GAS Travelair Mystery Ship [Archive]

Spad54

January 5th, 2013, 02:51

We're in the final stages of development and thought to share an album of screen shots of the project. Poncho Barnes' 613K is in development and that will conclude the aircraft modeling. A accompanying scenery package is in development that will revert Cleveland Hopkins International Airport to Cleveland Municipal Airport circa 1932 home of the National Air Races with the pylon race course of that day.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/614K_zpseebcfd6f.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/614Kqtr_zps585abc31.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/614Kaft_zps8636e45d.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/614Kfwd_zps46c8ee18.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/614Kcockpit_zps657a84c0.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/482N_zps1e34e957.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/482Nqtr_zps0237d47d.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/1313_zps9bd50f36.jpg

Roger

January 5th, 2013, 02:57

Great stuff Paul!:applause:

Spad54

January 5th, 2013, 02:59

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/1313aft_zps31dce381.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/1313fwd_zpsa3be1f2d.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/1313cockpit_zps2c04e243.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/1313qtr_zpsd42b2aaf.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/1313aqtr_zpsb7e77a40.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/400_zpsd9ad1654.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/400aft_zps2271ca61.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/400fwd_zpsa3915026.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/400cockpit_zps28099ebc.jpg

TeiscoDelRay

January 5th, 2013, 07:06

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/m1-2_zps36fa741b.jpg

TeiscoDelRay

January 5th, 2013, 07:07

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/m2-2.png

full

January 5th, 2013, 07:10

Can't wait to get my hands on these! Any chance of the inline engine version? B-)

Sent from my HUAWEI U8815 using Tapatalk 2

Spad54

January 5th, 2013, 07:58

Can't wait to get my hands on these! Any chance of the inline engine version? B-)

Sent from my HUAWEI U8815 using Tapatalk 2

It's a remote possibility. The Chevrolair inline on 613K was a real dog and was replaced almost immediately after it's first race. Plagued by cylinder over heating and oil leaks. Edward Phillips writes in his book "Mystery Ship" that the performance was "bland" in comparison with the Whirlwind powered sister ship 614K. Clarence Clark was assigned to pilot the ship and from the first flight had to cope with overheating engine and oil temperatures. He discovered that he had more power at two thirds throttle than full because of problems with the twin Stromberg carburetors. When interviewd by the author in 1981, Clark described the Chevrolair-powered Model R an an unpleasant airplane to fly. It is interesting to note that although Clark placed third place in Event number 9 at Cleveland in 1929, the aircraft's power plant was deemed so unreliable that 613K was crated up and shipped back to Wichita to await its fate and the D-6 engine was removed and returned to the Chevrolair company. Eventually 613K was fitted with the Wright Whirlwind J-6-7 engine and eventually purchased by Florence "Poncho" Barnes and the rest is history. Poncho's version is currently being modeled and will be part of the package. If we decide we have time to build the D-6 version we will endeavor to make it as unpleasant as Clark described. As it is these planes are a handful in the sim.

Bomber_12th

January 5th, 2013, 09:00

I can't wait to have these in FSX - I have always been a big fan of the various designs.

I collected a few photos off the internet and did some research into these a few years ago when I was thinking of possibly modeling them. It was interesting to me to find out that Pancho Barnes' original "Mystery Ship" still remains to this day in (very) private hands, in England (!), having been restored to immaculate condition: http://legendofpanchobarnes.com/film/production-journal/312-a-mystery-no-longer.html
(http://legendofpanchobarnes.com/film/production-journal/312-a-mystery-no-longer.html)
The intention has always been to have the aircraft flying when completed, though I don't know if that has yet occurred or if that is what the owners still want to do with the aircraft. For the amount of privacy surrounding the aircraft's owners, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the aircraft has been flying, just without anyone else knowing about it.

The well known Younkin (air show) family also has a "Mystery Ship", though it is a superb reproduction, rather than an original, that was built in the late 70's from the original blueprints by the Younkin family. Apart from still performing in air show routines today (the only "Mystery Ship" known to be flying at this time), this aircraft was also used in the movies "The Rocketeer" and "Pancho Barnes".

These were also extremely fast aircraft for their time (having even exceeded what the designers had thought they would achieve - something like 225-235 mph max speed, and a 170 mph cruise) - beating out the military designs for the same years.

The following two photos are of Matt Younkin in the Younkin family's "Mystery Ship" reproduction, taken at Oshkosh. It was because of this aircraft that the other Younkin family air show aircraft have been painted in red and black paint schemes.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Vickers%20Vimy/1347619932_c7e856ea54_b.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Vickers%20Vimy/2645407220_f4947d8c3f_b.jpg

Bomber_12th

January 5th, 2013, 09:07

I'm also quite excited about the Cleveland scenery! The Cleveland racing pylons was one of the details of the old Bill Lyons FS9 "Golden Wings" scenery that I used quite a bit, including doing some online 1930's racing.

fsxar177

January 5th, 2013, 09:15

This is some really great stuff Paul! Reminds me of the various models that we're done, way back in FS98! Always good times, and lots of memories.

Anxious to see more!

Joseph

greybeardgil

January 5th, 2013, 10:23

the Spirit of Bill Lyons is 1 characteristic we endeavor to include in all of our projects

Spad54

January 14th, 2013, 12:53

Just added Poncho's Wright J 6-7 powered ship. The last to be developed will be the Chevrolair Mystery Ship with the temperamental Chevrolair D6 inline inverted 6 cylinder boat anchor

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/613VC_zps08ffaa74.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/613K_front_zps8704c15a.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/613K_aft_qtr_zps7681e5c2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/613K_above_zps82cbd53c.jpg

mgchrist5

January 14th, 2013, 13:24

Sold! Can't wait for this one.... :applause:

Bomber_12th

January 14th, 2013, 14:11

Great work, guys!! I think the lines of the Pancho Barnes type example are my favorite of the Mystery Ship variations.

Spad54

January 14th, 2013, 15:37

Great work, guys!! I think the lines of the Pancho Barnes type example are my favorite of the Mystery Ship variations.

I agree with you it's my personal favorite flier of the set. Also notable for this release all, except for two gauges, the Cylinder head Temp and Fuel Flow in the 614 and 1313 aircraft, are 3D modeled. If I can develop code for those they will be modeled as well. First time for us and won't be the last.

fsxar177

January 14th, 2013, 16:27

GREAT NEWS SPAD! CHT is a big one!

Keep it up; anxiously awaiting..

Joseph

Spad54

January 26th, 2013, 10:44

Can't wait to get my hands on these! Any chance of the inline engine version? B-)

Sent from my HUAWEI U8815 using Tapatalk 2
It's been built and will be in the package

rayhere48

January 26th, 2013, 10:48

Please hurry I am really excited about the plane.

TeiscoDelRay

January 28th, 2013, 13:23

Chevy powered -

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/r2002_zps9e3891df.jpg

full

January 28th, 2013, 13:34

Very, very nice !

mgchrist5

January 29th, 2013, 09:03

Such a good-looking airplane...in reality and in the sim. Looking forward to its release!

TeiscoDelRay

March 11th, 2013, 15:41

Some shots of the racing scenery early in development.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/race3_zps2c837cdf.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/race1_zps24907fb7.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/race2_zps7af48d57.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/race4_zpsd558098d.jpg

The stands are empty now but soon will be filled with crowds of eager race fans.

Daveroo

March 11th, 2013, 18:07

awesome stuff

fsxar177

March 11th, 2013, 18:09

Ridiculous detail going on there guys!

mgchrist5

March 13th, 2013, 13:06

Awesome! Reminds me of the good ole Golden Wings scenery for FS2004...as intended, I'm sure!

Bomber_12th

March 13th, 2013, 13:26

What an awesome set of work - it will be very nice to have this scenery together with the aircraft! Really looking forward to it!

CWOJackson

March 13th, 2013, 13:42

I've always loved many of those breakout transition aircraft. Looking very nice.

Spad54

March 13th, 2013, 14:04

Awesome! Reminds me of the good ole Golden Wings scenery for FS2004...as intended, I'm sure!
That was our inspiration. We've always strived to keep Bill Lyons legacy alive wwith our models. Thanks for noticinf

MarkH

March 16th, 2013, 13:40

We're gonna need a bigger runway...

Lionheart

March 16th, 2013, 20:06

Some beauties! Nicely done, Spad.

Roger

March 17th, 2013, 15:01

Away from the races...

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/17/PcVby.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/17/tebMW.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/17/yzgN.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/17/eRkCo.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/17/0M4td.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/17/HmZUX.jpg

full

March 17th, 2013, 15:16

Now where did I put that credit card..... Nice work guys

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Roger

March 17th, 2013, 16:00

A bit of period sepia...

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/17/sThep.jpg

Spad54

March 17th, 2013, 16:13

A bit of period sepia...

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/17/sThep.jpg
You have a eye for screen shots Roger. I always admired that. Thanks for posting.

Bomber_12th

March 24th, 2013, 21:11

I thought it would be appropriate to post this here, hoping some others might enjoy seeing it as well. I don't know if it will remain up, but a very nice (rare) current photo of Pancho Barnes' Mystery Ship was just posted to this thread (post #20), it being in private ownership in England: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=123200

Spad54

March 30th, 2013, 15:35

We expect to release the package by the end of next week barring any final issues.

Roger

March 30th, 2013, 15:41

:engel016:

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/03/30/6nmBt.jpg

Bomber_12th

March 30th, 2013, 16:30

Great news, Spad! I'll be looking forward to the release.

Here's a Travel Air Type 'R' that is located in the UK. The aircraft's first flight was made last year, and it will begin flying again within the next couple of weeks. http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=123359

mgchrist5

March 30th, 2013, 22:15

We expect to release the package by the end of next week barring any final issues. :jump: Fantastic! Looking forward to burning past some pylons at Cleveland!

TeiscoDelRay

April 1st, 2013, 08:00

TeiscoDelRay

April 1st, 2013, 14:17

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/title1aaa_zps60151efb.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/still1ebendixpylon_zpsf026b712.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/still1dstandsfromlongside_zps299f7a59.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/still1cstandsfrontside_zps562c13ad.jpg

CurlSnout

April 1st, 2013, 20:30

http://people.oregonstate.edu/~bradforc/fsx/racingtitle.jpg

I love this graphic. It's been a long time since I anticipated the release of a new package for FSX as much as I have/am this one. I'm ready, and (patiently) waiting. - cs

TeiscoDelRay

April 2nd, 2013, 08:13

Thanks, I did make a mistake on the graphic, it should say 5 racers, not six. There are five different versions or models and 7 liveries. I can't seem to edit my post here so cannot change it on the first post but will show it here.

The graphic is the opening title to the promo movie I am doing and will feature a short race from various planes and angles. For anyone that loves classic planes and classic racing this package will be a dream come true. For the video I have set up a fs recorder race of several planes and I have been around the pylons many times now and it is really a GAS (no pun intended, well, maybe a little)

New version of graphic
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/racingtitle_zpsc47034fd.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/r6_zps4a373ae7.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/r7_zpsa438e7b5.jpg

mgchrist5

April 2nd, 2013, 13:51

Oh now you're just torturing us! Looks gorgeous. I really love the crowds in the grandstands. Makes me wish I had a time machine to see the races in person.

TeiscoDelRay

April 6th, 2013, 08:04

Very close to release now so here is a little promo video I did that shows what it's all about, HD 1080 available if you want the big picture.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lJO5wR3RlfQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>

flaviossa

April 6th, 2013, 09:00

Very nice! This one is on the list!

Roger

April 6th, 2013, 09:02

Very nice video!:applause:

TeiscoDelRay

April 6th, 2013, 09:41

Thanks Roger!

10lrrp

April 6th, 2013, 11:57

Release the Beast !!!!! Please...

big-mike

April 6th, 2013, 12:11

Very nice vid,Paul.
It`s on my wishlist.
Michael

mgchrist5

April 7th, 2013, 04:35

Great video!

Spad54

April 7th, 2013, 11:16

Release the Beast !!!!! Please...

You asked for it............you got it! Because of the caring and support the SOH community has shown us over the years, and with this project in particular, the team and I want to say thanks by making the package available exclusively to members of SOH at a discount of 20% off retail. This is not on our web page and won't be in vendors shops until tomorrow at the earliest. This offer will remain active for 24 hours, at which time the link will expire and this post deleted.

(Link expired)

Thanks SOH!!!

Bomber_12th

April 7th, 2013, 11:24

Purchased and now downloading.

Thank you Spad and the whole team at Golden Age Simulations for the very kind gesture and for building these rare, historic, and stylish planes that I love. Can't wait to take that first flight around the Cleveland course!

mgchrist5

April 7th, 2013, 11:45

I want to say thanks by making the package available exclusively to members of SOH at a discount of 20% off retail. What an incredibly generous gesture! I just purchased now. Thanks to Spad & co. for what I'm sure is another fine creation.

Roger

April 7th, 2013, 11:46

Great offer Paul! Thanks very much on behalf of the membership:ernae:

full

April 7th, 2013, 11:48

Done ! Thanks everyone at GAS :)

flaviossa

April 7th, 2013, 12:00

Bought it! Downloading now .... :salute:
Thanks for the nice deal Spad and GAS Team!

big-mike

April 7th, 2013, 12:05

Thank you very much,Paul.
A really generous gesture----much appreciated.
Michael

flaviossa

April 7th, 2013, 12:54

TARPSBird

April 7th, 2013, 12:54

I'm a sucker for planes with wheel pants, flashy paint and big engine cowlings! :icon_lol: Thanks to Spad and the crew at GAS for the generous discount offer, gonna get the package right now.

flaviossa

April 7th, 2013, 13:05

Found that this lines:
gauge00=TAMS!COMM1, 122,120,180,100
gauge01=TAMS!COMM2, 318,121,180,100

Are missing from the Texaco 13

TeiscoDelRay

April 7th, 2013, 13:12

For the missing radio stack go into your 1313 panel folder and open the panel config. Scroll down to the radio stack section and add these lines under the last text in that section:

gauge00=TAMS!COMM1, 122,120,180,100
gauge01=TAMS!COMM2, 318,121,180,100

Spad54

April 7th, 2013, 13:13

Found that this lines:
gauge00=TAMS!COMM1, 122,120,180,100
gauge01=TAMS!COMM2, 318,121,180,100

Are missing from the Texaco 13
Thanks for picking that up odd it was never found in the month of testing. I'll fix that straight away. Thanks agin

flaviossa

April 7th, 2013, 13:31

Any tip to start the engines is welcome too ;) Tried already:
- Batt on
- Fuel tank selected
- Fuel open
- Magnetos both
- prime
- Start

Start button stays up for 2 seconds, go down and nothing more happens.
Tried ctrl+e too without sucess. I even tried to push the prop hehehehehehe ;) ;)

bentwing

April 7th, 2013, 13:32

Thank you! An excellent package!:applause:

Spad54

April 7th, 2013, 13:33

Hello Mr. Spad,
I think i need some help! Texaco no.13 is not showing radio stack:
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/04/07/LsxyC.jpg

Travel Air Misteruy Ship is ok:
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2013/04/07/2Sot.jpg

Also, i can´t start any plane ;) Open fuel valve, turn on batery, prime, 80% fuel onboard, press start and nothing.
Saw the manual for a checklist but can´t find one. Tried ctrl+e too but no luck. Any help?

The mixture control is below the switch marked starter. From what I see in the screen shot you have it full lean rotate it so the handle is at the 8 o'clock position. That should do it. Also, I see in your screen shot some object that don't belong in the race scenery. Rebooting the sim should get rid of those.

Spad54

April 7th, 2013, 13:36

flaviossa

April 7th, 2013, 13:43

Thanks! I was rebooting my machine. Will try again.
Also i suspect that my opus camera configuration is causing this, as the camera appears to be too far to tha back, sinking in the pilot seat. This situation turn pushing buttons impossible. I´ll try again with opus turned off. Thanks :salute:

Bomber_12th

April 7th, 2013, 13:54

Beautiful and fun-handling aircraft.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/mystery_ship_1_zps896e99cf.jpg:original

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/mystery_ship_2_zps647c38f9.jpg:original

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/mystery_ship_3_zpsf37c6a1d.jpg:original

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/mystery_ship_4_zpsa5fd0a42.jpg:original

Dain Arns

April 7th, 2013, 14:21

Thank you GAS Team for another wonderful Golden Age aircraft and such a generous discount offer to SOH members. :applause:
Looking forward to many hours of laps around Cleveland.

Additionally, thank you for including Pancho Barnes ship, I think she'd have gotten a kick out of it.

CurlSnout

April 7th, 2013, 15:56

A new, No. 1, all-time, top-favorite. Thanks, GAS. Well done!

http://people.oregonstate.edu/~bradforc/fsx/TAMS_101.jpg

http://people.oregonstate.edu/~bradforc/fsx/TAMS_296.jpg

cs

greybeardgil

April 7th, 2013, 16:31

looks like a few members are having a bit of fun tonight....remember back in those days if you cut a pylon you had to back and recircle them...thanks and have great time playing air racer

modelr

April 7th, 2013, 17:59

Weeooo, almost missed this one. Thanks very much, Paul. Downloading now. Hope to fly her soon. :applause:

glennc

April 7th, 2013, 21:19

I couldn't resist. Purchase is done. Flying will have to wait until tomorrow, well I guess, tonight. Bill, thanks for the very generous discount. I'm really looking forward to cutting some pylons. :salute:

Glenn

PutPut

April 7th, 2013, 21:25

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:jump::jump:

Best, Paul

84418

flaviossa

April 8th, 2013, 03:55

Amazing package ... the scenery, the planes! :applause:
I had some issues in the beginning, but figured out that all the problems were my fault. None to do with the package.
I´d like to register here the amazing support that Spad gave to me. Thanks my friend!

And now, a question if some of you guys can help:
Is there a way to create a "mission" with a race in the scenery? Something like the race with the default P51 of accell package? Not a flight created with FS-Recorder, but a real race mission. I know a little about the mission files, but before starting researching this, i´d like to know if it´s possible.

Thanks!

Spad54

April 8th, 2013, 05:20

I've updated the package to correct a bug with the uninstaller and correct the 1313 panel entry. The current uninstaller does not recognize the user as having rights to uninstall the program. It is of no risk to the users system and would require that the package components be removed manually. If anyone who purchased the package before 0700 EDT today wishes the update re-download the package from the link provided you upon purchase and run the installer again. You can redirect the installer to a temp file. No need to reinstall the entire package. This will place a functioning installer in your control panel. The panel config fix for 1313 was done immediately after release so most of you will have that in place. PM me directly with concerns if needs be.

TeiscoDelRay

April 8th, 2013, 07:04

Is anyone up for some online racing? I would like to get a few guys together for a race at a time when it would be possible. I really never flew FSX online so this would be all new to me. If you want to race I am interested in the early, shorter course so practice going round it a few times to figure out the pylon layout.

The other Paul,
Golden Age Simulations

TeiscoDelRay

April 8th, 2013, 07:08

Spad54

April 8th, 2013, 13:17

You asked for it............you got it! Because of the caring and support the SOH community has shown us over the years, and with this project in particular, the team and I want to say thanks by making the package available exclusively to members of SOH at a discount of 20% off retail. This is not on our web page and won't be in vendors shops until tomorrow at the earliest. This offer will remain active for 24 hours, at which time the link will expire and this post deleted.

http://www.payloadz.com/go/sip?id=2113842

Thanks SOH!!!

The discount period has expired as the products are now up on the vendor sites. The link however remains active as I find that I am unable to edit this post. No worries. I hope folks are having fun

Daveroo

April 8th, 2013, 14:05

well thats what i get for not payin attention.....tis ok though....i had a HUGE directv bill this month

Spad54

April 8th, 2013, 14:26

well thats what i get for not payin attention.....tis ok though....i had a HUGE directv bill this month

check your pm

big-mike

April 9th, 2013, 06:44

[QUOTE=CurlSnout;796533]A new, No. 1, all-time, top-favorite. Thanks, GAS. Well done!

Now i understand this.
Have today the time to fly my new toy and it is incredible!
Outstanding work,gentlemen.
Many,many thanks to both Paul`s and the GAS team.:applause:
Michael

TeiscoDelRay

April 9th, 2013, 07:26

For those that missed the release sale PC Aviator has 10 percent off everything today.

fsxar177

April 9th, 2013, 08:02

This release looks great!

I'm going to pick this up this week, and give them a try!

Anyone interested in the online racing aspect of it, hit us up at www.fsxairsports.com, and post in the forums... We'll get some casual racing going!

Joseph

TeiscoDelRay

April 9th, 2013, 08:29

I am very interested in racing these planes online so I just signed up at your site to see if we can get something going.

mgchrist5

April 9th, 2013, 19:56

I had a chance to fiddle around with this package quite a bit today. What a fantastic setup! I can't think of a better money/value ratio in FS. Seriously....where else can you get 5 planes, 7 liveries, and scenery for less than $25 USD nowadays?? It's also rather convenient that Phenick Field (as bundled with the GAS Ryan pack) is only a relatively short hop away from Cleveland, as included in this Travelair pack. There seems to be a rather consistent favor towards Ohio among the Golden Age Sim team! :icon_lol: Maybe a vintage Waco factory in Troy, OH next? :mixedsmi: As long as the GAS team keeps making 'em, I'll keep buying 'em. :applause:

greybeardgil

April 10th, 2013, 05:16

Appreciate The Kind words,and the loyal support!!....We'll keep making them,however there are only about 178 more to go so?......I did not notice till you just mentioned Phenick being handily close by....Hmmm may have to fly out of there with a New Stinson Gullwing and advertise Gulf Oil Products while I chew the fat with Doug Davis Or Jimmy Or...Have fun with the New Package and thanks again!!...Best Gil