Beginning a flight on a carrier?

[Navy Chief]

N332DW uploaded a exceptional WW2 carrier; which brings me to ask about starting flights on carriers. It used to be a snap in FS9, as there were/are more than one package to do so.

Recently, I downloaded this offering, found on AVSIM: <TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width="100%" align=center bgColor=#aaccee border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left colSpan=2>Category: Flight Simulator X - Scenery (http://library.avsim.net/index.php?CatID=fsxscen) </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=*>Carrier CVN75_V2 North Sea </TD><TD noWrap align=right><!-- http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/Link.png (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/esearch.php?DLID=132159) -->http://library.avsim.net/images/ZipDive.png (http://library.avsim.net/zipdiver.php?DLID=132159) http://library.avsim.net/images/Download.png (http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=132159) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


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This is a update version of my scenery DL_CVN75.zip. Changes in Version 2 of the cenery: 1.The Carrier model is now a private object and no longer part of the standard FSX object lib.. This allows the installation and registration in FSX scenery setting to be done like any other addon objects. The registration of the scenery in FSX below " Global, Generic & Vehicle Libraries" is no longer required !!!! 2.Version 2 has more stuff on deck of the carrier. 3.The Number 75 is more accurate according to the real carrier. 4.The ILS frequencies ( e.g. GS) is more accurat adjusted in relation to the cable zone. Scenery: Carrier Group North sea. Close to the Island of Sylt The Scenery includes: - The USS Carrier Harry Truman, CVN 75 with full function as an Airport with ILS approach capability. F18-Fighters and a Navy-Heli on the Carrier. - 2 flying Helicopters over the Carrier. - 4 Navy-Destroyers escorting the Carrier. In addition to the Carrier-Group: - A Oilrig about 30 nm northwest from the Carrier. The Heli-Pat is a landable Platform !! - 2 moving Destroyer based on a "Boats Traffic Plan" which are moving around the group according to the time schedule in the plan.


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Maybe I did not understand how to install/use this carrier, but I thought I could begin a flight on it. However, when I select it, my aircraft shows on the screen, flying away from it.

Is there a way to begin a flight on that carrier, or better yet, one of the Acceleration carriers, without doing so in a mission?

Thanks.

NC

[Boomer]

Hi NC,

Just land on the carrier & save the flight.

It will be there when you "load flight".

[Boomer]

Oh, BTW.

It wont work if you populated the CV via an external app (like AICarriers). If its a scenery object your good to go.

[PRB]

That’s an excellent question, NC. In FS9, carriers were airports, and in the airports database. As such you could save and start a flight from them. But as scenery objects, they couldn’t move… So now we have FSX with moving carriers, which is totally awesome, but the ships are AI objects, so they can’t have NAV aids, and you can’t save a flight to them. N332DW just uploaded his CV-6 (here at the SOH) as a scenery object. You could probably setup an AFCAD for it, and start a flight from it, but it would essentially be an “FS9 carrier” and wouldn’t move.

[mjrhealth]

Most of the carriers start near airports. So what you do is find out what time they leave, you start at the nearest airport in a chopper, and fly to and land on the carrier, shut down to coald and dark wait a few minutes then select the plane you want. Good idea to land right at the back of the flight deck as some planes when they spawn tend to shoot forward even when cold and dark so be ready to hold the brakes on.

[Navy Chief]

Thanks all!

NC

[GypsyBaron]

Some time back posted in a thread here a method for
locating and also starting from the deck of a moving CV
in FSX. Alas, the forum problems seem to have eliminated
that post as I see none of my posts here prior to Nov. 9, 2008 :(

Paul

[IanP]

What you can do is create a flight with a carrier in it and add the carrier to the flight's .flt file as a scenery object. I've never done it, but I know it can be done.

I'll see if it some point over the weekend I can play with that, but I really do have a lot on at the moment and the pile keeps getting deeper. :(

Ian P.

[Navy Chief]

Ok, I spent hours trying to figure this out last night, and couldn't do it. What I want to do is be able to save a flight on a Acceleration carrier, vs a static one. I have tried locating one, but no luck so far. It is easy enough to start a mission, but one option NOT available in missions, is the ability to play back a video of the flight.

I have yet to read any post where someone has been able to solve this!

NC

[Boomer]

Chief,

If you have the original AI Carriers installed I believe it puts a moving one that sails from San Diego to Catalina & back. Find that one & try the method I suggested.

[Navy Chief]

will do, Boomer. Thanks. Pete

[Navy Chief]

Chief,

If you have the original AI Carriers installed I believe it puts a moving one that sails from San Diego to Catalina & back. Find that one & try the method I suggested.

I just reread your post Boomer. I have the updated AICarriers installed; version 2. Does that matter?

Pete

[GypsyBaron]

will do, Boomer. Thanks. Pete

Here is how you can put yourself on the deck of a moving CVN
in FSX Acelleration with aicarriers2 installed or with ships placed
using Lamont Clark's AI Boat Utility.

You must have the SDK Traffic Toolbox installed!

Get your aircraft to the nearest airport to the desired carrier.
Pause the sim once you are on the ramp or runway, stopped
.
Open the Explorer window and UN-check the "Aircraft only" box.
Look down the list for the "veh_car01_high_detail_sm" entries.

Highlight a CV entry. Right-click on the entry and select
"Set Position...".
You then see the current Lat/Lon and heading of the carrier.
Copy and paste the lat/lon/hdg values to a temporary text file with notepad.

Next,locate your aircraft in the Explorer list and right-click on your aircraft.
Select "Set Position..." and then simply copy and paste
the lat/lon/hdg data from the text file into the appropriate
boxes and set the ALT to 67.2'.

Click "OK" and you should find yourself on deck.

Un-pause the sim and taxi to the catapult! ( SEE EDIT BELOW )

Another method I have used when inflight...
Pause the sim and open the FSX "Map".
Move your aircraft icon to the lat/lon of the CV...
be sure to set the correct heading and altitude and
speed. The ALT should be set to 67.2' for own aircraft. Set speed to "0" or 25kts if CV is moving.

This is less precise than my first method.

EDIT - IMPORTANT!!!

After getting the aircraft on the CVN deck and BEFORE exiting PAUSE mode,
you need to enter SLEW mode ( Y key ).

Note: if your setup is like mine and slew mode sends you flying in
some direction at high speed, then go to the "Controls" menu and temporarily
un-check the "Enable Controler(s)" box.

When in SLEW mode, now UN-PAUSE the sim. You should hopefully remain on the deck.
Now you can exit SLEW mode ( re-enable controllers if necessary )

For some reason that only ACES knows, using the "Set position" for this method causes
the aircraft to immediately takeoff at 170 kts or so if you do not use the above SLEW mode
entry procedure first.

If the carrier you move to is one that has been programmed using the AI Boat Utility
( on a scheduled, defined route ) then you can SAVE the flight once on deck and then
load it again in the future. be SURE to enter PAUSE before saving the flight and when
you re-load it, go through the "enter SLEW, un-pause, exit SLEW" procedure.

Paul
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[Navy Chief]

Thanks Paul, for the detailed explanation, which I plan to give a try.

Now, will I be able to save the flight, so I won't have to go through the process again?

Thanks.

Pete

[GypsyBaron]

Thanks Paul, for the detailed explanation, which I plan to give a try.

Now, will I be able to save the flight, so I won't have to go through the process again?

Thanks.

Pete

OK..I'm having a problem with this procedure now. It USED to work OK
for me but now, when I un-Pause, FSX puts the user aircraft
in flight at 180-200 kts! NOT good!!

I'm experimenting now to see what the problem or solution is.

EDIT: Found a solution...see the edit to the procedure above...it entails entering
SLEW mode briefly.

Paul

[EgoR64]

:wavey:

Hi Gypsy,

Good technic, may have to try this as well, When in Slew mode be sure to end it by pressing the fire button on your joystick(for me anyways), this will stabilize it and level it, otherwise you will get the shot out of the Cannon effect(as I call it) when you go to un-pause.

Cheers !!

[GypsyBaron]

:wavey:

Hi Gypsy,

Good technic, may have to try this as well, When in Slew mode be sure to end it by pressing the fire button on your joystick(for me anyways), this will stabilize it and level it, otherwise you will get the shot out of the Cannon effect(as I call it) when you go to un-pause.

Cheers !!

Slew Mode entry is the KEY to keeping the aircraft from
taking off immediately. I will append my procedure above to:

After placing your aircraft on deck in PAUSE mode,
enter SLEW mode ("Y" key ).
If your setup is like mine and slew mode shoots you off
in some direction at high speed then first go to the "Controls"
menu and un-check "Enable Controler(s).
Un-PAUSE in SLEW mode then enter normal mode again.
Re-enable controllers if necessary.

This should leave you sitting on the deck with IAS indicating
the wind over the deck at the moment.

Paul

[GypsyBaron]

Thanks Paul, for the detailed explanation, which I plan to give a try.

Now, will I be able to save the flight, so I won't have to go through the process again?

Thanks.

Pete


Hi Chief...I just checked this and yes, if you SAVE the flight in PAUSE and upon loading it again, enter SLEW
mode briefly, UN-PAUSE, then exit SLEW mode, you should
be on deck ready to taxi to the cats.

I checked this using one of my carrier fleets that are on
routes created with the AI Boat Utility.

I need to check and see if the same is possible with the
carriers 'created' inflight using the aicarriers2 utility. EDIT: NO...it is
not possible to save a flight and return if the carrier was generated
using the aicarriers2 menu since these totally disappear when you
exit FSX. The method WILL work for getting onto the deck of those
carriers during the current flight.

See my EDIT to the procedure above.

Paul

[Navy Chief]

FS9, in this case, sure was easier to start on carriers! Of course they were'nt moving though!!

thanks.

Pete

Will try this stuff tomorrow, when I am more awake!

[codeseven]

Here is how you can put yourself on the deck of a moving CVN
in FSX Acelleration with aicarriers2 installed or with ships placed
using Lamont Clark's AI Boat Utility.

You must have the SDK Traffic Toolbox installed!

Get your aircraft to the nearest airport to the desired carrier.
Pause the sim once you are on the ramp or runway, stopped
.
Open the Explorer window and UN-check the "Aircraft only" box.
Look down the list for the "veh_car01_high_detail_sm" entries.

Highlight a CV entry. Right-click on the entry and select
"Set Position...".
You then see the current Lat/Lon and heading of the carrier.
Copy and paste the lat/lon/hdg values to a temporary text file with notepad.

Next,locate your aircraft in the Explorer list and right-click on your aircraft.
Select "Set Position..." and then simply copy and paste
the lat/lon/hdg data from the text file into the appropriate
boxes and set the ALT to 67.2'.

Click "OK" and you should find yourself on deck.

Un-pause the sim and taxi to the catapult! ( SEE EDIT BELOW )

Another method I have used when inflight...
Pause the sim and open the FSX "Map".
Move your aircraft icon to the lat/lon of the CV...
be sure to set the correct heading and altitude and
speed. The ALT should be set to 67.2' for own aircraft. Set speed to "0" or 25kts if CV is moving.

This is less precise than my first method.

EDIT - IMPORTANT!!!

After getting the aircraft on the CVN deck and BEFORE exiting PAUSE mode,
you need to enter SLEW mode ( Y key ).

Note: if your setup is like mine and slew mode sends you flying in
some direction at high speed, then go to the "Controls" menu and temporarily
un-check the "Enable Controler(s)" box.

When in SLEW mode, now UN-PAUSE the sim. You should hopefully remain on the deck.
Now you can exit SLEW mode ( re-enable controllers if necessary )

For some reason that only ACES knows, using the "Set position" for this method causes
the aircraft to immediately takeoff at 170 kts or so if you do not use the above SLEW mode
entry procedure first.

If the carrier you move to is one that has been programmed using the AI Boat Utility
( on a scheduled, defined route ) then you can SAVE the flight once on deck and then
load it again in the future. be SURE to enter PAUSE before saving the flight and when
you re-load it, go through the "enter SLEW, un-pause, exit SLEW" procedure.

Paul
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Hi GypsyBaron,

I was just looking over your excellent carrier tutorial. You mentioned that you must have the 'SDK Traffic Toolbox installed!'. I have the 'Gold Edition' installed. Which disc or discs do I install the SDK from? Thanks

[GypsyBaron]

Hi GypsyBaron,

I was just looking over your excellent carrier tutorial. You mentioned that you must have the 'SDK Traffic Toolbox installed!'. I have the 'Gold Edition' installed. Which disc or discs do I install the SDK from? Thanks

It's been too long since I did my install so I really don't remember. Also, I started with the "Deluxe" version and
then did the update to SP-1. Then I purchased Acelleration and that was a download along with a download
for the SDK.

I'm not familiar with the "Gold" edition setup or DVD's.
Someone here should be able to answer your question.

Paul

[codeseven]

It's been too long since I did my install so I really don't remember. Also, I started with the "Deluxe" version and
then did the update to SP-1. Then I purchased Acelleration and that was a download along with a download
for the SDK.

I'm not familiar with the "Gold" edition setup or DVD's.
Someone here should be able to answer your question.

Paul

No problem, thanks Paul.


Codeseven

[N332DW]

can't find an acceleration AI Carrier?

start a flight at KNTU - NAS Oceana , on runway 5 R , on ANY friday at 4:34 pm - you'll be pointed right at the acceleration carrier about a mile offshore, she's headed south for Wilmington NC at 25 knots