FSX Native Gipsy Moth [Archive]

Spad54

August 24th, 2012, 15:35

We're getting closer to letting you folks have her. This is the Gipsy and we're doing the Cirrus Moth as well. Have a peek

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GAAOR5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GAAOR4.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GAAOR3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GAAOR2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GAAOR1.jpg

A paint kit will be included

Best to all Peace Out

mike_cyul

August 24th, 2012, 16:11

One of my all-time favourite aircraft. :ernae:

Mike

Roger

August 24th, 2012, 16:27

DeHavilland low 'n' slow; what could be better:engel016:

Bomber_12th

August 24th, 2012, 17:16

Superb! I love the lines of the early Moths.

These are two of my favorite restored examples of the Gypsy Moth, absolutely gorgeous aircraft and very well maintained.

G-AANL

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/gaanl.jpg

And NX60MZ, which is located in California.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/0272451.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/0252738.jpg

Spad54

August 24th, 2012, 17:55

A geeze now I have to model the pocket watch! :) I'll be doing the yellow and black Out of Africa livery as well

Superb! I love the lines of the early Moths.

These are two of my favorite restored examples of the Gypsy Moth, absolutely gorgeous aircraft and very well maintained.

G-AANL

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/gaanl.jpg

And NX60MZ, which is located in California.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/0272451.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/0252738.jpg

TuFun

August 24th, 2012, 19:03

Hey John, that black & orange is a real beauty!!! May paint a Stearman these colors... love the design! -TF

pilottj

August 24th, 2012, 19:21

ThinkingManNeil

August 24th, 2012, 21:39

Gorgeous looking airplane you've got in the works, there...

N.

Spad54

August 25th, 2012, 09:51

That looks great Paul!:mixedsmi:

Looking foward to your Out of Africa scheme.:salute::icon29: Such beautiful flying scenes in that movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j38t2lDi4GU

I did this Out of Africa based scheme for Ant's Tiger Moth.
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshots/images/515GAAMYafrica.jpg

Cheers
TJ

Here you go TJ

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GAAMY3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GAAMY2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GAAMY1.jpg

Barnes

August 25th, 2012, 10:09

Excellent

Ferry_vO

August 25th, 2012, 10:10

huub vink

August 25th, 2012, 10:21

Beautiful work Paul!

thanks,
Huub

Spad54

August 25th, 2012, 10:55

Great detail picture and another logo! I grabbed that for the next paint. Thanks!

heywooood

August 25th, 2012, 17:21

big thanks to Spad and GAS for working on a conversion to FSX of this excellent Moth - looking forward to it

Ian Warren

August 28th, 2012, 15:31

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Chris Sykes

August 28th, 2012, 23:57

Looking GOOD!

DeHavilland low 'n' slow; what could be better:engel016:

Hmmm Hehavilland low n fast Mosquito springs to mind!!!

expat

August 29th, 2012, 02:14

What is the difference between the Gypsy and Tiger Moths?

Dimus

August 29th, 2012, 03:17

I think the Tiger was a development of the series intended for the need of the RAF for a basic trainer. It had swept wings (not for aerodynamic reasons but I believe for CG reasons) and the Gipsy motor was inverted.

ThinkingManNeil

August 29th, 2012, 07:08

What is the difference between the Gypsy and Tiger Moths?
The wings on the Tiger Moth are swept back and the center section containing the fuel tank in the upper wing is moved forward. The reason for this is that the Royal Air Force found that the original DH.60 Moth was unacceptable as a training aircraft due to the fact a student pilot sitting in the front pit could not easily evacuate the aircraft if wearing a parachute and changing the wing set-up corrected this. Moving the center section of the upper wing forward necessitated sweeping the wing panels back to correct for a change in the center of gravity. Also, the Gypsy Major engine in the Tiggy was inverted whereas the 60's was in an upright configuration. I think there were also some changes to the landing gear (I know that the gear on Canadian-built Tigers are swept forward more than those on their British cousins)

N.

ThinkingManNeil

August 29th, 2012, 07:23

Yes, lovely aircraft! There's a DH.60G flying around here too:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/melbourne%20fly%20in/Img_4747.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Vroege_Vogels/IMG_3241_2_3_tonemapped.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Vroege_Vogels/IMG_9988.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Vroege_Vogels/IMG_9991.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Vroege_Vogels/IMG_9992.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Vroege_Vogels/IMG_0062.jpg

Built in 1929 by DH Australia as serial A7/44, original registry VH-AFN, later served with several RAAF squadrons. After service in the RAAF the aircraft came in the hands of an Australian club, then moved to the USA and later ended up in the Netherlands. Currently flies with registration N168G.

There was an article in an issue of National Geographic several years ago about the annual EAA Oshkosh fly-in that had a photo of either a DH.60 Moth or a Pietenpol Air Camper with a windyvane airspeed gauge that was simply marked off in three colourful segments: yellow with the words "Too Slow!!" at the front of the gauge, green in the middle for "Just Right!", and red towards the rear for "Too Damn Fast!!!" :))

N.

N.

TeiscoDelRay

August 30th, 2012, 15:43

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/m1a.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/m2a.jpg

Bomber_12th

August 30th, 2012, 16:31

It's looking superb, Spad and TeiscoDelRay! I really love the elegant lines of the DH.60 series.

Speaking of DH.60 Moths, here is one that was built to go a bit faster than the others, and is quite historic. The aircraft, registered as G-AAXG, was built for speed, and competed in the 1930 King's Cup Race, flown by Arthur Butler, finishing in second place. The aircraft attained a top speed of 129 mph. The aircraft was traded to French aviator Eduard Bret, who briefly had the aircraft registered as F-AJZB, before the aircraft was then sold to Lt. Holm R. A. Kidston, Royal Navy, who exported the aircraft to New Zealand in 1935, where it was registerred as ZK-AEJ. The aircraft remained in New Zealand, eventually owned by Gordon Reader for a time, and then Gerald Grocott. This was until around 2008/2009, when the aircraft was purchased by Simon Kidston, son of the former owner Lt. Holm R. A. Kidston, and the aircraft was brought back to England and re-registered as G-AAXG once again.

A very handsome aircraft:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/J26%20Mustang/51057_1169953552.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/J26%20Mustang/24432.jpg

Back in England with its original registration once again:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/J26%20Mustang/henry007.jpg

heywooood

August 30th, 2012, 17:00

man there are a lot of great planes coming off the 3PD assembly line (I know this is an upgrade of an existing FS9 plane) what with the GAS Ryan, Vertigo N2S, the Harriers and the F4 and the Waco and all the Scenery from ORBX et al

this is feeling like the (beginning of?) the glory days of FSX

Naki

August 30th, 2012, 18:00

Another one to look forward to ....any chance of a ZK-ADT scheme? (my Dads building a 1/5th RC model of it with folding wings etc)..it is a bit of a recluse so not many photos of it....although that may change now the ownership has changed

http://gallery.aerohub.co.nz/main.php?g2_itemId=26626

Pity AEJ didnt stay in NZ..at least it is now with an appropriate UK owner

Ferry_vO

August 30th, 2012, 20:17

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/m1a.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/Warbirds_photos/m2a.jpg

Sweeeeeeeet! :applause:

Spad54

August 31st, 2012, 03:44

Just by way of an update. The conversion of the visual model is nearly done. We've added the 1927 Cirrus Moth and added a seaplane version. The flight dynamics are under revision and that will take another week or so. I'll get some updated pictures loaded later.

heywooood

August 31st, 2012, 17:45

Daube

September 1st, 2012, 02:34

Looks like a fantastic model !! :icon_eek:
I love these low and slow planes, you just can't have too many of these in the hangar :icon_lol:

One remark though: when comparing your model/repaints with the various real pictures posted in the topic, it seems to me that your model lacks a little bit of shine... or reflectivity. Is it due to the material definition, or can this be modified from a repaint to another ?

Spad54

September 2nd, 2012, 02:54

[QUOTE=Daube;743137]Looks like a fantastic model !! :icon_eek:
I love these low and slow planes, you just can't have too many of these in the hangar :icon_lol:

One remark though: when comparing your model/repaints with the various real pictures posted in the topic, it seems to me that your model lacks a little bit of shine... or reflectivity. Is it due to the material definition, or can this be modified from a repaint to another ?[/QUOTE

There are two types of shine: Dynamic which is programed in and has to do with how the model is highlighted as it moves in the simulator relative to the light source and shine which is modulated by the alpha channel in the texture bitmap. Alpha can be adjusted by user by editing that channel in a program like DXTBmp, dynamic shine can not.

lucas81

September 2nd, 2012, 03:33

Actually, the alpha on the main texture works as a reflection and if you add a specular texture to the material you can set a color and the strenght (alpha) of the shine.

Lucas

TeiscoDelRay

September 2nd, 2012, 07:35

One thing to remember is that this plane is mostly fabric with some metal in the engine cowling and other areas. When I paint these type of planes I try to keep the gloss or shine low on the fabric areas and add a bit of gloss to the metal areas. In my opinion a fabric plane that is too shiny or glossy looks a bit toy like in FSX, unless that plane is a show plane kept in a hangar and out of the elements. The orange and tan plane we decided to make it look more like a working plane with more wear and weathered look so that is why is lacks a polished waxed finish.

Also FSX handles gloss, reflection and shine is different ways on different computers with different video cards, not to mention different monitors with all sorts of settings. So no one will see this plane in exactly the same way and in FSX it can change from moment to moment with the lighting.

Looks like a fantastic model !! :icon_eek:
I love these low and slow planes, you just can't have too many of these in the hangar :icon_lol:

One remark though: when comparing your model/repaints with the various real pictures posted in the topic, it seems to me that your model lacks a little bit of shine... or reflectivity. Is it due to the material definition, or can this be modified from a repaint to another ?

OleBoy

September 2nd, 2012, 08:05

TeiscoDelRay, you're doing some great work. All the repainting going on, on several aircraft has recently drawn my interest.
That and I'll have more time as summer passes. Hopefully I haven't forgotten how to use my brushes. :icon_lol:

Spad54

September 3rd, 2012, 13:52

The re-modeling of the aircraft is complete. There are four variants. The Gipsy and Cirrus land planes and the Cirrus seaplane and the Gipsy Amphibian. We discovered that there were two amphibians built in 1929 and 1930 respectively by the by Short Brothers (of flying boat fame)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/Gipsyamphib-1.jpg

The Cirrus
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/GBELV.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/CirrusVCcentered.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/CirrusVCexterior.jpg

Cirrus Seaplane
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/Alice.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/Alice2.jpg

Gipsy VC
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/VCexterior-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/VCCenter-1.jpg

Gipsy Amphibian
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/gipsyamphibAADV.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/Spad54/gipsyamphib.jpg

heywooood

September 3rd, 2012, 16:15

[QUOTE=Spad54;743900]The re-modeling of the aircraft is complete. There are four variants. The Gipsy and Cirrus land planes and the Cirrus seaplane and the Gipsy Amphibian. We discovered that there were two amphibians built in 1929 and 1930 respectively by the by Short Brothers (of flying boat fame)QUOTE]

all the work you guys are putting into this is going to (almost) make me feel guilty about getting it for free....:kilroy:

its looking real fine in all variants - great work you have done thus far

Roger

September 3rd, 2012, 16:19

Can't wait to get my hands on this:applause:

Bomber_12th

September 3rd, 2012, 16:36

Thank you for sharing these latest screenshots, Spad! Brilliant work (I love the look of them all!), and I share the same sentiments as Roger and Heywood above. ; )

With the number of variants, and sure to be more eventual repaints in due time, there should be good call for a virtual DH Moth gathering of sorts!

Spad54

September 4th, 2012, 08:56

We're running up against a problem with the wing fold function on systems that use FSX Accelerated. Neither the keyboard command nor VC switch will trigger the ani
animation. This is not an issue with "unaccelerated" FSX. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks

pilottj

September 4th, 2012, 09:55

Hmm, Mathias has a wing fold function on his CH BF-108 that is triggered by the default wing fold command. It works fine in Accel. You might ask him about it.

Good luck,
:icon29:

CHeers
TJ

full

September 4th, 2012, 10:15

I'm willing to test the wing fold out on the Moth ;)

Roger

September 4th, 2012, 10:39

Hi and thanks for offers,
Changing the wing fold system type did the trick...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/gasgmwf-1.jpg

Spad54

September 4th, 2012, 13:05

The model's aircraft configuration file has been updated to include the fix. Great work Roger! I was pulling my hair out trying to figure this out. Very little guidance out there for this problem. :salute:

Dev One

September 4th, 2012, 23:02

Changing my Proctor to a type 1 wingfold does not cure the problem for me in FSX, but then maybe thats because its a FS9 port over? I can get the F18 to operate OK.
Keith

Spad54

September 5th, 2012, 02:09

Changing my Proctor to a type 1 wingfold does not cure the problem for me in FSX, but then maybe thats because its a FS9 port over? I can get the F18 to operate OK.
Keith
Try changing it to type 4 that's what was required for ours.

Dev One

September 5th, 2012, 04:15

Thanks Spad54, but unfortunately thats what it was!!!! So I will try the other numbers.
Keith
[edit] I have tried the other numbers & checked the Standard.xml, but still no joy, I must just have to assume that the Gmax/FS9 notation for wingfold does not cross over.
Just a side issue on the Gipsy Moth, in the early '30s my father maintained a 60X at Brooklands for a Scotsman after whom I am named.......(Murray)