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Capt. Winters
August 12th, 2012, 16:33
Hi Guys,

just a heads up that a new set of 6 Messerschmitt BF109F-2 'Friedrich' have been uploaded to the CFS3 German aircraft section. Readme details below:

This download set contains files for six Messerschmitt BF109F-2 'Friedrich' aircraft from the Eastern Front 1941 through 1942. to be added to any install of CFS3, Stock, MAW, ETO, BoB, etc.
Aircraft Credits:
The initial work for this pack was completed several years ago, then sat idle until John whelan took it under his wing and organised people to finish it all off.

This Bf 109F was converted from the original DR BF 109E model made by Gerard van der Harst.
Additional modellers who added in detail to the main external model were: Mathias Pommerien, Luca Festari, Tom Faulds.
Virtual cockpit model Luca Festari, with extra model work by Tom Faulds and Rob Stevenson. (External main model cockpit and converted virtual cockpit work.)
Main model Hi Res textures by John Whelan.
Virtual Cockpit textures by John Whelan.
Mos File by Rob Stevenson.
Historical adaptation and standalones by Rob Stevenson.
Flight model by Bill Wilson
AvHistory. org Flight Model V4.00.144
AvHistory weapons and sounds.

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Installation:
This pack consists of 4 folders worth of files.
Aircraft folder. (includes the 6x planes 1x Dr_engine_Sounds folder and 1x shared folder) simply drop these folders into your aircraft folder and allow overwrite if asked.
guns folder. (includes the files for the Mg17 and Mg151-15 armament) drop these files into your guns folder and allow overwrite if asked.
weapons folder. (includes files for the Mg17, Mg151-15, the 300l drop tank, 250kg bomb) drop these files into your weapons folder and allow overwrite if asked.
pylons folder. (includes the main pylons for the 250kg bomb and the 300l drop tank). drop these files into your pylons folder and allow overwrite if asked.
**NOTE** The included guns and weapons folder's contain the relevent AvHistory weapons files required for the Bf109F-2 if you are installing into a stock install of CFS3 or BoB addon, that does not already have the Avhistroy weapons pack loaded.
If installing into MAW, ETO, or Rising Sun addons or Stock CFS3 that has had the AvHistory weapons pack applied you "WILL" be asked to overwrite these files, as all of these addons include the AvHistory weapons pack as part of the addon.
It is safe to overwrite the existing files in your install as the included files in this pack are the most upto date versions of the AvHistory weapons pack.

For any assistance with installation please post on the Simouthouse CFS3 General Discussion forum.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/forumdisplay.php?7-CFS3-General-Discussion
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Pilot views in game. there are 3 views
1 x Normal defualt pilot view looking over the top 3rd of the instrument panel through the gun site.
2 x Instrument view, looking down with instrument panel filling screen.
3 x Pilot view with a wide feild of view.
hitting F6 will cycle through the various views in the order outlined above.
The defualt pilot view was set to give both a good field of vision and the best frame rates possible. The VC is a very complicated model; on the test PC setting the defualt view with only minimal instrument panel in sight gave a 10 FPS increase compared to a more common CFS3 field of view were the top half of the instrument panel is in view.
For those whol like the wider field of view you can fly in position 3 as outlined above. guns sight anilgment works in both pilot views.

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Legal, this aircraft set or any part thereof are freeware and are not to be loaded to any site that charges any form of payment for download.
This set or part thereof should not be uploaded without prior permission from John Whelan. (AKA Bravo/4 on Simouthouse.com)
Repaints are encouraged please give credits where required.

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Aircraft include:
Messerschmitt BF109F-2 'Friedrich'
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Unit: 5th Staffel, JG-3
pilot: Lt. Horst Buddenhagen
Serial number: Black 7
Hostynne-Zamocs, Poland.
June 1941.



Messerschmitt BF109F-2 'Friedrich'
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Unit: 1st Staffel, JG-3
pilot: Hptm, Hans von Hahn
Serial number: W.Nr: 5458
Berditschew, Zhytomyrska Oblast,
Ukraine.
July 1941.



Messerschmitt BF109F-2 'Friedrich'
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Unit: 1st Staffel, JG-51
pilot: ObLt, Werner 'Vati' Molder
Serial number: W.Nr: 9704
Stary Bychow, Dnieper,
Russia.
July 1941.



Messerschmitt BF109F-2 'Friedrich'
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Unit: 2nd Staffel, JG-54 'Green Hearts'
pilot: ObLt. Hans Phillipp
Serial number: White 9
Leningrad front,
Russia.
March 1942.



Messerschmitt BF109F-2 'Friedrich'
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Unit: 5th Staffel, JG-52
pilot: Unknown
Serial number: Black 4
Southern Sector, Eastern front,
Russia.
May 1942.



Messerschmitt BF109F-2 'Friedrich'
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Unit: 3rd Staffel, JG-54 'Green Hearts'
pilot: Lt. Rudolf 'Rudi' Rademacher
Serial number: White 10
Leningrad front,
Russia.
September 1942.

Daiwilletti
August 12th, 2012, 18:26
Wunderbar!! Thank you to all concerned :guinness::guinness:

josepicos
August 12th, 2012, 18:54
Thanks, these are freaking nice :):applause::applause::applause: Saw some combat all ready! 70749




Is it possible or ok to implant the V/C into Ndickis 109(this V/C is the bomb!!)???

gecko
August 12th, 2012, 19:58
I've got my copy! Been looking forward to this one. Well done.:salute: Are there plans to broaden the skin selection to Western Europe or the Mediterranean?

josepicos, you can always try, but I don't think it is compatible with that model.

Led Zeppelin
August 13th, 2012, 02:02
absolutely beautifull!

SixGhost
August 13th, 2012, 02:34
Aww yeah! Congrats everybody!:applause:

HouseHobbit
August 13th, 2012, 09:31
Many Thanks to all for this set of beautiful birds..
Just love the tiger stripped one..

eddie
August 13th, 2012, 10:53
Aww yeah! Congrats everybody!:applause:

Good to see you around here again Luca!! In fact got wondering what you have been up to lately, especially after I found a certain Ju 88 file you sent me years ago!:icon_lol:

hairyspin
August 13th, 2012, 11:04
Is it possible or ok to implant the V/C into Ndickis 109(this V/C is the bomb!!)???

Cough cough cough! Splutter splutter cough! I wouldn't recommend it, Nigel's Bf109s are the stock MS model and there are issues with trying that - mostly to do with the fit.


Aww yeah! Congrats everybody!:applause:

Thank you again Luca for the fun of working with your model! :icon29::icon29::icon29:

Bravo/4
August 13th, 2012, 12:25
It took a while Luca, but finally got them out there!:mixedsmi:

The Tropical versions will be released next, then I'll do more skins for ETO, and more MTO!

Big thanks to the guys who helped me sort this out, very much appreciated!

Here's a couple of MTO schemes to come, on the proper Trop version!

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2257/40625342.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/40625342.jpg/)
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9738/45754673.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/45754673.jpg/)

eddie
August 13th, 2012, 12:28
Very nice John!:medals:

gecko
August 13th, 2012, 13:38
Can't wait!

josepicos
August 13th, 2012, 14:55
Cough cough cough! Splutter splutter cough! I wouldn't recommend it, Nigel's Bf109s are the stock MS model and there are issues with trying that - mostly to do with the fit.



Thank you again Luca for the fun of working with your model! :icon29::icon29::icon29:



I just remembered his are Gustavs........................................STU PID OF ME


well wonder when a nice V/C will be made for that Gustav!

SixGhost
August 13th, 2012, 16:14
Good to see you around here again Luca!! In fact got wondering what you have been up to lately, especially after I found a certain Ju 88 file you sent me years ago!:icon_lol:

Scotty! I'm always lurking but seldomly posting. Been having nasty health issues lately and I find it difficult to even think of opening 3d apps.:blind:


Thank you again Luca for the fun of working with your model! :icon29::icon29::icon29:

I'm glad you liked it, kudos to you, Tom. It's always somewhat of a pain working with someone else's work but you managed it wonderfully!

Thanks to you, John and Rob for bringing it finally to life! You do really keep CFS3 alive!:medals::medals:

eddie
August 13th, 2012, 16:37
I hope you return to good health Luca, real soon my friend!

gecko
August 14th, 2012, 10:21
I've noticed that some of the interior textures look a bit pixelated. If they were converted to .dds using Martin Wright's program this happens sometimes. If one of you has a set of .bmp files for the texture and can send them to me I can get that fixed. PM me if you need my address. BTW I love the grey cockpit textures, would they be historically correct for the Emil pit as well?

Daniel

hairyspin
August 14th, 2012, 11:02
It's always somewhat of a pain working with someone else's work...

Not when the work is properly done and organised in a meaningful hierarchy: all I had to do was some shuffling of objects from the Emil. (I might have picked up a few mapping tricks from the VC, but all the stacks were already collapsed... never mind, I have other sources (http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/index.php)! :mixedsmi: )

Capt. Winters
August 14th, 2012, 17:18
I've noticed that some of the interior textures look a bit pixelated. If they were converted to .dds using Martin Wright's program this happens sometimes. If one of you has a set of .bmp files for the texture and can send them to me I can get that fixed. PM me if you need my address. BTW I love the grey cockpit textures, would they be historically correct for the Emil pit as well?

Daniel

Hi Daniel,

I have uploaded to your folder on the FTP sites the VC templates for the 109F there Paintshop pro files but photoshop will open them. You'll see by the layers how I did it, used Johns original works for the E and F pits and mixed and matched and recoloured to get all the bits coloured up.

Not sure if the grey woul dbe strictly correct for the E model.

regards Rob.

gecko
August 14th, 2012, 17:44
Hi Rob,

Unfortunately I don't have either program and can't open those files. I do have paint.net which can open .psd and .pdn files if you can save them in either of those formats. Thanks,

Daniel

Capt. Winters
August 14th, 2012, 18:27
Hi Daniel,

uploading PSD versions now. and a surprise :)

will post again when upload finishes.

regards Rob.

gecko
August 14th, 2012, 18:54
Oh boy! I love surprises!:jump::icon_lol: Thanks Rob.

Capt. Winters
August 14th, 2012, 19:32
Hi Daniel,

all uploaded.

regards Rob.

gecko
August 15th, 2012, 09:49
Thanks Rob, got em converted!:applause: Do you want me to send them back to you to put back in the package or just upload here?

Capt. Winters
August 17th, 2012, 23:52
Hi Daniel,

Just upload here, I'll grab them as well from here and put into my main set as well.

thanks regards Rob.

gecko
August 18th, 2012, 11:03
Done! Up when the admin sees it.

gosd
September 20th, 2012, 16:55
It took a while Luca, but finally got them out there!:mixedsmi:

The Tropical versions will be released next, then I'll do more skins for ETO, and more MTO!

Big thanks to the guys who helped me sort this out, very much appreciated!

Here's a couple of MTO schemes to come, on the proper Trop version!

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2257/40625342.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/40625342.jpg/)
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9738/45754673.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/45754673.jpg/)
When wiil these be available ?:jump:

ndicki
September 21st, 2012, 08:47
Just seen this - yes, some very final production E-types did apparently have the cockpit in RLM 66 rather than 02. In order to stay historically correct all round though, you'd need to stick with 02. Don't go by survivors, which have certainly been repainted since they left the factory, either during an overhaul or by their new owners.

gecko
September 21st, 2012, 12:43
Great info Nigel! So by very late E model we're talking E-7 or E-9 (and not E-8 as I understand these were updated E-1 airframes)?

ndicki
September 21st, 2012, 13:09
E-7, E-7/B and /N especially - you're right about the E-8 being modified from existing E-1 airframes - therefore completely overhauled though - and the E-9 was modified from E-7 aircraft. The problem is that the total mess that the Bf109 became began with the E-type... And reached its conclusion with the G-Type where by the end, it was difficult to find two aircraft which were exactly identical! Apparently, Arado and Fiesler-built 109Es had their cockpits painted in RLM 66 before those of other builders. More conjecture... And some apparently had both colours, using 66 for the rear deck and panel, and 02 for the rest.

But if you stay with the as-is RLM 02 cockpit for all E-Types, you can't go wrong. Early F-1 types will most probably have had the RLM 02 cockpit though, as they left the production lines in the autumn of 1940. RLM 66 was officialised in November 1941, but this was retroactive and simply authorised what had already been going on for some months already.

It's probably safe enough to say that if the aircraft left the factory in 74/75/76 rather than 70/71/65 or 71/02/65, then the cockpit would probably be in RLM 66.

Probably. Possibly. Assuming. And so on. But that is about all anyone can do!

Paradoxically, the Germans, with their reputation for being extremely disciplined and legalistic, tended to paint their aircraft comparatively freely, while the British, with our reputation for being flamboyant individualists, stuck pretty closely to the rulebook!

gecko
September 21st, 2012, 15:27
Ack...what a mess. I think it may be a part of why they lost the war - so many specializations, variations even down to not being able to decide what color to paint the cockpit - it doesn't lend itself to streamlined mass production especially when compared to US, Russian and for the most part British production. And of course Herr Hitler had to have his fingers mixed up in so much of it, usually for the worse.

ndicki
September 21st, 2012, 23:00
Very true! And when you remember that the 109 was designed for easy, modular mass-production, compared to the Spitfire which was quite difficult to build, you can see how wrong it went. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the modular design of the 109 was the root of its downfall, in that it was too easy to upgrade or partially upgrade or modify the airframe even in the field. For example, changing the entire tail assembly from the standard to the tall type was a matter of a couple of hours, if that. And the tailwheel could come with the new part, so by the end of the day, a standard G-6 has taken on some of the features of a G-14 lookalike with a non-standard G-10 tailwheel... While Rene and I were researching our series of G and K-type 109s, we came time and time again up against utterly intractable problems trying to define what constituted which sub-type. The G-series gets very complicated towards the end...

gecko
September 21st, 2012, 23:37
On the bright side though, you could probably find examples of each variant fitted out in a way that matches our stock G-10 and all them be more or less correct!:mixedsmi:

ndicki
September 22nd, 2012, 12:35
On the bright side though, you could probably find examples of each variant fitted out in a way that matches our stock G-10 and all them be more or less correct!:mixedsmi:

Well, the stock model is so poorly done, with so little definition - cowling bumps, wing blisters, air vents, etc - are all so indistinct that you have to paint the details in or there won't be any. Which is quite useful for, say, the G-10 which could have two types of wing blisters and three types of cowling... If I remember correctly! Not to mention long or short tailwheels, second or third type (in the G series) main wheels (with the corresponding blisters) long, short or no radio masts, 20 or 30mm motor cannon, and so on and so forth... Total confusion.

Back to the F-Type.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the Mediterranean and Channel Front ones...

hairyspin
September 22nd, 2012, 12:52
...Not to mention long or short tailwheels, second or third type (in the G series) main wheels (with the corresponding blisters) long, short or no radio masts, 20 or 30mm motor cannon, and so on and so forth... Total confusion...

You're not kidding Nigel: I had a look at a book on 109s recently and it's quite head-spinning when you get to the Gustavs - not to mention the cockpits. :icon_eek: :isadizzy:

gecko
September 22nd, 2012, 14:39
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the Mediterranean and Channel Front ones...

I'll second that, really looking forward to seeing those.

Cuttles
September 24th, 2012, 03:14
All very beautiful, noted especially Bravo/4 's exhaust stains on MTO version is so real:salute:

gosd
November 12th, 2012, 18:45
Any news on the release date of the Mediterranean and Channel Front ones... ?:jump:

gosd
February 1st, 2013, 16:49
:bump:

hairyspin
February 2nd, 2013, 01:01
:bump:

Winter maladies wheeze have slowed things down koff koff with more than one contributor to this project, but they'll get there aaschoooooo pass the kleenex

gosd
February 2nd, 2013, 10:07
God Bless! Take care, just didn't want to forget this one.:salute:

hairyspin
February 2nd, 2013, 11:59
It's not forgotten, there will also be Bf 109F-4 variants in time. AAAAAchooooo. sniff.

gecko
February 2nd, 2013, 13:52
I'm looking forward to this one as well! Hoping for a nice variety of skins to go with it. Everyone's work on this project is much appreciated.

Out of curiosity, how far off would early G series variants be from the F-4 model for skinning purposes? Just thinking of how to fill in that currently untouched portion of the 109 line.

ndicki
February 2nd, 2013, 23:58
I'm looking forward to this one as well! Hoping for a nice variety of skins to go with it. Everyone's work on this project is much appreciated.

Out of curiosity, how far off would early G series variants be from the F-4 model for skinning purposes? Just thinking of how to fill in that currently untouched portion of the 109 line.

For the G-2 at least, the main visible differences are the blanked-off lower canopy quarterlights and the two air scoops on either side of the nose. Rene did a set of special covers for the quarterlights on the old Friedrich, but the idea ground to a halt. Otherwise, the undercarriage bays need to be squared-off rather than rounded, but that's perhaps less important. All the other details such as the fuel filler cap can be pencilled in, so to speak. The G-4 would need a fixed tailwheel and covered-over tailwheel well, larger wheels set at a slightly different angle to the oleo legs, and teardrop bulges on the uppersurfaces of the wings. Again, if necessary, these can be painted in as I did with the stock models. And the aerial connector moved a couple of frames to the rear as well, if you want to be really annoying.

But does anybody have the source file? That would be the obvious course, and shouldn't be too difficult...

hairyspin
February 3rd, 2013, 03:27
I do know someone has a Gustav model for working on, but has been daft enough to think the Emil's VC needs a little modification to look like a proper Gustav...

ndicki
February 3rd, 2013, 06:42
Unfortunately, he's right. Even the Friedrich doesn't look the same as the Emil... But I wouldn't let that stand in my way!

gosd
March 24th, 2013, 12:49
re. Any news on the release date of the Mediterranean and Channel Front ones... ?:jump:

gecko
March 24th, 2013, 18:49
I think there's been a bit of a hold up as John was waylaid by some kind of nasty infection and I would imagine he's still recovering.

Bravo/4
March 25th, 2013, 12:30
Trops are still on, hopefully soon! :mixedsmi:

gosd
March 25th, 2013, 13:04
Great!!:jump: