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Jaxon
July 24th, 2012, 07:47
Yesterday I saw a book in an library airport-shop in Spain.
On its cover was a picture of a Messerschmitt Bf 110 flying over the pyramids.

The book was in Spanish, and I did not want to buy it just for the cover showing a Bf 110 flying over the pyramids.

I have never seen that pic before and I can`t find it on the net. Does anyone here remembers such a pic somewhere in your library and can help out?

The code was 2F+JA or 2F+JK (or another combination?) It was definately not 3U+.. as many other pics of Flying Bf 100s in the MTO show.

Many thanks in advance.

Jagdflieger
July 24th, 2012, 09:37
Jax,

I don't think that I've ever seen a picture of a Luftwaffe airplane over the Pyramids. If I locate one though, I'll post it.

hewman100
July 24th, 2012, 13:23
The RAF captured an example in Iraq which was shipped to Egypt and then flown by 267 Sqn.

Aufklärungsgruppe 14, one of the main reconnaissance gruppes in North Africa had some Bf110s. Their code was '5F-'
http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf-110-AG14.2-%285F+PK%29/pages/1-Bf-110E-2.%28F%2914-%285F+PK%29-North-Africa-01.html

Jaxon
July 25th, 2012, 14:05
I know that unit, though I have not seen THAT plane before.
There is another German unit, with similar planes and close looking Codes: SF+.. flying mainly Fieseler Storchs.

I have searched the web now for two days without luck. But this a too interesting piece of the puzzle, because the DAK on the ground did not make it that far in Northern Africa.

hewman100
July 25th, 2012, 14:36
It's the same unit Jaxon, as they also flew Storchs and Hs126s. I only found this photo by chance

kwb737
July 26th, 2012, 13:27
Yesterday I saw a book in an library airport-shop in Spain.
On its cover was a picture of a Messerschmitt Bf 110 flying over the pyramids.

The book was in Spanish, and I did not want to buy it just for the cover showing a Bf 110 flying over the pyramids.

I have never seen that pic before and I can`t find it on the net. Does anyone here remembers such a pic somewhere in your library and can help out?

The code was 2F+JA or 2F+JK (or another combination?) It was definately not 3U+.. as many other pics of Flying Bf 100s in the MTO show.

Many thanks in advance.

I looked and looked but I couldn't find the picture you saw. The only thing I found close was this picture but it's not a BF 110 but a Dakota. Sorry.

http://www.avaxnews.com/pictures/16156

Desert Rat
July 29th, 2012, 08:47
As well as the 2.(F)14 unit from the picture one of my books states that another two, 4.(H)/12 and 2.(H)/14 also operated tactical reccon. It shows a pic with code H1+?? later part not in picture. It does state that the pic is from 4.(H)/12.

Pic is on ground with crew hloding plaque with palm tree and '500. Afrika feindflug'.

No pyramids though.

Jamie

Jaxon
July 29th, 2012, 09:58
Hewman I am sorry, but these were different units:

5S+.. Wüstennotstaffel (1?) operating Fi-156 STORCHs
(http://www.ww2.dk/air/misc/wustnot1.html)

The badge was a black africa with a white cross on it.

5F+.. Aufklärungsgruppe 14
(http://www.ww2.dk/air/recon/aufklg14.html)

Stab + 5 Staffeln:
(5F+.H) 1.(H)eer / Aufkl.Grp. 14 - Hs 126 (disbanded march 1942)
(5F+.K) 2.(H)eer / Aufkl.Grp. 14 - Hs 126, Bf 109E,F,G & Bf 110F, Fi 156
(5F+.L) 3.(H)eer / Aufkl.Grp. 14 - Hs 126, FW 189A, Fi 156
(5F+.M) 4.(F)ern / Aufkl.Grp. 14 - Bf 110C,E, Ju 88, Ju 188
(5F+.N) 5.(H)eer / Aufkl.Grp. 14 - (?FW189 as 3.(H) - from which it was formed?)

The badge was a white Edelweiss flower on red background - at least for 2. Staffel

2F+... was used on Aircraft of a unit in combination with StukaGeschwader 2
Some sources say the Stabstaffel - but this would be a rare case, if a subunit really had other codes.

Other units known with 2F code (Most probably at different times)
Kampfgeschwader 54 (to 3.40), 5.Kampfgeschwader 28, Stabsstaffel St.G.3

I have seen pics of Bf 110 with 2F+.. in the MTO, but not that far.
I always thought, that part of Egypt was always Allied territory.

hewman100
July 29th, 2012, 12:18
Thanks Jaxon.

I maybe mistaken, but I also think I've seen a photo of an Me210 wearing the '2F+..' in the Med