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mike_cyul

July 6th, 2012, 07:23

The Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 for FSX(A) has been released....

A couple of things to note:

Please take the time to read the manual. The cockpit familiarization illustration is not in a style that we're perhaps used to in FSX, but it's what the real pilots had, and so that's what you get! There are, however, FSX-specific illustrations at the rear of the manual, to cover things that are not covered by the basic operations.

You may also find the electrical switch/buttons more difficult to click on in the VC, but this has been left deliberately as that's fundamentally the view the pilots would have had. The clickspot zones have been extended to enable easy use, however. Just watch the tooltips carefully, and you should get the hang of it.

The guns will not work on the ground, as the brake switch that is on most joysticks also functions at the gun trigger in the air, and so the functions change. It might also save you shooting your Chief Mechanic's head off by accident. :)

Ctrl-E will not start the airplane - unless you have the magnetos on. Page 26 of the Manual will give you the full starting procedure to use.

The 109K will be available on the Flight Replicas website only, for the first week or so, until I know there are no bugs, and then it will go to the other vendors, if that's where you prefer to shop.

The 109K available on the Flight Replicas website contains the full historically accurate fin markings, and this is default. There are alternative textures in the relevant texture folders, just drop the one you want into the textures and let overwrite.

http://www.flight-replicas.com/Bf-109K_FSX.htm
(http://www.flight-replicas.com/Bf-109K_FSX.htm)
Turn the volume up - they were loud. We hope you enjoy the Bf-109K-4!

Mike

skyhawka4m

July 6th, 2012, 07:31

I see two prices Mike....$29.95 and $32.95

Barnes

July 6th, 2012, 07:32

Off to buy it now to cheer up wha may be an otherwise boring wet summer weekend in Southern England

Well done Mike

CodyValkyrie

July 6th, 2012, 07:34

Aww shoot. I'm out of dosh and also have to go to work. May have to wait a while on this. Either way, I'm eagerly awaiting the aircraft and have been very much looking forward to it. You are an excellent producer of planes, and you don't really get the credit I suspect for what you do. One of the things I really like about you Mike is you are no bull$&#*, and from what I have observed in the last few years you have always been kind, never taken offense to much and generally don't take issue with other developers. That seems to be a rarity these days. You just diligently work on your projects, and there is a lot to be said about that kind of work ethic. I wish you absolute success with this bird!

mike_cyul

July 6th, 2012, 07:41

I see two prices Mike....$29.95 and $32.95

It's $29.95...let me see what the store is up to....

Edit: Ok, that is now fixed. Faulty link.

Mike

Roger

July 6th, 2012, 07:54

Excellent news!

Barnes

July 6th, 2012, 08:06

LOL - i did not realise that if you press Shift+E+2 you jetterson the canopy - excellent work Mike :applause:

mike_cyul

July 6th, 2012, 08:13

LOL - i did not realise that if you press Shift+E+2 you jetterson the canopy - excellent work Mike :applause:

Well, you can just pull the red handle, too. :)

Mike

Bomber_12th

July 6th, 2012, 08:24

Thank you Mike and everyone involved on the project, for bringing this aircraft to FSX, it is just absolutely superb in all regards.

Akatsuki

July 6th, 2012, 08:29

Great news Mike, congratulations !:medals:

...Downloaded, sadly i'll have to wait a few hours before i can access my FSX computer.

Bomber_12th

July 6th, 2012, 08:49

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image1-2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image2-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image3-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image6-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image7-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image8-1.jpg

Roger

July 6th, 2012, 09:23

Great model Mike:ernae:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/BF109k-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/BF109k-2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/BF109k-3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/bf109k-4.jpg

Thunderbolt

July 6th, 2012, 09:56

huuiiiii, nice screenshots :applause:

flaviossa

July 6th, 2012, 10:21

Yes, beautiful plane. The sounds and textures are "something extra". Thanks for your help Mike! :salute:

RyanJames170

July 6th, 2012, 11:01

Bought and Downloaded! trying out as soon as its installed!

fliger747

July 6th, 2012, 12:47

VC pix?

T

mike_cyul

July 6th, 2012, 14:10

VC pix?

T

Does this help? http://www.flight-replicas.com/Bf-109K_FSX_Screenshots.htm

I understand if you'd prefer customer screenshots.

Mike

Bomber_12th

July 6th, 2012, 14:19

I hope Mike doesn't mind me posting such a large image of the VC, but it is just excellent and deserves being shown off. The view through the front windscreen can give you chills (it reminds me of old pilot-view cockpit footage from the restored Bf-109G "Black 6"), and the canopy, with the armored glass and all of the other components that make up the real thing, actually takes on the appearance of being as heavy as the real thing.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/VC.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/VC2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/VC2a.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/VC3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/VC5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/VC4.jpg

doublecool

July 6th, 2012, 14:33

Great screen shots Bomber (inside and out) You have done the 109 and Flight replica proud :applause:

Next, I want to Thank Mike for all the work on this Beauty... :salute: you can see it everywhere on this Monster :wavey:

Ian Warren

July 6th, 2012, 14:34

:icon_lol:Cheers Mike , Here i go ... i'm going in :cool: looks like someone has already tried a MP session ;)

Edit : John , they are wicked screens , those alone would easy sell this 109 !

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Bomber_12th

July 6th, 2012, 15:05

After all of the anticipation that has built up over the years, as it has developed, and it more than exceeds every expectation I had. Being the artist Mike is, the product is an absolute work of art, though it makes it hard to stop taking screenshots. : )

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image1-3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image2-2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image3-2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image4-2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image5-2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/Image6-2.jpg

Barnes

July 6th, 2012, 15:18

Ive started a repaint but cant finish it because i dont have enough ref material. Im open to requests provided there are top and side views available of the real aircraft's scheme.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/Untitled-1copy-25.jpg

Bomber_12th

July 6th, 2012, 15:28

In regards to the flight model and handling, it is just as superb as the visuals. Once you get past the takeoff and landing characteristics of the '109, which often seem to be the most talked about handling qualities of the aircraft, through all of the pilot reports I have read, in the air the aircraft is an absolute sweetheart to fly, with gobs of power in a lightweight airframe, with little to no vices, just requiring attention to stay on the ball (as in any high-performance single engine WWII fighter). On the ground, I have also always read that, unlike other tail-dragger fighters of the period, it needs brakes, both in landing and especially when turning. Unlike something like the Spitfire, which will nose over when brakes are on and even modest power, pilots describe the need to use a good amount of brakes while rolling out from landing. They also always highlight what it takes to turn the aircraft on the ground, which usually involves good bursts of power, with the stick pushed forward, rudder deflection, and a lot braking in the direction of the turn. All of these items are very, very well replicated. When landing, it is important to use proper airspeeds, which may seem very low to some. It's not a wheel-landing type of aircraft, with three-pointers being ideal. From one pilot report in particular, even though the author seemed to sweat-out his entire first flight with the aircraft, by the time the engine shut down, he was eager to fill the tank again and go for another flight, having found the handling and thrill of the aircraft better than he had read or heard about prior.

Bomber_12th

July 6th, 2012, 15:40

Gareth, I hope something can be found that will help you complete that repaint! The paint work you have already on the fuselage is excellent! Unfortunately I'm not familiar with too many Bf-109 schemes, but I'm sort of intrigued to do more research now on the subject.

Barfly

July 6th, 2012, 16:15

68714

mike_cyul

July 6th, 2012, 16:29

Oooh la la. I'll end up making models just so that I can look at the screenshots that John takes of them. :mixedsmi:

Greg, there's no point being there if your gun system isn't on, weapons aren't armed, and the gunsight isn't turned on.;)

Mike

Barfly

July 6th, 2012, 17:09

Poor Juggie. I needed him for climb testing :)

P38man

July 6th, 2012, 22:20

I bought it and it looks great, flys great!

Love using the boost! Extra sounds from the slats and wind make it more immersive!

Very happy with my purchase. WELL DONE!!

I have some issues with sound and graphics though anyone else ?
- used shells (when firing) come up as black boxes.
- no noise when firing but can see the shots - is this right ?
- also I have a file called xbf109_rpm3.pk that cannot be played by windows media player

My setup
- I have a i2600K and a GTX580 both overclocked with a SSD and a hardrive and Matroxtriplehead2go with some Saitek panels.
- realism settings same as all A2A aircraft which means realistic max except engines.
- sound setting all equal at 50
- had installed initially then left home and came back and started FSX after new boot.
- other settings as per my guide
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?59416-Start-to-Finish-my-links-guide-to-setting-up-FSX-%28Updated%29

P38man

July 6th, 2012, 22:35

Daube

July 7th, 2012, 00:20

I think I'll buy this little gem. Fantastic work on this 3D model, and this virtual cockpit is quite impressive.
Also, big thanks to John for the excellent screenshots.

Mathias

July 7th, 2012, 02:30

Excellent stuff! Thank you Mike and congrats on the release!
Downloading now.

Barnes

July 7th, 2012, 02:58

OK - ive found one i can repaint with enough ref material. A work in progress

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-438.jpg

mike_cyul

July 7th, 2012, 04:49

I have some issues with sound and graphics though anyone else ?
- used shells (when firing) come up as black boxes.
- no noise when firing but can see the shots - is this right ?
- also I have a file called xbf109_rpm3.pk that cannot be played by windows media player

Is anyone else having these problems?

P38, can you check that you have textures Bf-109_ccase.bmp and Bf-109_mcase.bmp in your Effects/texture folder. These are for the shell casings.

You should have sounds for the guns. In your main Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Sound folder there should be folder called FlightReplicas. And in your Gauges folder, a file called FlightReplicas_XMLSound.gau. In the main Microsoft Flight Simulator X folder, make sure you have GaugeSound.dll.

You can dump xbf109_rpm3.pk from the Messerschmitt Bf-109 K4 FSX\sound folder, it's probably just a test file from early on or something like that.

Mike

Barnes

July 7th, 2012, 05:22

I dont have any problems that P38man is having. All working well.

Meanwhile this repaint is almost done and i will upload to the SOH library soon.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-1549.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-1002.jpg

Barnes

July 7th, 2012, 06:44

I dont have any problems that P38man is having. All working well.

Meanwhile this repaint is almost done and i will upload to the SOH library soon. You can now download from here..

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-1549.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-1002.jpg
You can now download this repaint from here....
https://www.cx.com/mycx/share/4cecDMhBEeGynBICOASQIQ/Flight%20Replica%20BF108%20K4%20Repaint%20JG27%20R ed%207.zip

stovall

July 7th, 2012, 07:00

Oh man Barnes, simply beautiful. Just finished the download. Great seeing the quality of repaints here and the fantastic talent you and others have. Thanks a million.

Smashing Time

July 7th, 2012, 07:17

I have quite a bit of Luftwaffe camouflage material if you want to PM me. As for a quick general reference this might be of help. the colors are not the best as reproduced here but for the most part could be a good starting point. As stated, from mid 44 the RLM issued some standards but as the destruction of the Reich's infrastructure progressed the factories, assembly points, and field units were all using what they could find and make locally. Often different section components did not match. There is not a whole lot of photographic documentation of the K's as the Luftwaffe was pretty much in survival mode by late 44-45 and 'picture taking' was not what it used to be.....:kilroy:

Great work Mike

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/SmashingBomb/img127.jpg

Bomber_12th

July 7th, 2012, 08:28

I was able to find two of the pilot reports I referred to. One is written by the late Mark Hanna, as re-published in the Nov/Dec 2010 issue of Warbirds International, and another is by John Romain, as published in the 2006 issue of Flight Journal Magazine. Both pilots should be very well known by everyone who has an interest in warbirds.

Going back to the ground handling again, here are some exact quotes:

Turning on the ground -

"The 109 needs a lot of power to get moving, so you need to allow the engine to warm a little before you pile the power onto it. Power up to 1800-rpm and suddenly we're rolling. Power back. To turn, stick forward against the instrument panel to lighten the tail. A blast of throttle and a jab of brake. Do this in a Spitfire and you are on your nose! The 109, however, is very tail-heavy and is reluctant to turn - you can very easily lock up a wheel. If you do not use the above technique, you will charge off across the airfield in a straight line! Forward view can only be described as appalling, and due to the tail/brake arrangement this makes weaving more difficult than other similar types. I prefer to taxi with the hood open to help this a little." - Mark Hanna

"The aircraft is very tail-heavy, so turning the aircraft on the ground is impossible without forward stick and some power. A Spitfire would instantly go over on its nose if you did this, so some thoughtful practice [is] required. Also, the brakes are initially quite hard to get used to: you must use full rudder and then brake rather than be tempted to simply use the brakes for taxiing." - John Romain

Landing -

"Returning to the landing circuit, it is almost essential to join for a run and break. Over the field, break from 50-ft, up and over 4Gs onto the downwind leg. Speed at 170-mph or less, gear select to down and feel the gear come down asymmetrically. Check the mechanical indicators (ignore the electric position indicators), pitch fully fine. Fuel - boost pump on. If you have less than one-quarter fuel and the rear pump is not on, the engine may stop in the three-point attitude. Rad flaps to full open and wing flaps to 10- or 15-deg.

As the wing passes the threshold downwind take all of the power off and roll into the finals turn, cranking the flap like mad as you go. The important thing is to set up a highish rate of descent with a curved approach. The aircraft is reluctant to lose speed around finals so, ideally, you should initiate your turn quite slow at about 100- to 105-mph. Slats normally deploy halfway around finals, but you, the pilot, are not aware they have come out. The ideal is to keep turning with the speed slowly bleeding, and roll out at about 10-ft at the right speed and just starting to transition to the three-point attitude. The last speed I usually see is just about 90; I'm normally too busy to look after that!

The 109 is one of the most controlable aircraft that I have flown at slow speed around finals, and provided you don't get too slow, is one of the easiest to three-point. It just feels right. The only problem is getting it too slow. If this happens, you end up with a very high sink rate, very quickly and with absolutely no ability to check or flare to round out. The 109 literally falls out of your hands.

Once down on three-points, the aircraft tends to stay down - but this is when you have to be careful. The forward view has gone to hell and you cannot afford to let any sort of swing develop. The problem is that the initial detection is more difficult. The airplane is completely unpredictable and can diverge in either direction. There never seems to be any pattern to this. Sometimes the most immaculate three-pointer will turn into a potential disaster halfway through the landing roll. Other times, a ropey landing will roll straight as an arrow!

Operating off grass is preferred. Although it is a much smoother ride on hard surface, directionally the aircraft is definitely more sensitive. Without doubt, you cannot afford to relax until you are positively stationary. I would never make a rolling exit from a runway in the 109. It is just as likely to wrap itself up at 25-mph as it is at 80-mph.

Another problem is that you have to go easy on the brakes. Hammer them too early in the landing roll and they will have faded to nothing just when you need them! The final word of advice is always three-point the aircraft, and if the wind is such that it makes three-pointers unadvisable, it's simple: The airplane stays in the hangar!

Having said all this, if treated with respect, care and attention, the airplane is not a problem, but rather an exciting challenge that demands 100% of its pilot. To summarize, I like the airplane very much and I think I can understand why many of the Luftwaffe aces had such a high regard and preference for the aircraft." - Mark Hanna

Furthermore, as recommended by John Romain in his pilot report, it is a good idea to become familiar with the attitude that the aircraft is sitting at, when you are first seated in the aircraft on the ground, as you will want to match that same attitude when flaring on landing.

Referring back to crosswinds and the 109, I've heard mention that in the cockpits of the UK-based machines (Buchons in this case), they are required by the CAA (the UK version of the FAA) to have a placard fitted in the cockpit that warns of the dire consequences if you land the aircraft in crosswinds of 10-kts or greater.

Bomber_12th

July 7th, 2012, 09:47

Here’s another set of pilot report quotes by Mark Hanna, that I thought I’d share. My favorite items are those that are non-technical, and get into the personality and character of the aircraft and what it's like to even just sit in it, let alone fly it.
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“The 109 is, without doubt, the most satisfying and challenging aircraft that I have ever flown.
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To my eye, the aircraft looks dangerous – both to the enemy and its own pilots. The aircraft’s difficult reputation is well-known, and right from the outset you are aware that this is an airplane that needs to be treated with a great deal of respect. Talk to people about the 109 and all you hear about is how you are going to wrap it up on takeoff or landing!
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As you walk up to the 109, one is at first struck by the small size of the aircraft, particularly if parked next to a contemporary American fighter (Personal Note: Although by itself, in FSX, it is hard to really see the true scale of the aircraft, if you park something like a P-47 or Corsair next to it, or even a Mustang, as I did, it really shrinks the aircraft down to size). Closer examination reveals a crazy-looking knock-kneed landing gear, a very heavily framed sideways-opening canopy with almost no forward view in the three-point attitude, a long rear fuselage and tiny tail surfaces. A walk-around reveals ingenious split radiator flaps, ailerons with a lot of movement, and rather odd-looking external mass balances. Also, there are those independently operating leading edge slats. These devices should glide open and shut on the ground with the pressure of a single finger. Other unusual features include the horizontal stabilizer doubling as the elevator trimmer and the complete absence of a rudder trim system. Overall, the combination is a strange mix of innovative and archaic.
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Climbing in, you have to be careful not to stand on the radiator flap, then lower yourself gently downward and forward, taking your weight by holding onto the windscreen. Once in, you are aware that you are almost laying down in the airplane – the position reminiscent of a racing car. The cockpit is very narrow and if you have broad shoulders (don’t all fighter pilots?) it is a tight squeeze. Once strapped in, itself a knuckle-rapping affair, you can take stock.
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There is no rudder trim, or rudder pedal adjust; also the seat can only be adjusted pre-flight and has the choice of only three settings. If you are any bigger than 6-ft tall, it’s all starting to get a bit confined. Normally, if you haven’t flown the 109 before, you get a clout on the head as you swing the heavy lid (canopy) over and down. Nobody sits that low in a fighter!” – Mark Hanna
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Takeoff -

<o:p></o:p>“Pretakeoff checks. Elevator trim set to +1-deg, no rudder trim, throttle friction tight. This is vital as I’m going to need to use my left hand for various services immediately after takeoff. Pitch fully fine and fuel quantity checked. Fuel/Oil cock is on, fuel boost pump on, pressure is good. Flaps crank down to 20-deg for takeoff. Rad flaps checked at full open; if we takeoff with them closed we will certainly boil the engine. Gyros set to runway heading. Instruments, temps and pressures all in the green for takeoff. Oxygen checked, hood rechecked down and locked, harness tight and secure, gear selector in down selection. Controls full and free, tailwheel locked.
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There’s no time to hang around and worry about the takeoff (rad temps heating up). Here we go. Power gently up and keep it coming smoothly up to takeoff power. It’s VERY noisy! Keep the tail down initially; keep it straight by feel rather than any positive technique. Tail coming up now. Unconscious corrections to the rudder are happening all the time. It’s incredibly entertaining to watch the 109 takeoff or land. The rudder literally flashes around! The alternative technique (rather tongue in cheek) is Walter Eichhorn’s of using full right rudder throughout the takeoff roll and varying the swing with throttle!
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The little fighter is now bucketing along, accelerating rapidly. As the tail lifts, there is a positive tendency to swing left – this can be checked easily however, although if you are really aggressive in lifting the tail, it is difficult to stop and happens very quickly. Now the tail’s up and you can see vaguely where you are going. It’s a rough, wild, buckety ride on grass; and with noise, smoke from the stacks, and the airplane bouncing around; it’s also very exciting!
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Quick glance at the ASI – 100-mph, slight check back on the stick and we’re flying. Hand off the throttle, select gear up. Quick look out at the wings and you see the slats fully out, starting to creep in as airspeed increases and the angle of attack reduces. One-hundred-thirty-mph and an immediate turn up and right onto the downwind leg, just in case I need to put the airplane down in a hurry. Our company SOP is to always fly an overhead orbit to the field to allow everything to stabilize before setting off – this has saved at least one of our airplanes.
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Start to frantically crank the flap up now, up the speeds, increasing through 150, power back to cruise power. Plenty of airflow through the narrow radiators now, so close them and remember to keep a careful eye on the coolant gauge for the next few minutes, until the temperature has settled down. With the rad flaps closed, the aircraft accelerates positively.” – Mark Hanna
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Without rudder trim, and with the fact that the rudder is set for the 109’s cruise speeds, you’ll usually have to carry right foot pressure, bleeding it off over time, until you reach cruise speeds, but it is easily done since the foot loads are very light. At cruise speeds, the aircraft shouldn’t need any rudder input.

mike_cyul

July 7th, 2012, 10:21

As far as I know, at 500 kph, there should actually be a tiny amount of left rudder required - but I don't know if FSX has allowed Bernt to model this, or he chose not to, to prevent undue user 'fatigue' in FSX. Both the 109 and 262 had longitudenal stability issues that were never really solved.

Here's an interesting page on flying the 109. It covers all variants, and so does not collectively apply to the 109K-4, although later model high-tailed G variants must have been similar. The thing I find the most interesting is the differences in opinion - meaning that there was quite a lot of room for subjective interpretation depending on the pilot and his abilities.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/

Mike

Bomber_12th

July 7th, 2012, 10:49

Thank you for that Mike! A ton of great quotes! I also enjoy reading about an aircraft from all different perspectives.

I'm sorry to continue to pollute this thread with posts of mine, but here are some videos of Bf-109's in action (in this case, all G-models) that I have always enjoyed viewing.

In this video, the well-known Bf-109G-2 "Black 6" was painted in temporary markings for a film. The pilot flying Bf-109G-10 "Black 2" is Mark Hanna, and I believe the pilot flying "Black 6" was Charlie Brown (another must-know pilot if you are into warbirds).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq21MLP8gYI

Another clip from the same film as above. (Note, in real life, you can get some further assistance when having to turn tightly on the ground.) : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlUTFi3cN00

Some footage of one of the three DB605 powered Bf-109G's flying in Germany, filmed at Hahnweide. I've always been amazed by the first landing in this film, seen about half-way through. Pilot is Walter Eichhorn, who is very likely the highest-time 109 pilot flying today - for instance, Mark Hanna mentions him in his pilot report from 1989/1990, when at the time he was already considered an expert 109 pilot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc)
Another video of the same aircraft and same pilot.
http://www.clipwings.com/index.php?command=show_video&video_id=101

Bf-109G-4 "Red 7", another of the three DB605 powered examples flying in Germany, flown by Wilhelm Heinz at Oppenheim in 2005.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIY3xXxckis

Bf-109G-10, "Black 2", the other example flying in Germany, is the closest of those flying today to the K-4, with the late canopy fitted and tall tail strut. The aircraft is being flown on this occasion by Walter Eichhorn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnpC_BcK7xY

"Black 6" and "Black 2" in the mid 90's. Note how much power is used while turning. A rather uniue moment at around 5:17, when "Black 6" taxies by the Mosqutio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NX-g4R3oZE

And this video is sort of a mix and match of different clips of 109's. What initiates as only the 0:06 mark, illustrates how much attention must be paid with these aircraft in flying them well, and it is a very experienced 109 pilot that had that happen to him during that display.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETgi6aQH0c

Barnes

July 7th, 2012, 13:10

My repaint is also now downloadable at SOH

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=3&linkid=13738

P38man

July 7th, 2012, 13:43

P38man

July 7th, 2012, 14:13

MD5 hash check confirms they are the same.

Reinstalled but no dice.

Testing other planes now.

EDIT - Nup they are all ok. Emailing Mike now.

mike_cyul

July 7th, 2012, 14:14

I checked those sounds in the Flight Replicas directory and none of them are working for me. My cockpit is completely silent.

Checked again today still have boxes with shooting as well.

I will download again and do an md5 check on both downloaded files and try a reinstall.

Thanks a lot for the reports John!

Yes, try an un-install first, then a reinstall. There have been no other reports of this, so it's a bit of a puzzle. If still no luck, contact me at the support address as it's easier for me to respond.

Mike

robert41

July 7th, 2012, 15:09

Hi Mike. Great product. Love these old German aircraft.
I too have the black square boxes when firing the guns.
No sound issues however.

Bomber_12th

July 7th, 2012, 15:36

Thank you Barnes! It is great to see Mike's paintkit being put to such good use so soon.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine.jpg

Ian Warren

July 7th, 2012, 15:53

In this video, the well-known Bf-109G-2 "Black 6" was painted in temporary markings for a film. The pilot flying Bf-109G-10 "Black 2" is Mark Hanna, and I believe the pilot flying "Black 6" was Charlie Brown (another must-know pilot if you are into warbirds).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq21MLP8gYI

Bf-109G-10, "Black 2", the other example flying in Germany, is the closest of those flying today to the K-4, with the late canopy fitted and tall tail strut. The aircraft is being flown on this occasion by Walter Eichhorn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnpC_BcK7xY

Fortunate to meet Mark Hanna at the Warbirds over Wanaka in 1996 were he displayed 'Black 2 ' , Thanks John for digging up these utube vid's , brilliant :cool: <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"><input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

Barnes , superb paint , best i get this one installed .

Ian Warren

July 7th, 2012, 16:12

Little artistic licence with gun cases , i follow the thread and check for the same issue with the little black box , all cool , wait for the dust to settle , iwas to have a MP last night but got Zero'd in so to speak :cool:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/2Custom-93.jpg
Gun test .... works fine .. now for a target , who's in ...
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/3Custom-87.jpg
It really is quite pretty ... now for the Muzzie's and Bolts
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/4Custom-68.jpg
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MudMarine

July 7th, 2012, 16:25

I wish all my 109 books weren't in storage! I have some really awesome reference material for paints!

mike_cyul

July 7th, 2012, 16:56

Hi Mike. Great product. Love these old German aircraft.
I too have the black square boxes when firing the guns.
No sound issues however.

I've had emails from the other two with the problem, and it's beginning to look like some kind of FSX bug, or something in the XML, or something similar. The fact that only a few have the problem (three that I'm aware of) is unusual. P38 has gunsmoke textures as black boxes one minute, the next they work fine and it's the shell casing that are black squares. For the other, it was only the machine guns casings as black squares, but when renaming the cannon case textures to the same name as the gun casing textures, it still didn't work. He also deleted the file all together and it stilled showed black squares for the machine gun casings. I've tried any number of other texture formats to see what that does, and the only ones that work are the ones in the package. Texture format as supplied in the 109 package is completely standard FSX.

Still looking into it. I'm going to go through the effects file. If worse comes to worse, I'll make a substitute effects file for those with the issue, that eliminates the shell casings, and see how that goes.

Mike

robert41

July 7th, 2012, 17:26

Hi Mike. Here are a couple of screenshots of what I have. Gun flashes, tracers, and smoke are ok. Only get the black squares when firing the cowl guns. No squares when firing the nose gun. This is no big concern to me. I prefer the flying rather than having working guns. Great work. Love it. Also, thanks for that web site on the 109.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n39/rm111/FSX/2012-7-7_19-46-8-186.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n39/rm111/FSX/2012-7-7_19-46-38-651.jpg

Hanimichal

July 7th, 2012, 20:19

I have black squares too

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5056/201277194721905.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/201277194721905.jpg/)

mike_cyul

July 7th, 2012, 21:09

If you happen to be one of the ones the black squares, please contact me at support@flight-replicas.com , you will be sent a new set of effect files that should cure the problem. These new effects have been incorporated into the 109K package, for all new purchasers, as of time of writing.

Thanks for your patience,

Mike

Barnes

July 7th, 2012, 23:09

Just starting this repaint - early days but wont take long.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-293.jpg

P38man

July 8th, 2012, 00:37

ok if I pull back the throttle and ease the nose up and at the point of stall with the stick all the way back I then put hard rudder on it doesn't spin at all .
(have to keep rudder on full)
also at speed when diving it is impossible to crash into the ground because it climbs mightily even with the stick all the way forward the whole time.

Anyone comment on these points?

Barnes

July 8th, 2012, 01:06

i can certainly crash it at high speed!! Have you checked your trim settings etc?

I cant comment on spinning as i have no torgue set as i fly helicopters so much and its not realistic.

Meanwhile i have made some more progress on this repaint - an hour more and it should be ready.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-994.jpg

P38man

July 8th, 2012, 01:30

Hey Barnes great repaint ! Thanks.

Maybe its my Saitek Multi-panel??? It can cause probs with the Aerosoft Catalina as well (have to upon start-up remember to put invisible flaps all the way up first).

Wait a sec......Yes that will be it I think ! I just remembered trim issue appears with Me108 from Classics hangars, I always adjust it before take-off (because of Saitek Multi-panel). This time with the 109 I just took off then climbed and dived without even looking at it even once. Thanks.

BTW the injection boost rocks !!! Chased a jumbo out of Kai-tak after diving and put boost on then it ran out after a short while. Loved that.

huub vink

July 8th, 2012, 02:07

Another great model Mike and a lovely repaint Barnes!

Cheers,
Huub

Barnes

July 8th, 2012, 04:55

Hi Please download this one from here https://www.cx.com/mycx/share/EaLv1sj8EeGynBICOASQIQ/Flight%20Replica%20BF109%20k4%20repaint%20Hartmann .zip
or from the SOH library.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-209.jpg

JIMJAM

July 8th, 2012, 07:18

mike_cyul

July 8th, 2012, 07:46

Just completed my first flight. Very frustrating to say the least. Would not start no matter what so I quit FSX. Came back later and noticed some additional sounds. Always a good idea to reboot or at least load a default a/c which I did not do. Did everything per the manual. Pulling out the starter does nothing so I cnt e which worked this time around.

Then that dam atis started running. Opened up the radio and changed freqs. Opened up the comm menu and changed to a local tower freq. Blindly clicked on the aircraft radio switches. For the life of me I cannot get atis to stop running :ques:. For now I have voice turned off in the menu but need help in shutting it off.

Btw- The plane is a handfull just like I like it. Full realism,dirt 2500 strip. First landing came in hot,perfect touchdown but weak brakes and a long touchdown = overshoot and into the trees.

Try and make sure you do not load the 109 into a saved flight that had a different aircraft in there. Sometimes FSX does not reset all the variables. And you are using Acceleration?

When using the inertial starter, magnetos must be on, and then after raising the cover (which signals your ground crew to start cranking the inertial starter flywheel) you must wait a few seconds until the noise of the starter reached full pitch (ie. full rpm) - then just click/pull the starter handle to start the engine, and if necessary click/push the handle back in and then close the cover.

A normal landing run in a Bf-109K-4 is approximately 2000', and that's without full fuel or full drop tank, and so a 2500' strip is always going to be a challenge! (Did you hear the brakes squeal when you came to a stop - because they will.) And as Bernt noted during testing, 109's were designed to fly into airfields with landing areas almost 500' feet wide - and so a narrow strip is going to take some good skills!

Mike

JIMJAM

July 8th, 2012, 08:14

I owned previous versions of the 109 but admit its been awhile. I never did see the battery switch indicated on the cockpit diagram but did remember where it was.
I built up a nice little field using scenery designer and its where I fly all my warbirds out of. 2500 dirt with trees "Thanks FSX" on both ends but at least they are offset and far enough off you can lift you feet and clear them.
I own most all the warbird propjobs but only the 190 seems to be more difficult to land on a short,narrow grass/dirt strip.

Erlk0enig

July 8th, 2012, 08:16

mike_cyul

July 8th, 2012, 08:40

This model looks really nice. Finally an FSX native 109!

How about the engine sounds, are they carried-over from the previous versions, or are they new? Simliar to the real thing? Is there a video where we can hear a bit of it?

Best Regards,
E.

It's been a while (been working on this for a few years!), but I believe the engine sounds are at a minimum remastered versions from those also used in the FS9 model. I did work on them, that I remember. The startup and initial running sounds are authentic DB605 sounds, and the rest matched to the sound of the real engines.

Mike

Barnes

July 8th, 2012, 09:02

Please download this repaint from here... ( or also from SOH libary)
https://www.cx.com/mycx/share/jUDG6skeEeGa_RICOA-R7w/Flight%20Replicas%20BF109%20k4%20Repaint%20Black15 .zip

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-214.jpg

stovall

July 8th, 2012, 09:19

UUUUUUUh!!! Another beauty. Off to download now. Thanks Barnes, you da man!!

Barnes

July 8th, 2012, 09:36

Thanks - im running out of credible reference now for K4s so that may be my last for now.

Barfly

July 8th, 2012, 09:37

The engine sounds really are a standout feature of this plane... Very rich and authentic sounding.

mike_cyul

July 8th, 2012, 11:35

There is one new texture available, if anyone is interested, one that didn't make it into the final cut but is now completed. Yellow 1 of JG 53, belonging to Lt. G. Landt.

You can download it here for a limited time: https://www.yousendit.com/download/QlVqa3ZIQVNENlJEZU1UQw

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff311/mike_cyul/fsscr032-1.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff311/mike_cyul/fsscr133.jpg

JIMJAM

July 8th, 2012, 11:42

mike_cyul

July 8th, 2012, 11:53

Still cannot kill ATIS from repeating over and over. Its the same freq/airport about 50 miles away. Ive heard this before but a simple freq swap fixes it. Any ideas?
Not that it matters but I cannot hear any inertia starting sound which is why I sat there clueless first flight. I just count to 4 and hit the starter.
Got my first few flights in other than not bleeding off speed as much as I was anticipating, she is a sweet plane. Coming in a little hot no biggie but later when I try to fly her home to my 2500 dirt strip I need to keep it tight and mind my speed.

It would help if you could answer this part of the previous answer: "Try and make sure you do not load the 109 into a saved flight that had a different aircraft in there. Sometimes FSX does not reset all the variables. And you are using Acceleration?"

You may also want to try an un-install and then a re-install, as clearly something is not sitting correctly in your setup. The radios are completely default FSX gauges, and so should be easy to adjust!

Mike

Daube

July 8th, 2012, 12:01

I don't know if it's due to the default flight, but I cannot switch the radios ON until I press CRTL+E.
Everything else seems to work perfect so far. The plane is really cool, but it's difficult to land ! Perhaps the most difficult in my hangar... (yes, I love it)

JIMJAM

July 8th, 2012, 12:07

EDIT -Solved- I think...... Loaded a Carenado 182,radios were off. I had to turn them on and verify sound. Then loaded the 109. No atis and radios work.

Made a new default flight,saved it with the 109. Yes accel and every addon known to man.

The radio popup seems to be ON and freq numbers change and I can swap them. Next I am going to load a default,cycle the radios and retry. Then a reinstall if needed.
Thanks for the help.
I will post a cure to this issue when I find it.

Also OT but a little info. I had Mytraffic loaded for years. Its bloated at over a gig and with HD space drying up, this morning I deleted it. I fly mostly Warbirds,fighters ect so I do not miss the brain dead ATC and kamikazi AI.
Anyways, my FSX initial load time was from 30 sec to a minute. Now its almost INSTANT!
Also my occasional stutters have been cured. Overall the sim seems smoother,fluid and near larger airports Fsx is not bogging down.

P38man

July 8th, 2012, 16:19

Is anyone interested in doing a repaint with the yellow nose?

I don't mind if it is strictly not correct, you see.

UnknownGuest12

July 8th, 2012, 16:20

Want this one, but will have to wait...
Just bought the Zero from Just Flight on a sale/half price.
Prices are going a little bit steep....can´t have them all....

P38man

July 8th, 2012, 16:25

Bomber_12th

July 8th, 2012, 19:15

I decided to practice my first hard surface landing and takeoff this evening, from Duxford's paved runway. It was great, as fortunately the 10-knot wind that was present was blowing fairly much straight down the runway.

I flew over to Audley End, just a short flight following the M11, which I enjoy to fly around, doing a few low buzzes - with the field situated atop a hill, it is fun to go low over the fields and then come up the hill over the airfield.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_4.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_6.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_7.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_8.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_9.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_10.jpg

Bomber_12th

July 8th, 2012, 19:16

Getting ready to put it away for the night:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Happy%20Jacks/one_o_nine_dux_12.jpg

Erlk0enig

July 8th, 2012, 21:39

Will it be available at simmarket? If yes, when :running:?

Hanimichal

July 8th, 2012, 22:56

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1739/tbsc517.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/232/tbsc517.jpg/)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5756/tbsc520.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/tbsc520.jpg/)
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Germany---Air/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G-2-(mock-up)/1821143/L/&sid=ffc712b9b5af5e5742b70fb0709e0855

P38man

July 9th, 2012, 00:10

Hanimichal - Wow that's WONDERFUL!!!

Beautiful job by both you (with this one) and Barnes (with his lovely repaint) I must say!

I thank you both.

OK about the stalls and spin I raised earlier.

Stalls and spins
- very very nasty flat ones, awesome and better than IL2-1946 as in very organic feeling rather than feeling the same every time. A blast!

Challenging to fly

One of the best ever planes in fsx for me.

stovall

July 9th, 2012, 05:23

Hanimichal, wonderful repaint of Lt. General Adolf Galland's Bf-109. Looking forward to adding it to my hanger. Great job.

mike_cyul

July 9th, 2012, 07:03

Will it be available at simmarket? If yes, when :running:?

Yes, the 109K will be available at SimMarket (and other vendors) in the near future, when I'm sure there will be no further updates needed.

Mike

Barnes

July 9th, 2012, 08:52

Its annoying that the 109Gs are much prettier and more plentiful than the "k"s - Mike - is it selling well enough to consider a "G" and "F" models??

mike_cyul

July 9th, 2012, 09:57

Its annoying that the 109Gs are much prettier and more plentiful than the "k"s - Mike - is it selling well enough to consider a "G" and "F" models??

When it comes to 109's, I prefer performance over plentiful. As for pretty, well, that's always in the eye of the beholder. :)

As for others, it's a little too soon to tell, and there other aircraft presently waiting in the wings (no pun intended!).

Mike

Daube

July 9th, 2012, 11:35

Hanimichal

July 9th, 2012, 12:09

General Adolf Galland paint finished and uploaded for sim-outhouse library

688716887268873

stovall

July 9th, 2012, 12:21

Thanks Hanimichal, I can stop biting my nails and download this beauty. Much appreciated.

CodyValkyrie

July 9th, 2012, 12:29

Got my copy of the software a few days ago and had a little time to try it out. I have family in town and we just celebrated our 4th of July on the 7th (our town hates to compete against other towns because we are so small. :D) Anyways, she flew great, looked great and had a real nice feel to it. I highly recommend this addon if you don't already have it folks. Mike, as always did a wonderful job on the aircraft. The mini-review was spot on about her capabilities. She climbs like a homesick angel and is advantageous in the areas I would expect the 109 to excel. Hat tipped sir to a job well done. Mike is a solid developer and one of the kindest developers I have met and his passion for his craft is evident in the aircraft. Keep on keeping on!

Smashing Time

July 9th, 2012, 20:49

I have to confess that I would have prefered the earlier variants of the 109 too. Mainly for the shape of the canopy. I prefer the old style canopies than the one on the 109, but it's just my personnal taste.
And in any case, this model is so good (in all aspects) that I enjoy it anyways.

Mike's earlier variants for FS9 work reasonably well in FSX. See his site.
I did these a few years ago for his donationware G version

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/SmashingBomb/hgraf4.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/SmashingBomb/schiln3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/SmashingBomb/hack2.jpg

Barnes

July 10th, 2012, 00:01

Hi - working on this repaint but with limited material to work from.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-1022.jpg

MudMarine

July 10th, 2012, 03:30

When it comes to 109's, I prefer performance over plentiful. As for pretty, well, that's always in the eye of the beholder. :)

As for others, it's a little too soon to tell, and there other aircraft presently waiting in the wings (no pun intended!).

Mike

I agree! The K model was the pinnacle of the series....sleek, smooth and fast! I love the F's and G's just as much, I even love all the bumps and blisters on the G. I'm sure some day, if we can wait, Mike may consider doing the F or G series 109's for FSX?! At least I hope so! Until then, I just like looking at my K.....so bad ass!

mike_cyul

July 10th, 2012, 05:04

As this was a question with the FS2004 Bf-109's, thought I'd report that the K should be available soon from SimMarket (already out), FlightSim Pilot Shop, PCAviator and SurClaro (although I see they haven't downloaded their packages yet),and Flight1 hasn't yet replied to the email.

Of these, SimMarket (by law), PC Aviator and FlightSim Pilot Shop have opted for the no-swastika packages - meaning that there are no historicaly accurate fins anywhere in the package. SurClaro has the historically accurate fins, with optional fin textures, as does the Flight Replicas store (obviously).

Just for your information. :)

Mike

Barnes

July 10th, 2012, 08:41

Please download this repaint from here or from SOH libary.

https://www.cx.com/mycx/share/uXbRJcqtEeGLdRICPRQ27A/Flight%20Replicas%20BF109%20k4%20desert%20Yellow%2 010.zip

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq119/GAJIT/wip-2268.jpg

RyanJames170

July 10th, 2012, 20:51

Of these, SimMarket (by law), PC Aviator and FlightSim Pilot Shop have opted for the no-swastika packages - meaning that there are no historicaly accurate fins anywhere in the package. SurClaro has the historically accurate fins, with optional fin textures, as does the Flight Replicas store (obviously).

Just for your information. :)

Mike

why i bought it directly from you mike

Hanimichal

July 10th, 2012, 21:59

Walter 'Graf Punski' Krupinski 68978 68979 68980

MudMarine

July 11th, 2012, 06:06

Anyone.....Gunther Rall, Black 13? Please!

Barnes

July 11th, 2012, 08:23

Anyone.....Gunther Rall, Black 13? Please!

Sorry Mud - im sticking to Ks not G versions at the moment.

MudMarine

July 11th, 2012, 12:44

Sorry Mud - im sticking to Ks not G versions at the moment.

No problem. Historical accuracy isn't something I care a lot about in FSX (G or K). I save accuracy for real history.

mike_cyul

July 12th, 2012, 12:38

Update: This repaint, White 1 of JG 4, as found by US forces at the end of the war, plus the Yellow 1 repaint of Lt. Gűnther Landt's aircraft, are now available on the Downloads page of the Flight Replicas website: http://www.flight-replicas.com/Downloads.htm

There are also the alternate fin texures for all the schemes in the release package.

Mike

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff311/mike_cyul/White_4.jpg

stovall

July 12th, 2012, 13:59

Looks like a winner to me Mike, I would love to have it. Make it easy on yourself, I can wait till it is available on the Flight Replica website. Wonderful aircraft to fly.

mike_cyul

July 12th, 2012, 14:08

Looks like a winner to me Mike, I would love to have it. Make it easy on yourself, I can wait till it is available on the Flight Replica website. Wonderful aircraft to fly.

Sorry Tom, looks as if you were writing at the same time I was updating the post to say the textures are now on the website! :blind:

Mike

Ian Warren

July 12th, 2012, 14:45

Hanimichal

July 12th, 2012, 15:13

@Mike I like it all

@Ian good thought

Black 13 is coming

69070 69071 69072 69073

And General Adolf Galland paint has already been modified 69074

MudMarine

July 12th, 2012, 16:38

@Mike I like it all

@Ian good thought

Black 13 is coming

69070 69071 69072 69073

And General Adolf Galland paint has already been modified 69074

AWESOME!! TY!

robert41

July 12th, 2012, 17:06

Thanks Mike.

mike_cyul

July 12th, 2012, 17:11

Hey Mike a thought , maybe invite Barnes , Hanimichal and the others to have your site hosting these paints ? a one stop Messerschmitt shop :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input id="jsProxy" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" type="hidden" jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()">

Nice idea, but that's one I'll leave for the library professionals. I had partially done these, and just wanted to get them out there for anyone who might like them. I'll also try and find the time to get them uploaded to the SOH library.

Mike

Ian Warren

July 12th, 2012, 20:24

Guys , Mike Cheers , Least we got the ball rolling with all these wicked paints , now to see how the weekend takes to Messerschmitt Mania :wavey:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

Hanimichal

July 12th, 2012, 21:01

Black 13 GENERAL GÜNTHER RALL'S uploaded

69106 69107 69108

Ian Warren

July 12th, 2012, 21:16

:cool:Thanks Hanimichal :applause: It is very interesting to listen to Gunther speak on his experiences from the the very early interviews to the last .... Great piece of work! :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

dvj

July 13th, 2012, 15:42

Black 13 GENERAL GÜNTHER RALL'S uploaded

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for some reason I could not get this model to appear in FSX. nice work however.

flaviossa

July 13th, 2012, 16:30

dvj,
in the package zip look at the name of the folder "texture. Black 13 GENERAL GÜNTHER RALL'S". Look that there is a space right after the text "texture."
Take the space out and the repaint will show in fsx. :salute:

Hanimichal

July 13th, 2012, 16:49

for some reason I could not get this model to appear in FSX. nice work however.

Flaviossa said right

My bad

flaviossa

July 13th, 2012, 17:23

By the way, beautiful repaint Hanimichal. Thanks for that! :ernae:

dvj

July 13th, 2012, 21:45

Flaviossa said right

My bad
That fixed it. Hey, there are bullet holes!

dvj

July 14th, 2012, 09:26

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Hanimichal

July 14th, 2012, 12:57

Thanks everyone, I'm glad to like my paintings.And thanks to Mike for this "precious" add-on

newcomer

July 14th, 2012, 13:59

I suggest two small modifications within the aircraft.cfg:

1.
[General]
atc_type=messerschmitt (instead of experimental)
atc_model=
editable=1
performance=\nMax Speed:\n378 mph @SL\n452 mph @ 24,606 ft \nClimb rate: 4820ft\/ min\nService Ceiling: 41010' \nRange: 366 miles \n\
Category=airplane

2. add some camera definitions
[CameraDefinition.0]
Title = "Lead Chase"
Guid = {6821d47b-2946-4a7b-9cb4-42fb341907e5}
Description =
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = TRUE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = TrackBank
ShowAxis = False
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 0.0, 2.0, 25.0
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 0
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum
ChaseDistance = 20
ChaseHeading = 0
ChaseAltitude = 0

[CameraDefinition.2]
Title = "Free"
Guid = {3e39d624-9c23-41db-a4f8-2bb01e17d66d}
Description = Distant Fly-by
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = FlyBy
ShowAxis = False
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 3.0
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 10.0, 10.0, 10.0
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 0
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=False
ClipMode=Minimum
ChaseDistance = 30
ChaseHeading = 5
ChaseAltitude = -5
ChaseTime = 15

[CameraDefinition.3]
Title = "Nose"
Guid = {854A8AEE-2C8E-11E1-B945-30724824019B}
Description =
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .30
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 0, 0.0, 7.0
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 180
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.4]
Title = "Port"
Guid = {AD85AC6E-2C8E-11E1-962B-68724824019B}
Description =
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.70
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -11, 1.5, -2.35
InitialPbh = 10, 0, 75
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect = TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.5]
Title = "Trail"
Guid = {C43C1A42-2C8E-11E1-B289-90724824019B}
Description =
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 1.04
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -6.5, 3.8, -18.0
InitialPbh = 7.5, 0, 15
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.6]
Title = "Starboard"
Guid = {2FA6D948-2C8F-11E1-8B67-34734824019B}
Description =
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.60
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 6.0, 0.0, 4.5
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 238
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect = TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.7]
Title = "Left Front"
Guid = {7BA31F68-C224-42cd-AF65-20D1B09BBDB7}
Description = Looking towards pilot's cockpit from left front
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -10.5, .4, 10.5
InitialPbh = 03, 0, 135
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.8]
Title = "Right Front"
Guid = {7BA31F68-C224-42cd-AF65-20D1B09BBDB6}
Description = Looking towards pilot's cockpit from Right front
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 10.5, .4, 10.5
InitialPbh = 03, 0, 225
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

Hanimichal

July 15th, 2012, 17:15

@newcomer good suggestion

And here another repaint
"Red 1" flown by Werner Schroer

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Akatsuki

July 15th, 2012, 17:49

Nice repaint !

Ian Warren

July 15th, 2012, 18:16

Thanks Hani :salute: , another superb paint .. :cool: ... I do notice an MP going on give us a knock on ya door for the next one . <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"><input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"><input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

P38man

July 15th, 2012, 18:30

Newcomer...thanks will try those new views!

huub vink

July 16th, 2012, 11:51

I didn't know if I should post these screenies here or in the screenshot threat.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Bf109K_a1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Bf109K_a2a.jpg

Ian Warren

July 16th, 2012, 14:31

Huub , Seems to be the appropriate site for Screenies :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

baernhard

July 17th, 2012, 00:18

Design study ...

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Daube

July 17th, 2012, 01:06

Whooooo this one looks nice !!

Ian Warren

July 17th, 2012, 03:37

Design study ...

Now that is SPECTACULAR ! :cool: .. :wavey:over here ,, send it it this way <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

Akatsuki

July 17th, 2012, 07:50

Design study ...

Oh yes yes yes, i want that one !:applause:

baernhard

July 17th, 2012, 13:06

Thanks to all :salute:.
The Upload is done.
Please have a look at FLIGHTSIM.COM, tomorrow or so.

Ian Warren

July 17th, 2012, 14:18

Thanks Baernhard :applause: Looking forward to it, Instead of the Swiss Alps , guess it may have to be NZ's Southern Alps :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

ZsoltB

July 18th, 2012, 01:14

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/166/22290412.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2982/74161313.jpg

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6346/72144578.jpg

huub vink

July 18th, 2012, 04:03

Nice repaint Zsolt and beautiful screenshots.

Cheers,
Huub

Ian Warren

July 18th, 2012, 04:20

Sweet , thanks Zsolt :cool: , I really want to pit this against an A2A Mustang or Thunderbolt in a multiplay .. choreographed and screened , be great fun :cool: (http://isearch.avg.com/search?sap=hp&lang=en&mid=69804c012bcd93fd1d3a4aa1d3cdaa3e-4561073abbf100968b00df5a3e487161ffeac764&cid=%7b4aaaece0-7f6e-40c5-8d00-b5731307602e%7d&v=11.1.0.12&ds=avg&d=5%2f14%2f2012+8%3a31%3a55+pm&pr=fr&snd=did&q=choreographed)<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

robert41

July 18th, 2012, 15:09

Excellent repaints. Thanks everyone.

Ian Warren

July 18th, 2012, 23:57

Flight Replicas ME109 , Swiss paint by Bernhard B-)
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/1Custom-108.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/2Custom-95.jpg

:cool:
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P38man

July 19th, 2012, 00:36

Great paint !

Thanks Baernhard :applause:

Hanimichal

July 20th, 2012, 16:19

Texture blue H s

oon in download section

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Special attention for the wings from VC vision

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flaviossa

July 20th, 2012, 16:59

Amazing work!

Ian Warren

July 20th, 2012, 18:03

Achtung Achtung ... turn the nav's off... veer going in , Thanks Barnes and Hani :cool:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/3-9.jpg
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Mathias

July 21st, 2012, 00:03

Great shot, Ian, and great repaints!
The lowest aircraft has the swastika reversed. :icon_eek:

mike_cyul

July 21st, 2012, 00:35

Yes, I was wondering how a paint scheme that came with the package managed to get reversed?

Mike

Mathias

July 21st, 2012, 00:54

Murphy's law?

Ian Warren

July 21st, 2012, 03:52

Great shot, Ian, and great repaints!
The lowest aircraft has the swastika reversed. :icon_eek:
Old 'Hogan Hero's' trick :icon_lol:, that caught the eye of another @ NZFF .... DOH

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Yes, I was wondering how a paint scheme that came with the package managed to get reversed?

Murphy's law? ... should be a law using photoshop :sleep: i really was ,

huub vink

July 21st, 2012, 04:16

It is okay in the original package....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Bf109K_a3.jpg

Ian Warren

July 21st, 2012, 04:33

Cheers , Thanks Huub ... :wavey: Silly me doing screenies and gluing them together :icon_lol:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

flaviossa

July 21st, 2012, 04:35

Nice screens!

Mathias

July 21st, 2012, 05:48

LOL!
Didn't catch that the whole ship is mirrored. :icon_lol:

Hanimichal

July 22nd, 2012, 18:18

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baernhard

July 23rd, 2012, 05:23

Tomorrow at FLIGHTSIM ...

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:wavey:

Hanimichal

July 23rd, 2012, 05:37

Tomorrow at FLIGHTSIM ...

69606

:wavey:

Impressive! as the high contrast is awesome! maybe i should paint at this way!?

MartinM

July 24th, 2012, 03:34

FYI

Swiss Air Force Paint Schema can be acquired here
http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/de/home/dokumentation/books/farbgebung.html

Cheers
Martin

Barvan40

July 24th, 2012, 05:26

Impressive! as the high contrast is awesome! maybe i should paint at this way!?

Your repaints are great the way they are! The high contrast paints are interesting but they just do not look very realistic. They make the aircraft look too much like a scale model instead of the actual thing.</SPAN>
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It reminds me of some of the work you see at a scale modeling contest. Impressive at first glance, but when you take a closer look and compare it to photographs of the actual object you realize that it does not resemble anything found in the real world.</SPAN>

baernhard

July 24th, 2012, 10:31

We will unfortunately never come together.
Aircraft that are fresh from a paint shop and are polished like a mirror, are not my thing.

In my opinion:
Planes are exposed for years to wind and weather - dust and dirt.
The aircraft are camouflaged and hidden in the ground -
should look like this.
In certain times, the soldiers and airmen determined had other problems than the look of their aircraft.

I see no possibility (with my Photoshop skills) to represent this on other way.
In principle: scale models - you're right.

Even if you ignored all this:
clean, smooth planes, without the slightest blemish -
I find boring - they look all the same - sorry.

Of course, I can be wrong. So - my paints are only a offer.

Greetings
Bernhard

Ian Warren

July 24th, 2012, 15:13

:cool:Thanks Bernhard , I'm Hungary for a Messerschmitt , installing now , Superb work :wavey:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

Hanimichal

July 24th, 2012, 15:41

More 3 uploaded

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Daube

July 25th, 2012, 01:36

Wow ! All these latest paints look simply fantastic :jump:

greenie

July 25th, 2012, 01:56

Thanks Hanimichal, flying your first paint , looks very good . Now to DL the other paints :)

ErnstF

July 26th, 2012, 10:09

Thank You Hanimichal, your paintings are works of art :applause:

Hanimichal

July 26th, 2012, 13:19

Thank you all guys

baernhard

July 26th, 2012, 22:34

Thank you, Ian :ernae:.

Ian Warren

July 27th, 2012, 14:31

Or a Mustang B-) , it amazing reading the development history of the K model , and it performance was as good and in many respects better than .....
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/5Custom-58.jpg
both allied fighter is was designed to encounter ... the Spitfire Mk14 and the P-51 .. it could out climb both , very similar to the G10 model that was in NZ in 1996
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/6Custom-47.jpg
A posting i did at www.nzff.org with this 109 over Wobblyville ( ex-Christchurch ) Have a couple great books on the 'K' development by Prien and Rodeike , full of Messerschitts F, Gs and Ks .

ottor

July 28th, 2012, 23:22

mike_cyul

July 29th, 2012, 07:04

I'm having trouble getting the RPM down to 1800 in the cruise with MP of 1atm, flying at about 6000m. Am I missing a trick? I admit I'm confused by the RPM vs prop pitch adjustment in this aircraft. I haven't got a clue what the prop pitch gauge is trying to tell me, it seems to have a mind of its own!
thanks,
ottor

I've sent an email to Bernt directing him to this thread, regarding the rpm/atm/alt. Don't quite know where he is in the world presently or his schedule, but I'm sure he'll answer when he can. Regarding the prop pitch, this gauge is somewhat of a mystery in real life, as obtaining info is particularly difficult. Warwick (Wozza) did a lot of work to try and get it to do what he estimated it's descriptive function was. It does represent blade angles at relative rpm, but specifically how to interpret that would appear to leave room for interpretation.

Mike

Mathias

July 29th, 2012, 07:29

Think of it as a clock. 10 minutes on the German prop gauge equal 1° of prop pitch while flat pitch (most likely 15°) would be calibrated to 11:30 or 12:00 depending on aircraft.

Steven190

July 29th, 2012, 09:05

Here is my WIP, I only get a few hours per week to work on it.

This is Martin Deskau "Yellow 1" of II/JG3

Everything so far is at 100% values

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Steven190/WIP.jpg

bstolle

July 29th, 2012, 11:10

I'm having trouble getting the RPM down to 1800 in the cruise with MP of 1atm, flying at about 6000m.

The 109 FDE is a rather old one and I don't have my development and performance data anymore, hence I don't know if that's a valid RPM/MP combination, but from a FDE POV there's nothing in the air/cfg file which would prevent the RPM to be reduced as much as necessary.

Ian Warren

July 29th, 2012, 13:22

Looking good Steven :cool:, see if i can dig up a photo , be only B/w tho
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ottor

July 29th, 2012, 19:04

The 109 FDE is a rather old one and I don't have my development and performance data anymore, hence I don't know if that's a valid RPM/MP combination, but from a FDE POV there's nothing in the air/cfg file which would prevent the RPM to be reduced as much as necessary.

Thanks for your reply Bernt. I was incorrect about the 1800 rpm, the checklist in the manual gives cruise settings as 1 atm with prop at 2000 to 2100rpm. Just in case it may mean something to you here is a screengrab of the numbers I'm seeing. Note that the prop rpm shown in my test gauge is close to those numbers, however the tachometer gauge in the cockpit shows a higher reading - perhaps that is displaying engine rpm? I also saw that the prop efficiency curves in the .air file are defined between 15 and 40 degrees - does fsx extrapolate those curves to 85 degrees?

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Regardless, I'm still enjoying the plane! Thanks to all who have taken an interest in my (perceived) problem.

Cheers

Wozza

July 29th, 2012, 19:52

Thanks for your reply Bernt. I was incorrect about the 1800 rpm, the checklist in the manual gives cruise settings as 1 atm with prop at 2000 to 2100rpm. Just in case it may mean something to you here is a screengrab of the numbers I'm seeing. Note that the prop rpm shown in my test gauge is close to those numbers, however the tachometer gauge in the cockpit shows a higher reading - perhaps that is displaying engine rpm? I also saw that the prop efficiency curves in the .air file are defined between 15 and 40 degrees - does fsx extrapolate those curves to 85 degrees?

Regardless, I'm still enjoying the plane! Thanks to all who have taken an interest in my (perceived) problem.

Cheers
Hi
Are you running in auto pitch or manual? as the gauge I did for auto pitch control was AFAIK never properly calibrated, the figure in there were just ball parkish
cheers
Wozza

P38man

July 29th, 2012, 20:00

Thanks for your reply Bernt. I was incorrect about the 1800 rpm, the checklist in the manual gives cruise settings as 1 atm with prop at 2000 to 2100rpm. Just in case it may mean something to you here is a screengrab of the numbers I'm seeing. Note that the prop rpm shown in my test gauge is close to those numbers, however the tachometer gauge in the cockpit shows a higher reading - perhaps that is displaying engine rpm? I also saw that the prop efficiency curves in the .air file are defined between 15 and 40 degrees - does fsx extrapolate those curves to 85 degrees?

69897

Regardless, I'm still enjoying the plane! Thanks to all who have taken an interest in my (perceived) problem.

Cheers

Hey Ottor what's that list thingy? Is it downloadable?

bstolle

July 29th, 2012, 20:28

1.Note that the prop rpm shown in my test gauge is close to those numbers, however the tachometer gauge in the cockpit shows a higher reading - perhaps that is displaying engine rpm?
2.I also saw that the prop efficiency curves in the .air file are defined between 15 and 40 degrees - does fsx extrapolate those curves to 85 degrees?

1. No, that's prop RPM being displayed. The performance is correct for the mentioned RPM displayed on the RPM gauge in the VC.
Your test flight gauge is showing different numbers due to various FSX limitations. It's not uncommon to cheat by using different numbers internally to achieve realistic behaviour/performance.
2. No it doesn't extrapolate. That's why there are different numbers on your test flight gauge and the RPM gauge. Back then I didn't use custom prop curves so we had to come up with a different solution.

ottor

July 29th, 2012, 21:19

1. No, that's prop RPM being displayed. The performance is correct for the mentioned RPM displayed on the RPM gauge in the VC.
Your test flight gauge is showing different numbers due to various FSX limitations. It's not uncommon to cheat by using different numbers internally to achieve realistic behaviour/performance.
2. No it doesn't extrapolate. That's why there are different numbers on your test flight gauge and the RPM gauge. Back then I didn't use custom prop curves so we had to come up with a different solution.

Thanks for the explanation Bernt. You understand these things much better than I.:)

Hey Ottor what's that list thingy? Is it downloadable?

P38man it's just a little xml gauge I put together. If you'd like it, pm me and I'll email it to you.

Hi
Are you running in auto pitch or manual? as the gauge I did for auto pitch control was AFAIK never properly calibrated, the figure in there were just ball parkish
cheers
Wozza

Hi Wozza, I'm pretty sure I tried it in both settings. I have a feeling it is in auto on that screenshot. I'll take better note of it next time I fly.

Thank you all for your replies.

Cheers

ottor

P38man

July 29th, 2012, 22:53

Hey otter....thanks I would like the gauge !

However the PM system won't allow me to PM you.

Maybe you don't have enough posts or have disabled it ?

You could just post the XML text here I guess as an attached file?

Steven190

July 30th, 2012, 03:49

Looking good Steven :cool:, see if i can dig up a photo , be only B/w tho
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I am using the photo and color plate from the Monagram book series of Luftwaffe color chips. If you want I will upload it. I usually just keep them. I may be done this weekend if time permits.

Ian Warren

July 30th, 2012, 13:56

If you want I will upload it. I usually just keep them. I may be done this weekend if time permits.
Yes , by all means , upload it when you are finished and happy with it .. we need all the 109s we can get :salute:

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JIMJAM

July 30th, 2012, 19:40

Well its taken me 3 days but Ive got 3/4 of FSX reinstalled after a HD failure.

Need some tips on handling this bird. I am a rw pilot with alot in taildraggers but the 109 is a handfull and the most tricky in my stable. I usually take off 1/2 fuel with ext dropped. My problem is premature liftoff. I think the poh says use flaps but I am now trying none. Also, am I correct in seeing -1 as all the nose down trim that you can get?
My trim on my Saitek is set on a hat switch and forward= nose down,back=nose up. All I can get pushing forwards is -1 or just 1 increment.
Anyways, even stick fowards I am getting mushy before the tail lifts much. Wheels off the deck before I want them and usually dangerously drop a wing. Only the engine's muscle and low fuel weight saves me. Tips? Do I need to fly with 100% fuel less the drop tank to add some weight?

bstolle

July 30th, 2012, 22:45

1.I think the poh says use flaps but I am now trying none.
2. Also, am I correct in seeing -1 as all the nose down trim that you can get?
3.Anyways, even stick fowards I am getting mushy before the tail lifts much.
4.Do I need to fly with 100% fuel less the drop tank to add some weight?

1. With flaps up it's even more difficult to get the tail up.
2. If you are really using -1 you are actually trimming the plane tail heavy instead of nose heavy! +1 is full nose down and needed! That would explain your difficulties.
3. With full forward stick applied as soon as the ASI starts indicating (>110km/h 60kts) the tail comes up immediately.
4. At minimum weight (10% fuel) the tail comes up even earlier and there's no danger of a premature lift off either.

Nevertheless, check if your realism sliders are at max (fully to the right)

JIMJAM

July 31st, 2012, 05:47

Thanks for the detailed reply and also the wonderful aircraft. My first real paying job flying was draggin banners up and down Myrtle Beach in Cubs late 80s. Even stripped down and squeezing every bit of HP the Cub would muster,snagging a banner on a 100 degree day would raise your blood pressure. Add in a nasty cross wind and the intercoastal waterway just a few hundred feet away, its was a tough way to build hours.
I enjoy a challenge and must admit I jump around from planes,helis,jets so much I am only really proficent in a few. Some like this 109 require you to spend some ass in the seat. Another aircraft that I also humbled me was the F-104 Starfighter. Currently I run realism 100%,sensitive, Saitek X52 stick and rudder settings,no little deadzone and look forward to taming this little devil. I made my first "no bounce" landing last night which did not require a full stall and it brought a smile to my face which is what all this is really all about.:salute:

Hanimichal

July 31st, 2012, 06:17

69980 69981

Ian Warren

July 31st, 2012, 11:45

Crikey Hani :cool:, that first screen is almost the same as the cover of one off my Messerschimitt books .. i'll scan the cover later and post :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

Yossarian1943

August 1st, 2012, 12:52

mike_cyul

August 1st, 2012, 17:36

Bought the Kurfuerst yesterday. Lovely model. But I have some issues.

1. Turning the radiator flap control handle to "Zu - closed", the flaps are opening, switching them to "Auf - Open" the flaps are closed.
2. The low fuel warning light is inoperable?
3. The oil cooler has no radiator flap?

But really love this plane, it's a real challenge to fly it.:salute:

Hi Yossarian,

1. This might be my error - I had the meanings mixed up, and although Bernt later gave me the correct translations, I can't remember if I updated the gauge code (the perils of having a year-and-a-half break in the middle of a project). I will look into this. Until then, perhaps assume some factory worker sabotage....
2. Yes, the fuel light works, but only at very low fuel (approx 3%), which is different than what is in the gauge code. I suspect this may be a bug.
3. Oil cooler flap: is there one in real life? This has always been a mystery to me, as I have never seen a factory drawing that shows one. In my Messerschmitt factory drawing that shows all the moving surfaces and their degrees and tolerances on the 109K aircraft, including the four coolant surfaces, there is no mention of an oil cooler flap. And as no photos I could find show one, I have just gone with the assumption that there wasn't one. The Flight Replicas late-109 FS2004 models have been out for a number of years, and no one ever mentioned this, either. However, if there was one on the real K, I'll be happy to put one there!:)

Mike

Yossarian1943

August 1st, 2012, 19:04

Hi Yossarian,

1. This might be my error - I had the meanings mixed up, and although Bernt later gave me the correct translations, I can't remember if I updated the gauge code (the perils of having a year-and-a-half break in the middle of a project). I will look into this. Until then, perhaps assume some factory worker sabotage....
2. Yes, the fuel light works, but only at very low fuel (approx 3%), which is different than what is in the gauge code. I suspect this may be a bug.
3. Oil cooler flap: is there one in real life? This has always been a mystery to me, as I have never seen a factory drawing that shows one. In my Messerschmitt factory drawing that shows all the moving surfaces and their degrees and tolerances on the 109K aircraft, including the four coolant surfaces, there is no mention of an oil cooler flap. And as no photos I could find show one, I have just gone with the assumption that there wasn't one. The Flight Replicas late-109 FS2004 models have been out for a number of years, and no one ever mentioned this, either. However, if there was one on the real K, I'll be happy to put one there!:)

Mike

Here´s a link for the Bf 109 G10 Black 2. Have a close look to the oil cooler.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kogo59/4030074248/sizes/o/in/photostream/

I´m sure even the late Kurfürst where equipped with an oil cooler flap.

Another pic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/juwisan/5904983907/sizes/l/in/photostream/

And here you can have a look inside. In my opinion we see the cooling flap and the control.

The picture shows a DB 605 mounted in a BF 109 G6.

http://www.bredow-web.de/ILA_2008/alte_Flugzeuge/Messerschmitt_Bf_109_G-10/a_Messerschmitt_Bf_109_-_Motor.jpg

But you are right. It's hard to find a good cutaway showing the oil cooler.

I also don't know, how it was controlled. I think automatically.

Cheers :guinness:

Edit: Have a look to Position 39 on this cutaway.

http://www.valka.cz/galerie5/data/656/Bf-109.JPG

Yossarian1943

August 1st, 2012, 19:50

Just posted some questions for oil cooler and oil cooler control to the German "Flugzeugforum" - Bf 109 thread. Hope to get reply soon.

Ian Warren

August 1st, 2012, 21:43

Lovely photos , Black 2 changed a little since it was in new Zealand .
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Maury2008

August 2nd, 2012, 02:31

Hi Yossarian,

2. Yes, the fuel light works, but only at very low fuel (approx 3%), which is different than what is in the gauge code. I suspect this may be a bug.

Mike

The fuel light don't work if the plane is load with the generator off.There is no generator switch in the cockpit, so you must load a flight with this set to on

joe bob

August 2nd, 2012, 04:54

I am one of those obsessive types who sweats the numbers.
What would the max continuous power setting be

Also at altitude the rpm rises while the MP drops. What would the max rpm be in this situation?

Yossarian1943

August 2nd, 2012, 05:07

mike_cyul

August 2nd, 2012, 05:39

Hi,

The "Oelkuehlerabluftklappe" - oil cooler flap was driven automatically via thermostat.

On your trim gauge the scaling is from +1 to -6. Normally the scaling was +2 to -6. When I trim down, the scaling shows plus, when trimming up it goes to minus?

I will inform you if I get news about this from the German forum.

Cheers:icon29:

Looking forward to hearing about the oil flap.

The info for the K trim says +1 only (actually +1.10, plus or minus .10 degree).

The - and + are the angle of the stabiliser. A positive angle of the stabliser will push the nose down.

Mike

Yossarian1943

August 2nd, 2012, 05:59

Looking forward to hearing about the oil flap.

The info for the K trim says +1 only (actually +1.10, plus or minus .10 degree).

The - and + are the angle of the stabiliser. A positive angle of the stabliser will push the nose down.

Mike

Oh, thanks! Didn't know that!:salute:

Ian Warren

August 3rd, 2012, 15:39

Following Baernhard and Hani's example , Yellow 6 of JG53
The ME109 K4 being the last variant , Yellow 6 of Jagdegeschwader 53 'Pic as' based at Kirrlach in March 1945 , the defence of the Reich in the last stages of WWII
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/7Custom-30.jpg
Be a lot of fun to pit this against the other recent released allied fighters in a MP after reading performances between the types.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/8Custom-21.jpg
This aircraft will be posted tomorrow at flightsim.com .
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flaviossa

August 3rd, 2012, 16:04

Another beauty repaint! Thanks Mr. Ian :ernae:

huub vink

August 4th, 2012, 01:52

Very nice repaint Ian, but the swastika on the right hand side is reversed.

Cheers,
Huub

Ian Warren

August 4th, 2012, 02:33

Thanks Huub ;), this time a little cock up on my part , easy to fix .... i may just go over the paint again and double double check :cool: .... what was i thinking <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"><input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

Hanimichal

August 4th, 2012, 16:05

Hey Ian awesome repaint
I'm waiting to be available for download

Steven190

August 5th, 2012, 08:13

Work about done. will upload soon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Steven190/Deskau.jpg

Hanimichal

August 5th, 2012, 16:51

Work about done. will upload soon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Steven190/Deskau.jpg

I'll added this to my hangar too

............

And here other mine
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Ian Warren

August 8th, 2012, 23:09

:eek:Hani , a Swiss 109 over Lyttleton Banks Peninsular , :cool:, Give me a Nudge over at NZFF and i'll post ya updates , works brilliant with ORBX NZSI .. Be nice to have you join us , we even have a good matey coming in from the UK next week , be nice to have you join us online (TS3) for a chat :cool: , all more than welcome to join us , be great for the ME109 fans .. and be great to meet you all . :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

Hanimichal

August 10th, 2012, 19:14

Hanimichal

August 20th, 2012, 09:29

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Chunk

August 20th, 2012, 10:05

That is BEAUTIFUL!

Hanimichal

August 20th, 2012, 18:04

more

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Hanimichal

August 23rd, 2012, 11:51

Added pack with 6 paints for the library

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Chunk

August 23rd, 2012, 12:46

Thank you, they're outstanding!

Daube

August 23rd, 2012, 12:54

Beautiful repaints, Hanimichal !! :ernae:

Ian Warren

August 23rd, 2012, 13:59

God elp us when Mike dose the Gastav :icon_lol: Hani would swamp this site with 109s :cool:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setT imeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

Hanimichal

August 23rd, 2012, 15:34

Hanimichal

August 27th, 2012, 19:55

thunder100

August 28th, 2012, 01:53

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(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/88/201282715716841.jpg/)

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Michal

Just tiny ammenment to a great repaint and a great fighter pilot.It is Erich Alfred „Bubi“ Hartmann not just Erich Alfred „Bubi“

Other then this big thanks on your work

Roland

Hanimichal

August 28th, 2012, 03:42

Michal

Just tiny ammenment to a great repaint and a great fighter pilot.It is Erich Alfred „Bubi“ Hartmann not just Erich Alfred „Bubi“

Other then this big thanks on your work

Roland

Yes you're right, sorry for that.
In my haste I "copy / Paste" wrong

But now i can't to fix it,
and already I uploaded to FlightSim and Simviation :-(

Yossarian1943

August 18th, 2014, 11:13

Ian Warren

August 18th, 2014, 15:14

Crikey two years have gone quick ! we are so spoiled with all these paints and have not had a chance to really study them, don't think there has been an update but must re-install this one.

joe bob

August 18th, 2014, 16:19

Ian Warren

August 18th, 2014, 19:34

I have been meaning to ask, what is the story behind the numbers that look like they have been somewhat crudely spray painted on just forward of the empennage?
When this was first released I thought it might be a one off field expedient but I have seen so many repaints with it since then I have begun to wonder.

This was was done simply just to give the aircraft an identity , straight from the factory to the front in last months off WWII , this was was done to many other types FW190/Ta-152 for example , no time for stencil painting - just the quick spray and done .

jankees

August 19th, 2014, 01:30

since we are talking about the K, I did a paint for it not too long ago, Ingeborg (http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4826-flight-replicas-messerschmitt-bf-109k-jg3-yellow-4/) of JG3:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Me109/ss12566.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/Me109/ss12566.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Me109/ss12571.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/Me109/ss12571.jpg.html)

Ian Warren

August 19th, 2014, 04:13

ME revival , in the research it amazing how many different aircraft were glued together so to speak , these wicked paints portrait in tails wings and in a sense the urgency to get them flying , with the resurrection of this thread I pulled booked of the shelf again , one fun subject .

jankees

August 19th, 2014, 04:24

revival?
In that case a few more pics:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/ss3697.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/ss3727.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/ss3611.jpg

Hanimichal

August 19th, 2014, 06:29

i like this bird !
Now waiting for the release of IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad to see how it goes

For now only with FSX

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/19/8p7bQ.jpg

olderndirt

August 19th, 2014, 17:14

Went looking at FlightSim and Simviation - no joy, yet. Will they be uploaded here?

WarHorse47

August 19th, 2014, 18:26

Went looking at FlightSim and Simviation - no joy, yet. Will they be uploaded here?They are in the SOH library. Do a search under the FSX skins for "Flight Replicas" or those by Hanimichal and you'll find them.

Jankees usually posts his repaints over at aussiex.org.

TheGrunt

October 10th, 2014, 23:26

Mike, is there any chance FR would look at the issue described in P3D forums for those of us running the "other" sim?
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?90032-Flight-Replicas-109K-4-slats-issues-in-P3D2

It would be terrific to get this one running properly on P3DV2 :wiggle: