"Clobber College"

[Bomber_12th]

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[Bomber_12th]

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[crashaz]

Just wow... I don't think there can be any more accurate model of the 51. Can't wait to see what you are doing with the Airacobra. If all aircraft were modeled like this...that would be insane :isadizzy: ... we would all be qualified pilots of all these aircraft. Being a historical fan my entire life.... This is as good as it gets...like being there. Such modeling shows the passion of the builder.

[rayhere48]

I have to ask where did you get that nice WW2 scenery? It is so cool. Sorry if everyone all ready knows, I am just out of the loop.

[roger-wilco-66]

Just wow... I don't think there can be any more accurate model of the 51. Can't wait to see what you are doing with the Airacobra. If all aircraft were modeled like this...that would be insane :isadizzy: ... we would all be qualified pilots of all these aircraft. Being a historical fan my entire life.... This is as good as it gets...like being there. Such modeling shows the passion of the builder.


Well said, Crash!
I can't wait for the WBS P39.


Cheers,
Mark

[DaveQ]

Just wow... I don't think there can be any more accurate model of the 51. Can't wait to see what you are doing with the Airacobra. If all aircraft were modeled like this...that would be insane :isadizzy: ... we would all be qualified pilots of all these aircraft. Being a historical fan my entire life.... This is as good as it gets...like being there. Such modeling shows the passion of the builder.

Absolutely!! The detail and accuracy of the model and the use of alpha/specular shine to faithfully recreate the skin of the aircraft just makes painting it so much more rewarding than almost anything else out there. Here's a couple of 'real' 'Clobber College' P-51B's - a bit dated now; the checks are all the wrong colours I fear!

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/Clobber55th2.jpg



http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/Clobber55th1-1.jpg


DaveQ

PS - John, is there any chance of uprating the -B model paint kit to the same standard as the current -D's?? And thanks for the 'plug'!!

[Bomber_12th]

Just wow... I don't think there can be any more accurate model of the 51. Can't wait to see what you are doing with the Airacobra. If all aircraft were modeled like this...that would be insane :isadizzy: ... we would all be qualified pilots of all these aircraft. Being a historical fan my entire life.... This is as good as it gets...like being there. Such modeling shows the passion of the builder.

Thank you for the compliments, Crash! For me, guys/companies like Classics Hangar and Flight Replicas are my inspirations and for which I admire most - through those companies you will find accurate models of WWII aircraft that are unmatched.

[Bomber_12th]

I have to ask where did you get that nice WW2 scenery? It is so cool. Sorry if everyone all ready knows, I am just out of the loop.

Ray, it is a depiction of more/less a "movie set" scenery to look like a WWII airfield, set on the premise of an English estate/airfield, that was used during the filming of "A Piece of Cake" (Spitfire squadron series).

The scenery is of Charlton Field, and here are the links to download the different parts/updates:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=15622

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=15623

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=15646
(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=15646)
You can play around with adding/removing certain elements of the scenery, for example one of the BGL files adds modern cars to the parking lot in front of the mansion, which I have removed.

[Bomber_12th]

Absolutely!! The detail and accuracy of the model and the use of alpha/specular shine to faithfully recreate the skin of the aircraft just makes painting it so much more rewarding than almost anything else out there. Here's a couple of 'real' 'Clobber College' P-51B's - a bit dated now; the checks are all the wrong colours I fear!

PS - John, is there any chance of uprating the -B model paint kit to the same standard as the current -D's?? And thanks for the 'plug'!!

Hey Dave!

Yeah, I took some liberties with the title of this thread. For those that don't know, "Clobber College" was a sort of an air-combat school that was held at the 55th FG's home field of Wormingford, that was used to teach fresh pilots from the States a thing or two, by veteran pilots of the 8th AF, which were thought critical to the added survivability of these new pilots before sticking them in combat for the first time. Most of the aircraft used at this school were old war-weary P-51B/C's.

Regarding the P-51B/C textures, there aren't any plans to update them on the existing models I'm affraid. I would just rather focus that time on continuing to work on developing the new set of P-51B/C models first (which will have new textures).

Also, if I haven't said it to you enough before, I love your repaints Dave!!

[Bomber_12th]

And here are some old photos for good measure.

A red line and a yellow line, showing rare proof that both styles were used.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/_55MilleG3Color.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/_55Greennose.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/55th.jpg

"Dottie Q" (perhaps with a connection to Dave's mom?) : )

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/cl-q.jpg

"Da Quake" in happier times:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-13954CL-PDaQuake.jpg

And "Da Quake" meeting its demise, with some visits by French locals (this aircraft is still buried under the beach at Calais, while another 55th FG D-model, that also ditched very close by, was recovered a number of years ago, and is reported to be being restored to flying condition - with at one time the belief that it was "Da Quake", but having since been proven that it isn't).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/daquake1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/daquake2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/daquake3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/daquake4.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

And a series of publicity shots of "The Millie G". In the case of this aircraft (and the two other "Millie G's" that Giller had), they were all finished with a red stripe and in at least the case of this example, red letting for the name. In many of the period B&W photos of this aircraft, the red happened to appear just about as light as the yellow. For instance, look at how faint the red horse on the rudder appears next to the yellow paint covering the rudder. Of the different "The Millie G's" there were, this is the specific example and time period that I chose for the Warbirdsim depiction, with the P-38 mirror on top, and specific paint chips, in-field applied stencils, etc. (and as seen in the color photo at the top of the above post - red lettering, red stripe)

These photos also help to illustrate all of the correct lines and contours of the P-51D (looking from the front of the aircraft, a lot of depictions, both 3D and plastic model form, tend to sometimes have a rather fat body compared to that of the real thing - also, one of the biggest challenges in getting right, is the nose cone into the cowling shaping and the profile of the windscreen and canopy).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_e.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_a.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_b.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_g.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_d.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_f.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_c.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

Having a bit of fun with the above photos:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_f.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/left.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_g.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/front.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_d.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/rear_quarter.jpg

[BigTool4U]

And "Da Quake" meeting its demise, with some visits by French locals (this aircraft is still buried under the beach at Calais, while another 55th FG D-model, that also ditched very close by, was recovered a number of years ago, and is reported to be being restored to flying condition - with at one time the belief that it was "Da Quake", but having since been proven that it isn't).

If they know where it is, what are they waiting for? :ques:

[Bomber_12th]

Unfortunately it is too far gone to be of worth to anyone, I'm affraid. The one that was pulled up from the beach was the better off than the two, and this is the way it looked, below (and the recovery was more than three decades ago). The problem is that the elements that the airframes have been exposed to are very corrosive. Although they say that this aircraft is being restored to fly (in the UK), it will be essentially a brand new manufactured Mustang, and not actually the original. As much as those who recovered the airframe wanted it to be the original "Da Quake", the one they dug up has actually been proven to be a nameless 55th FG P-51D-5-NA 44-13663, that was flown by Lt. John Kester, though the project has always been slated it seems to be restored as "Da Quake".

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/04.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

As opposed to Da Quake, these are some photos of 44-13663, the aircraft that was recovered, being visited by French locals in the 40's as well (both airframes came to rest very near to one another):

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/07.jpg

Note the way in which the back of the fuselage broke off, when compared to the photo of the aircraft being recovered above. This and many other details between the two led there to be confirmation that the recovered airframe was not Da Quake, but rather the other example that ditched nearby. At this point, the aircraft was already nearly covered in sand.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/21.jpg

[BigTool4U]

The seawater doesn't spare anything. :(
Compared to Da Quake, the P-39 recovered from that lake in Russia was like new!

[DaveQ]

And a series of publicity shots of "The Millie G". In the case of this aircraft (and the two other "Millie G's" that Giller had), they were all finished with a red stripe and in at least the case of this example, red letting for the name. In many of the period B&W photos of this aircraft, the red happened to appear just about as light as the yellow. For instance, look at how faint the red horse on the rudder appears next to the yellow paint covering the rudder. Of the different "The Millie G's" there were, this is the specific example and time period that I chose for the Warbirdsim depiction, with the P-38 mirror on top, and specific paint chips, in-field applied stencils, etc. (and as seen in the color photo at the top of the above post - red lettering, red stripe)

These photos also help to illustrate all of the correct lines and contours of the P-51D (looking from the front of the aircraft, a lot of depictions, both 3D and plastic model form, tend to sometimes have a rather fat body compared to that of the real thing - also, one of the biggest challenges in getting right, is the nose cone into the cowling shaping and the profile of the windscreen and canopy).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_e.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_a.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_b.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_g.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_d.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_f.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little%20Friends%20I/44-72123CY-GTheMillieG_c.jpg

Anyone remember this version of the 55th's colours?

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/DaveQ-photos/55thRed.jpg

This was how these pictures were originally interpreted, if memory serves, up until about 1964. This one is from the Revell 1/72 kit of about 1959; the artwork is by the artist who did many of the early Airfix kits, Brian Knight. His last watercolour of 'Mille', in formation with Frank Birtciel's 'Miss Velma', is hanging over my desk. I'm going to do it just for the hell of it...!

DaveQ

[Bomber_12th]

That is a great blast from the past there, Dave! It's funny that the squadron colors weren't even correct. And remember how many times the aircraft has been referred to as "The Millie P" over the years? : )

[falcon409]

Ray, it is a depiction of more/less a "movie set" scenery to look like a WWII airfield, set on the premise of an English estate/airfield, that was used during the filming of "A Piece of Cake" (Spitfire squadron series).
Wow, I almost didn't recognize my scenery John, lol. Been a long time since I've seen it. . .looks pretty good, lol. Great Mustang work as always.:salute: