Nearly Intact P-47 Recovered From Lake

[Moses03]

Wow! Check out the photos in these links. A P-47 recovered from a freshwater lake in Austria.

Can anyone translate German?

http://www.juhe.at/presse/article/Traunkirchen/1118689835.html
http://www.snowtec.at/images/pics/130605_P47D25_Traunsee_42.jpg


Info being reported:

"Dottie May"?

2/Lt. Henry G. Mohr, Jr. of the 405th fG 511th


Moses

[Gnoopey]

Wow! Check out the photos in these links. A P-47 recovered from a freshwater lake in Austria.

Can anyone translate German?

http://www.juhe.at/presse/article/Traunkirchen/1118689835.html
http://www.snowtec.at/images/pics/130605_P47D25_Traunsee_42.jpg


Info being reported:

"Dottie May"?

2/Lt. Henry G. Mohr, Jr. of the 405th fG 511th


Moses

.... OK, tryin' to ... 'terrible' german, translated into even worse english ...

http://www.juhe.at/presse/article/Traunkirchen/1118689835.html

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"Traunkirchen
13.6.2005 - 21:10

During late afternoon, an american fighter plane - a Thunderbolt - could be recovered. The fighter plane came to the surface of the lake nearly undamaged and was then seated onto a specially built wooden frame construction.

To some extent, the (minor) crash damages were not worsened very much during the 60 years on the bottom of the 'Traunsee' (lake Traun). One could learn from other press releases that the fighter should be renovated in Austria and then transported to the United States.

The recovery work on the rescue site was kept secret nearly to the end. A german TV team has filmed the recovery and has got all the TV rights (Spiegel TV).

Impressing and terryfing at the same time is the armament of this fighter plane. But also a reminding monument for our youth who has the chance to experience a witness of a time, in which these arms where used against human beeings."

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found much more with a quick 'google' - but 'unfortunately' it's all in german ...

but haven't yet seen / found the details about the pilot, that obviously Moses has found ...

EDIT: here's more ...

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more links
2.5.2005 => http://www.unterwasser.de/aktuell/Newsdetail/bfefb751-d649-49f7-9c05-f373c667e52c/

4.6.2005 => http://www.ilaweb.de/index.php?id=1722
http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2067811

13.6.2005 - 15:30
http://tauchen.nullzeit.at/Content.Node/news/2005/06/thunderbolt_traunsee_bergung.php
http://tauchen.nullzeit.at/Content.Node/news/2005/06/bergung_der_thunderbolt_im_traunsee_hat_begonnen.p hp
http://tauchen.nullzeit.at/Content.Node/wissenswertes/wracks/pr-blase_oder_wahre_geschichte_bergung_eines_us-jagdbombers.php

Rest is not chronologically sorted ..
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http://www.taucher.net/aktuell_Jagdbomber_wird_aus_Traunsee_geborgen__141 0.html
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http://ooe.orf.at/oesterreich.orf?read=detail&channel=4&id=383617
http://linz.orf.at/oesterreich.orf?read=detail&channel=4&id=384977
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http://www.nachrichten.at/lokal/363882?PHPSESSID=633ff6c0e9d8d15a5a64b92ad5892db8

Moses, you've got the pilot's name from over here? ==> http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/m_76811/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#76845

[pch]

Saw a picture in the paper of it hanging in a sling, upsidedown. Looked virtually intact. I couldn't see any damage to it in the photo.

[Eagle]

Moses, you've got the pilot's name from over here? ==> http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/m_76811/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#76845

Was wondering if the pilot went down with her but this link answered my question.

[Moses03]

Thanks for the links Gnoop. :costum:

I pulled the pilots name from a thread over at the WIX.


Moses

[Ken Stallings]

Now we get to see the results of all the recently passed rulings saying that the plane is the permanent property of the US government, and the salvager gets sued in Federal court by the US military.

It's gotten insane. I hope I am proven wrong, but I think we are going to see some ugly stuff coming from this.

Ken

[CybrSlydr]

Ken, when did this happen?? I remember the Navy going all ape-**** with someone when they found, what was it... a Corsair?

Personally, I don't really have a problem with the Air Force saying it's still their property - if they hadn't already classified it as a write-off or combat loss. I hope this one ends better than the Corsair episode w/the Navy. Such a pity an amazing piece of history like this may lead to so much trouble. Shouldn't be that way.

[Willy]

I thought the Navy lost that case or was I wrong? :confused:

Willy

[CybrSlydr]

Hey Gnoop, can't believe I forgot...

Thanks aTON for the translation!!! I didn't have a clue what it said - now i have a very good view! Thanks again!

[Gnoopey]

Now we get to see the results of all the recently passed rulings saying that the plane is the permanent property of the US government, and the salvager gets sued in Federal court by the US military.

It's gotten insane. I hope I am proven wrong, but I think we are going to see some ugly stuff coming from this.

Ken

Ken,

guess that that won't happen (that you'd be proven wrong I mean) :confused:

I'm not sure about austrian law - but most western european countries have something in their law that's probably called 'acquisitive prescription / adverse procession' ... ?!? ... and sixty years is usually a long enough time for an 'agile object' that the former owner hasn't used for that long, that it will 'move' into the ownership of the land owner ... hmmm, but of course it's also possible that there are agreements between governments in cases like that ... we'll see.

[grunau_baby]

Being part of a special local point of history and a result of a "common event" (war) it realy should be kept, restored and exhibited where it is found. Just to keep the memory to this specific event, the people involved and the historic actions.

What´s the use of this ugly lawsuits. The use of a historic exhibit at an historical place has a use (hopefully).

[Gnoopey]

Being part of a special local point of history and a result of a "common event" (war) it realy should be kept, restored and exhibited where it is found. Just to keep the memory to this specific event, the people involved and the historic actions.

What´s the use of this ugly lawsuits. The use of a historic exhibit at an historical place has a use (hopefully).

indeed Alex :) let's go 'fu' all lawyers and especially all those from the US :costumes:

[pch]

That story about the Brewster Corsair (yes I ment Brewster) centered around a Northwest Airlines Mechanic and the Navy. If you want to read about it, check out http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=97878

I saw the video on the salvage, it was a royal mess when it came out of the swamp.

Paul

[mississippi]

Cool he bet the navy He He . :a1310: :violent: