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Cowboy1968
February 25th, 2012, 05:29
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One of my favorite hobbies is to fly inside the simulated world in machines that made history. When I fly the aircraft I do, I try to lean everything I can about them. One of those planes that picked my interest even before the idea of a flight simulator on a PC was the Vought SB2U Vindicator, aka the Vibrator to many pilots.

Look at the bird and use you mind, and I will bet you can guess why it had this nickname, and it wasn't because of the Pratt & Whitney R-1535 engine that pulled it along.

This bird is a rather unique one in the line up of the scout/dive bombers that flew off the decks of carriers.

It was the first monoplane in its class in this role. Its attack profile was different then the rest of the U.S.N. aircraft in this class. It didn't have dive brakes. vought tried to use standard dive brakes but they made her very unstable.

The profile was for the pilot to climb to 11,000 to 12,000 feet. He had to do this in what was called climbing the ladder when he had a heavy bomb load under the bird. Once he was to altitude then his real work began. He had to navigate to the planned attack area, once there, hopefully under the protection of fighters, he would then have to prepare for his dive.

He would set his plane toward the target. Bring his constant speed propeller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_speed_propeller) to a position that allows it turn at maximum rpm at minimal throttle--this become important later in the dive. This change in pitch of the blades also acts a part of the dive braking method of the bird. The angle of attack allows the blade to spin but it also allows the resistance to the air. Once he has max rpm set on the prop, He then drops the large flaps to full, and the plane starts to slow. He then extends his landing gear witch has the same effect as a dive brake in conjunction with the prop and flaps. Once he has that done he then goes inverted and noses the bird into the dive. He puts the plane on an angle of sixty to seventy degrees. Even with no throttle and the plane in diving configuration he drops at speeds of around 200 mph! The pilot's dive drops the plane from 10 to 12,000 feet down to around 1,500 feet in the matter of seconds.

Once the bomb, which is suspended on a trapeze bomb rack so it clears the prop, is released, the pilot pulls back on his stick hard bringing up the nose, the slams the throttle to the fire wall, and scaddels from the target as fast as he can. That is why the prop rpm is maxed out, it allows for maximum power from the engine.

The dive can be quite intense.

The Vindicator entered service in 1936, and it left front line use in early 1943. It was used at the battle of Midway where the inexperienced marines that flew them failed to score any hits on the Japanese, and several birds were lost in the fight.

The story was different with experienced pilots at the stick. Pilots from the USS Lexington (CV-2) and the USS Saratoga (CV-3) used the Vindicator very well in the early Pacific raids. Several Japanese merchants and some minor combatants were sent to the bottom by the Vindicator.

Contrary to popular belief, like the F2A Buffalo fighter, the SB2U wasn't withdrawn from the front because of a bad record. They were withdrawn because they were out of production and their were no extras to go around after the sale of the planes to the French and British.

Yes I loved learning this machine. It is good little kite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_SB2U_Vindicator

Cody Coyote
February 25th, 2012, 06:32
Good post. :applause:

Cowboy1968
February 25th, 2012, 08:08
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Unfortunately I don't have the true Japanese contemporary to the Vought SB2U in my hangers but I do have probably one of the most successful carrier bombers of World War II. Even though it was obsolete by the end of the war the Aichi D3A "Val".

In many ways this plane was obsolescent as it left the factory, but it was also capable. In the hands of a good pilot this machine could be fearsome.

The Val entered service with the Imperial Japanese Navy in 1939 and it would remain the main carrier bomber of the war. The Val was the first axis plane to sink a USN ship.

The attack profile the Japanese used with the Val differed in many ways to the US method of attack. The Japanese dive bombers would approach the target area at around 9,000 feet. Like the American attack profile they would max out rpm on the Val's prop, and open the slatted dive brakes under the wings. Where the Americans would first pass over the target, and then go inverted and dive back onto the target, the Japanese would cut throttle and nose over to a 45 degree angle and take sight on the target and then increase the angel to a 60 degree dive once they were on it. Where the US pilots were trained to release the bombs at 1,500 ft above the target, the IJN pilots would release at 1,000 ft, then yank back on the stick and cream out of the area at full throttle.

Both the American and Japanese attack methods were effective. The difference in approach and release really weren't that far apart. The steeper angles used by the Americans compensated for the 500 ft difference in altitude at the time the bomb was dropped.

In the days before the bombing computers of the 1960's dive bombing was one of the best ways of getting a bomb on target.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aichi_D3A

Pat Pattle
February 25th, 2012, 10:17
Great, informative posts, thanks! Have recently read about their use by the RN as Chesapeakes.

:)

middle
February 25th, 2012, 11:30
Great stuff..thanks. I was watching a piece on the miltary channel the other day and they were describing how guys would take the .30 cal machine guns out of the back of Avengers that were wrecked and put a stock and another trigger mechanism on them and turn them into hand held machine guns that would fire at the rate of 1500 rounds per minute...very, very effective, apparently for mowing down the enemy!

sdsbolt
February 25th, 2012, 12:03
One of those planes that picked my interest even before the idea of a flight simulator on a PC was the Vought SB2U Vindicator, aka the Vibrator to many pilots.

Well then you might like to visit cfs3 soon. :wiggle: not a highly detailed model but there arent a lot other Vindicators to fly AFAIK

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b431/sdsbolt/Shot02-25-12-15-54-57.jpg

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b431/sdsbolt/Shot02-25-12-15-55-35.jpg

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b431/sdsbolt/vindicator_vc.jpg

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b431/sdsbolt/Shot01-17-12-19-22-08.jpg

Cowboy1968
February 25th, 2012, 19:37
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Among the unknown heroes, of World War II, were the crews of the Grumman J2F Duck. This plane and its crews conducting some of the most tedious, but important mission types of World War II.

The Duck was well known for its use in the SAR (Search and Rescue) role, but the duck was also used to develop other mission profiles that are standard on US carriers today.

One of those roles was the use for Carrier On board Delivery (COD). The Duck couldn't carry much cargo, but it could get priority loads to the carrier. Among those loads were the mail.

Another role was moving flag officers on and off the flagships of the fleet.

They were also used for maritime patrol. They would patrol an area and call in other resources if they spotted something.

The Duck was truly a good utility type aircraft, that in my opinion that went a long way to win its share of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_J2F_Duck

Cowboy1968
February 27th, 2012, 07:37
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Out of all the naval aerial arts, the torpedo attack probably left the crew the most vulnerable. It was here that a pilot had to have nerve, because the attack profile called for a long, low and slow run to the target.

The standard American attack profile was based around the Mk. 13 torpedo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_13_torpedo) that dated back to 1925 in design. The profile called for the pilot to close to 1,000 yards of the target at 150 ft. This gave the Mk.13 less of an entry curve where the torpedo dives as it enters the water until it becomes buoyant. The Mk.13 did have a running range over 6,000 yards, but the further out released the less accurate the run.

(I have seen torpedo tutorials on the web in YouTube, but they are wrong, here I will explain why.) The most common method of attack used by the Americans in World War II was the "hammer and anvil" attack. The American Torpedo squadron (VT) would break into two flights of eight or even in some cases break into sections of four. The idea was borrowed from the Japanese in the 1930's. The flight leader would pick a target and then the flight would break into half, part of the planes would head for the bow of the ship and the other section would head for the stern of the target. Once they were in position they would all try to coordinate their run in the target. Contrary to popular thought the broadside run wasn't the best, the idea attack where for the planes to come in at 45 degree angles on the target, and drop their torpedoes in the lead of the ship, this was the anvil portion of the attack. No matter which way the ship turned she was going to be hit. The section attacking the stern was the hammer of the attack they would try to lead their torpedoes in an angle that would hit midships. This kind of attack limited the exposure of the aircraft to anti-air fire.

The tutorials that tell you to attack on the broadside of the ship are well exposing you to murder.

In the end a successful torpedo attack requires coordination with fighters and dive bombers. The dive bombers tend to draw fire toward them and away from the torpedo planes. And with out fighters the torpedo planes are setting ducks to the cap during their long straight run.

This was a problem throughout World War II.

The Douglas TBD entered fleet service in 1937 replacing the obsolete Martin T4M in the fleet. The Devastator did its job sufficiently in the early stages of the Pacific War, as long as it was used in coordinated attacks. It was just at home performing as a horizontal bomber as it was a torpedo plane. But, as i stated earlier, it was vulnerable during a torpedo run without its fighter protection. The battle of Midway showed this to be true of the torpedo bombers, not just the Devastator.

After Midway, due to a lack of replacement planes and its replacement the Grumman TBF coming online, the TBD was withdrawn to training duties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_TBD