Swedish P-51D-5-NA ?? [Archive]

jankees

December 29th, 2011, 00:08

The site you mention was right. I did some digging and came with a few more pics:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-2909-45-03_0130.jpg
the two aircraft, Mary Ann and Peabody's pet right after landing in Sweden

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-2909-31-37_0125a.jpg
full view of Mary Ann

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-2909-31-37_0125.jpg
Mary Ann after it was flown to Barkaby near Stockholm by the US military attache in Sweden ( Col Hardison, note name on the side of the aircraft)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-2909-32-19_0126.jpg
The four flyable and interned Mustangs in Sweden in the autumn of 1944: 43-6461 CS-Q "Hot Pants", 43-6365 GQ-J "Z-Hub", 44-13345 C5-I bar "Mary Ann" and 44-13917 D7-L "You've Had it". All four would later be bought by Sweden and enter service in the Swedish Air Force, as 26002, 26001, 26003 and 26004 respectively.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-2909-33-40_0127.jpg
26003 kept its camouflage paint as can be seen from this pic, and it was also the only D in the Swedish Air Force without a fin fillet.
It flew with F16, carrying the registration white B at first, followed by white A and back to white B again. It was written off after a ground collision in 1946 and then used as an instructional airframe.

Hope this helps?

fsxar177

December 29th, 2011, 09:08

Jan,

You are a master...really...
Okay, good leg-work! Very interesting. I'll have to dig in a little deeper now, I'm going to tackle both schemes of 44-13345, makes a good story to boot. Pretty unique being a fillet-less Swede D, purdy too.

The other -5 is curious to me also, it looks like after service as 26004, it was sold to the Dominican Republic. Would be interesting to find some more photos of that one also.

Thanks a lot!

Joseph

jankees

December 29th, 2011, 11:20

Would be interesting to find some more photos of that one also.

give me until tomorrow...

peter12213

December 29th, 2011, 14:45

Imagine a Mustang in Swedish "splinter type" camo, with full Swedish insignia in the style of the one above? I would look awesome I think!:salute:

jankees

December 29th, 2011, 22:23

OK, 44-13917 D7-L "You've Had it", of the 503rd FS, 339th FG, flown by Lt Franklin D. Talcott landed at Bulltofta on 6 august 1944. He had suffered an oil leak after being hit by flak.
Intertingly, the pilot was observed wearing anti-G trousers, something new for the Swedish Air Force. After reparations, the aircraft was transferred to Barkaby on 7 oktober 1944.
Lt Talcott unfortunately died that same day, while test flying another interned Mustang, P-51B 43-12463 CS-N "Some Joke" at Ljungbyhed.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-3007-39-54_0131a.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-3007-39-54_0131.jpg

after the nose art was removed:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-3007-46-14_0133a.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-3007-46-14_0133.jpg

I found more pic, but this a bit of a mystery:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2011-12-3007-41-43_0132.jpg

You see the name on the nose, and the checkers that seem to correspond to a 339th aircraft. You even see the place where the cartoon on the nose seems to be painted over.
The rest of the aircraft is all wrong though. It has a black triangle on the tail, and overpainted buzz marks that could be KI-T below the wing, that would point to the 55th FS/20th FG. But why does it not have the piano key markings? The caption says the pic was taken at Bromma in 1947, which would mean the aircraft was part of one of the later batches of P-51's delivered to Sweden. My list of Swedish Mustangs mentions only two former 55th FS Mustangs, 44-72390 (which I believe is still around), and 44-72388 KI-A "Bobby".
It will probably remain a mystery....

I have plans to do a few Swedish Mustangs myself, complete with all the swedish stencils, but that will take a while to finish still...

skyhawka4m

December 29th, 2011, 22:44

you amaze me sir......simply amazing

fsxar177

December 30th, 2011, 11:29

Jan,

Thanks! A few photos I didn't have, the "mystery" mustang is a puzzle. I don't think it's 44-13917..

The faded cartoon on the nose is not in the name place in relation to that cowling panel, as on "You've had it"

The checkers on the mystery ship extend thicker, and past the exhaust opening in the cowling...farther than the original bird.

No hint of D-day stripes having been removed on the mystery 'stang.

Also notice, no holes in the cooling vents, on any shots. (solid panels installed) on 44-13917... They were usually installed for cold-weather... But in the photo of the mystery ship, it has the vented piece installed...AFTER being in cold Sweden?

My guess is that it's a different 'stang, but that for some reason at one point, was painted in similar markings.... This is interesting!

Joseph

Bomber_12th

December 30th, 2011, 12:09

Awesome photos, Jan Kees!

I particularly am impressed by that wonderful cockpit photo! It isn't of a P-51D-5-NA, but rather an early-model P-51D-20-NA (that has been field-modified with the installation of a K-14 gun sight, controls, and throttle (where as it would have originally rolled off the assembly line with an N-9 gun sight and the original ball-grip throttle)). The serial number on the panel looks like 44-64112, which is an early model P-51D-20-NA, and that very aircraft still flies today (quite amazing)! http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51survivors/pages/44-64122.shtml

jankees

December 30th, 2011, 13:47

Interesting, that bit about the cockpit. The picture is from a swedish book on american aircraft that ended up in Sweden during the war, and it is with the item on 44-13917, so I assumed...

As for 44-64112, my data tell me nothing on its start in life, but it came to Sweden probably in march 1947, flew as 26130 with F4, F16 and F21, was converted to a recce aircraft (S26) and was sold to Nicaragua in 1954..

Ian Warren

December 30th, 2011, 14:12

Very informative and dang interesting , the Swedish being obviously impressed with the 51 to buy after the end off the war , I'll check and see if can match the aircraft and any further valiant information here . :salute:

fsxar177

December 30th, 2011, 20:19

It's amazing how much knowledge you can take in on these Warbirds, thanks to a little enthusiasm, and FSX!

I figured that cockpit for a -20 also, and am still puzzled by the "mystery" mustang...

Here's a few more of 44-13917

55409
55410

And I believe this is her serving for the Dominican Republic, as FAD-1900(1) - not to be confused with a second FAD-1900 which served a couple years later. (However, that doesn't look like the cuffed Hamilton Standard prop, maybe a later model Hamilton?)
55411

Joseph

jankees

January 1st, 2012, 12:10

OK, I couldn't resist doing a Swedish Mustang myself of course, so here are my first WiP shots of 26108 Blue F "Essie May II" of F16.
I choose this one because of the fun squadron badge and the name, though it seems these did not last very long.
26108 was originally 44-63833 E6-V of the 402nd FS/370 th FG. She went to Israel in 1952, and was scrapped there.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14694.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14695.jpg

Still very much WiP, I removed all the US stencils and replaced them with the proper swedish ones, but it seems I forgot a few, still looking at that. The roundel on the wings is cut off by the ailerons, so I'll need to work on that too, as well as on F below the nose, and the spinner of course. Still, it looks Swedish already, don't you think?

peter12213

January 1st, 2012, 12:28

Mate, I bet the Swedes never even went to that detail. lol Fantastic! :jump:

fsxar177

January 1st, 2012, 13:35

Looking good Jan!

Will have to be a stable mate!

I'm almost ready to post some screens of "Mary Ann", trying to get her done before moving on in her career.

Joseph

Greenhouse357

January 1st, 2012, 18:26

Nice, Jan Kees!

fsxar177

January 1st, 2012, 23:36

Good-day,
Okay, first few screens from 44-13345, still playing with a few details. Borrowing John's wing skin from "Frenesi", close enough... conceived a little different Olive Drab for the fuselage, with some extra little nuggets. Should probably get her dirty, but I hate to do it, she's too purdy! Anybody know if there was any kill markings, or if Lt. Burtner's name appeared on the aircraft?

Joseph

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen01.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen02.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen03.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen04.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen05.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen06.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen07.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen08.jpg

jankees

January 2nd, 2012, 00:43

Looks really good, Joseph!

I don't think it had any name or kill marks, just look at the pics higher up.

Meanwhile, my swede progresses slowly as well:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14707.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14711.jpg
I found a pic of 26108, without a big "F" below the nose, so I left it out, and it showed the walkways continuing below the wings.

Some details, note the swedish stencils, the older model walkways (on both wings) and the yellow fuel caps:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14710.jpg

I'm still not 100% happy with the roundels on the wings, so I will a bit more on those, but I'm getting there...
And I don't think there is a model with the 70 gal tanks, no mirror and without the tail warning radar, is there?

Peter SWE

January 2nd, 2012, 01:09

Now that is amazing!

Thanks for the historylesson.:salute:
The swedish airforce was quite a mix and match fleet of different aircraft in the beginning.

jankees

January 2nd, 2012, 11:10

OK, I think I've got those roundels right this time.
here's a few pics from the other side, personally, I think those Swedish colors look great on the Mustang.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14721.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14720.jpg

would you be interested in a few more?

fsxar177

January 2nd, 2012, 11:15

That Swede is shaping up nicely. :)

Still tinkering with "Mary Ann"...I Think I should still go ahead and do some wing skins, and try to match the different drab. What do you think?

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen09.jpg

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen10.jpg

jankees

January 2nd, 2012, 11:27

wing and fuselage should be the same paint I think, they were painted together.

swimeye

January 2nd, 2012, 22:24

I am very impressed by your skills, these Mustangs looks fantastic and since I am a "Swede" I have a soft spot for these two since they both have connections to Sweden. :jump:

jankees

January 4th, 2012, 12:32

here are a few wip shots of another Mustang that ended up in Sweden (but that is for a later post)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14743.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14742.jpg

fsxar177

January 5th, 2012, 00:17

Ahh, I like it Jan!

I'm still fiddlin' with Mary Ann, re-did the nose art, and scaled it. Studied the stripes on the wings till my head aches, it appears like she had some pretty unique layouts on those d-day stripes... Refer to the photos, but I think I'm getting it close. Still need to add paint stripping on the wings, and tweak the spec. I think I'm finally satisfied with the drab.

Joseph

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen11.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen12.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen13.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen14.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen15.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen16.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen17.jpg

fsxar177

January 5th, 2012, 00:18

And a few more:

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen18.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen19.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen20.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen21.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen22.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen23.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen24.jpg

DennyBoy

January 5th, 2012, 00:41

Hi

Upload som pictures of J 26 P-51B & P-51D Mustang I found at the net.

And 2 skins: one for Warbirds P-51B nad one for Warwick Carter/Wozza P-51D.

The P-51B was the first Mustang in the RSAF (Interned in Sweden ex USAAF "Z HUB").

Plenty of skins of swedish P-51B & D Mustangs can be fount at RBDesings website.

The Warwicks Carter Mustang works ok in FSX+acceleration with the usual glassfix.

Best Regard

DennyBoy

skyhawka4m

January 5th, 2012, 02:52

These paints all look awesome! Can't wait to add them.

jankees

January 5th, 2012, 09:45

I had a look at RB designs, but couldn't find any Mustang paints, though that B model somehow looks familiar....

meanwhile, I found another pic of Sierra Sue, and it turns out the nose art had to be bigger:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14769.jpg

and this is what she looked like later in life, flying as 26152 Gul Kalle (Yellow K) with F4 of the Royal Swedish AF:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14782.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14777.jpg

DennyBoy

January 5th, 2012, 09:48

Hi

Here is a skin (for shockwaves old P-51D Mustang / FS9) with the Indian riding a ponny emblem.

Random history of the individial aircraft:

N.A. P-51D (J26) Mustang. Gul Harald [H] (Yellow Harald). / 26041. F16 Upplands Flygflottilj of Royal Swedish Air Force.

Was previously 44-72191 of the USAAF, and flew with 3rd sqn. on the F16 wing, based at Uppsala.

In 1952 she was sold to Israel were she flew with registration 350.

Beyond that, little is know.

Best Regard
DennyBoy

jankees

January 5th, 2012, 10:04

hey, is that my old paint?

DennyBoy

January 6th, 2012, 03:31

Hi JanKees

Yes it is yours skin. I´m downloaded the J26/26041 texture back in 2007.

Best Regard
DennyBoy

jankees

January 6th, 2012, 11:04

good to see some of my old stuff is still around and being enjoyed, thank you!

meanwhile, I keep tinkering on this one, sorting a few more details, and getting everything just right:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14794.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14796.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14791.jpg

and the source of inspiration:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/real pics/2012-01-0611-01-03_0136.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14802.jpg

thunder100

January 7th, 2012, 03:07

Any place to download the swedish paints yet?
Also the P- 51 B

Thanks

Roland

jankees

January 7th, 2012, 03:34

I'm still working on silly details that probably nobody will notice with the D models, but the B, vit David, is here (http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/1114-warbirdsim-p-51b-swedish-air-force-vit-david/)

thunder100

January 7th, 2012, 04:26

Thanks for the link and Ill pateiently wait on your D's

Roland

DennyBoy

January 7th, 2012, 04:33

Hi Thunder100

You can downloade the skin for WarbirdSim´s P-51B FSX over at www. rbdesign.se

Best Regard
DennyBoy

jankees

January 7th, 2012, 06:12

I still can't find any P-51's on that site, do you have a direct link?

Meanwhile, spot the differences:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14861.jpg

and of course, old 26152 aka Gul Kalle was sold to Nicaragua in 1953, where she flew as GN 91. I found no pics, but she may have looked something like this:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14862.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14868.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14864.jpg

skyhawka4m

January 7th, 2012, 06:23

:applause:

fsxar177

January 7th, 2012, 09:41

Keep it up Jan!

Almost done with the US version "Mary Ann" 44-13345, then can move on to her livelihood as 26003. Having a hard time deciphering if the Swedish first just removed USAAF markings, and then applied there own, or if they painted it entirely. The only photos I've found, including 26003 in the shop at the end of it's life, indicate that essentially the US olive drab, and grey remained, with maybe some touch-up.

See the photo, no grey where the D-day stripes were on the fuselage.

Also curious to the art on wings palette, showing it with grey on the belly scoop with the yellow "B" - maybe this was after it wore the white "A". then went back to "B"... More study needed!

Should have some initial screens of this WIP soon also,
Joseph

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/image9.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/image7.jpg

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/image2.jpg

jankees

January 8th, 2012, 00:11

I just finished uploading my latest four paints (two Swedes, Sierra Sue and the Nicaraguan) on Ozx, I hope you'll enjoy them.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX14797.jpg

Barnes

January 8th, 2012, 00:28

Great work as always Jankees :salute:

DennyBoy

January 8th, 2012, 01:15

Hi JanKees

Open up RB Designs website: www.rbdesign.se (http://www.rbdesign.se)

On top click at download.

Click on a picture named flygplan

scroll down to the 7th 'Tryck Här Jaktplan' and click on 'Tryck här'

scroll down and you se your own paint for Warbirdsim P-51B (J26) white D.

scroll down furter to a picture of a P-51D. there is a skinpack for swedish J26 + a download link to Warwick Carter´s P-51D aircraft.

Best Regard
DennyBoy

DennyBoy

January 8th, 2012, 02:03

Hi

Over at www.ghostgrey.gaetanmarie.com (http://www.ghostgrey.gaetenmarie.com)

Is a history of a P-51D Mustang named "Twilight Tears" how later become yellow Kalle F16 wing Uppsala

I´m port over som pictures from the site

Best Regard
DennyBoy

swimeye

January 8th, 2012, 10:08

Fantastic repaints Jankees, I am very impressed of how the old markings shine through. Awesome. I am no expert but I rate Gul Kalle the best repaint I have ever downloaded for any aircraft. :salute:

fsxar177

January 8th, 2012, 22:39

Okay, part 1 of 2 on this aircraft is available (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=3&id=5161), stay tuned for 26003 after getting her Swedish colors!

And to catch us up:
1/Lt. Charles E. Burtner, in his P-51D-5-NA "Mary Ann" (8th AF, 357th FG, 364th FS) was in escort for a bombing against Rechlin, Germany on the 25th of August, 1944. His aircraft reportedly had engine trouble, forcing him to land in neutral Sweden. Burtner and his wingman were interned.

Sweden bought the aircraft, entering service in July of '45, becoming their 3rd "J.26" Mustang, 26003, under Flygflottilj F16 (Uppland Air Force Wing, Uppsala, Sweden) and the first of their D models. (and the only one without the Dorsel Fin Fillet)

Enjoy!

Joseph

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen25.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen26.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen27.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen28.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/screen29.jpg