C-119 Flying Boxcar payware model for FSX? anywhere

[Flame-Prop]

I came across a good movie once, it was called "The flight of the Phoenix" and there was a really old school plane it was C-119 with bare metal. I loved it the minute i saw it, this one coughs up smoke and it purrrrs like a cat. When I wanted to fly one in FSX I could not find a good payware model anywhere, dose anyone have any info if anyone is making one?


50313
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAvvhDF943Q


Gabe

[jessie r.]

I dont know if anybody is making a payware one but I have the freeware model by Daisuke Yamamoto and it's pretty good.

http://www.flightsim.com/file.php?cm=SEARCH1&fsec=0&fname=C119BXCR.ZIP

[mjahn]

Except in that movie it is a Fairchild C-82 Packet, the forerunner of the Boxcar. Good film that, ditto the book. There is a FS9 model of it somewhere.

[Navy Chief]

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There is a C-82 available as well, but the C119 is better, I think.....




Category: Flight Simulator 2004 - Original Aircraft (http://library.avsim.net/index.php?CatID=fs2004ac)



Fairchild C119 Flying Boxcar 'Flight of the Phoenix 2004'
http://library.avsim.net/images/ZipDive.png (http://library.avsim.net/zipdiver.php?DLID=58296) http://library.avsim.net/images/Download.png (http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=58296)

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File Description:
Now you can fly the plane from Fox Studios new release, the remake of Flight of the Phoenix. Back in November of 2003, I had the pleasure and honor of being contacted by Fox Studios to do a repaint of Daisuke Yamamoto's C-119 for them. Understandably, I was not permitted to upload the repaint until after the release of the movie. Well, that time has now come and here it is. I have had the pleasure of seeing the movie and if nothing else, the effects of the flight and crash in the desert are well worth the seeing. I still prefer the original movie with James Stewart over Dennis Quaid, but then, I'm from the older generation. Enjoy! Heather


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Filename:
phx2k4.zip


License:
Freeware, limited distribution


Added:
19th December 2004


Downloads:
10167


Author:
Daisuke Yamamoto, Heather Sherman


Size:
4614kb

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[Willy]

The original move with James Stewart used a C-82. The remake used the C-119.

[roger-wilco-66]

Good question.
I'd love to see a up-to-date payware or even freeware version of the C-119. For a payware developer, it would be an interesting project regarding follow-ups, because there were so many versions of it (most notably the g and k models, shadow and stinger gunships).

Cheers,
Mark

[TuFun]

Love the first movie with Jimmy Stewart...

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/FSX%20General%20Aviation/fsx2010-03-2215-59-17-90bmp.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/FSX%20General%20Aviation/fsx2010-03-2216-00-23-89bmp.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/FSX%20General%20Aviation/fsx2010-03-2215-52-28-44bmp.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l40/TwFun/FSX%20General%20Aviation/fsx2010-03-2215-53-08-66bmp.jpg

[Navy Chief]

I like Dennis Quaid. He is a very good actor. In fact, I cannot think of a movie he's been in that I do not like. I have never watched the remake of Flight of the Phoenix; nor will I ever.
In my opinion, it is almost impossible to improve any movie that Jimmy Stewart starred in, and "The Flight of the Phoenix" is no exception.

It's one of my favorite movies of all time. Jimmy Stewart, regardless of the role, always gave it his all. And his films, WITHOUT special effects, were all wonderful!

NC

[Sundog]

You may also want to check the fs9 forums, because I know they made a lot of upgrades to the freeware C-119, especially the fde. I'm assuming some of those upgrades will work in fsx as well.

[krazycolin]

Honestly, we were looking into this one. It would be exceptionally fun I think BUT... horrendously complex cockpit... the front end is not so bad but have you see what's back of the pilots??? HOLY CROW!!!!! What a MESS!!!!

[roger-wilco-66]

Honestly, we were looking into this one.[...]


Wow!!!! My hopes are nurtured now :-)


Cheers,
Mark

[krazycolin]

operative word here is "WERE".... we are not, at this time, going to make this plane. Unless, someone gets me a ton of internal pics... takers?

[roger-wilco-66]

operative word here is "WERE".... we are not, at this time, going to make this plane. Unless, someone gets me a ton of internal pics... takers?

How about that for starters?

http://www.wingsovereurope.com/c-119_cockpit.html

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/Fairchild-C-119G-Flying/1959126/L/&sid=fa520445afd336ab36c049b9272d6e38

(http://www.wingsovereurope.com/c-119_cockpit.html)http://www.airliners.net/photo/Fairchild-C-119F-Flying/1945815/L/&sid=fa520445afd336ab36c049b9272d6e38

I love the big overhead windows of the cockpit!
Free original scans of operating and flight manuals can be downloaded from

http://avialogs.com/index.php/BookLibrary/Technical-manuals/Aircrafts/F/Fairchild/C-119-Boxcar
(http://avialogs.com/index.php/BookLibrary/Technical-manuals/Aircrafts/F/Fairchild/C-119-Boxcar)

Or, for example, if anyone reading this thread lives near Brussels and is interested, there is a C-119 in a museum that apparently can be photographed from the inside, see first link.
I'd do that on the double if I would live near a place where one is on display (c'mon guys, let's help the man :-) ).

Cheers,
Mark









(http://www.wingsovereurope.com/c-119_cockpit.html)

[Flame-Prop]

Bit off topic but there is a DC-10 under construction, they say it will be ready in 2012 :O talk about taking your time here. This is a proper DC-10 no amateur payware stuff. Whooooo is making it, now it's a mystery as the project has been handed to it's new owner. A2A simulators tookaround 9 months to create their spitfire. But It would be a good idea to have a nice model of the C-119. Also just checked out the Chinhook from Milviz currently In development, I have to say, it's "The one"


Gabe

[srgalahad]

operative word here is "WERE".... we are not, at this time, going to make this plane. Unless, someone gets me a ton of internal pics... takers?

Sounds like someone should go to Sin City. A day away from the casinos (spouse goes to the outlet malls, FS addict goes to Henderson)
http://www.fabulousracers.com/gallery_C-119_cargo.html

"Also on display are model aircraft, depicting several different eras of aeronautical history. Ed Rachanski Sr. was a Flight Engineer on the C-119 flying Boxcars during the Korean era. There is a display case encapsulating some of his actual gear and survival equipment, used during his Honorable term in the United States military."

[krazycolin]

Thanks for those pics. I will consider it. It's a bit of a nightmare but... could be interesting for sure...

[Navy Chief]

And there's this site:

http://www.flyingboxcar.com/

[warchild]

Meh! Lets face it. The reason no one has made or wants to make a model of the C-119 is because they look like a disgruntled toad. Therefore they think it flies like a disgruntled toad. But, to a whole bunch of us, it's the most beautiful plane in the sky, and its song the sweetest. You see, in 1968, Some yahoo over in the airforce decided to imitate spooky ( aka Puff ) which was a C-47 with a minigun or two on it, and they went and put miniguns on a C-130. Well, this is all well and good except that for every C-130 that got miniguns attached, there was one less C-130 for transporting men and cargo ( food, ammo, medical supplies. Little things like that ) and Stage 3 of the gunship project was begun. They settled on using a C-119 Flying Boxcar. It freed up the C-130s and carried four miniguns and two ( I think, dont quote me ) 40MM's on its port side. each minigun was capable of laying down 6000 rounds a minute, for a total of 24000 rounds per minute firepower. Callsign on the C-119s was Shadow, and the NVA had standing orders to not fire on it. You might piss it off ( true story ). Mostly Shadow plied the Ho Chi Mihn trail, but several times he'd show up to save some dumb soldiers ass. And its those times that mean the most to a whole bunch of us.
BUT, who cares eh?? Who cares that some of these kids today were even concieved because shadow saved their daddys ass. Who cares that it flies like a homesick angel? Who cares that it was a true hero ship in vietnam.
It still looks like a disgruntled toad.
Pam

[TeaSea]

In the late 1950's and early 60's my father was a paratrooper in the 82nd at Ft. Bragg and the 503rd in Okinawa. At that time the primary lift aircraft for airborne operations was the C-119. He related to me that despite its size it was always a bit difficult to jump due to the configuration of the clam shell doors in the back and how the paratroop exit doors were at slight angle to the direction of flight. What this resulted in was a very crowded situation at the troop exit doors when you put the jump masters (one for each door), the safeties (one for each door) and the load master with his assistant (one for each door) all in this really tight space.

If you've never witnessed or participated in a mass exit out of a high performance aircraft what happens is that after the first jumper exits, the stick begins to speed up very rapidly so that by the end of the stick the last jumper is almost running to keep up (my own airborne infantry battalion regularly cleared an airplane of 45 - 50 jumper in less than 12 seconds -- that's 25 jumpers a door, both doors). On the C-119 it was not unusual for a jumper to actually pass the door and run into the clam shell beyond, with lots of subsequent issues (remember everyone behind that jumper is trying to exit) because of the constricted space. Quickly and safely mitigating that risk or recovering from the occurrence was apparently a major feat of ballet the Bolshoi would envy. While as an infantryman he liked the aircraft, I don't think he missed it when the C-130 came into service (there were never enough C-123's to really cover down on the missions these units had, although they did jump them).

I personally have always thought the C-119 a little unstuck in terms of doctrine and force deployment, lacking the legs to make it a really good insertion tool and clearly underpowered. Remember that in the 1950's the USAF had decided there would be no more little wars because The Bomb had made all that impossible, so there was really no need to be flying paratroopers around anywhere. The C-119's use however did clearly contribute to and validated the requirements towards the development of the C-130, whose turbo-prop engines resolved the major lack of power in both the C-119 and C-123 platforms, resulting in far superior performance parameters for the Herc.

Obviously though, there still being C-119's in service, they have found a neat little niche that hasn't really been filled in yet.

Personally, I think it's a beautiful airplane...it's so ugly it's cute....and would really love to see a good payware version. I also would like to see one flying for real. It's been years since I've had that pleasure.

[Piglet]

Sometimes you just wanna CRY.....50448

[roger-wilco-66]

Holy crap, Tim !! :jawdrop:

[mal998]

I grew up in the 50s near Mitchel Field, Hempstead, Long Island. My house was located under the approaches to Mitchel Field, Grumman, and Republic Aviation. We used to have the C-119s and T-33s fly over all the time, not to mention the Trackers, Tracers Stoofs, F-84Fs, occassional Globemaster. A magical time to be a kid!

[warchild]

Sometimes you just wanna CRY.....50448

Been there myself.. Not meaning to sound callous, but i hope you didnt pay for that file.. Worse, I hope you didnt spend a lot of time creating that file..
Max 3.0 or 3.1 had a neat little utility in it that allowed you to repair corrupted max files. They were pretty common back then, but, i havent seen that utility in a very long time..
Maybe its out there someplace though.. Will cross fingers and keep hopes up..
Pam

[Piglet]

Actully, it wasn't so bad. Had only made the fuselage pod made, then realized my refs were all whack. So I shelved it anyways, and made the PT-19, and now, XB-35.

[krazycolin]

anybody got some nice 3 views?

[roger-wilco-66]

There are about 1200 images of c-119s - including 3 views and walkarounds - here:

http://www.picsearch.com/index.cgi?start=1&size=1p&width=1740&q=Fairchild C-119 Flying Boxcar

In the original manuals I mentioned above there are also some 3views, but I don't know if they are usable.

Cheers,
Mark

PS:
Good images can also be found here:
http://www.greenairdesigns.com/lab2/index.php?view=detail&id=3728&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=132#joomimg

[warchild]

I guess these old girls meant a lot of things to a lot of us.. I guess thats why i like history so much. It can be fun like at Renaissance Faire's, or amazing like in how this one plane could touch so many lives, in ways no designer could ever conceive.. :)

[krazycolin]

I am not promising that it will be soon but we will take this one on...

[roger-wilco-66]

I guess these old girls meant a lot of things to a lot of us.. I guess thats why i like history so much. It can be fun like at Renaissance Faire's, or amazing like in how this one plane could touch so many lives, in ways no designer could ever conceive.. :)

Well said, Pam. That's why I read a lot and, for example, an SBD or SB2C in FSX comes to life for me after reading "Dauntless Helldivers", the PBY with "Black Cat Raiders", the C-123k with "Flying through midnight" and so on. Learning about the development and operation of the aircraft, as well as historical scenarios in which they flew, makes this a very rich and fulfilling hobby.

I think I have to expand my envelope towards the C-119 now... :-)

Great news, Colin!

Cheers,
Mark

[krazycolin]

As an FYI, production has now commenced on this bird. I am hopeful that we will have it out by next summer. It will, needless to say, be of the same general quality as all of our releases.

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[sim-paticissimo]

That's fantastic!:icon29:

[roger-wilco-66]

As an FYI, production has now commenced on this bird. I am hopeful that we will have it out by next summer. It will, needless to say, be of the same general quality as all of our releases.

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Awesome............