Who is the top scoring JET fighter pilot of all time .?

[beana51]

A jet-to-jet fighter ace, credited with 17 kills, The Ace of Aces of modern, supersonic fighter jets. XXXXX is also the "ace of aces"..holds the world record for jet aircraft shot down.....Whats My Name and Country!....When ? How? where? and why?

Seen him on the program called "DOG FIGHT".....thanx Vin!!http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon26.gif.....this should be easy!

[Willy]

Giora Epstein of Israel. Six Day War, War of Attrition, and Yom Kippur War.

[keatles]

Can't remember his name (I am over 60), but he is an Israeli. :salute:

[beana51]

MAZZELTOFF WILLY!...yes Of Course yer correct..I was amazed at the quality and skills of Israel pilots....the Take outs of those nuclear facilities was pure perfection...thank you sir...Vin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO-UQmJ5Pbo&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLB16E1289D53794F1

[deathfromafar]

Top scoring jet vs jet ace of all time was not Epstein, it was Colonel Yevgeny Pepelyayev of the Soviet Union during the Korean War. Colonel Pepelyayev flew a Mig-15bis to score 19 confirmed victories & 4 probable victories including 12 F-86s, five F-80s, four F-84s and two F-94s. His command was in the 196th IAP which flew Mig-15's with DPRK markings.

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/RussianPilots.htm

[beana51]

Very interesting!...I wonder were all his kills athunicated?..with flim...never the less he sounds like a great fighter pilot.,bad news for our guys!...Personality I tend to be from Missouri with any thing from the then communist world...we know for American pilots Kills have to be clearly verified!...but my friend thanx and interesting!....


"It must be noted here that he do not claim any shootdown directly; he do not say "I shot down an F-86" but he simply describe what really happened, and such style is typical in all his reports. The confirmation of his victory would come from the Chinese ground troops, which capture the pilot of the F-86 downed by Pepelyayev. Unfortunately, even when the Chinese give the pilot's name to the Soviets, they changed the spelling in such way that even today is imposible to know who was this pilot (USAF never gave a complete list of the Sabre pilots taken prisoner), sending also the flight suite, the helmet and other pertenencies. This unknown pilot became that way in the first of the 19 victories credited to Colonel P"

Sounds Murky to me!<label for="rb_iconid_19">http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon26.gif</label>

[LonelyplanetXO]

Hmmm, what about Kurt Welter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Welter)? 20 confirmed kills in an ME262, 63 overall.

LPXO

[SpitXIV]

Boots Blesse?

Major General “Boots” Blesse, a double ace with two combat tours each in Korea

[aeromed202]

Does anyone know of any USMC Vietnam aces? I can't say where we met but this guy said he was at or near the top. Anybody have any names? I'll know it when I see it.

[SeanTK]

The top jet vs jet ace is:

Nikolay Sutyagin, with 21 "official" kills. Obviously, all of the different nations involved had different ways of "confirming" this, and the die-hards that maintain the Cold War attitude of "Russia(n) = Bad" will fight this, but it is what it is.
Perhaps it's wrong (I'm leaning towards imbellished, personally), perhaps it's right, but that's what their records show. I don't know either way. No side in a war can be trusted with kill numbers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Sutyagin

[Allen]

It's not hard for me to belive that a Russian is the jet-to-jet fighter ace.

[wombat666]

Sounds Murky to me!<label for="rb_iconid_19">http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon26.gif</label>

Seems more than well documented IMNSHO.
:kilroy:

[hubbabubba]

Hmmm, what about Kurt Welter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Welter)? 20 confirmed kills in an ME262, 63 overall.

LPXOI doubt that these were "jet-to-jet" victories...:kilroy:

I must say that this thread feels like a "groundhog day" kinda thing; it always starts with someone asking, then another someone answering it was an Israeli pilot, then another another someone saying no, it was a Soviet Union mercenary...

As confirmation rules were as different from nation to nation, and from conflict to conflict, it is a bit like trying to decide who was the best scorer between Gretzky, Babe Ruth and Pelé!

[Allen]

The jet-to-jet fighter ace category needs to be divided. Pre lock on missiles and post lock on missiles.<o:p></o:p>