GT-Legends.

[Ferry_vO]

Another racing sim from Simbin, the guys that did FIA/GTR racing !

http://www.gt-legends.com/

Over ninety cars from the 60's and 70's and ten tracks in different configurations.
Some of the cars : Corvette Sting Ray, Ford GT40, Ford Mustang, BMW 3.0 CSL, AC Cobra, De Tomaso Pantera, Merc 300 SL, Austin Healey and Mini Cooper.

A demo is available for download, here are some screenshots from it :

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/gtl04.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/gtl05.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/gtl02.jpg

The demo runs very smooth on high detail on my P4 2.6/1 Gb ram and ATi X800 pro.

Release is set for October !

[CybrSlydr]

But they're OLD cars! :D

Gimmie a modern 2005 F1 carset with good physics and I'll buy it. :D

[Ferry_vO]

But they're OLD cars! :D

Gimmie a modern 2005 F1 carset with good physics and I'll buy it. :D

Unless someone mods an old EA F1 game or perhaps FIA/GTR Racing, that's not gonna happen !

If you want a F1 game with 2005 cars, you'll need to buy a playstation I'm afraid. Seems Sony are the only ones willing or able to pay for the F1 licence.

At least you can drift and slide in these old cars !

[CybrSlydr]

Drifting and sliding - that's what Gran Tourismo is for. :)

Bah, if F1C is the best I'm gonna get for modern F1, then I guess that's what I'll stick with.

[Mike]

No old cars ... classic cars !

I saw this a couple of weeeks ago and tried to find out what the deal was with adding our own models but got nothing back . I am working on a alfa 158 that would look nice in here. They also seem to have a higher poly count compared to grand prix legends ( the other awesome classic car sim ).

My feeling is that it probably is a closed to other developers simulator. though . :( Nice screens btw will be checking this one out for sure. )

[CybrSlydr]

Classic=Old Plain and simple. :)

The only thing that I like that's older than me are WWII piston planes. :D

Those cars are just... ugly. Nasty styling and they're biiiig. Heavy.... Not race cars. Just b/c they have this "huge" engine in them doesn't mean crap.

Now, the McLaren/Mercedes F1 vehicle... Now THAT'S a performance car!

[Ferry_vO]

Although modern F1 cars are the most advanced cars around, they are also obsolete by the end of the season; Either because of rule changes or simply because the team can (or need to?) build a better car ! The lifespan of a F1 car is less than a year, as the next year's car will already be designed by July.

Most of the cars in GT-legends are not just classic, they are Icons !
In fifty years people will still talk about the design of the E-type, or the gullwing doors of the mercedes 300 SL.

People can still tell a Shelby Cobra from an Austin Healey, but can't tell a McLaren Mp4-16 from a 4-18.

Many classic battles were fought in those days, with the Americans relying on cubic inches and brute horsepower, while their british contestants favoured lightweight cars with smaller engines, but with better handling.

Try the difference between the Sting Ray Grand Sport and the Lotus Elan 26R for yourself in the demo.

[CybrSlydr]

I don't doubt a word you say, Ferror - you know aLOT more than I do about these things. I agree with you! I only have a general interest in them (F1 and cars) as I feel panache and finesse go hand in hand with modern designs, rather than "Who can cram the biggest engine into the car" of the bygone ear of F1 racing.

Modern F1, I feel, are the as of now pinnacle in the comination of "form and function". I like sleek, sexy and compact power rather than big, brute and in your face... demeanor, I guess you could say, of older cars.

I'm a patently modern guy when it comes to design with little to no respect for older "original" or "golden year" designs. They just pale in comparison with what we have now. I like progress! :D

[Ferry_vO]

Hate to say this, but everything about a F1 car is designed to be purely functional. Most designs look sleek because of the aerodynamics; If a part isn't creating downforce, it should create as little drag as possible. An F1 car still is a compromise between top speed (Good aerodynamics) and high downforce (creates lots of drag !).

F1 designers do not really care about how it looks, but only about how it works.
Notably ugly designs of the last years include the 'Walrus nose' Williams of last year, and the Tyrrell from 1997 with the extra set of wings right next to the cockpit.

Of course, wings were not introduced on F1 car until the end of 1968 (together with sponsorship). Road cars followed much later, so it was pretty much a battle of power (americans) versus handling (Brits and Germans) before that.

I love F1 myself and am very interested in the modern fighterjets, but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate a Shelby Cobra or a P-51 Mustang ! :)

[CybrSlydr]

I am a huge fan of the Warbird era of piston fighters - mostly as they represent the pinnacle of Piston-Engine design! Mk. XIV, P-51D, bubble-top P-47s, P-38s, Me-109s from the F4 forward, Fw-190s... Pushing the limits of designs rather than just strapping the biggest engine into the last model plane (I know it was more common to do that towards the end of the war for the Germans, but my comment still stands for the most part) irregardless of handling characteristics - much as the 60s and 70s era cars were, from the US anyway.

I totally agree that the F1 car is designed to be purely functional and that the form is just a coincidence - I just love aerodynamics enough that my appreciation for the designs are pretty much natural.

I love sleek, sexy and aerodynamic - precicely what modern F1 cars are! :D

As for the Walrus nose, I'm not quite sure I follow as I might know what you refer to, but haven't run across that term before to be sure I know what you mean.

As for the Tyrrell, I have only started following F1 loosely presently as F1C piqued my interest. I haven't a clue what you mean! :D

[Ferry_vO]

Here's two pictures of the cars I was talking about; The Walrus or tusk nosed Williams from last year, and the 'X-wing' Tyrrell 025 from 1997.

The X-wings were in fact a good idea, designed to fill a gap in the regulations. They were banned at the end of that year because other teams made even weirder looking structures. The FIA banned them because of 'safety regulations' claiming that the wings could hurt a driver when the broke off during an accident.

The Williams nose was not a good idea; It was changed back to a more regular nose halfway through the year.

[CybrSlydr]

Huh - that really is a funky looking design of the Tyrrell. Used to create more downforce along the body?

The picture of the Williams is the nose I thought you were referring to - I agree, it does look a bit... "wonky" (colloquial term - means 'funky' 'weird' 'strange' 'odd' if you didn't know).