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Panther_99FS

May 7th, 2011, 15:12

<TABLE><TBODY><TR class=odd><TD class=position>1</TD><TD class=number>4</TD><TD class=driver>Kasey Kahne (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Kasey_Kahne)</TD><TD class=model>Toyota</TD><TD class=sponsor>Red Bull</TD><TD class=best_speed>181.254</TD><TD class=total_time>27.131</TD><TD class=gap_time>Leader</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD class=position>2</TD><TD class=number>39</TD><TD class=driver>Ryan Newman (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Ryan_Newman)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD class=sponsor>Tornados</TD><TD class=best_speed>180.429</TD><TD class=total_time>27.255</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.124</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>3</TD><TD class=number>11</TD><TD class=driver>Denny Hamlin (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Denny_Hamlin)</TD><TD class=model>Toyota</TD><TD class=sponsor>Sport Clips</TD><TD class=best_speed>180.132</TD><TD class=total_time>27.300</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.169</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD class=position>4</TD><TD class=number>99</TD><TD class=driver>Carl Edwards (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Carl_Edwards)</TD><TD class=model>Ford</TD><TD class=sponsor>Aflac</TD><TD class=best_speed>179.980</TD><TD class=total_time>27.323</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.192</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>5</TD><TD class=number>24</TD><TD class=driver>Jeff Gordon (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Jeff_Gordon)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD class=sponsor>Drive to End Hunger</TD><TD class=best_speed>179.829</TD><TD class=total_time>27.346</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.215</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD class=position>6</TD><TD class=number>9</TD><TD class=driver>Marcos Ambrose (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Marcos_Ambrose)</TD><TD class=model>Ford</TD><TD class=sponsor>Stanley</TD><TD class=best_speed>179.671</TD><TD class=total_time>27.370</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.239</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>7</TD><TD class=number>43</TD><TD class=driver>A.J. 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class=model>Dodge</TD><TD class=sponsor>Miller Lite</TD><TD class=best_speed>179.082</TD><TD class=total_time>27.460</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.329</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>11</TD><TD class=number>6</TD><TD class=driver>David Ragan (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/David_Ragan)</TD><TD class=model>Ford</TD><TD class=sponsor>UPS "We Love Logistics"</TD><TD class=best_speed>179.076</TD><TD class=total_time>27.461</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.330</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD class=position>12</TD><TD class=number>1</TD><TD class=driver>Jamie McMurray (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Jamie_McMurray)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD class=sponsor>Bass Pro Shops / Tracker</TD><TD class=best_speed>178.880</TD><TD class=total_time>27.491</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.360</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>13</TD><TD class=number>29</TD><TD class=driver>Kevin Harvick (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Kevin_Harvick)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD 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(http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Clint_Bowyer)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD class=sponsor>BB&T</TD><TD class=best_speed>177.723</TD><TD class=total_time>27.670</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.539</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>27</TD><TD class=number>09</TD><TD class=driver>Landon Cassill (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Landon_Cassill)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD class=sponsor>Thank A Teacher Today / Security Benefit</TD><TD class=best_speed>177.672</TD><TD class=total_time>27.678</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.547</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD class=position>28</TD><TD class=number>5</TD><TD class=driver>Mark Martin (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Mark_Martin)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD class=sponsor>GoDaddy.com</TD><TD class=best_speed>177.614</TD><TD class=total_time>27.687</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.556</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>29</TD><TD class=number>56</TD><TD class=driver>Martin Truex Jr. (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Martin_Truex_Jr.)</TD><TD class=model>Toyota</TD><TD class=sponsor>NAPA Auto Parts</TD><TD class=best_speed>177.083</TD><TD class=total_time>27.770</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.639</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD class=position>30</TD><TD class=number>88</TD><TD class=driver>Dale Earnhardt Jr. (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Dale_Earnhardt_Jr.)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD class=sponsor>Amp Energy Sugar Free / National Guard</TD><TD class=best_speed>176.721</TD><TD class=total_time>27.827</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.696</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>31</TD><TD class=number>46</TD><TD class=driver>J.J. Yeley (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/J.J._Yeley)</TD><TD class=model>Chevrolet</TD><TD class=sponsor>Red Line Oil</TD><TD class=best_speed>176.682</TD><TD class=total_time>27.833</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.702</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD class=position>32</TD><TD class=number>13</TD><TD class=driver>Casey Mears (http://news.speedtv.com/topic/Casey_Mears)</TD><TD class=model>Toyota</TD><TD class=sponsor>GEICO</TD><TD class=best_speed>176.391</TD><TD class=total_time>27.879</TD><TD class=gap_time>-0.748</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD class=position>33</TD><TD class=number>150</TD><TD class=driver>T.J. 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eddie

May 7th, 2011, 19:57

Great win for Smith, lots of laughs going on between Harvick and Busch!LOL

EasyEd

May 7th, 2011, 21:22

Hey All,

What a finish to a race!! I was really really happy to see Regan Smith win one and at Darlington no less - sort of makes up for Talledega a few years ago. Regan Smith and his team are one of the unsung really good guys out there. Also in case you didn't know the 78 (driven by Regan) uses a Stewart Haas trained pit crew and the chassis and engines are from RCR. So sort of a win for RCR.

On to other things.

1) Montoya - Panther is this guy ever gonna show any talent in a stockcar on a round track or is he just another moving open wheel chicane? At least he smartened up after - I think the announcers were probably right suggesting this - Ganassi (I suspect) got a call from NASCAR saying Montoya straightens up his act or else. He suddenly drove sensibly.

2) I saw the biggest act of cowardice and reckless endangerment I have - I think - ever seen in NASCAR tonight. NASCAR had better get this one right. I'll wait to see what Caz says before I say anymore.

-Ed-

Panther_99FS

May 7th, 2011, 21:29

1) Montoya - Panther is this guy ever gonna show any talent in a stockcar on a round track or is he just another moving open wheel chicane?
-Ed-

No need for me to give an answer since you've already made up your mind here :wiggle:

As far as the other thing is concerned, Harvick is a punk and it's obvious that Harvick can dish it out but he can't take it...

EasyEd

May 7th, 2011, 21:39

Hey All,

Panther I suggest you watch the race before commenting. If you did watch it I'm absolutely astonished that you actually approve of a driver spinning out an empty driverless car on pit road. That is the problem - NASCAR shouldn't tolerate that kind of behaviour for even one single second.

Montoya's anal retentive driving is secondary.

-Ed-

Panther_99FS

May 7th, 2011, 21:45

Hey All,

Panther I suggest you watch the race before commenting.
-Ed-

I watched the entire race from flag to flag & I stand firm on my statement...Bravo to Kyle!

EasyEd

May 7th, 2011, 21:54

Hey All,

I have nothing to say to this except I think it is absolutely wrong and inexcusable to hit driverless empty race cars on pit road where people are walking endangering them by putting that car in motion. You disagree - I don't even begin to understand your approval of that kind of action but so be it.

-Ed-

Panther_99FS

May 7th, 2011, 22:04

Kyle's action was a re-action to a Harvick action.... I still stand by Kyle....

Terry

May 8th, 2011, 03:15

Fun race from the Red Bull can opener to the bad boy temper tantrum and the first win by a nice young man. Thoroughly enjoyable evening.

Yes, pushing the empty car was a bad , and stupid move as I'm sure will be be noted Tuesday when the fines are announced.

stansdds

May 8th, 2011, 03:50

Cazzie

May 8th, 2011, 06:25

Kyle's action was a re-action to a Harvick action.... I still stand by Kyle....

Ditto here, if people think Rowdy is an arrogant bassick, they haven't known Harvick yet. He's an A-hole, pure and simple, never makes a mistake or poohs the scrooch, it's always somebody else's fault. Hitting a driverless car was wrong on Kyle's part though. Kyle's excuse was, it was either get out and fight Harvick or move on. And Harvick's car was in the way of him moving on. :>) They both will get fines, I am sure. But I hope some day, someone puts a fist in Harvick's choppers and shuts his cake hole up. About every driver in NASCAR hates Harvick, except maybe the Childress team drivers. He has an "X" in the cross-hairs of all of them and he is going to pay the piper one day. Brad Keslowski is another marked Cup driver, he's a reckless SOB with a worthless mouth to boot.

I am pissed at NASCAR too for throwing the yellow after JJ's spin last night. What was the reason for that? He didn't hit anyone or anything, if it had been anyone else who had spun and brought out the caution on his own by smoking tires other than JJ, they would have been penalized a lap for pitting with the lead group. Not JJ, lucky schmuck gets to stay on the lead lap and pit with the others. Glad he finished out of the top ten, he deserves a lower finish though. NASCAR 'is" biased!

I did enjoy seeing a first timer win and seeing Denny get a top ten finish despite a rough night.

Caz

Panther_99FS

May 8th, 2011, 08:09

Ditto here, if people think Rowdy is an arrogant bassick, they haven't known Harvick yet. He's an A-hole, pure and simple, never makes a mistake or poohs the scrooch, it's always somebody else's fault. ...About every driver in NASCAR hates Harvick, except maybe the Childress team drivers. He has an "X" in the cross-hairs of all of them and he is going to pay the piper one day.
Caz

Cazz,
You are so spot-on here!!! :ernae:
And I can't think of anyone better to stick it to Harvick than o'l Kyle......:applause:

EasyEd

May 8th, 2011, 09:16

Hey All,

Hitting a driverless car was wrong on Kyle's part though. Kyle's excuse was, it was either get out and fight Harvick or move on. And Harvick's car was in the way of him moving on.

At least you recognized the KEY point. In this case you get out and fight - any old time NASCAR driver would have done exactly that. Especially after deliberately taking Harvick out on track. You absolutely do not spin a driverless car on pit road endangering peoples lives. This is the point that NASCAR must come down on heavily. I would expect to see Kyle suspended for at least one week for that one single move alone - this is a line that no driver should be allowed to cross - no excuses are valid - none. Fines and probation for the rest of it - well fine but we'll see on tuesday.

I don't care for Harvick and I care even less for Kyle Busch and Edwards.

Bad blood between Kevin and Kyle - well that is just fine with me. Gets their eyes off the prize I like that.

Brad Keselowski did a great thing last night pushing the 78 who had spun his tires in front of Carl. Can't fault him for that.

-Ed-

PRB

May 8th, 2011, 09:37

Well, I will admit to perhaps not paying 100% attention to the TV coverage up until the point that Kyle turned Harvick into the wall, but from the post-incident replays, it looked like a coupe of “racin deals”, then Harvick bumped Busch's bumper, which didn't even upset the 18 car. Then when the 33 attempted that 3-wide pass, he caused mayhem and bumper-cars between the 33, 29, and 18. Then Kyle selected “Master Arm” and went for the “kill shot” (as it were) hooking Harvick's car into the wall. The post-race antics on pit road were very entertaining. I can't imagine NASCAR not fining Busch for that BS about pushing Harvick's driverless car into the pit road wall. A bit dangerous, no? They will probably fine them both, although I didn't see anything Harvick did that should warrant a fine.

Good to see Regan Smith get his first win. That was cool.

eddie

May 8th, 2011, 09:40

I totally agree EasyEd, I don't care who did what to whomever, spinning that car at that time was plain Ignorant!! If it had hit someone in the pit area, I guess it would be ok Just because someone believe's it was Harvicks fault is nothing but BS!!

Panther_99FS

May 8th, 2011, 09:47

EasyEd

May 8th, 2011, 10:44

Hey All,

Nothing dangerous about it. Even LaBonte's car had limped by them by the time this happened. The race was over. I know of no rule requiring Harvick to return to his pit at the end of the race. He can stop anywhere he likes. All Kyle had to do was backup and go around him. Kyle chose not to instead he spun a car on pit road. Kyle has to answer for this - it is called accountability. I can't believe the excuses in defense of Kyle who really has NO defense to an action he chose to take.

As an aside I'm hearing LaBonte was wrecked because Kyle knocked Marcos out of his way who then collected LaBonte - but I haven't seen any film yet - so I can't verify it. Marcos is another driver who will not get out of Kyle's way just cause he is Kyle.

Kyle is a hotshot in Trucks and Nationwide because he almost always has by far and away the best truck/car on the track not because of his talent. So those showy moves are all truck or car not Kyle. Unfortunately for him he has to play with the big boys when it comes to Cup which is why in 6 years he has never finished better than 5th in the points and only has 21 wins. If you noticed Gordon had 26 by this time in his career and 3 championships. Just the facts maam just the facts.

-Ed-

redriver6

May 8th, 2011, 14:16

Harvick,
Made HIS DECISION to get out of his car and LEAVE his car in a dangerous place - Harvick is equally as responsible....Harvick could have chosen to park his car in the CORRECT AREA and then take up his issues with Kyle, but Harvick chose to leave his car in a DANGEROUS PLACE ......hence why I still stand by Kyle...

Go Rowdy!

i'm with you on this one P....Harvick is a punk and he thought he could pull one of his 'look at what bada$$ i am' stunts and it backfired on him.

Panther_99FS

May 8th, 2011, 14:19

Harvick charged toward Busch's hauler and challenged his entire team to a fight.
"Y'all are a bunch of [expletives]!" Harvick exclaimed.

"I was just trying to get away from the situation with Harvick and unfortunately he got to pit road before me -- so I pulled in behind him," Busch said. "[Harvick] let the 47 [car of driver Bobby Labonte (http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/blabonte00/cup/index.html)] go, but I knew if I tried to turn left or right he was going to run into me or block me or something. I just stayed behind him. I was just going to sit there, not worry about it and let him cool his head for a second and let him figure out that we just needed to go back to the garage area.
"Instead of him doing that, he wanted to get out of his car, I guess, and wanted to fight. I knew that wasn't going to be a good situation. ... My choices were limited. I was either going to get punched in the face and then wait for Harvick to get back in his car, or just drive through his car and push it out of the way so I could get out of there."

The true Harvick exposed....You go Kyle!

--> http://www.nascar.com/news/110508/kybusch-kharvick-darlington-feud/index.html

EasyEd

May 8th, 2011, 15:03

Hey All,

Panther you are just having such a hard time with this. Let me put it simply - the actions of Harvick are NO justification for what Busch did. No justification whatsoever. You don't endanger other people just to save yourself. Rightly or wrongly Harvick has guts Busch has none. Now why in the world would you not quote the other parts of that article that really matter.

Busch said later that he tried to avoid Harvick after the race, and that he had no reverse gear operational in his car.

... insert panthers quote...

Busch said he regretted the fact that he might have placed some standers-by in danger by doing so. "Unfortunately there were some men walking down pit road. I hate it that somebody could have gotten hurt, but I was just trying to get away from it and get back to my hauler and go on with my own business," Busch said.It's unfortunate that somebody could have gotten hurt... but I had to run away... Jeez...

And lets just look a little further. Kyle said he had no reverse - lets check the video...

watch 14 sec mark to about 20 sec mark

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This is your kind of hero Panther you can have him. I happen to believe in truth and accountability. We'll see what happens on tuesday.

-Ed-

PS Kyle is just lucky Delana wasn't at the end of pit road to deal with him instead of Kevin!

Panther_99FS

May 8th, 2011, 17:04

i'm with you on this one P....Harvick is a punk and he thought he could pull one of his 'look at what bada$$ i am' stunts and it backfired on him.

Yep,
It sure did backfire on Harvick......

Panther_99FS

May 8th, 2011, 17:20

I should add one thing....
Though Kyle may get fined/penalized for his act, the bottom line is that as I said before, Kyle's "act" was a re-action to a Harvick action....

'Bout time someone stood up to Harvick....

wombat666

May 8th, 2011, 19:18

'NASCAR' is just the automotive pits when it comes to on track discipline and manners.

Of course, I understand the great unwashed love that 'Ringside with the Wrestlers' behaviour.
And yes, we did watch the entire shooting match.

The bad behaviour off track almost matched the crap behaviour on track.

Plus the 'We'll get him another time' radio remark to a grumpy driver from his supposed 'Crew Chief' should be grounds for a lengthy suspension.

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Panther_99FS

May 8th, 2011, 19:26

Hey All,

Panther you are just having such a hard time with this. Let me put it simply - the actions of Harvick are NO justification for what Busch did. No justification whatsoever. You don't endanger other people just to save yourself.

Nope,
You are the one having the hard time here....And judging by the responses in this thread, I'm not the only who sees things in favor of Kyle....If you can't see that "it takes two tango", then we'll have to disagree here...

Again, Kyle's action wasn't done out of the blue - it was a re-action to a Harvick action.(i.e. Harvick's attempt to punch Kyle out)...Harvick attempted to get physical with Kyle....It appears to me that you support the physical violence that Harvick tried to do to Kyle ....And speaking of innocent people, Harvick also threatened Kyle's entire crew who had no part in the melee whatsoever! Harvick is damn lucky that Kyle's crew didn't pulverize him!

When you can see that it takes two to tango & that Harvick is by no means innocent, then I'll be able to see your point of view...

EasyEd

May 8th, 2011, 20:53

Hey All,

Panther you need to actually go through my posts and read them. At no point did I say Harvick did nothing wrong at no point did I say he was in the right nor did I say I'm a fan of Harvick. What I said was Busch chose in his cowardice to endanger peoples safety on pit road by spinning an empty driverless car and for that needs to be sanctioned. The lie about not having reverse just adds to the illustration of his character - he did not lose reverse in the previous 40 odd seconds. Each and every moment of the whole string of events was a decision point and Busch sitting in the car thought of and chose to endanger people - he even admitted it. That is wrong and that is what you can't seem to understand.

Make no mistake about it Harvick went after Busch and Busch alone and did not endanger other pedestrians on pit road. Rightly or wrongly Harvick called Busch out and Busch ran while endangering others - simple as that. If Busch is going to take on Harvick he should at least have the guts to face him - either that or not mess with him in the first place. Your post saying that Busch stood up to Harvick is just not so - Busch ran while using a car as a weapon - and all of NASCAR nation saw it.

-Ed-

Panther_99FS

May 9th, 2011, 04:50

EasyEd,
You're still not getting it...

OF COURSE KYLE WILL BE PENALIZED, FINED, SUSPENDED OR ALL 3!!!!! (Judgement here by NASCAR is an "easy kill")

The true test of NASCAR's resolve & how fair they are will be determined by their treatment of Harvick....Kyle is already at a disadvantage here since RCR has a much better relationship with NASCAR than Joe Gibbs....If Harvick gets through this whole ordeal squeaky clean, then I will have lost all faith in NASCAR....As I said before, this was a 2 person incident, not one....

PRB

May 9th, 2011, 05:56

Well yes, "it" was a "two person incident", but mostly "it" was "racin deals" and "boyz-av-addit" under green. Kyle's BS story about not having reverse gear and having "no choice" but to do what he did is really lame. Note to Kyle: If you're that afraid of a driver that you have to drive through parked cars to run away, perhaps it's a bad idea to hook that driver's car into the wall at 180 mph, because he'll probably want to punch you in the nose after the race! :icon_lol:

Daveroo

May 9th, 2011, 09:12

whats obvious to me here in this..is easy ed hates busch and wont accept anything he does as ok....period...jayski page says he may get a 5000 dollar fine and probation ( they say nothing of that fool Harvick)but what ive read on this thread is pure and blatant hatered of kyle busch...easy ed will never bend or give into anything kyles done...they said all weekend that David Pierson was the bes darlington had ever seen..yet david pierson and bud moore BOTH predicted kyle would be the sports grreatest drive ever...yes dale lovers...even better than the dales....

before dale earndhart died...they would do polls amoung the active drivers as to who was the best driver...they werent fan votes..and almost unainomously (sp) David pierson won...yes he beat Petty and daleboi..wasnt who was most popular...wasnt prettiest...was who was the best.......Kyle would win today too!!!!!!!!!

Panther_99FS

May 9th, 2011, 10:20

You know the funny thing about this is that I used to hate Kyle....

EasyEd

May 9th, 2011, 17:16

Hey All,

I don't hate Kyle - don't like him for sure but hate is too strong a word. What I do not believe should be tolerated in any way shape or form is drivers who put pit crew members other drivers and pedestrians in danger on pit road by deliberately hitting and moving parked cars. That needs to be punished. Harvick did not step on the gas in the 18 and hit the driverless 29 - Kyle did - that is the difference.

Make no mistake about it Pearson was the best ever - he only tried to win the championship 4 times by running the full season and won it 3 of those times. That is winning the Championship 75% of the times you even try. Jimmy is above 50% nobody else is close. You judge the best ever by what they produce and achieve - Kyle is woefully lacking. A fancy dan move on the track don't mean squat if it doesn't get you anything. Every driver out there can wiggle the wheel. Results are what count. Results are what the history books record.

If you want to theorize about what driver could do magical things with a car on the track well Kyle Busch isn't good enough to even be considered in the same breath as Tim Richmond or Davey Allison for that matter.

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We'll see if Kyle ever measures up to anything - maybe he will but he'll have to earn it - he didn't on Saturday.

-Ed-

Terry

May 10th, 2011, 04:10

Friday night may prove interesting. Both Kyle and Kevin are in the truck race. But on the other hand NASCAR may have scared them into behaving.

Daveroo

May 10th, 2011, 08:33

Harvick -Busch fined, probation: per a Kevin Harvick tweet (http://twitter.com/#%21/KevinHarvick): "4 weeks probation and $25,000 fine....I understand because of the car on pit road.." And from ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=6520143&campaign=link&source=JAYSKI): Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch were placed on four weeks' probation and fined $25,000 Tuesday for their pit road confrontation following Saturday night's Sprint Cup race at Darlington Raceway. Harvick tweeted about his penalty and officials from Kevin Harvick Inc. confirmed the punishment Tuesday.
AND NASCAR has penalized NASCAR Sprint Cup Series drivers Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick as a result of rules infractions committed at last weekend's event at Darlington Raceway. Busch, driver of the #18 car, and Harvick, driver of the #29 car, have each been fined $25,000 and placed on NASCAR probation for the next four NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship points events until June 15 for violating Section 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing involved in an altercation on pit road after the conclusion of the race). "These penalties are a result of what occurred on pit road after the race was over," said Kerry Tharp, senior director for communications, competition. "They are about maintaining a safe environment on pit road."(NASCAR)(5-10-2011)