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hey_moe
October 1st, 2008, 17:06
Over the last few years, content owners have tried a variety of approaches to combat the sharing of copyrighted files, but of late, their attention has focused on a basic solution: kick the pirates off the Internet entirely. A so-called "three strikes" policy would see ISPs provide users that had been caught sharing copyrighted material with two warnings, after which they would be disconnected. Even though most of the three strikes action has occurred in Europe, one US ISP has apparently implemented it, and justified its action with a spurious argument: the DMCA made them do it.
Internationally, content owners have been excited by the prospect (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080819-ifpi-three-strikes-efforts-hit-worldwide-home-run.html) of three strikes-regulation. The idea would be that copyright holders could notify ISPs of people engaging in filesharing of unlicensed content. The ISPs would, in turn warn the user about the legal dubiousness of this activity, and provide them with hints as to how to secure their networks and eliminate P2P software from their machines. If two warnings aren't sufficient, the ISP would simply disconnect the user on the third offense.
So far, however, the closest the policy has come to implementation is in the UK, where some ISPs have voluntarily agreed to send out warning letters (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080606-uk-isp-bows-to-record-industry-to-send-p2p-warning-letters.html), but haven't agreed to actually pull the plug on anyone. In fact, the European Parliament has just taken a major step (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080928-eu-parliament-judges-must-be-involved-in-three-strikes-rules.html) to block that from ever happening. An amendment to a telecom bill would require that any disconnection be reviewed by the courts, which would probably make the process as painful, if not more so, than filing a lawsuit and seeking damages.
In the US, the RIAA has gone for the lawsuit/damages approach, and there has been little talk of agitating for a three-strikes law. Accusations are flying, however, that this may be a case of all action, no talk. TorrentFreak has posted the tale of one of its users, a Cox Communications subscriber, who has apparently been disconnected (http://torrentfreak.com/cox-disconnects-alleged-pirates-from-the-internet-080930/) after what he claimed was his third strike. The report came complete with a screenshot of the warning page the user was referred to.
http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/cox.jpg We were unable to find the text of this page by searching Cox's site. Assuming it's accurate, however, the most striking aspect of the page is that Cox claims it is required to take this action by the DMCA, a claim that is simply false.
There doesn't seem to be any reason to lie here; sharing copyrighted material is against Cox's acceptable use (http://www.cox.com/policy/default.asp#aup_3) policy, so the company appears to have every right to terminate service. A spokesman for Cox told Ars that the screenshot simply reflects part of the process by which the company responds to a DMCA takedown notice. The company considers it essential to alert its customers when they are the target of these, and attempts to do so by e-mail. Only when that fails do users wind up having their browser redirected to the warning page.
Cox estimates that it has received hundreds of thousands of DMCA complaints, but has terminated accounts in "less than one-tenth of one percent" of these cases. As he described it, there is nothing like a three strikes policy in place.
There seem to be two problems, however, with this course of action. The first is that the company is needlessly muddying the waters in an area of law (the DMCA) that has become more and more significant to computer users as user-generated content has increased in popularity. Perhaps more importantly, however, Cox is pursuing its policy following unsubstantiated accusations of copyright violations, precisely the sort of action that the EU has decided was not going to cut it. After all, it's possible to get DMCA takedown notices sent to printers (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080605-study-paints-grim-picture-of-automated-dmca-notice-accuracy.html). SOURCE: ARS

Drake
October 1st, 2008, 17:13
Great. Can't wait til the false positives start and flying on this one and people who haven't done anything wrong get screwed.

Lionheart
October 1st, 2008, 17:28
Ok, check this out.


I was searching the internet via Google for various textures, like round speaker grilles, leather seats, TruTrac autopilot faces, etc. I found myself on a pirate site by mistake. I clicked on the photo at Google, it takes you to the page its at, and its a Torrent site.

The next day, and many times after that, I get these emails that I am going to have my internet privilleges revoked...


lol.... Here I am, hit by piracy all the time, and the law is going to come after me... Go figure.

:costumes:

azflyboy
October 1st, 2008, 18:20
Ok, check this out.


I was searching the internet via Google for various textures, like round speaker grilles, leather seats, TruTrac autopilot faces, etc. I found myself on a pirate site by mistake. I clicked on the photo at Google, it takes you to the page its at, and its a Torrent site.

The next day, and many times after that, I get these emails that I am going to have my internet privilleges revoked...


lol.... Here I am, hit by piracy all the time, and the law is going to come after me... Go figure.

:costumes:


Are you sure those were legitimate notices from your ISP instead of just some kind of phishing or other scam? Frankly, that sounds like one of those "you have spyware on your PC!!!" kinds of scams to me.

If you didn't share any files or visit a site directly hosting illegal content (child porn or something), you did nothing wrong, and I can't see how an ISP can threaten you for just visiting a website, since that would probably get them in legal trouble.

Lionheart
October 1st, 2008, 18:37
Hey AzFlyBoy,


It wasnt from my ISP, some other group. I can only think it was a 'scare tactic'. Reading this though did get me a bit worried via those messages.

Crazy how things can work.


Bill

azflyboy
October 1st, 2008, 19:08
Did you happen to look up the group on Google?

That sounds somewhat like MediaSentry (who do the RIAA's dirty work), but those companies always use snail mail to blackmail people, since you can't send legal documents through email.

My guess is that the messages were from a bunch of scammers who somehow got your email address and would probably ask for money or personal information at some point before vanishing.

MCDesigns
October 2nd, 2008, 05:46
Sorry, but I can't take anything from "TorrentFreak" as serious (they should shut that site down!).

I like the idea of disconnecting the scum that frequent torrent sites, but I agree, I can see it getting taken advantage of and the rules being bent.

Craig Taylor
October 2nd, 2008, 08:53
Hey AzFlyBoy,


It wasnt from my ISP, some other group. I can only think it was a 'scare tactic'. Reading this though did get me a bit worried via those messages.

Crazy how things can work.


Bill
How did they know who you were, or what email address to contact you?

Lionheart
October 2nd, 2008, 10:35
Hey Craig,

I have no idea. I know that the day before I was getting the emails, I had gone into a torrent site by mistake per a Google image hunt and then the emails started coming in that my stealing of software at Torrent sites was reported and my ability to go on the internet would soon be taken away if I didnt clean up my act.

If that is what the pirates are getting also, then this is a good thing.

:d

......and no, I didnt go there to steal anything or the like. I was in search of images for textures on my latest project (the Kodiak).

I fear (knock on wood) that I havent found more bad sites and bugs by searching for images. Reminds me, I need to back things up.


Bill

Buddha13
October 2nd, 2008, 10:59
Hi all,
My only worry about this is that it might be thin edge of the wedge.How long before we are told what web sites we can go on.When will political forums suddenly become targets.
The freedom of speech is very fragile and this looks like the beginning of censorship.

Buddha13

Craig Taylor
October 2nd, 2008, 12:08
Bill,

Thanks for the quick reply. I asked the question out of ignorance, mainly, regarding how anyone could tell that you had even visited a site, and then managed to get enough personal ID information to start threatening you with emails. It's worrisome in the *free* society we (most of us, anyway) are supposed to be living in.

Thanks,
Craig

Buddha13
October 2nd, 2008, 15:25
Hi Craig,
Unless you let the web site know who you are.They cannot tell who you are.They can how ever get your ISP address.Unless you have a dynamic address this never changes and you can be traced from that.
To do this a company/law enforcement agency would have to contact your ISP and request who you are from them.So it should only be legal compainies who are given the information.Even then they would probably need a court order to gain it.
Some corrupt/illegal web sites sometimes try to put Trojans or tracking cookies onto your machine to try and gain more information.
decent Anti-spyware and AV software with a firewall should stop that.

Buddha13

Craig Taylor
October 6th, 2008, 09:04
That's what I figured. I just didn't know how they targeted Lionheart, and that's why I was concerned.