Huub's fault...

[jankees]

It's Huub's fault, for bringing the RCS B-25 to my attention again...
I've always liked the model, but disliked the imaginary paintjobs...
so I gave it a try....whoever thought of the way the textures are organised should be...well, you'll think of something yourself.
However, with a bit of perseverance, I can now show you my first attempts...

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9806.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9805.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9803.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9802.jpg

still some work to be done, but I thought it's going in the right direction...any comments?

btw, don't count on a lot of paintjobs for this one...

[big-mike]

When???
Where?????
Michael

[dharris]

Is that Warchild on the nose? Looks outstanding so far. One of my favorite planes.

[IanP]

I seem to remember reading that they flat-out banned repaints of their model, which was why no-one had done it?

I may be wrong on that, in which case apologies, but it's a very strong recollection.

Ian P.

[Bone]

I remember there were a few threads about this plane sometime back, but I didn't pay much attention to this model. If it's freeware, could someone provide a link to it?

[HenryW]

I remember there were a few threads about this plane sometime back, but I didn't pay much attention to this model. If it's freeware, could someone provide a link to it?

http://www.roychaffin.com/rcs-panels.html

[jankees]

I had the same recollection, but couldn't find anything on this on their website (http://www.roychaffin.com/rcs-panels.html), which where you can find this model.

[peter12213]

Does this have a VC?

[dharris]

I think that there was not a paintkit because of the way the textures were done. That is the reason Roy did not do anymore, as I recall him saying. But memory fades.....

[dharris]

There is a VC........

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/dharris1_photo/2011-2-12_17-37-21-3.jpg


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/dharris1_photo/2011-2-12_17-43-52-554.jpg

[huub vink]

Sorry Jan Kees, but I like the repaint ;)

Huub

[Bone]

http://www.roychaffin.com/rcs-panels.html


thanks

[IanP]

People are allowed to change their minds. ;)

I hope they have allowed them, because that's looking pretty good there, Jan Kees!

Ian P.

[Stan V.]

There is a VC........

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/dharris1_photo/2011-2-12_17-37-21-3.jpg


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/dharris1_photo/2011-2-12_17-43-52-554.jpg

But below about where the top photo ends, it is a bit barren in the VC view - no yokes or any gauges. Other than that, it is great. If only someone would finish it...

[txnetcop]

Roy OUTDID himself with this baby!!! I love it!
Ted

[Pips]

Thank heavens your now waving your magic wand over this aeroplane Jankees! The RCS B-25 has been crying out for some decent skins. :salute:

Luv the skin! :jump:

[jankees]

hey, that doesn't look half bad either, dharris!
Seems I'm not the only one nuts enough to tackle this baby...

Meanwhile, I had the tail markings a bit too low (bugger, these are spread over how many texture files?), so this should be better:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9816.jpg

No, that was not Warchild on the nose, though she uses the same image as avatar, but one of the many Vargas pin ups. "Dreamy Time Gal" was an aircraft of the 489th BS/340th BG, operating out of Allesani on the USS Corsica, completing 30 missions until the end of the war

and while I had to revisit all those b****y little files, I might as well do another.
I'm particularly fond of the Corsican B-25's, with those big tail markings, so here's 7B "Bitch n Mitch" of the 487th BS/340th BG:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9820.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9823.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9826.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9828.jpg

I always thought this was a FSX native bird, but look at those props....
can't wait for the Vertigo version!

[Lateral-G]

Very nice!

Greatwork Jankees :salute:

[wombat666]

I seem to remember reading that they flat-out banned repaints of their model, which was why no-one had done it?

I may be wrong on that, in which case apologies, but it's a very strong recollection.

Ian P.

IIRC there were some ugly confrontations with MAAM, going back to FS2002 days.
Something to do with a conflict of interests or other angst!
Of course, I may be wrong but it has a ring of truth to it, and I was very grumpy about a lack of repaints, as I (just me, myself) preferred this aircraft to the MAAM version.
Nice paint indeed, now of it was wearing white/blue RAAF roundels it would be so much nicer...:jump:

[LCBORDEN]

This is an excellent product, I've flown it a lot in both FS9 and FSX..I'm very excited about any new textures for this. I had the opportunity as a young child to be friends with the son of a "25" pilot from the pacific theatre...He brought his plane home and bought it when it was going to be scrapped...I remember him landing it behind his fathers house about 1/4 mile from where I lived, it was plenty amazing as his fathers alfalfa field was maybe only 10 or twelve acres. He (the pilot) was a rough and gruff fellow who was never without a cigar clamped in his teeth. He was a pilot for one of the national route airlines (Capital I think) so was not home much...but When he would go to the airport to tinker on his several planes he would take his son and me along...Awesome is how I remember it. He would start each one, warm it up run some system checks then move on to the next...I recall sitting in the co-pilot position as he ran up the 25...Wow was that noisy and the vibrations were unimaginable.Then his son and I would wash or wax which ever plane he said needed it, it takes a long time to wash a 25..he was the first one to take me up...in an old taylorcraft...I remember him flying with just a couple fingers in touch with the yoke...(on any flight he never actually held the aircraft but carressed it) anyway...I know this is a ramble but I was ten...and very impressed with his 'Patsy' (I assume named for his wife, a stunning brunette) The local ladies group forced him to remove the nose art as being "un-fit for children to see" late 1950s remember, but the outline remained....pretty cool probably why I love brunettes..

Ol' jarhead:wavey:

[Hurricane91]

I remember him landing it behind his fathers house about 1/4 mile from where I lived,...

That's a great story LC. I enjoyed it very much, thanks for sharing.

[IanP]

IIRC there were some ugly confrontations with MAAM, going back to FS2002 days.
Something to do with a conflict of interests or other angst!
Of course, I may be wrong but it has a ring of truth to it, and I was very grumpy about a lack of repaints, as I (just me, myself) preferred this aircraft to the MAAM version.
Nice paint indeed, now of it was wearing white/blue RAAF roundels it would be so much nicer...:jump:

It was more than "conflicts of interest", it was basically taking MAAM-SIM's model, tweaking some textures and claiming it as Roy's own work after he was asked to leave MAAM-SIM (and then claimed he invented MAAM-SIM, amongst other things!) I was involved in that and still have quite strong feelings.

That was, however, an entirely different model than this one - a lot earlier and a complete rebuild ago. This model has no relation at all to Jan's that I am aware of. It also has a VC, which that version didn't.

I'm wondering whether the repaint ban was on the previous version as well, which may well be why we can't find it... The model dev for the new version was/is a member here if I remember correctly, so maybe he can comment more?

Interested to see what people can come up with for this one, anyway... :)

Ian P.

[LCBORDEN]

That's a great story LC. I enjoyed it very much, thanks for sharing.


you're welcome Hurricane....the thing about his landing behind his fathers house, the field was not, I repeat not very dang long, maybe 700 feet...his brother had his house at the end of the field so not a lot of room for error....My fathers place was just down a small hill from there...I was in the back yard one day when I heard this deep rumble....before I knew what was what this B-25 was headed down...I grabbed my bicycle and headed up the hill to see how bad the crash was....He was just shutting down the engines having pulled up alongside his fathers barn...I remember being very impressed especially as I had recently seen the movie "30 seconds over tokyo" and had read how difficult it was to take off and land on such a short field...about a month later he took off on an early Saturday morning....that got all the neighbors out of their houses real quick...We could see the dust but not the plane as it roared down the alfalfa field...then zoom it was up...making one heck of a racket... anyway....one of my fondest childhood memories...especially as I became friends with his sons and got to spend quite a bit of time around his planes.

Ol'Jarhead:wavey:

[LCBORDEN]

Hey all you texture artist that are taking on this challenge...BE SURE TO LET US OLD FARTS KNOW WHERE YOU WILL POST THEM .....thats about it....just looking forward to adding these excellent textures to the B25 Hangar...


Ol' Jarhead:wavey:

[jankees]

I finally found it, down in the manuals:

Repaints
RCS Panels will not grant permission for any repaints of this package. The only repaints allowed, will be those done by RCS Panels team members. Any requests for particular liveries should be sent to RCS Panels at :- roy@roychaffin.com


oh well

[dvj]

I finally found it, down in the manuals:

Repaints
RCS Panels will not grant permission for any repaints of this package. The only repaints allowed, will be those done by RCS Panels team members. Any requests for particular liveries should be sent to RCS Panels at :- roy@roychaffin.com


oh well


Nice work here on these pages anyways.

[Bone]

Repaints
RCS Panels will not grant permission for any repaints of this package. The only repaints allowed, will be those done by RCS Panels team members. Any requests for particular liveries should be sent to RCS Panels at :- roy@roychaffin.com


oh well

It's nice that this gentleman put the time in to make the model, and then made it available. But, this is a little cheeky.

[expat]

Cool thread.

Over the moon that someone is grasping the nettle to do some more paints for this very under-rated and overlooked freeware FSX B-25. Understand that doing paints for this bird is "involved" so any additions VERY much appreciated.

Funny, as it happens, over in the States this week for a few days and my son and I had a few minutes this morning to kill while my wife and daughter are off shopping and swing by Vero Beach airport KVRB where this last of its kind B-25 H is sitting in the sun following an air show this past weekend.

Later in the afternoon when I heard this roar of radials I ran out of our house to see her banking gracefully over the beach. What a rare treat and taste of the past.

[expat]

It's nice that this gentleman put the time in to make the model, and then made it available. But, this is a little cheeky.

Roy being a very decent sort I would have thought would not object to some nice repaints that encouraged the appreciation of others. That is just IMHO of course.

[jankees]

well, I asked him, we'll see..

[huub vink]

It's nice that this gentleman put the time in to make the model, and then made it available. But, this is a little cheeky.

In the past I had some e-mail contact with Steve Wayne, who did the paintwork for the RCS B-25 and we briefly discussed this topic.

In my understanding RCS wanted to keep control over the repaints made, as they would like to offer the owners from real B-25s to release their own virtual B-25 to raise money. Similar as with MAAM, but in this case open for all owners from Mitchel bombers. I know they have rendered this service to at least one foundation which owns a B-25 Mitchell. ( http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/fltsim/default.htm )

So perhaps not that cheeky after all.....

Cheers,
Huub

[Bone]

In the past I had some e-mail contact with Steve Wayne, who did the paintwork for the RCS B-25 and we briefly discussed this topic.

In my understanding RCS wanted to keep control over the repaints made, as they would like to offer the owners from B-25s to release their own virtual B-25 to raise money. Similar as with MAAM, but in this case open for all owners from Mitchel bombers. I know they have rendered this service to at least one foundation which owns a B-25 Mitchell.

So perhaps not that cheeky after all.....

Cheers,
Huub

Well, thanks for casting some light on the subject, but it's still your fault, though, lol. :)

[huub vink]

Well, thanks for casting some light on the subject, but it's still your fault, though, lol. :)

I do feel guilty :engel016:

Cheers,
Huub

[jankees]

well guys, I will not be uploading my paints.
Roy came with some restrictions that I just could not accept, so that's too bad.
I did send my textures to him however, so who knows....

In the mean time, I'll see if I can adapt them for the other B-25, would be shame to let that work go to waste

[Cleartheprop]

Too bad to read that. Roy must have good reasons. Too bad he doesnt accept artists to magnify his creation.

[jankees]

Ok, so it's not the RCS B-25, but the other one by Maam-sim. Also a very nice model (in need of a FSX update), and I thought that I might bring out these paints anyway. Real easy to adapt the paints. Both still need a few more tweaks, but this is what they will look like, more or less...

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9850.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9853.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9855.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9859.jpg

any comments?

[SADT]

Hi Jan,

How well does the MAAM-Sim B-25 work in FSX? I know that DX10 is a no-go, but I dont use that mode, so are there any other problems?

[expat]

Roy came with some restrictions that I just could not accept, so that's too bad.
I did send my textures to him however, so who knows....

Really appreciate Roy's generous offering of this superb FSX Mitchell. Just needs one or two more USAF camo and alloy paints to really enjoy fully. Oh, well . .

[jankees]

Hi Jan,

How well does the MAAM-Sim B-25 work in FSX? I know that DX10 is a no-go, but I dont use that mode, so are there any other problems?

it works fine, especially with the upgrades you'll find on their site (http://www.maam.org/flightsim/enhance/b25_enhance.htm#FSX%20BASIC%20COMPATIBILITY%20UPDA TE%20FOR%20THE%20B-25J%20BRIEFING%20TIME%20CD).
The only problem is the prop that disappears behind the clouds, but if you make it a bit more transparant, that becomes hardly noticeable. Strangely enough, the RCS version has the same problem, even though that is marketed as a FSX aircraft.

[IanP]

Apologies for the fact that it's not a Jan Kees repaint, seeing as it's his thread, but I took a load of shots of BT in FSX+Accel a while ago to show someone the limitations so I'll post a few here.

It actually works pretty well, with the patches in place. I certainly keep her installed, although I don't tend to fly the model very often.

Ian P.

[jankees]

OK guys, this is just for fun:

It was a bright and sunny day at Coffs:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9861.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9862.jpg

when the twins got together again

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9864.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9866.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9868.jpg

but they kept going head to head...