Ivan Jurcaga Mig-21MF soon! (now released) [Archive]

YoYo

January 24th, 2011, 23:34

Wow, thx for this great news! The best and the last MiG-21 was from Captain Sim for FS9 but it was long, long, long time ago! Model looks very well and procedures + futures! Yes, this news is very good for me, definitely.

ZsoltB

January 24th, 2011, 23:41

I think the best ago, the F-13 model!

http://forums.eagle.ru/images/smilies/joystick.gif

Mithrin

January 25th, 2011, 00:00

Man that looks awesome! What a beauty. Cockpit looks great too!

roger-wilco-66

January 25th, 2011, 00:15

"this video has content which is not available in your country"

:barf:

YoYo

January 25th, 2011, 00:19

"this video has content which is not available in your country"

:barf:

Perhaps is top secret weapon of Warsaw Pact ;)

Another video: http://wn.com/fsx_mig-21_mf_short_preview

lucas81

January 25th, 2011, 00:52

Looks incredible. Note the self-shadowing on the external model in the movie which was posted by Yoyo :)

gera

January 25th, 2011, 04:49

"this video has content which is not available in your country"

:barf:

Hey Mark why don´t you use a Proxy to avoid that problem???, you can turn it on and off as needed.

roger-wilco-66

January 25th, 2011, 04:57

Hey Mark why don´t you use a Proxy to avoid that problem???, you can turn it on and off as needed.

I know, but I need to use a primary proxy that doesn't allow this. Oh well...
Looking forward the Mig21 anyhow!

Cheers,
Mark

fsafranek

January 25th, 2011, 07:41

I think the best ago, the F-13 model!

http://forums.eagle.ru/images/smilies/joystick.gif
I agree. Especially after someone sent me a revised FDE.

Also check out this video (sorry Mark and I hope I'm looking at the same model) with engine startup and towards the end, views of the different possible external configurations. Very pleased to see the wing tank option included.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yl8yiEuQBg
:ernae:

YoYo

January 25th, 2011, 08:57

New shots!

http://yoyosims.pl/Obrazki/MiG21MFpreview_2.jpg

More I recive from developer and put as in Today news on website http://yoyosims.pl/ . Sorry it is in Polish but You can see it, just click "TUTAJ" ("here"), or use a Google translator :). Im very excited to see MiG-21MF for FSX with all startup process. In FS9 we have small choice (but it exists) with MiG-21, in FSX ... no.

delta_lima

January 25th, 2011, 10:45

And for those who don't know, this is actually his second Mig-21, his first (the F-13 model) was released over a year ago. Works well in both FS9 and FSX, and has been superbly repainted by both Henry William and Zsolt Beleznay.

This should scratch your Mig itch going until the MF is released ... :)

dl

Ferry_vO

January 25th, 2011, 10:51

That looks great! :applause:

Cleartheprop

January 25th, 2011, 11:23

Yes, it looks great. I'm missing the external shots though :)

peter12213

January 25th, 2011, 11:54

That Vc is just awesome still fly the F13 alot here in FSX!

Lateral-G

January 25th, 2011, 12:01

This one is gonna be great!

Bjoern

January 25th, 2011, 12:52

Oh dear, now I can die happily! :jump:

LSK camo colors, here I come!

"this video has content which is not available in your country"

:barf:

Blows, doesn't it? Effin' copyrightnazis. :|

fsafranek

January 25th, 2011, 13:28

If you want a few more repaints (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=downloads&FileUploadName=fsafranek) I uploaded a some back when the F-13 model first came out.

This should scratch your Mig itch going until the MF is released

ryanbatc

January 25th, 2011, 13:43

Payware?

Quixoticish

January 25th, 2011, 13:45

Will this be FSX native or is it a port-over?

Bjoern

January 25th, 2011, 13:54

Payware?

I think not.

Will this be FSX native or is it a port-over?

There was mention of shadows on the exterior model, so do the math. ;)

BVR_Corsario

January 25th, 2011, 14:31

Great work, as above (F-13). A plane very interesting and expected, and i'm ready
. Thanks.

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ryanbatc

January 25th, 2011, 14:47

I think not.

Wow... that looks really nice then!

delta_lima

January 25th, 2011, 19:14

If you want a few more repaints (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=downloads&FileUploadName=fsafranek) I uploaded a some back when the F-13 model first came out.

My apologies - you did some awesome repaints also. Forgot to include you in the thanks - pure oversight, not intended ...

dl

danyboy21

January 25th, 2011, 19:50

The F-13 was already great, I look forward to the release of this MF.

Ivan Jurcaga is a great artist

http://nsm04.casimages.com/img/2010/09/20//mini_10092006074469706785258.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=10092006074469706785258.jpg)

fsafranek

January 26th, 2011, 07:20

No worries mate. Only wanted to make sure everyone had as much
variety as possible. Just glad Ivan released a paint kit of sorts after
my email requests. The MiG-21 has always been a favorite of mine.
:ernae:

My apologies - you did some awesome repaints also. Forgot to include you in the thanks - pure oversight, not intended ...

dl

peter12213

January 26th, 2011, 18:50

While I absolutely adore the F13 does anyone else find it's flight characteristics really challenging to fly well, I mean for things like 4 point rolls and alike it really is a handful just hope this new one is equally or more fun to fly, eventually with this, the F13, the ALS Flanker, lotus L39 and the mig29 in development it really looks like eventually we ruscophiles are being catered for! Thank the lord!

Bjoern

January 27th, 2011, 07:26

While I absolutely adore the F13 does anyone else find it's flight characteristics really challenging to fly well

Yeah, all that excessive power just makes you want to go higher and faster all the time. :d

merida72

April 3rd, 2011, 00:58

I know, the usual question:

there are news?

ZsoltB

April 3rd, 2011, 08:19

I know, the usual question:

there are news?

Ciao Luigi,

I am also personally interested in
This was written by me six days ago:

" sorry, I haven´t free time enough. MF is practicaly ready, but I have to write some manual for it...."

Waiting ...

Zsolt

Daube

April 3rd, 2011, 09:19

The FS9 version is so good to fly in FSX that it greatly helps waiting for this native FSX version.
Ah yes, I feel sorry for those who fly with DX10 only :P

The FS9 version drinks its fuel faster than I drink my beer, the only way to fly it for long is to climb fast above 30.000 then set a cruise level flight there, without too much turns if possible.

This is not a plane, it's a rideable balistic missile ! :D

Death_Eagle_571

April 4th, 2011, 14:02

This looks great! I can hardly wait to fly it. :)

ZsoltB

June 29th, 2011, 08:19

http://www.migsim.ic.cz/

lazarus

June 29th, 2011, 08:53

All Right! I mean , the FS9 MiG ran great- but native...WOOHOO!
Zolt; start your magic paint brush....

ZsoltB

June 29th, 2011, 09:00

I'm ready!

:ernae:

Dag

June 29th, 2011, 09:09

Is it out ???? I get the error - 404 when I click download.

Thanks

deathfromafar

June 29th, 2011, 09:23

I don't think it's released just yet but I did see some new videos on it. Hopefully soon!

deathfromafar

June 29th, 2011, 09:32

Basic flying characteristics video put up by Ivan a couple of days ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtH-wFlo9dY

Dag

June 29th, 2011, 09:50

Darn ! That video has some EMI content in it and my "country" is blocking it due to © issues...

Bjoern

June 29th, 2011, 10:07

Darn ! That video has some EMI content in it and my "country" is blocking it due to © issues...

Same here, as usual... :P

skyhawka4m

June 29th, 2011, 10:37

video si playing wonderful here.....and the cockpit looks awesome!!! can't wait to see the exterior modeling.

deathfromafar

June 29th, 2011, 10:52

That's the only thing I don't like about some of these Youtube videos/authors is that they sometimes use copyrighted music which either gets removed or blocked from being viewed in some countries. When it comes to flightsim or real aviation videos, I prefer just to hear the simulated/real sounds of the engines & wind sans music.

The model looks great from both the VC and exterior and from the video the fps looks excellent.

fsafranek

June 29th, 2011, 11:40

When it comes to flightsim or real aviation videos, I prefer just to hear the simulated/real sounds of the engines & wind sans music.
Especially at airshows. If I want music I'll bring my own.

The cockpit looks great and the flight was very smooth so it looks to be very easy on the framerate. On the website there are video links so you can see the exterior and the various loadouts.

Enjoyed the previous MiG-21F-13 and am really looking forward to this updated version. Will have to break out the reference books and clean the spray guns for this one as well.
:ernae:

YoYo

June 29th, 2011, 11:52

Darn ! That video has some EMI content in it and my "country" is blocking it due to © issues...

Ekhhh %$#@*&^ ...
Too same. Maybe second version of video without the music ?

skyblazer3

June 29th, 2011, 13:05

First class video and aircraft. Looking forward to this one. Keep us posted on your great work.

:salute:

icycle

June 29th, 2011, 13:29

Excellent!

Been waiting for this one. I thought it had fallen through the cracks since earlier this year.

Agree on music, as music is based upon one's "taste". Although Pink Floyd suits my taste, it may not for others. Also, don't let the lawyers hear that one. Pink Floyd's (along with Capitol/Columbia/EMI) lawyers have sharp pen's! Have been the target of a "cease and desist" letter from them before.

Bill

Lateral-G

June 30th, 2011, 06:07

Cool!

Waiting patiently.....

deathfromafar

July 1st, 2011, 08:51

New Mig-21MF screens up at the site.

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YoYo

July 1st, 2011, 08:57

Wow, looks better and better :salute: !

Bjoern

July 1st, 2011, 13:17

I wanna have it so very badly...

lazarus

July 1st, 2011, 14:09

WHOA- I didn't even clue in that its a 21MF! Better and better! Looks delectable.

Death_Eagle_571

July 1st, 2011, 21:20

WOW!! That looks amazing!! I can hardly wait to fly it!

mgchrist5

July 2nd, 2011, 08:55

Unless I'm mistaken, it appears this has been released today! I'm downloading now...

http://migsim.ic.cz/

YoYo

July 2nd, 2011, 09:08

Unless I'm mistaken, it appears this has been released today! I'm downloading now...

http://migsim.ic.cz/

Right! Click: http://www.blueboard.cz/dcounter.php?hid=jxce235v90b9tij8xt3uu0csr7ppkr&down=true&url=http://migsim.ic.cz/MiG-21MF.zip

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6065/mig21mf2.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9429/mig21mf1.jpg

aeronca1

July 2nd, 2011, 09:10

This one aircraft alone might convince me to go to the dark side. Hmmmm, where can I get FSX Gold right now......!

Walter

July 2nd, 2011, 09:30

Stupid me... I forgot to read the manual, and I couldn't start it... hahaha! I was stuck on the runway... :icon_lol:

YoYo

July 2nd, 2011, 10:22

Is it possible to recive paint kit with layers for this one?

Stupid me... I forgot to read the manual, and I couldn't start it... hahaha! I was stuck on the runway... :icon_lol:
Too same but need to check video with startup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yl8yiEuQBg

Walter

July 2nd, 2011, 10:54

Thanks, YoYo! I forgot all about that!

I must say, it looks pretty wicked at night!

skyblazer3

July 2nd, 2011, 13:48

First Class aircraft, really shows what FSX is capable of. Just remember to have your trim set for takeoff and landing.... first trip around the pattern was pretty rough. :salute:

Walter

July 2nd, 2011, 14:21

Is it possible/allowed to put the MiG-21s afterburner on the default FSX Acceleration F/A-18 Hornet? If so, how do ya do it?

Superb model, my friends!

Thank you so much :icon_lol:

Walter

vora

July 2nd, 2011, 14:57

Oh great, manual only in czech, videos blocked for copyright infringement (Youtube Germany). Did they let Lady Gaga sing the startup procedure? :kilroy:
I guess I have to wait for an English manual then.

Lateral-G

July 2nd, 2011, 18:24

Woo Hoo!

Got it started manually and took a flight. :mixedsmi:

Love it! I was just set to get the VS Panther today and saw the Mig-21MF was released. This is definitely more fun! I can wait for another VS sale....:icon_lol:

-G-

Walter

July 2nd, 2011, 18:25

skyblazer3

July 2nd, 2011, 19:12

It is a ton of fun. I flew it IFR today in an ATC multiplayer session..... gave the approach controller a headache as he had to space me in with 3 slow GA aircraft flying touch and gos on a crossing runway.

Still working on my metric conversions though....

fsafranek

July 2nd, 2011, 20:16

If a re-paint package is available, I'd like to see this one done! It's a very cool paint scheme! :jump:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Czech-Republic--/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-21MF/1849284/L/&sid=8ffbe859a5cfcd3376e238f833f4b0ae

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Czech-Republic--/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-21MF/1354226/L/&sid=8ffbe859a5cfcd3376e238f833f4b0ae

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Czech Republic - Air Force/Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF/0301519/L

Walter
You don't want much do you? :icon_lol: Every one of those "spots" is unique and no repeating pattern. It is pretty but myself I've got too many other projects on the books.

I think I'll stick to what I did with the earlier MiG-21F-13; Yugoslavia, Romania, and maybe Cuba is they fly this model.
:ernae:

Dag

July 2nd, 2011, 21:14

That aircraft looks amazing. I am away from my pc and downloaded the package to Goodreader on my iPad. I see only bmp textures. Have anyone tested if it will accept dds textures ?

Thanks

newcomer

July 2nd, 2011, 21:31

If a re-paint package is available, I'd like to see this one done! It's a very cool paint scheme! :jump:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Czech-Republic--/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-21MF/1849284/L/&sid=8ffbe859a5cfcd3376e238f833f4b0ae

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Czech-Republic--/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-21MF/1354226/L/&sid=8ffbe859a5cfcd3376e238f833f4b0ae

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Czech Republic - Air Force/Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF/0301519/L

Walter

It´s already available - together with several other repaints :wiggle::

http://www.flightsimulator.cz/ke-stazeni

(under military repaints = "Vojenské")

ZsoltB

July 2nd, 2011, 22:29

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7494/repaints.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/repaints.jpg/)

newcomer

July 2nd, 2011, 22:41

:salute::salute::salute: OMG - I see a "repaint-rain" comin`:icon_lol:

fsafranek

July 2nd, 2011, 23:15

It´s already available - together with several other repaints :wiggle::

http://www.flightsimulator.cz/ke-stazeni

(under military repaints = "Vojenské")
Sure enough. Well that's done. On to more common schemes.

http://www.flightsimulator.cz/repainty/vojenske
:ernae:

hschuit

July 3rd, 2011, 04:14

That aircraft looks amazing. I am away from my pc and downloaded the package to Goodreader on my iPad. I see only bmp textures. Have anyone tested if it will accept dds textures ?
Thanks

Dag, I converted the BMP files to DXT5 DDS and all works fine. I also aliased the common textures to one folder so I could remove the duplicate ones from the other texture folders:

fresnel_ramp.dds
gazik.dds
kukykuk.dds
kukykuk_l.dds
MiG-21MF_budiky.dds
MiG-21MF_budiky_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_forsaz.dds
MiG-21MF_forsaz_noc.dds
MiG-21MF_FR.dds
MiG-21MF_glass_spec.dds
MiG-21MF_glass_T.dds
MiG-21MF_VC1_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_VC1_T.dds
MiG-21MF_VC2_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_VC2_T.dds
MiG-21MF_VC3_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_VC3_T.dds
MiG-21MF_VC4_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_VC4_T.dds
V3S.dds

And for those (myself included) who do not have track IR some external and VC camera views: 41868

skyhawka4m

July 3rd, 2011, 04:53

Sure enough. Well that's done. On to more common schemes.

http://www.flightsimulator.cz/repainty/vojenske
:ernae:

Ya...but how do you download them?

hschuit

July 3rd, 2011, 05:07

Ya...but how do you download them?

1. Find your repaint and click it's orange link like this:
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2. when the next screen comes on, flag the 2nd bullet, then click the grey button
41871

3. Then you should get your usual Windows popup asking to save the file.

Dag

July 3rd, 2011, 05:20

Dag, I converted the BMP files to DXT5 DDS and all works fine. I also aliased the common textures to one folder so I could remove the duplicate ones from the other texture folders:

fresnel_ramp.dds
gazik.dds
kukykuk.dds
kukykuk_l.dds
MiG-21MF_budiky.dds
MiG-21MF_budiky_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_forsaz.dds
MiG-21MF_forsaz_noc.dds
MiG-21MF_FR.dds
MiG-21MF_glass_spec.dds
MiG-21MF_glass_T.dds
MiG-21MF_VC1_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_VC1_T.dds
MiG-21MF_VC2_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_VC2_T.dds
MiG-21MF_VC3_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_VC3_T.dds
MiG-21MF_VC4_lm.dds
MiG-21MF_VC4_T.dds
V3S.dds

And for those (myself included) who do not have track IR some external and VC camera views: 41868

Thanks, good stuff:-)

YoYo

July 3rd, 2011, 07:01

Hi,
Id like to ask the others. Do You star engine with startup procedures? I noticed some difficult to start engine (with videos too). Turbine dosnt start too, only when I push throttle more. Next - something bad with flight model. Roll is ok for delta wings, but vertical flight is quite strange. Very offen plane wants to fly to ground and forces minus vertical speed (with 400 km/h). Sure, I enjoy of this MiG something like 1-2 hours, so small period. Mabye Im wrong, but somathing strange with FM.

Walter

July 3rd, 2011, 07:15

OH MY GOSH!!!!! You are amazing!! Thank you sooooo much! :icon_lol::jump::applause::salute::medals::icon29: :guinness::ernae::wiggle:

deathfromafar

July 3rd, 2011, 08:34

Quax d. Bruchpilot

July 3rd, 2011, 08:43

deathfromafar

July 3rd, 2011, 08:50

For all having issues starting the model, there is a quickstart button in the simicon group you can access by hitting Shift 2. Clicking that button will configure everything for flight except flaps and landing lights. It takes a minute or so for the engine to start but it will start.

newcomer

July 3rd, 2011, 08:53

Just tested this beauty. For all who have problems to start up like me (THX german GEMA) .I have simply replaced the panel.cfg with some other from FSX. Okay that really makes no fun but better as sitting in the cockpit and waiting for a new start up movie. I hope Ivan will post a new one ???

Greets
Andi

I think there´s already a quick start function included!

All you have to do is:
- press SHIFT+2 and
- in the pop-up window press the button for the vehicle (ground power) and after that
- press the quick start button
- after some seconds the aircraft engine spools up ...

Quax d. Bruchpilot

July 3rd, 2011, 09:05

yep, it seems so when i take a look in the panelfolder. But I can't find it ! ROFLMAO !!!:icon_lol:

Greets Andi

hschuit

July 3rd, 2011, 09:11

This machine is 110% fun !

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41906

Walter

July 3rd, 2011, 09:13

I feel kinda dumb, but how did you get the external fuel tanks?

Walter

newcomer

July 3rd, 2011, 09:18

I feel kinda dumb, but how did you get the external fuel tanks?

Walter

Take a look at the manual for the panel (Pravý panel) :
- on page 5 (right side of the cockpit) you can see a panel button No 3
- use the mouse to turn it to the right
- then a weapon control panel opens for the five external weapon stations ...

It´s a bit easier if you have activated the "tool-tips-function" in fsx because many buttons are then described in english.

Walter

July 3rd, 2011, 09:23

Take a look at the manual for the panel (Pravý panel) :
- on page 5 (right side of the cockpit) you can see a panel button No 3
- use the mouse to turn it to the right
- then a weapon control panel opens for the five external weapon stations ...

Thanks! :salute:

Walter

Quax d. Bruchpilot

July 3rd, 2011, 09:42

I think there´s already a quick start function included!

All you have to do is:
- press SHIFT+2 and
- in the pop-up window press the button for the vehicle (ground power) and after that
- press the quick start button
- after some seconds the aircraft engine spools up ...

THX newcomer !!! :icon29: OMG I was so blind and stupid :icon_lol:

calypsos

July 3rd, 2011, 13:21

YoYo

July 3rd, 2011, 13:23

Is this scenery is finished?

http://migsim.ic.cz/scenery.html

Ferry_vO

July 3rd, 2011, 13:39

This is an awesome piece of freeware! :applause: :ernae:

Take a look at the manual for the panel (Pravý panel) :
- on page 5 (right side of the cockpit) you can see a panel button No 3
- use the mouse to turn it to the right
- then a weapon control panel opens for the five external weapon stations ...

Thanks for the tip! Anyone know what the center console that pops up is for..?

skyblazer3

July 3rd, 2011, 14:14

You can use that pop-up center consul to set NDB frequencies (9 of them) while on the ground. THen you can switch between them in the air using 9 little round buttons on the right side of the cockpit. When that panel pops up, there are also some rotary switches that pop up on the top right side of the instrument panel, and you can play with those to get different loadouts (again, while on the ground).

@yoyo..... as for the flight dynamics... I have no idea how a mig 21 should fly, but there is a green light that illuminates on the annunciator panel when you trim up a substantial amount. I find that the aircraft will takeoff and land much much better when that light is illuminated. I find myself trimming the aircraft all the time, and I suspect that is normal for this type of aircraft. I remember my father telling me that he was constantly having to trim the F-100...... maybe it has to do with the high-fuel burn of these early supersonic fighters.

I like how it flies, but I have mostly stayed in the pattern trying to develop a safe landing procedure.

How are other people landing this thing without ripping off the gear or landing short?

YoYo

July 3rd, 2011, 14:26

@yoyo..... as for the flight dynamics... I have no idea how a mig 21 should fly..
Solved. In too same time :). My panel for Cessna (of Saitek) is active. Problem it was default trim of this panel. I found a solution and now I think I see FM of model. Thx for this reply.

Small correction needs effect of engine (smoke). It eats too many FPS for me.
I take sound from MiG21 F13 for sure, remember this from fs2004 from Captain Sim UB but Id like tho have the new one. Any idea for better sounds?

Lateral-G

July 3rd, 2011, 16:42

This machine is 110% fun !

More like 120% :icon_lol:

Lateral-G

July 3rd, 2011, 16:46

How are other people landing this thing without ripping off the gear or landing short?

Keep the power and speed up. I typically land the Mig around 170-190 KIAS. I'm carrying about 70-80% N1 on short final. Use the landing flaps too.

The Mig does not like to land slow....long runways are in order.

skyblazer3

July 3rd, 2011, 17:37

do you ever use speed brakes on landing?

Walter

July 3rd, 2011, 18:18

I've only landed twice, so I'm not an expert. I only use speedbreaks after I have touched down, so that I don't end up losing airspeed and planting it down hard. :icon_lol:

That's my two cents.

Walter

July 3rd, 2011, 18:59

This is more than likely a dumb question, but how do you pop the drag chute? I push the deploy button, but no dice.

deathfromafar

July 3rd, 2011, 19:18

Videos I've watched this evening show Mig-21MF's on final with their boards out but when I use it in the sim, the drag is so great that the continuous speed loss & rapid/high sink rate will cause me to fall short. Unless the fuel weight needs to be very low with a specific power setting & AoA. Need to test this more.

skyblazer3

July 3rd, 2011, 19:19

works fine for me. there is a deploy button on the left side with a yellow ring around it, and then a release button down on the left side by your hip to let it go once you are almost stopped.

skyblazer3

July 3rd, 2011, 19:21

Walter

July 3rd, 2011, 19:39

I keep trying to take off, turn around and land, but I still crash... lol :icon_lol:

deathfromafar

July 3rd, 2011, 23:44

@deathfromafar..... I agree... I think we should probably be using speed brakes and high power -- but the current flight model makes you sink like a rock when you put out the boards..... high AOA does not seem to help me. I've been landing well without them. I would love to know the real world procedure.

20% fuel weight is the ticket with being in proper landing config(AoA, speed and weight). You can land at higher weights but you'll need to up the speed and modify the drag config(ie=no boards) and reset the trim accordingly. The Mig like most aircraft tend to wheel barrel nose down with full flaps and at high speeds(within approach speeds) so you have to stay on top of the trim as you make power adjustments for sink rate and making the landing zone of the runway. At lighter weights you can make your final down to 165 and at proper AoA which you won't need much flare at touchdown. Just maintain power all the way down with a very slight flare. One thing for sure, this FDE is a lot more thought out than the one on the previous Mig Ivan released. It seems very close to envelope from the tables and the pilot reports I've read/heard.

skyblazer3

July 4th, 2011, 01:26

20% fuel or less helps. Thanks for the information. Approaches are much more comfortable and I've been able to grease a few on.

Does anyone know if this Mig has a fuel dump switch besides the throttle?

Dag

July 4th, 2011, 07:38

An outstanding addon in every respect. I've been flying it for several hours today and have no problems landing it at 350 km/h with high weight (80% fuel). True, the aircraft requires careful trim on approach especially when deploying flaps at high weight. The flight model reminds me of a slightly easier C9 F-104 without the pitch up/roll tendencies.
It's perfect for my Saitek X-65F.

Thanks

Walter

July 4th, 2011, 08:10

MiG?!? What MiG?!?!?

Lateral-G

July 4th, 2011, 08:18

Spot on with the landing/approach speeds. My initial reports were at 70-80% fuel remaining. After several landings at at the lighter weight (about 30%) you can definitely reduce your speeds and touch down around 160-165kts.

I tried landing with both speed brakes stowed and deployed. With them out you need to carry a lot more throttle. They really slow you down. My preference right now is full flaps only for landing.

If you're worried about dumping fuel just tool around with full AB for a few minutes and you'll get the weight down :kilroy:

This plane is a blast to fly.

FSDSMAN

July 4th, 2011, 08:19

I think not.

There was mention of shadows on the exterior model, so do the math. ;)
Ported over models still have self shadow if the FS9 textures are correct

hschuit

July 4th, 2011, 09:11

Totally awesome work, thanks to all involved.
My only little niggle is the reflections on the inside of the canopy. Is there a way of toning them down a little? This afternoon I got totally disorientated and even a little airsick trying to fly VFR in her!:icon_lol:

Try to replace the MiG-21MF_glass_T.bmp glass texture bitmaps with this new one - I made the alpha more transparent: 42068

olderndirt

July 4th, 2011, 09:40

In case there's a question about takeoff thrust. Used the 'quick start with the APU' and obviously didn't disconnect - head up and locked. Takeoff seemed a little draggy but got airborne with some extra trim. Glancing to my left, I almost spilled my coffee - wonder what the truck driver's thinking.42075

Walter

July 4th, 2011, 10:43

If you hit shift+2 and click on the truck icon, the truck will go away... funny story, though! :applause:

YoYo

July 4th, 2011, 10:53

Fast repaint (wip, but near to finish)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7536/nowy9d.jpg

Vratan

July 4th, 2011, 11:04

Nice paint YoYo, but where you foud paintkit, please?

ZsoltB

July 4th, 2011, 11:53

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2804/201174214844531.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/231/201174214844531.jpg/)

Ferry_vO

July 4th, 2011, 11:54

Loving it! :applause:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr106.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr109.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr113.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr115.jpg

wilycoyote4

July 4th, 2011, 12:08

........... at at the lighter weight (about 30%) you can definitely reduce your speeds and touch down around 160-165kts.

I tried landing with both speed brakes stowed and deployed. With them out you need to carry a lot more throttle. They really slow you down. My preference right now is full flaps only for landing.

agreed, 35% fuel, no speed brakes, for runway touchdown, but approach is faster at 180 KIAS or more, say 188 KIAS for example.

Aircraft can trim nicely and fly smoothly to the runway.

So far only daylight and clear weather.

skyhawka4m

July 4th, 2011, 12:31

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2804/201174214844531.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/231/201174214844531.jpg/)

Knew I could count you you sir!! Outstanding work! How about some Soviet jets.

I wish someone would do the SMT version.

ZsoltB

July 4th, 2011, 12:47

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4281/rusg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/rusg.jpg/)

YoYo

July 4th, 2011, 13:43

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6826/mig21mf13.jpg

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2188/mig21mf12.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2188/mig21mf12.jpg)

delta_lima

July 4th, 2011, 14:11

Hello Zsolt,

Where is that scenery from? I'm a bit behind on who has released what Warpac-era sceneries these days.

Many thanks,

dl

ZsoltB

July 4th, 2011, 21:07

Hello,

Here the scenery http://www.lhsimulations.hu/?page_id=41
Base name is LHSM Sármellék/Balaton

Regards,
Zsolt

YoYo

July 4th, 2011, 22:15

I see new update for this MiG: http://flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=157419
But isnt update of Ivan (FM, navigation lights & 2d panel).

calypsos

July 4th, 2011, 23:10

Try to replace the MiG-21MF_glass_T.bmp glass texture bitmaps with this new one - I made the alpha more transparent: MiG-21MF_glass_T.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42068&d=1309799438)

Thanks a million!!!!:applause::applause::applause:

LUCE1

July 4th, 2011, 23:50

Stefano Zibell

July 4th, 2011, 23:51

This is ridiculously fun. Just flown it for the first time, did two verrrrry nice landings. Right now my favourite aircraft. Kudos for the dude who did it.

skyblazer3

July 5th, 2011, 00:00

I can't get over how good this aircraft is -- what talent we have in developers, one of the best aircraft I've flown!

Thank you comrade for keeping alive the spirit of freeware!!:salute::salute:

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 01:05

Unfortunately, the CS Weapon Pack does not work!
Can anyone a solution?

papab

July 5th, 2011, 02:30

How do you get the auto pilot to work?
I fliped the switch on the right hand panel but nothing...

Thanks
Rick

VaporZ

July 5th, 2011, 02:45

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2804/201174214844531.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/231/201174214844531.jpg/)

Super nice repaint !!!
Are your FSX Mig-21MF Repaints available to share ?
If yes, where can we download them ?
:applause::ernae::applause:
VaporZ

FlameOut

July 5th, 2011, 02:52

If y'all run over to : http://www.planeaday.com/

Y'all will see [2] of these trailing in formation behind a good old Tomcat :applause:
Photo only good for today. You can check the archives if you miss it today.

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 03:12

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8594/20117512539843.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/231/20117512539843.jpg/)

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 05:53

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3514/201175154932203.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/201175154932203.jpg/)

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 06:01

Super nice repaint !!!
Are your FSX Mig-21MF Repaints available to share ?
If yes, where can we download them ?
:applause::ernae::applause:
VaporZ

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Name: black09.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/kdl.php?fid=157443) Size: 7,588,835 Date: 07-05-2011 Downloads: 21
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/fscfiles/q/black09.gif FSX Polish Air Force MiG-21MF - Black 09 "Szkolny". Model by Ivan Jurcaga. Repaint by Zsolt Beleznay.

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skyhawka4m

July 5th, 2011, 06:20

picked up the first one...outstanding work as usual!

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 07:11

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4561/20117517631828.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/20117517631828.jpg/)

fsafranek

July 5th, 2011, 08:07

Is there a paint kit available or should I continue with making my own?
Just trying not to waste time that could be used actually texturing. :salute:
:ernae:

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 08:16

For the time being, there is no available paintkit
I'll ask Ivan about it
:ernae:

RKinkor

July 5th, 2011, 08:26

There is a paint kit included with one of the repaints MiG-21MF_2410.zip. It is at the site that the repaints link takes you to from his own site where u downloaded the aircraft.

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 08:40

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7144/20117518348796.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/20117518348796.jpg/)

SeanTK

July 5th, 2011, 10:56

I'm sure all of us are admiring your many liveries for this plane, "Zsoltquack".

Are they for your private use or may they be publicly available in the future? :wavey:
(Asking because I'm not sure what restrictions the model's author has put on repaints for his airplane.)

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 11:25

StormILM

July 5th, 2011, 11:46

Zsolt, I think the question was if you're going to make your paints available which we know you have already released one of them for the Mig-21MF. As far as restrictions on paints for this model, there is a paint kit out so as long as they are kept freeware(not sold for profit) then there are no restrictions from anything I have read. I am getting ready to upload some color plates for you repainters.

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 12:01

The repaints will be available soon the flightsim website

StormILM

July 5th, 2011, 12:02

4226042261422624226342264422654226642267:sleep:

Vratan

July 5th, 2011, 12:14

Lizard camo from Mali.

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 12:17

Hmmm...Rare repaint!

:applause::applause::applause: :ernae:

StormILM

July 5th, 2011, 12:18

42270422714227242273

skyblazer3

July 5th, 2011, 12:36

Airplane works very well in multiplayer. Went up the other night in a 3 ship for some aerobatics. She rolls very well in formation, and is a lot of fun to lead in. The wingmen said it was no sweat. Loops are possible, but require speeds that can put stresses on multiplayer flight.

Overall a lovely airplane and lots of fun. Look forward to a lot of formation flights / formation aerobatics.

42285

Bjoern

July 5th, 2011, 12:49

Is the paint kit layered?

Ported over models still have self shadow if the FS9 textures are correct

Never knew that.

But then again, I don't fly portovers very often.

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 13:26

42270422714227242273

What kind of book are the pictures?

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 13:32

http://www.flightsimulator.cz/repainty/vojenske

FSX MIG-21 MF 2410 (retro repaint) + paintkit (http://www.flightsimulator.cz/repainty/vojenske/doc_download/129-fsx-mig-21-mf-2410-retro-repaint--paintkit)

fsafranek

July 5th, 2011, 13:34

For the time being, there is no available paintkit
I'll ask Ivan about it

Thanks. In the meantime I'll keep working on mine.
:ernae:

mmann

July 5th, 2011, 13:49

Thanks to all of you, that posted here about flying this aircraft, I had a successful first flight from Comox Airport to Campbell River Airport with a near perfect landing at CYBL! Thanks again to all of you here at SOH for posting your findings!:salute:

Regards, Mike Mann

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 14:08

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7503/201176021531.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/201176021531.jpg/)

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 14:19

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FSX Chkalovsk AB Scenery for FSX/Acceleration/SP2. This is Chkalovsk AB, Russia for those who enjoy flying Russian fighter jets. Chkalovsk has civilian and military traffic, and is situated in western Russia. This scenery was researched, but is still highly fictional. It includes HAS, people, animals, and many hidden objects for those that like to explore. Statically parked are Su-27 Flankers, gliders, and an AN-225. By Walker Grant.

fsafranek

July 5th, 2011, 14:25

Is the paint kit layered?

Yes. It's a pretty good kit. Switching to it now.
:ernae:

YoYo

July 5th, 2011, 14:26

Over Poland.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9562/mig21mf15.jpg

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7583/mig21mf14.th.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/mig21mf14.jpg/) http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4875/mig21mf16.th.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/mig21mf16.jpg/) http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9653/mig21mf17.th.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/mig21mf17.jpg/) http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5778/mig21mf18.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/mig21mf18.jpg/) http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3307/mig21mf19.th.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/mig21mf19.jpg/) http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9206/mig21mf20.th.jpg

(http://img834.imageshack.us/i/mig21mf20.jpg/)I like this plane. Model 3D is very well done, VC totaly accepted and all project has big potential. For improve: manual & flight dynamics (for me, as I know MiG-21) this FM must be tune up. Small correction needs effect of smoke from engine (dont Know why but this effect eats many fps).
I hope CS weapon will works too. With this all will be perfect free addon for FSX! Crg!

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 14:37

Nice pics! :applause:

What is the name of the scenery package?

YoYo

July 5th, 2011, 14:49

Nice pics! :applause:

What is the name of the scenery package?

Hangar from You :icon_lol: , but the rest: http://www.vfrpoland.com/ + free autogen http://www.d-a-f.eu/ (fs9 is free but compatibile with FSX too, FSX with better resolution payware). Only in Polish still.

ZsoltB

July 5th, 2011, 14:58

Thank you! :ernae:

StormILM

July 5th, 2011, 15:04

What kind of book are the pictures?

Zsolt, those photos/color plates are from 2 old books from Squadron/Signal Publications. One is called Flying Colors which has many different aircraft color plates in it and the other is Fighting Colors Mig-21 Fishbed in Color by Hans-Heiri Stapfer. I'm not even sure either book is still in print anymore. I paid $25 for the Flying Colors book in 1983 which was expensive for the time. The Mig-21 in Color book I found in a hobby store clearance rack a couple of years ago and the store clerk told me they had that book in the store unsold for 20 years! I had looked at the book many times before getting it. They sold it to me for $1 !

Walter

July 5th, 2011, 15:07

Wow! Nice find!

ZsoltB

July 6th, 2011, 00:13

Lizard camo from Mali.

Share this painting?
:ernae:

VaporZ

July 6th, 2011, 02:30

To all "topgun"repainters :

Concerning African Migs, take a look on the profiles available
ont these 4 x adresses :

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_195.shtml

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_196.shtml

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_197.shtml

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_199.shtml

Angolan Mig-21MF for example have seen real combat against South African
Mirage F-1CZ/AZ ! ( they have lost ! )
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

ZsoltB

July 6th, 2011, 03:18

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6288/201176131456171.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/201176131456171.jpg/)

papab

July 6th, 2011, 03:29

Great update by Bob Chicilo at Simviation:
http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=Ivan+Jurcaga&x=18&y=9

Makes it much easier to fly!
Rick

MF Update (Category: FSX > Military)
1.77Mb (549 downloads)
This is an update for FSX of the Mig-21 MF by Ivan Jurcaga. I have updated the flight dynamics, given it a 2D panel, and added nav lights. There is a VC, but you need to read Russian or possibly Czech to know what all is on it. You need the original aircraft for this update to work.

Posted Jul 3, 2011 19:57 by Bob Chicilo

skyhawka4m

July 6th, 2011, 05:23

I had this update installed and found the airspeeds to be very low.

papab

July 6th, 2011, 05:58

No problem with my airspeed...
Maybe a corrupt download?
Rick

ZsoltB

July 6th, 2011, 06:34

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FSX Scenery--Welzow, Brandenburg, Germany (EDCY), v1.1. Update for Welzow_FSX with new AFX with better flatten, resized shelters and some new buildings/barracks. By Uwe Schweitzer.

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FSX Scenery--Welzow. This is a FSX/VFR Germany East remake of a scenery by Ian Elliot. Military airfield in the former GDR (East Germany) used by Soviet air force until the early 1990's. By Uwe Schweitzer.

</TBODY>

Lateral-G

July 6th, 2011, 06:52

Walter

July 6th, 2011, 07:04

IMO the Mig flies fine as is.

I agree. I have finally figured out how to land it smoothly!

SeanTK

July 6th, 2011, 07:45

Barfly

July 6th, 2011, 08:00

This is a great little jet to buzz around in, and a nice contrast to the Milviz T-38. Lots of character. The only obvious issue is the really aggressive speed brake - it's like throwing out a battleship anchor at low speed, lol.

ZsoltB

July 6th, 2011, 08:19

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7440/201176175644765.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/201176175644765.jpg/)

hschuit

July 6th, 2011, 08:34

http://nzff.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15224
For the interested, I have created a cockpit and startup guide.I suspect that the "update" mentioned here is from someone with no knowledge of the plane. From my research, it flies accurately, and beyond that, why would lights need to be "added" to the model when they are already included? It's just a matter of knowing the correct systems to turn them on.

Thank you Sean :salute::salute::salute:, fantastic job !

cheers, Henk.

PS: Just used it, works perfect ! Just 1 minor, non life threatening issue: In the cockpit familiarization picture of the left console, the dragchute release/reload button label is in the wrong place, it should point at the white button just after the flaps switches.

SeanTK

July 6th, 2011, 09:08

Thank you Sean :salute::salute::salute:, fantastic job !

cheers, Henk.

PS: Just used it, works perfect ! Just 1 minor, non life threatening issue: In the cockpit familiarization picture of the left console, the dragchute release/reload button label is in the wrong place, it should point at the white button just after the flaps switches.

Thanks for running through it. I'm glad that it helps!
Figured as much when I was labeling the image for the chute release. Second guessed myself!

Lateral-G

July 6th, 2011, 09:34

Just 1 minor, non life threatening issue: In the cockpit familiarization picture of the left console, the dragchute release/reload button label is in the wrong place, it should point at the white button just after the flaps switches.

The white button on the fwd part of the throttle quadrant is for jettisoning of the JATO (SPRD) bottles.

hschuit

July 6th, 2011, 11:11

424324243342431

Has anyone figured out how to do a "SPRD" (JATO) take off ? I could switch it on, the bottles show up but the "SPRD Start" button does not fire them...

ZsoltB

July 6th, 2011, 12:45

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7966/20117622408656.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/192/20117622408656.jpg/)

peter12213

July 6th, 2011, 12:49

Awesome repaint, please do some Indian ones and some Finnish ones too!

SeanTK

July 6th, 2011, 12:52

424324243342431

Has anyone figured out how to do a "SPRD" (JATO) take off ? I could switch it on, the bottles show up but the "SPRD Start" button does not fire them...

As far as I can tell, it's just a visual goody. I haven't been able to get them to fire either.

Looking forward to seeing more excellent liveries in the future!

YoYo

July 6th, 2011, 13:06

...
Fantastic work!

http://img.airfoto.pl/my_img/b/2087.jpg

ZsoltB

July 6th, 2011, 14:11

Thanks Mate!

YoYo

July 6th, 2011, 14:34

Ok, I tested FM of Bob Chicilo ( ex. http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=mig-21+update+mf&x=0&y=0 ) but still FM isnt right. I prefer this orginal than Bob (sorry Bob ;) ). Bob did good work with panel ect., but FM isnt realistic again. In 1 sec. You can do 5 barrels! Fly is very easy but MiG-21 isnt and wasnt easy aircraft at all. FM must be some like F-104, but with better possibility of maneuvers. Too easy to reach high speed too. With this update MiG is oversteer. I think FM of this MiG is still Achilles heel but the orginal one is still better but no perfect ...

Old CS MiG UM version for FS9

http://www.captainsim.com/products/m212/img/screenshots/aircraft/cfs4.jpg

SeanTK

July 6th, 2011, 17:05

Repainters!

Take a look at this! Some great ideas for some (fictional) liveries!

http://studiogekko.blogspot.com/p/mig-21-what-if-profiles_05.html

skyhawka4m

July 6th, 2011, 17:20

Repainters!

Take a look at this! Some great ideas for some (fictional) liveries!

http://studiogekko.blogspot.com/p/mig-21-what-if-profiles_05.html

WOW!!! I'm liking these alot....the US birds look interesting for sure.

Walter

July 6th, 2011, 18:34

Here's some interestingly unique paint schemes that I've come across...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-21SPS/1221309/L/&sid=99bb508facd117b75ed40a0cedf2c806

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-21SPS/1194467/L/&sid=99bb508facd117b75ed40a0cedf2c806

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Croatia---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-21UMD/1071969/L/&sid=6283e1f0413d1368adc49f6cf45b6b82

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Croatia - Air Force/Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21UMD/0928550/L

They're not for the MiG-21MF, but they'd look awesome in FSX!!

Walter :icon_lol:

ZsoltB

July 6th, 2011, 23:00

Repainters!

Take a look at this! Some great ideas for some (fictional) liveries!

http://studiogekko.blogspot.com/p/mig-21-what-if-profiles_05.html

Hi,

Very Great page! Thank you!!!

VaporZ

July 7th, 2011, 01:26

To all "topgun" repainters

As you probably already know, "Eduard" released a few week ago a superb 1/48 scale Mig-21MF "High Class" multimedia kit with excellent and very realistic reference material for potential repaints on the instruction manual of this kit.

Here is some examples :

East Germany ( page 12 ) here :
http://www.eduard.cz/products/pdf/n84/84125.pdf

Egypt ( page 14 )
Czechoslovakia ( page 15 )
Slovakia ( page 16 )
Poland ( page 17 )
Soviet Union ( page 18 )
East Germany ( page 19 )
and
Aircraft Stencils ( page 20 )
here :
http://www.eduard.cz/products/pdf/n82/8231.pdf

You can for obvious reasons bypass the aircraft stencils !
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 02:04

Hi,

Good background material!

Thank you!

ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 02:15

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8920/201177121124500.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/200/201177121124500.jpg/)

VaporZ

July 7th, 2011, 03:46

Here is some other "crazy" reference materials for Mig-21MF repaint projects :

http://www.zotzdecals.com/reviews/alc48012/alc48012.htm
and
http://www.zotzdecals.com/reviews/alc48013/alc48013.htm

My head is turning !
Too much colors !
:ernae:
VaporZ

ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 03:47

Ivan wrote to me now!

available: http://www.migsim.ic.cz/

hschuit

July 7th, 2011, 05:20

Thank you Zsolt & Ivan, :ernae: holy crap, what a ride !

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ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 06:20

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5458/201177161525187.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/200/201177161525187.jpg/)

fliger747

July 7th, 2011, 06:38

Amazingly a friend and fellow pilot soloed himself in a Mig 21.... He had been involved in the restoration for a number of years and so knew the aircraft, at least the systems and bones. One of the items was indeed converting all of the placards etc to English.

T

delta_lima

July 7th, 2011, 07:13

Hi,

Very Great page! Thank you!!!

Agreed - there are some amazing repaints. His African countries' schemes are not only thorough, but also very convincingly done. Having a particular fondness for DACT training (especially the older F-5E and F-21 Kfir models the USN and USMC used), I really enjoyed seeing his American "what if" schemes - this one, with the large red lettering, in particular ...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RtYCLAY8wsY/TT20PGJRgAI/AAAAAAAAA_E/i_ZNgtHyGOc/s1600/Top+Gun+desert.jpg

Smart scheme, don't you think?

dl

SeanTK

July 7th, 2011, 08:21

skyhawka4m

July 7th, 2011, 08:59

Excellent, Zsolt!

Nice to see the Botswana livery is being completed!

Would you consider doing this one for the large New Zealand simming community?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RtYCLAY8wsY/TT2zxLOWORI/AAAAAAAAA-g/KDZFSl7F0lE/s1600/RNZAF.jpg

Damn this scheme with the Hill AFB F-105D "MY KARMA" markings would be a nice "WHAT IF"........:salute:

ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 09:35

Excellent, Zsolt!

Nice to see the Botswana livery is being completed!

Would you consider doing this one for the large New Zealand simming community?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RtYCLAY8wsY/TT2zxLOWORI/AAAAAAAAA-g/KDZFSl7F0lE/s1600/RNZAF.jpg

Thanks Mate,

I feel all the paint I made because I love them!
These moments I made the TOP GUN painting
:mixedsmi:

Bjoern

July 7th, 2011, 10:03

Illustrated startup tutorial by Sean:
http://nzff.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15224

Neubrandenburg Airbase scenery by me:
http://www.aviationcafe.co.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1059

- Edit:

Oops, the tutorial has been linked to before. *Cough*

And the base only kicks with a JG-2 repaint.

bstolle

July 7th, 2011, 10:08

Ok, I tested FM of Bob Chicilo but still FM isnt right. I prefer this orginal than Bob (sorry Bob ;) ). Bob did good work with panel ect., but FM isnt realistic again. In 1 sec. You can do 5 barrels! Fly is very easy but MiG-21 isnt and wasnt easy aircraft at all. FM must be some like F-104, but with better possibility of maneuvers. Too easy to reach high speed too. With this update MiG is oversteer. I think FM of this MiG is still Achilles heel but the orginal one is still better but no perfect ...

Well, if there are any manuals and at least one pilot report available I could make high quality FDs for the Mig-21 if there's enough demand.
It's for sure an interesting plane and I remember that I've read somewhere that full flap landings were only allowed after you aquired quite a few hours on the 21.

newcomer

July 7th, 2011, 10:11

Serbian MIG-repaint (old markings by yufighter) available here http://www.sendspace.com/file/mjhut8

Screens :
https://picasaweb.google.com/draganjvuckovic/FSXMiG21MF?authkey=Gv1sRgCOHBwZWJssyl2AE#562638488 6535151218

https://picasaweb.google.com/draganjvuckovic/FSXMiG21MF?authkey=Gv1sRgCOHBwZWJssyl2AE#562638398 1821926002

ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 10:38

Hmmmm....Rare paint! Thanks!

:applause:

newcomer

July 7th, 2011, 10:41

Hmmmm....Rare paint! Thanks!

:applause:

:kilroy: I only found the link http://www.scgvacc.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=4952 - I can`t even paint my toenails, the creator is yufighter :icon_lol: (http://www.scgvacc.net/forum/index.php?showuser=1672)

newcomer

July 7th, 2011, 11:50

Next serbian repaint (modern markings from =SE=Doga (http://www.scgvacc.net/forum/index.php?showuser=1672) ) available here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?h7y034200lup2uw :wiggle:

screens:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd162/bgsoft/mig6.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd162/bgsoft/mig1.jpg

ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 12:27

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9793/201177222312531.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/201177222312531.jpg/)

StormILM

July 7th, 2011, 12:37

stormtrooper271

July 7th, 2011, 12:58

Can one of you who has the AZS.xml gauge revised for the Short Takeoff Rockets please upload the gauge as an attachment here? Reason being that I cannot get the code to go into the XML gauge properly without getting corrupted not matter what I try.

Go to this page here (http://migsim.ic.cz/AZS.xml (http://migsim.ic.cz/AZS.xml)) and right-click, select save page as. Make sure you save the page as "Web page,XML only" then put the saved .XML file into the panels folder inside the Mig-21 folder; Be sure to backup the original AZS file if something goes wrong; Hope that helps. :jump:

delta_lima

July 7th, 2011, 13:50

Woohoo!!! Awesome Zsolt - looks superb!

I didn't mention this earlier, because I didn't you would do it - the only minor I see with this scheme (not the fault of your work, because this was in the original art) is the national markings.
42589

The Studio Gekko artist used the very modern, dotted-line national style, more common later period Aggressor aircraft (eg: F-15), whereas I believe the "Top Gun" (NSAWC) / USAF Aggressors scheme this is modelled after is more along the 1980's style of markings, where the national markings were solid black, as per this:

42590
Sorry I couldn't get a close up of the national insignia ... but you get the idea!

Again, small detail, not your fault, and if you're too far along to change - no problem!

:guinness:

dl

ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 14:09

delta_lima

July 7th, 2011, 14:13

Hi,

I think it fits well on the Retro rounds!
The NSAWC team is not used Mig-21MF aircraft :-)
It is a fiction, painting!
Previously, do not you write that you want a new mark

No problem - like we've both acknowledged - it's a fictional scheme. Don't worry.

Many thanks - I did not even dream you'd do it, especially so quickly. Look forward to it (and whatever other little suprises you have for us!).

Many, Many, Many thanks,

dl

dvj

July 7th, 2011, 16:22

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9793/201177222312531.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/201177222312531.jpg/)

Stunning! Are these paints posted somwhere here for us mortals?

ZsoltB

July 7th, 2011, 21:03

Of course!
Soon share with you!

skyhawka4m

July 7th, 2011, 22:00

outstanding work Zsolt......I love them all!

Stickshaker

July 8th, 2011, 00:49

You are a true artist, Zsolt, and you make this plane even more special.

ZsoltB

July 8th, 2011, 04:59

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4508/201178143610921.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/201178143610921.jpg/)

skyhawka4m

July 8th, 2011, 05:11

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4508/201178143610921.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/201178143610921.jpg/)

:applause::medals:

delta_lima

July 8th, 2011, 08:17

Hooray!

Black 36 will keep Red 07 some company!

What do you think about this lovely scheme ... (wink)

42724

skyhawka4m

July 8th, 2011, 08:35

ZSOLT.....yopu might find this helpful also......has a couple interesting Soviet markings options too

http://www.eduard.cz/products/pdf/n82/8231.pdf

ZsoltB

July 8th, 2011, 08:54

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4538/201178185027484.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/201178185027484.jpg/)

SeanTK

July 8th, 2011, 09:04

That RAF scheme looks great!

Hopefully we'll see a few VVS liveries appear.
Also, some LSK (East Germany) paints would look great as well!

delta_lima

July 8th, 2011, 09:07

Brilliant!

Yes, the Studio Gekko site has some superb stuff. The F-4 Phantom is a massive wealth of quality, what ifs. Some are pretty believeable.

Well done, Zsolt!!

dl

Ferry_vO

July 8th, 2011, 10:23

Anyone been able to get past mach 1.4? Even in a near vertical, full a/b dive it wouldn't go faster.

UnknownGuest12

July 8th, 2011, 10:51

Russian skins anyone? Please? they use to fly this bird too :kilroy: or not? :icon_lol:

ZsoltB

July 8th, 2011, 11:00

Russian skins anyone? Please? they use to fly this bird too :kilroy: or not? :icon_lol:

#172 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?48997-Ivan-Jurcaga-Mig-21MF-soon!-(now-released)&p=603239&viewfull=1#post603239)

:173go1:

delta_lima

July 8th, 2011, 11:08

Russian skins anyone? Please? they use to fly this bird too :kilroy: or not? :icon_lol:

Agreed. Nice, plain aluminum ...

http://www.soviethammer.info/img/upload/erggrgrergger.jpg

... or strike camo ....

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/Since1978SW/MiG-21MF Research/MiG-21MFSovietAfghanCombat.jpg

The possibilities are huge.

dl

ps: yes, I know the first is a Bis .... :)

skyhawka4m

July 8th, 2011, 11:12

I wonder what the chance of an SMT variant/model will be from these folks?

ZsoltB

July 8th, 2011, 11:26

Someone can say that this model, why not work the Captain Sim Weapon pack?
:-(
Any idea?

hschuit

July 8th, 2011, 12:56

Anyone been able to get past mach 1.4? Even in a near vertical, full a/b dive it wouldn't go faster.

Nope, floored it at FL360, could not exceed Mach 1.2 in level flight. Not sure how to fix this, the FDE looks quite unusual: Empty weight is set almost 2x what it should be according to the books and the engine parameters look odd too with e.g. a thrust_scalar=2.0. My faint guess is this has been done intentionally to give the flight characteristics a heavy feeling to it? Without a good understanding of what is behind this, I am afraid messing about with the engine/weight values might make things worse...

peter12213

July 8th, 2011, 13:13

Its not somthing to do with the auto cone settings is it? What was the aircrafts top speed in real life could it go to mach 2.0?P.s. Zsolt would you please release your Finnish and Indian AF textures please?

roan2004

July 8th, 2011, 13:24

Great plane !
I made a short video with one of polish air force repaints.
I'm a newbie MIG pilot. Need more practice! :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtqxxz_YcgI
Greetings.
ROAN

stormtrooper271

July 8th, 2011, 13:25

Is the cone supposed to have a visual effect, because I haven't seen it move with it set to automatic or manually adjusting it.

SeanTK

July 8th, 2011, 14:12

The nose cone doesn't have a wide range of travel, but it does move on this (or at least my) model.

Here are some real world examples of the cone in various positions:

http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=198892

papab

July 8th, 2011, 15:26

Great plane !
I made a short video with one of polish air force repaints.
I'm a newbie MIG pilot. Need more practice! :P

Greetings.
ROAN

Great Video Roan!!!!

Thanks..

Rick

atf300

July 8th, 2011, 16:39

Great plane !
I made a short video with one of polish air force repaints.
I'm a newbie MIG pilot. Need more practice! :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtqxxz_YcgI
Greetings.
ROAN

really nice !!!

whats the scenery you're using ?

SeanTK

July 8th, 2011, 18:33

More source material for liveries:

Real world templates:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/14

More (you may need to highlight the whole link and put it in your browser, it looks like the formatting keeps messing up):

http://www.jplanes.com/Images/Mig-21 images/MIG-21(Y4).jpg

http://www.glideslope.nl/gallery/wrecks/norvenich-dorf_mig-21m.jpg

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/14/pics/45_1.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/e/e2/Mig21.jpg

http://www.mig-29.com/aircraft/MiG-21/3.jpg

http://www.acig.info/UserFiles/File/SubSaharanAfr/II_Ethiopian_Eritrean_War_1998_2000/etaf_mig-21bis_1087_003.jpg

http://www.roaf.ro/en/download/desktop_wallpaper/lancer_a_6581.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/mig-21 paint/nenad24/A.jpg

http://www.aviaworld.com/photo/Finnish Air Force/slides/Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed - MiG-21bis.JPG

Finally, maybe if more repainters get involved, we can set a goal! At least one livery from every Mig-21 former/current operator. Here's the list:
http://www.mig-21.de/english/inservice.htm

bstolle

July 8th, 2011, 21:11

Nope, floored it at FL360, could not exceed Mach 1.2 in level flight. Not sure how to fix this, the FDE looks quite unusual: Empty weight is set almost 2x what it should be according to the books and the engine parameters look odd too with e.g. a thrust_scalar=2.0. My faint guess is this has been done intentionally to give the flight characteristics a heavy feeling to it? Without a good understanding of what is behind this, I am afraid messing about with the engine/weight values might make things worse...

That's why I asked if there are any Mig 21 pilots who would like to have high quality FDs for the Mig-21, but there wasn't a single reply....

Well, if there are any manuals and at least one pilot report available I could make high quality FDs for the Mig-21 if there's enough demand.

Barfly sent me already very useful links, so it might be possible to achieve FDs of similar quality as for the Milviz T-38.

newcomer

July 9th, 2011, 00:38

Two new Czech repaints available ... http://www.flightsimulator.cz/repainty/vojenske

Maury2008

July 9th, 2011, 00:41

I can't get the ILS indicator to work.Set in nav1 radio the ils frequency but the needles on the indicator don't moves. Anyewlse get this problem?

Maury

VaporZ

July 9th, 2011, 01:37

Agreed. Nice, plain aluminum ...

http://www.soviethammer.info/img/upload/erggrgrergger.jpg

... or strike camo ....

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/Since1978SW/MiG-21MF%20Research/MiG-21MFSovietAfghanCombat.jpg

The possibilities are huge.

dl

ps: yes, I know the first is a Bis .... :)

Here is a famed Russian repaint produced by french repainter Fulbert.

This is "Blue 30" seen in Reims french air force base in 1971 during a visit of the Soviet Air Force Chief Commander, Marechal P.S. Kutakhov.

http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?id=32795

On message No.5 of this topic "Fulbert" also offer a brand new configured version download of this Mig-21MF :

This new version take back all modifications proposed by Bob Chicilo but without the 2D panel, plus :

a realistic two underwing fuel tanks configuration
new contact points for the front wheel
the repaint kit
starting procedure
"Blue 30" repaint only

I download it and added after the original and add-on repaints on this version.
Very interesting !
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

fsafranek

July 9th, 2011, 11:36

I wonder what the chance of an SMT variant/model will be from these folks?The MiG-21 F-13 came out two years ago in July 2009. So who knows.
:ernae:

VaporZ

July 10th, 2011, 01:51

Here is a famed Russian repaint produced by french repainter Fulbert.

This is "Blue 30" seen in Reims french air force base in 1971 during a visit of the Soviet Air Force Chief Commander, Marechal P.S. Kutakhov.

http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?id=32795

On message No.5 of this topic "Fulbert" also offer a brand new configured version download of this Mig-21MF :

This new version take back all modifications proposed by Bob Chicilo but without the 2D panel, plus :

a realistic two underwing fuel tanks configuration
new contact points for the front wheel
the repaint kit
starting procedure
"Blue 30" repaint only

I download it and added after the original and add-on repaints on this version.
Very interesting !
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

On my request, Fulbert produced also yesterday famed and well known
"Soviet / Blue 40" seen on a visit in Finland in 1974.

This Mig-21 is wearing "Cyrillic / Russian" Red or Blue inscriptions on each side
of the cockpit sponsoring a soviet communist youth organisation.

Its here to download on message No.9
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?pid=325770#p325770

Thanks to Fulbert
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

Mithrin

July 10th, 2011, 03:24

First flight, first landing. I'm happy. What an iconic aircraft! Awesome job, thanks so much! We need more of these kind of planes. Su-22 anyone? :D

Lateral-G

July 10th, 2011, 05:59

hschuit

July 10th, 2011, 06:29

I need help getting the weapons and external tanks to display.....
I found the panel on the r/h side of the cockpit. There are buttons numbered 1 thru 9 and the button that denotes 10ths +/-

However,pressing these buttons yields no results. I've even flipped the weapons switches located on the right side c/p panel but still no joy.

What am I doing wrong?

You tried to change the loadouts using the ADF panel, loadout panel should pop up on the right side of the ADF panel.

Normal state:
42934

ADF + Loadout Panel activated:
42933

richcreator

July 10th, 2011, 06:47

If I would've posted that cockpit startup procedure video, I would've explained what I was doing and especially
allow everybody to hear the engines start up, which is what flight is all about, and left out the music.
If you would consider for a moment going to an air show, especially to see the Blue Angels, and the loud speakers
were playing music so loud you could not hear the airplanes at all. Would this appeal to you? And if
you complained, they told you to put on noise cancelling head phones and you just watched the airplanes and heard nothing ?

VaporZ

July 10th, 2011, 09:12

ZsoltB

July 10th, 2011, 09:18

FSX Drzewiecki Design Polish Airports vol.2 v2

YoYo

July 10th, 2011, 09:49

If I would've posted that cockpit startup procedure video...
Hi and welcome. Please change Your signature. Dont know why but You have signature bigger 4 times than Your post. I dont know what I must read - post or signature? Too big isnt right solution for me and the others.

Bjoern

July 10th, 2011, 11:07

Yes. It's a pretty good kit. Switching to it now.
:ernae:

Downloaded it yesterday. Looks very usable.

- Edit: Cut down the aircraft folder from 160 to 55 MBytes thanks to texture.cfgs and a shared folder. Much better!