Short Sunderland - Payware ?

[Ian Warren]

Can anyone pick out the errors ! .... look at them depth charges , drop one off them you would blow an entire U-boat Wolf-pack otta the water
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/1Large-50.jpg
From the VC it appear, s to be in the correct position ? NO ITS NOT ! the wings sits on top and were is the float ?
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/2Large-48.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/3Large-47.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/4Large-38.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/5Large-31.jpg
Many other issue, s - at $50NZ and was on special i hope FCS come to the party .
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[Ian Warren]

Now they really are pulling my leg here .. this is shoddy , Like a R18 horror movie
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/1Large-51.jpg
Good sake s Norm , i no you were RNZAF crew on these don't any more .. please
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/2Large-49.jpg
And Please Adrian , dont show your dad either !
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/3Large-48.jpg
look how smooth the hull blends in .....
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/4Large-39.jpg
Now look at the view , cracker
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/5Large-32.jpg

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[OleBoy]

I'm willing to bet that a representative of FCS will not respond to this post. That thing looks ugly!!

[calypsos]

I took a look at the name (a certain Mr D Chester of Fs9 payware VC10/Trident fame) involved in this and gave it a wide berth! Looks like I was right to do so, it is shoddy even if it were freeware, in today's world.

[jankees]

you mean to tell me that you guys actually bought this? Paid money for it?

[Ian Warren]

you mean to tell me that you guys actually bought this? Paid money for it?
:redf:Yeah i Jan , i,m so embarrassed , I just had to get the word out , i was customer 175 .
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[guzler]

I never knew the Sunderland was made out of breeze block :isadizzy:

[Ferry_vO]

No, those are the same tiles they apply to the outside of the space shuttle to protect it against heat. Those Sunderlands are a lot faster than they look!

[wombat666]

Looks as if they used the old Airfix kit as a master and added extra 'rivets' ......:173go1:

[Ferry_vO]

Just installed Stuart Green's ancient (In computer terms) CFS2/FS2004 Sunderland in FsX and that model still looks better! It only needs the gauges replaced (Won't load with the ones that come with it) and the prop textures fixed to reduce the cloud issue.

[Roger]

It's a real shame as I was really looking forward to a native Sunderland. I wonder if the majority of the external issues are related to the bump maps? I'd be interested to see how it looks with the bumps removed.

[dhasdell]

No - not Airfix. Theirs had accurate markings. And it only cost 10/6 in real money! (52½p today)

[W. Bleddyn]

I wonder if the majority of the external issues are related to the bump maps? I'd be interested to see how it looks with the bumps removed.

I think it might help with some, but the horror of those last 3 shots.. I don't think so..

[paulb]

It's a real shame as I was really looking forward to a native Sunderland. I wonder if the majority of the external issues are related to the bump maps? I'd be interested to see how it looks with the bumps removed.

I wonder how it is textured? Are the wings and fuselage straightforward or do they use a number of different textures? If the model is considered to be not beyond redemption (and I am not sure having looked at the pics), and the texturing is fairly straightforward, then maybe I could have a look at doing a repaint?

I always liked the Sunderland.

[calypsos]

But I think you would still have to buy a copy, I do not think there is a free paint kit Paul.

The VC10 and Trident were of similar standard and (years ago) much protesting came from the designer because of similar comments (to this thread) were made by the freeware team at CBFS who made free versions to a much greater accuracy.

[Paul K]

I wonder how it is textured? Are the wings and fuselage straightforward or do they use a number of different textures? If the model is considered to be not beyond redemption (and I am not sure having looked at the pics), and the texturing is fairly straightforward, then maybe I could have a look at doing a repaint?

I always liked the Sunderland.

I wouldn't bother. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Look at the head-on shot; the fuselage isn't even symmetrical. And yes, you'd have to buy a copy...even software pirates have standards.

[paulb]

But I think you would still have to buy a copy, I do not think there is a free paint kit Paul.

The VC10 and Trident were of similar standard and (years ago) much protesting came from the designer because of similar comments (to this thread) were made by the freeware team at CBFS who made free versions to a much greater accuracy.

As you might guess, there is no way that I will be buying this particular Sunderland! :icon_lol:

[OleBoy]

I've purchased a couple add ons from FCS. After I've already seen in-sim snaps because I was not taking the plunge. I've mentioned this in another related post. I'll say it again here.

The fact that they do not display pictures that show anything of any size should tell the potential customer something. They show you just enough to get you real curious. Next thing you know, a post of this nature arises somewhere with an unhappy customer that got suckered into buying a shotty product. Unfortunately, there were many before you bought yours. I say, contact them. Tell them you want your money back. If they decline, spread the word :173go1:

[Bjoern]

Looks like I was right to do so, it is shoddy even if it were freeware, in today's world.

Anything goes, if it's free.

[AckAck]

At the risk of defending them... the VC shot of the wing may not be that far off - the wing root actually is under the cockpit, and the white bit under the engine might be the "missing" float. The wing is, however, either too far back or missing the inboard engine, which should be blocking most of that view, from what I can see.

Brian

[Desert Rat]

I was looking forward to this one, what a downer. From the ass shot she looks like a concertina, man those ripples are fierce. The textures look like polystyrene ceiling tiles and both this and the modelling look similar in style to the Hawker Heroes Typhoon (the less said about that one the better, at least that pack had 3 pretty decent kites to make up for the ugly sister)

I had this one on my wish list @ Amazon for ages, but after seeing the pictures in the previous thread, it was swiftly removed. If a payware company wants to survive, they surely must do better than this?

Jamie

[Ian Warren]

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The fact that they do not display pictures that show anything of any size should tell the potential customer something. They show you just enough to get you real curious. Next thing you know, a post of this nature arises somewhere with an unhappy customer that got suckered into buying a shotty product. Unfortunately, there were many before you bought yours.

I mailed FCS last week ,be interesting if i get a reply , the original screen i thought were WIP , have a look at the CD cover it has been doctor to hide the hidieious bumps .



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[Desert Rat]

.....and the white bit under the engine might be the "missing" float. ...

That's the inboard spinner, you can see the prop disc. You are right though, it should be more visible. From the top down shot, the inner engine is further forward than the pilot, something is wrong somewhere, without looking it up not sure if external or VC is wrong.

Jamie

[paulb]

Just slightly off topic......................

For what its worth, I have the FCS Wellington - pics below. It came free a week ago with a set of CH pedals.

It's not really a 'keeper' for me, but it does look better than the Sunderland?

[Desert Rat]

The Wellington is a different designer, the same one who did the nice planes in the Hawker Heroes pack, the FCS Hurricanes, the early years pack, WWI fighters, and a nice Tripacer in the Discover Europe pack. Think he did the Lancaster to. I have them bar the Lanc and am pretty happy with them all.

He has been seen round these parts I think. But not his issue, this isn't his model (I think he may have done work for other companies too.)

[OleBoy]

I remember the early days of getting myself familiar with all this flight simulator hoopla. I didn't know a thing. To add to it, I had no idea where to go, what to read, what was good or bad. I still remember my first purchases that were marketed through the infamous Abacus reseller. I remember buying three models from there, and it was a big let down in my expectations of what I was trying to get interested in. Can't recall the planes they were but, I flew them all for about 5 minutes each and then closed the simulator with a real 'let down' feeling. I took them off my hard drive and, believe it or not I wasted a cd to burn them too. Then I thought to myself, why am I doing this? Saving these when I am unhappy with them makes no sense. Well, I was hoping ..for something. What, I had no clue. About a year ago I tossed the disc in the fire. What I should have done was contacted Abacus and told them I wanted a refund. Live and learn.

Two years later; I don't buy anything unless it comes from a reputable developer who stands behind the products they sell.

[icarus]

from a reputable develope

lucky that i am not then

[paulb]

I remember the early days of getting myself familiar with all this flight simulator hoopla. I didn't know a thing. To add to it, I had no idea where to go, what to read, what was good or bad. I still remember my first purchases that were marketed through the infamous Abacus reseller. I remember buying three models from there, and it was a big let down in my expectations of what I was trying to get interested in. Can't recall the planes they were but, I flew them all for about 5 minutes each and then closed the simulator with a real 'let down' feeling. I took them off my hard drive and, believe it or not I wasted a cd to burn them too. Then I thought to myself, why am I doing this? Saving these when I am unhappy with them makes no sense. Well, I was hoping ..for something. What, I had no clue. About a year ago I tossed the disc in the fire. What I should have done was contacted Abacus and told them I wanted a refund. Live and learn.

Two years later; I don't buy anything unless it comes from a reputable developer who stands behind the products they sell.

I think that this is the dilemma nowadays. You can't really see and touch the product before you buy it. With most things you can visit a shop and see or touch the product. Even music CD's usually give you a free 30 second listen before you buy them online. Ideally, software with a trial period would solve that problem.

I came back into FS last Sept after a longish break. With a few upgrades on my pc, I found that I could run FSX OK (if not really great) and starting buying quite a lot of software for it. My aircraft purchases have been mixed. Generally they are quite expensive - especially if you don't use them much after the first hour or so exploring them! To be fair, I have been very happy with some purchases - eg Aerosoft Beaver, Iris Diamonds (in their sale), Real Air Spitfire 2008, Carenado Seneca, Flight 1 Me109s - to name just a few. But too many others, which shall remain nameless, were a total waste of money. It's not that they were all bad, it's just that they were not 'keepers' for me. Spend £25/$40 dollars, fly around for an hour and know that you will never use that plane again...........Not great :frown:.

As you say, you get a real 'let down' feeling.

[Ian Warren]

Paul , 99 per cent are great , some expensive some not , but you can see the effort put into the model and also research required .. I was just hoping , closed my eyes and fingers crossed

Albeit taken from the retractable nose turret anchor position
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/1Large-52.jpg
And this as she is planning , Majestic !
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/2Large-50.jpg

I have send a mail to good friend who was in the RNZAF . he took a selection of color photo while serving on the Sunderland ,
very sure he will give permission , the reason i wanted a good model is the many photos i have and its NZ history . maybe i
should look at making one .


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[OleBoy]

http://www.users.waitrose.com/~mbcass/SHT1OF2.JPG
http://www.users.waitrose.com/~mbcass/SHT2OF2.JPG

[jp]

Looks like it's made of LEGOs...kinda.

[paulb]

Paul , 99 per cent are great , some expensive some not , but you can see the effort put into the model and also research required. maybe i
should look at making one .


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Hi Ian

I agree that there is little doubt that a lot of effort goes into every release - whether it be freeware or payware. I have done both.

Perhaps, the best chance of a decent Sunderland might be from Jens C, given his recent flying boats? Time will tell.

[Ian Warren]

http://www.users.waitrose.com/~mbcass/SHT1OF2.JPG (http://www.users.waitrose.com/%7Embcass/SHT1OF2.JPG)
http://www.users.waitrose.com/~mbcass/SHT2OF2.JPG (http://www.users.waitrose.com/%7Embcass/SHT2OF2.JPG)

Thanks for the info and plan data with this available , how could they get it so wrong , not a Sunderland but hull was so close just needed mods following photos and testing , as many said Jens B Kristensen :salute: nailed it and got it right .

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[Stratobat]

Are you going to ask for a refund, Ian?

Regards,
Stratobat

[W. Bleddyn]

The Wellington is a different designer, the same one who did the nice planes in the Hawker Heroes pack, the FCS Hurricanes, the early years pack, WWI fighters, and a nice Tripacer in the Discover Europe pack. Think he did the Lancaster to. I have them bar the Lanc and am pretty happy with them all.

The Lanc is the only one I do have and I actually quite like it with the exception of the poor pop-up panels. Other then that it looks great, flies great..

That in itself is a problem though. Even in a company that employs several different developers, there should be a uniform quality control. OrbX is a good example. Load up any of their airfields and it looks like an OrbX field, no matter who made it. When I pay for two items from the same company, I expect to find the same level of quality in both.

[Ian Warren]

Are you going to ask for a refund, Ian?

I'm more than happy for a good fix and replacement CD , if not a refund , no point sending it back, its bloody horrible , and if they do want it back they will be required to pay the return post .
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[Ian Warren]

Why my interest - Very good friend , my hopes
Norman Shieffelbien Ex RNZAF Crewman , from the early to mid 1960s , his pictorial view : Enjoy
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http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/3Large-49.jpg

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[Ian Warren]

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:wavey: See ya at www.nzff.org
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[scottmm73]

Great Pics, Ian!!

[jankees]

very nice pics, thanks for posting them!

[paulb]

Great to see the pics. Thanks!

[jp]

Those are great pictures. I bet the other pilots, the ones who couldn't swim and fish from their aircraft, were envious.

[foreigndevil]

Thanks for these great shots! And such a shame that the Sunderland for FSX has turned out to be such a horrible thing. I was looking forward to having a good one in FSX.