Airliner advice

[Roger]

Big generalisation but for those of you who fly "Heavy metal" what's out there? Pay or free it doesn't matter, I'm interested in systems, visuals, add-ons and even the best airports to fly in and out of.
All opinions greatfully received as it is an area of Fsim that we don't often cover here. If you're not a member but have some input to offer, sign up and post.:engel016:

Cheers,

Roger.

[Navy Chief]

Roger,

When I fly tubes, my favorite is the DC-9. Just have always liked the way it handles, whether it's the payware SkySimulations version, or the freeware one.

I suppose part of my preference for that aircraft is also because of all the dets I went on, and it was a Navy C-9 that provided transportation.

As for airports? For me, that would be NAS Whidbey Island, and Andersen AFB, Guam. Civilian airports, I like Chattanooga, and Indianapolis. Chattanooga is the airport I fly out of for trips in real life (cannot stand Atlanta), and Indy is where I grew up.

NC

[Roger]

Thanks Chief,
That's the sort of input I want.

Love the Siamese.

[jetstreamsky]

The PMDG J41 provides a nice prop alternative http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/js4100.html

The Aerosoft A320 is a nice middle of the road approach for a tube liner.

[Roger]

The PMDG J41 provides a nice prop alternative http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/js4100.html

The Aerosoft A320 is a nice middle of the road approach for a tube liner.


Thanks,
What are the systems like in the Aerosoft A320?

[lucas81]

I think that each of the tubeliner fan has his own favourite :)
Mine is Level-D 767. Well, the model is a little bit old, there are some which offer better visuals. But what forced me to purchase was the manual and tutorial flight script with very detailed pictures. It is very well written with some sense of humor and it is great for people, like me, who have never flown the tubeliners in the FS world before. The addon has some simple "missions" and takes advantage of some FSX goodies.
So, a bit older model, but with great system modelling and a very, very good manual.

Lucas

[Roger]

Thanks Lucas, good info there.

[jetstreamsky]

Fairly extensive, but with some simplifications in the vertical nav mode. Best to refer to this page http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/us/iboshop.cgi?showd,,11177_1 the big advantage is you can choose to keep it simply and fly hands on and use systems as you want to or go the full hog as far as the simulation allows. If you want the full system experience and a degree to go with it, then I believe the big iron PMDG models are the way to go.

Another option is to go small with the Flight1 Cessna Mustang which has nice system modeling along airliner lines, but the advantage of small airfield access.

[Akatsuki]

It depends if you want to fly steam gauges or glass panels.
When i want to fly old irons i enjoy CS boeing 707 for the modern ones it's the CS Boeing 767 i use (she needs some switch flickering but mostly on the overhead panel to get you ready for take off tho). As for Aerosoft's A320 i wish i could enjoy it because it's really a nice looking model BUT i have constant CTDs with it... It seems very few have this problem and Aerosoft says it's a memory issue due to FSX itself and that it can't be fixed...

For airports my favourite testing place is Bill's Dillingham you can take off and land big things there even if it's not used by big planes. :jump:
Another one that have lots of "charms" IMHO is Orbx's Tamworth. For bigger airports Orbx's Melbourne and Brisbanne are great but needs a strong system to be smooth.
In Europe i like Aerosoft's WeezeX, it's an old cold war RAF base in Germany used by low cost companies. The cool thing is that all the military infrastructures are still there.:salute:

[Roger]

Ok I'm taking it all in:ernae:

[jetstreamsky]

I agree about ORBX Tamworth which is also good for a mix of aircraft types, but Brisbane just won't run smooth for me, however the latest ORBX Cairns is just fantastic.

[Roger]

I agree about ORBX Tamworth which is also good for a mix of aircraft types, but Brisbane just won't run smooth for me, however the latest ORBX Cairns is just fantastic.

How's Canberra?

[Akatsuki]

I agree about ORBX Tamworth which is also good for a mix of aircraft types, but Brisbane just won't run smooth for me, however the latest ORBX Cairns is just fantastic.

I've just watched a video of Cairns and it looks great and if you say it's smoother than Brisbane then i have to buy it before Orbx Christmas sale ends!

I'm also curious about Canberra.

[jetstreamsky]

Haven't got Canberra, so I can't say, after Brisbane performance issues I stayed away from the larger airfields.

[FAC257]

Favorite tubers in my hanger:

A2A Boeing 377 w/Accusim
Most entertaining and interesting to fly of all my tubers because of the great systems modeling and the great view out the front for touring. Visuals inside and out are top of the line.

Coolskys MD-80 & MD-80 Pro
Still pretty sure these are still the only true FSX MD-80 models. The VC cockpits are a little dated by today's standards but the exteriors look great in the new McPhat HD repaints.The FMC in the MD-80 Pro is a tiny bit more in-depth than the non-Pro.

Captain Sim Boeing 727
Enough systems modeling to not get boring and the great looks of the CS VC style.

CaptainSim Boeing 707
Haven't been able to spend much time in her yet, but she looks great and the systems seem to be a step up from the B727.

Eaglesoft Cessna CitationX 2.0
Great baby tuber when you need to get somewhere really quickly. The systems in this one make me have to get out the manual to set up the flight each time. The other ones I've mentioned are almost jump in and go types compared to this one.

CaptainSim Lockheed L-100-30
The stretched 130 in civi-cargo hauling paints. Great CS visuals inside and out, but with minimal systems modeling, but like the B377 the view from up front is great.

FAC

[Roger]

Great stuff guys...keep it coming:ernae:

[Roger]

Something I'd love to see is some screenshots of of your favorite heavies.

[pilottj]

I would go for the PMDG 747 if you want the really heavy stuff. I didn't find it too overwhelming to handle. Of course I had the old PSS 747 panel since FS2k2 and was kind of familiar with the 747-400 layout. And the price isn't bad, you can find the Aerosoft boxed versions on Amazon for 20-30 bucks. That isn't bad considering the original retail price was around 80 I think. I would consider PMDG the 'accusim' of jet airliners. Very detailed model, systems, sounds...like all the ambient cockpit sounds/fans..etc. If you want classic I think the CS 727 or 707 is a good bet.

The A2A 377 looks beautiful but I haven't pulled the trigger to get it yet because I hope they get around to applying the B-17 interactive crew bit to it. I can't imagine trying to fly an instrument approach while running back and fourth between all the crew stations :D

Some future releases to look foward to the PMDG 737NG which will cover all the airliner variants and I believe the BBJ will be down the road after that. Also the CS 737-200 looks like it will be really nice.

Good luck Roger.

[Kiwikat]

By what you said, the PMDG MD-11 is easily the best option available right now. It is a more modern jet so its systems are different from the typical boeing systems and avionics. I even maintain a pretty decent frame rate when flying it, unlike the PMDG 747.

Second recommendation is definitely the Level-D 767. It is legendary, even moreso now that the winglet version is out.

[Akatsuki]

CS Boeing 767 over Oahu.

Right click on the image and select "view image" to see it in higher resolution.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p113/Josquin-d/2010-12-29_4-7-0-987.jpg

[guzler]

Freeware a/c that I fly alot:
Project Opensky 737, 747, 777. I've replaced my default 737 & 747 with these.

Project airbus A319/320/380 - all good although the 380 isn't FSX model

Captain sim stuff - 727 and just bought the 707 in the sale, highly recommend.

In the UK, I use the UK2000 scenery british airports which give alot of airports for the price, I highly recommend them and Gary gives excellent support if you need anything.

I've also got France VFR Corsica, which is excellent, although their scenery is expensive, but most of my flight time is here because it's so picturesque !

Whilst there are payware Boeings and Airbus's out there, the quality of the freeware stuff is too good for me to justify the purchases of the payware stuff.

[Ferry_vO]

Don't forget Thomas Ruth's freeware airliners!

So far he has done the Airbus A300/310/330/340/Beluga in several model variations, and of course the Antonovs 124 and 225. Systems wise not more complex than the default aircraft, but great models and very nice VC's. And they are all available for free!

[txnetcop]

CS727 has become all time favorite tube-liner. Hard enough to be a challenge yet easy to learn and fun to fly. I never dreamed I would like a tube-liner being a bush pilot type! Thomas Ruth 737 series, as Ferry said, is also very nice for freeware. I am also a fan of the DC-9 similar flight characteristics to the 727

For a bit of real nostalgia I really in love with the A2A 377 whether with or without Accusim it is an experience!

[expat]

I have the CS 727 and some other commercial payware but the jetliners I go back to over and over again are at the Historic Jetliners Group - Boeings, Convairs, Douglas - and just added - Lockheed. Freeware and the models and systems are well done and have excellent notes/instructions on their web site.

Then of course, if you want THE classic airliners go to Tom Gibson's California Classics for e.g. DC-4/6/7's, Boeing Stratocruisers and Lockheed Constellations and arguably more immersive than jetliners. Terrific stuff and nice people on their forum.

http://www.simviation.com/hjg/

http://www.calclassic.com/

[Ferry_vO]

Got this one during the Christmas sale two years ago but I do not fly it very often due to the poor framerates it gives. Systemwise it is very complete, it has a fully functional FMC on board. (Not that I know how it works.. ;-) )
This add-on livery is one of my favorite airliner paints ever btw!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr155.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr156-1.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr154.jpg

Slightly editted shot:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr162-1.jpg

[Ferry_vO]

Got this one during last year's sale, and I like it much better than the 757. Easier on the frames, not a lot of computers on board, and it looks and sounds better.

Great VC:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr163.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr164.jpg

Plenty of animated details inside and outside:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr166-1.jpg

Sleek and elegant:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr171.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr173-1.jpg

Another slightly editted shot:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr177.jpg

[Ferry_vO]

But my airliner with the most hours on the clock remains this classic beauty:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/DC-2/fsscr065.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/DC-2/fsscr329.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/DC-2/fsscr057.jpg

:engel016:

[PRB]

I don't have any payware Airliners, but this A300 by Thomas Ruth is very nice, and free! I haven't dived into any of the systems yet so I can't comment on that, but as you can see, it's basically payware quality. The other two pics here are of the freeware FSND Cessna Citation X. Not an airliner, but it's also spectacular and also free.

[doublecool]

This is an excellent Thread :salute:

[Roger]

This is an excellent Thread :salute:

I think it shows that Airliners are more popular in this forum than many of us would have thought!

Thanks for all your input:ernae:

[Willy]

I tend to like the tri-jets. As I don't have FSX, I get mine from Historic Jet Group. Not sure if they are FSX compatible or not. But I do like thier 727 and they've got an updated version of the E. Cantu L1011 Tri Star that I need to check out as that's my preferred heavy.

Thinking about getting the CS 727, just haven't made up my mind on it yet.

Edit: Oops, forgot one and don't see how I did. Probably got to thinking about the CS 727 and lost the bubble. David Maltby's DeHavilland Comet 4. The best freeware jetliner IMHO. Especially since he added the VC.

[SADT]

But my airliner with the most hours on the clock remains this classic beauty:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/DC-2/fsscr065.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/DC-2/fsscr329.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/DC-2/fsscr057.jpg

:engel016:

I whole-heartly agree with Ferry, the DC-2 is my airliner of choice, though, the LDS 767 looks pretty good (I haven't got the LDS 767 yet)

[FAC257]

I forgot about the DC-2. That's another one in this catagory that I enjoy flying.

It's a tiny tuber, but still a tuber. :)

FAC

[delta_lima]

Hey Roger,

Knowing your proclivity for things old, might I suggest the following:

AFG Caravelle - not for FSX per se, but ports perfectly, as seen in my thread on the subject here: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=47327

Also, SamDim did a fantastic TU-114 - the swept wings of a jet, with the cacophony of a turboprop - what more would you want? :)

Speaking of props, I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned Manfred Jahn's superb line of Connies, available now in FSX. Also, something I noticed a few days ago, they are STILL doing repaints to FSDZign Connie (I still think that was the BEST FS9 Connie model) - some now for FSX (almost 7 years on).

Of course, it goes without saying that the JH Comet 4 will be the cat's meow when it finally comes (the plane, that is, not the cat!).

Airports - loads to choose from. Back in the FS9 days a certain chap here (can't recall his name, had a Wall-E avatar) got me on to Avsim.su - some amazing gems there, as devs continue shifting toward FSX. Naturally, most airports are in Eastern Europe, but therein lies the exotic appeal.

Here's a few from there:

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- Screenshot 1 (http://www.avsimrus.com/file_images/83/img32355_1.jpg)
</TD><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px" bgColor=#ededed vAlign=top width="100%" align=left>The international airport in Helsinki, the capital of Finland. Located in a suburb of Helsinki - Vantaa, about 19 miles north of downtown Helsinki [2]. First class airport has three runways and can take most modern types of aircraft. A Helsinki-Vantaa Airport is more than 90% of international flights in Finland. Airport accepts planes more than 30 airlines, including Russian.
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and

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Finally, don't discount your old Calclassic airports altogether. This was discussed in another thread http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=41110&highlight=calclassic - Indochina 1962 airports work well, for example.

Hope that helps!

dl

[warchild]

ok, wellll.. ok.. some of my more favorite tubes.. Not neccessarily heavy metal,, but close enough :)..

I loved this plane.. The Ariane B-737-800 for fs9.. Expensive yes, but worth it..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/China-morning.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/ATA-N380TZ.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fsscr704.jpg


Samdims little russian scoot and shoot.. Too bad they never made a VC for it.. it was an awesome plane..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fs9-2006-12-24-22-48-52-01.jpg

FeelThere's Embraers.. all of them::

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/imageView.jpg

Igor Suprunov's Yak 40.. best plane i every flew outside of Miltons..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fsscr247-2.jpg

The CLC DC-10

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fs9-2007-11-01-03-10-42-02.jpg

And their A-340-600

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fs9-2007-10-29-13-49-08-59.jpg

[warchild]

and a litle clowning around :) ..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fs9-2007-10-30-00-58-23-93.jpg

[paulb]

I had many tubeliners in FS9 and previous versions.

I don't have many tubeliners in FSX today. Mainly because my pc has great difficulty running large highly detailed airports and complex aircraft at the same time!

This is probably as close as I get nowadays.........................:rolleyes:

[Willy]

Just checked and the HJG Lockheed L1011 TriStar is FSX compatible. And they have tons of paints for it.

[delta_lima]

Say Pam, where did you get the latest version of the this TU-124? Is this the one off avsim.ru/su? Does it come with any authentic Soviet-era Aeroflot paints?

thanks,


ok, wellll.. ok.. some of my more favorite tubes.. Not neccessarily heavy metal,, but close enough :)..


Samdims little russian scoot and shoot.. Too bad they never made a VC for it.. it was an awesome plane..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fs9-2006-12-24-22-48-52-01.jpg

[warchild]

Actually, its years old and i got it from Samdim Design ( http://samdimdesign.free.fr/ ) it appears to come with two livery's, Aerophlot old and new. There is still no VC for it though and i've pretty much given up on seeing one though i had always hoped..

[doublecool]

[QUOTE=warchild;528668]ok, wellll.. ok.. some of my more favorite tubes.. Not neccessarily heavy metal,, but close enough :)..


Igor Suprunov's Yak 40.. best plane i every flew outside of Miltons..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fsscr247-2.jpg

Pam, You got this to work in FSX :jump::jump::jump:

[Akatsuki]

CS Boeing 707...

... As usual right click on the image and select "view image" to see it in higher resolution.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p113/Josquin-d/2010-12-30_2-52-42-317.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p113/Josquin-d/2010-12-30_2-54-28-767.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p113/Josquin-d/2010-12-30_2-56-16-479.jpg

[muletrain]

Turboprops have been difficult to model particularly the Allison engines in the C-130 and L188. I recently discovered the best FDE and panel for the L188 that I have seen. FML188AP.zip at FlightSim.com. Although it is an FS9 model, it ports fairly well to FSX and it is actually fun to fly!
You can actually use the turbine inlet temps to set power. So if you want to try one of the larger turboprop tubeliners, I recommend it. Sounds are very good and it handles well.
Roy Marsh

[warchild]

[QUOTE=warchild;528668]ok, wellll.. ok.. some of my more favorite tubes.. Not neccessarily heavy metal,, but close enough :)..


Igor Suprunov's Yak 40.. best plane i every flew outside of Miltons..



Pam, You got this to work in FSX :jump::jump::jump:


Nooo, sadly i didnt.. Thats in FS9.. Igor had at one point said he was going to update it to fsx but i havent seen anything more of it since then.. :(.. I really wish he would..

[PRB]

Another freeware FSND ship, the MD-83.

[Cag40Navy]

What scenery is that PRB?

[PRB]

It's "Atolls of Tuvalu", by Pacific Island Simulations. Good stuff. There are several atolls and many airports like this one.

[Cag40Navy]

Thank you PRB!

[delta_lima]

Hello Josquin,

Where did you get that Lufthansa repaint? Is it for the FSX CS 707? I have only seen TWA and AA repaints - no European airlines ... would love to know if these are available.

thanks,

[Alan_A]

What a great thread! Thanks to all for your suggestions. I'm just beginning to look into airliners - always loved them (grew up under JFK) but was convinced I couldn't handle large transport aircraft in FS, 'til the A2A B-17 began to convince me otherwise. This discussion adds up to a terrific shopping list. Am grateful. Just sayin'... :salute:

[oldpropfan]

Any recommendations for tubes in the ERJ/CRJ families? I have the CS 727 and love it, would like to get something comparable in quality/systems modeling in a smaller package for those short hops.

Thanks,

[CG_1976]

Any recommendations for tubes in the ERJ/CRJ families? I have the CS 727 and love it, would like to get something comparable in quality/systems modeling in a smaller package for those short hops.

Thanks,

Wilco/Feelthere has the Emb/ERJ Family. Im still waiting on the CRJ family, Wilco's CRJ's are hideous/ugly insultive when compared to the default FSX CRJ.

[warchild]

Definetely the feelthere ERJ's. They're simply wonderful, and the learning curve isnt too awfully steep.

[expat]

Don't know how I could of have overlooked David Maltby's Vickers VC-10.

This is my long-ranger of choice. Fast, elegant, decent short field performance with fully automatic landing function (yes, it works!). Four loud, smoky RR engines. What more could you ask for?

http://www.avsimrus.com/file_images/40/img1435_1.jpg

http://www.fbachian.com/blog/imagens/dm-vc10-screens.jpg

http://www.jgaeurope.co.uk/BOACV/uploads/img48946f3e1708b.jpg

[guzler]

And of course the Comet and Trident, both with superb VC's. I know they are FS9 birds, but apart from the self shadowing, they're mighty fine in FSX

[Akatsuki]

Hello Josquin,

Where did you get that Lufthansa repaint? Is it for the FSX CS 707? I have only seen TWA and AA repaints - no European airlines ... would love to know if these are available.

thanks,

Yes it's the FSX CS 707. It's one of the default liveries.
There are 13 liveries with it by default, which are:

- Pan Am
- British Midland
- Olympic
- Qantas
- American Airlines
- TWA
- South African
- Lufthansa
- Air France
- British Airways
- Braniff
- Continental
- Equatoriana

[IanP]

Another "Medium" worth looking at is the FeelThere/Wilco Embraer Jets (not just the Embraer Regional Jets) range - I have the EJ170/190 pack, not the newer 175/195 pack, but they're still very nice little jets to fly. They fit between the Regional jets and the more common B737/A320 families, so can fly into and out of almost any commercial airport.

The only thing that will catch a lot of people out with the flight management systems on the Embraers (both EJs and ERJs) is that you have to complete the entire plan from runway to runway in order to get enroute info such as flight progress and descent points. This is less than useful if you don't know which runway you'll be landing on... Insert vicious scowl at the FSX default ATC here...

Ian P.

[beana51]

In my "Walter Mitty"Sim world Roger,I fancied myself as a Line Captain ,I found the "Captain Sim B 707" challenging....always looking for a First Officer,and flight crew with this....a hand full to command....then I think of "TEX JOHNSON"...who in a 707, did a double barrel roll..SOLO!...That really shattered my aspirations as a line pilot in a 707...So back to my old real life Cherokee PA 140B..and to continue Dream on!!...http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon28.gif.Vin!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_khhzuFlE

[delta_lima]

Great post - thanks. I am considering buying this aircraft, but available liveries/repaints is always a factor. Sorry for the diversion - hope it helps Roger and others in their consideration of an older jet ....

... back to regular programming ... :)


Yes it's the FSX CS 707. It's one of the default liveries.
There are 13 liveries with it by default, which are:

- Pan Am
- British Midland
- Olympic
- Qantas
- American Airlines
- TWA
- South African
- Lufthansa
- Air France
- British Airways
- Braniff
- Continental
- Equatoriana

[delta_lima]

Another older heavy - one I'm actually thing about too - is the CLS 747-200. It seems the '400s have been done to death by both payware and freeware alike - I find a special allure in the older version(s). I'm keen to know if someone has this, and how they like it. Again, not wanting to distract, but in the spirit of the thread's intent, may help others, including Roger.

dl

[Roger]

This has been such a constructive and informative thread that I think it deserves a stickie. Please all continue to post about your Airliner experiences.

Thanks,

Roger.

[delta_lima]

Oh - and if you enjoy heavy metal hurtling through the air at very high rates of speed, you have Mr. Ruth's TU-144 (port, not full FSX) and the FSLABS Concorde SST types .... think of all the time you save crossing the Atlantic ... you can ... fly even more FS! :)

I haven't bought the Concorde from FSLABS - would love to hear some impressions - but just thought I'd add that one too.

dl

[ryanbatc]

I'm sure you have a bzillion opinions by now (haven't read the thread) but I'm recommending the Eaglesoft C750. It's a bizjet but awesome systems and functionality. full LNAV/VNAV modeled. Updateable airac data via Navigraph. And it's very fast!

http://www.eaglesoftdg.com/CitationX_20.htm

[guzler]

Here's a few screenies of freeware tubes that I use alot...

DM's Trident - FS9 a/c, but ports over very well with great VC
26670

DM's VC10, again a portover, but great
26671

Tin Mouse 727, again port over, but looks fab
26672

[guzler]

A few more...

Project Airbus FSX A319 using default A321 VC
26678

Posky fsx 737 using default 737-800 VC
26679

[gera]

I flew the 727 many times, mostly Lloyd Aero Boliviano to La Paz. The Captain Sim is for me the best tube around. I remember this job taking off from La Paz, at 14000 ft altitude, eating the whole tarmac which is also around 14,ooo ft and finally just jumping a bit and flying for many miles very low gaining speed and altitude very very slowly....the CS 727 does it exactly as the real thing. You pull to hard or too soon and you stall it.

[TeiscoDelRay]

JF Connie is the only tube in my hangar.

[FAC257]

Here's a few of the CoolSky Super MD-80 Pro with one of the McPhat UHDT repaints.

26763

26764

26766

26765

FAC

[Ferry_vO]

Another classic airliner:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/fsscr182.jpg

With accu-sim this aircraft will keep you very busy as you will have to assume the role of the entire cabin crew by yourself!

[RyDraiggoch]

Late as Usual Roger

Any of DMs jets but especially the BAC1-11 and Comet (I worked for Dan-Air) Just started fooling with the Dc9 they have at HJG and its rather fun -- again the Diesel and I have a history.


Leif

As for airports
Thats tough

Vegas alot
Any of the Hawaiian Islands - again for familarity
any of Dan Airs old bucket and spade routes -- Palma/Ibiza/Alicante/Malaga/Gerona -- the usual suspects

[pilottj]

Any recommendations for tubes in the ERJ/CRJ families? I have the CS 727 and love it, would like to get something comparable in quality/systems modeling in a smaller package for those short hops.

Thanks,


http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=33966

Aerosoft is working on a CRJ that should be pretty good. After that they will work on their OV-10 which should be really great for exploring all those great Orbx sceneries

[paulb]

Hi Roger

Going back to your first post in this thread, I am still not sure whether you are seeking personal advice (assuming that airliners are something you have never bothered with in the past) or whether you wanted to simply start an interesting thread, or maybe both!!!!

There have been lots of posts in this thread with some excellent suggestions from people more knowledgable than me about FSX tubeliners. However, just for the moment, I will assume that you might be seeking some personal suggestions. If so, then here are a few based on my own experience and thoughts. :)

I used airliners a lot in FS2002 and earlier, a fair bit in FS2004 and very little in FSX. My main reason for not using them in FSX is simply processing power - complex aircraft and detailed airport scenery with a lot of traffic slows down my pc to a level that I can't live with. However, based on my past experience, after trying most things, I found myself focusing most on a few aircraft that I liked and on airports that were interesting.

For example, one of my favourites was the CS727 - designed for FS2002, but usable in FS9. A beautiful looking aircraft with fairly complex systems and - most importantly for me - lots of character! My other favourite was the 747-200 (ready for pushback). I had flown on this aircraft many times to different parts of the world and having it allowed me to recreate my real life experiences. The 747 was almost too complex for me. I had the ability but never enough time to really learn all of the systems. I think that is a problem for many of us. We only have so much free time and like to enjoy different aircraft or generally just playing around with FS. I know that I spend far more time painting/reading/fixing etc than I ever spend flying! In fact, having gone through that loop, I doubt that I will ever buy some of the very complex aircraft available today. For example, I have seen some of the PMDG products - and I admire them greatly - but I know that I would not get value from them.

In terms of airports, one of my favourites was Kai Tak. A huge challenge to fly into, but great fun also! I also enjoyed any airport that involved a flight over the Alps - tremendous fun at dawn or dusk. In fact such longer flights - with some planning required - was one of the best aspects of airliners.

Anyway, a bit of a ramble, but hopefully of some use.

Cheers

Paul

[Roger]

Hi Roger

Going back to your first post in this thread, I am still not sure whether you are seeking personal advice (assuming that airliners are something you have never bothered with in the past) or whether you wanted to simply start an interesting thread, or maybe both!!!!

Cheers

Paul

Hi Paul,
Actually a bit of both:engel016: I still haven't mastered the A2A 377 yet but I get the impression that in it's way it maybe more problematical than a modern jet...once you've got all the engines started, lol.
I believe that perhaps members and visitors don't expect us to talk airliners here which means a good proportion of the Fs community is excluded. I'm also not sure how my pc would fair with large, complex aircraft but wirth all the great suggestions coming in I will be trying most of them.

Cheers,

Roger.

[paulb]

Hi Paul,
Actually a bit of both:engel016: I still haven't mastered the A2A 377 yet but I get the impression that in it's way it maybe more problematical than a modern jet...once you've got all the engines started, lol.
I believe that perhaps members and visitors don't expect us to talk airliners here which means a good proportion of the Fs community is excluded. I'm also not sure how my pc would fair with large, complex aircraft but wirth all the great suggestions coming in I will be trying most of them.

Cheers,

Roger.

LOL! Well said! :applause:

I do wonder though if FSX will ever become the sim of choice for many airliner enthusiasts. FS9 still seems incredibly well established after all these years and even today a look at downloads (eg on avsim) and the many very active groups of enthusiasts suggests that FSX has made only limited inroads into the FS airliner enthusiast community.

[beana51]

Hi Roger,as this is an FSX Discussion, and having like most,using FSX,and FS9,and still do, there is a lot of gratification in flying airliners......most of which is on Auto Pilot,and for virtual hours....mostly its the window time which is enjoyable..Unless of course you do a complete Flight plan,.Thats Work!..so great scenery counts.....Like the old Cliche.Boredom,punctuated by sheer terror.landings!..often set up by we for the most challenging we can create..Masochistic I would think,Thank God for instant corrective Sim landings!!.Which means a Landing approach into Innsbruck in Winter...Staying in the Winter mode,a trip from Yellow Knife to Anchorage at night,under the Aura Borealis (http://www.ask.com/web?q=aura+borealis&qsrc=19&o=101881&l=dis&prt=&chn=&geo=&ver=),.IS POSSIBLE!...An experience on a Real Airline Simulator,shows just how our Primitive our Sims are,..however ,in my home ,coupled with imagination,and the Frig close by..My Stewardess near,.Why its Great.!!....This I remind my self glancing at my avatar..we have come a long way...Perhaps in those next generation of Sims,some can really experience these things!!
So have Fun,That's the name of the game,of course we all are......HAPPY NEW YEAR':salute: