For those glue sniffers who built the FROG P40B/C

[huub vink]

You could either finish it as Henri Geselbracht's AVG P40 or as Clive Caldwell's Tomahawk. I assume most of you did chose the first one as it had this beautiful shark mouth (like me).

Cheers,
Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/P40_3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/P40_2.jpg

[jankees]

very nice, but didn't Caldwell's aircraft have a sharkmouth too? It's in the A2A package as LD-C.

[huub vink]

According to FROG the Tomahawk from Caldwell didn't have this shark mouth.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/P7220361.jpg

[RobH]

Great pics Huub, I have always loved the look of the P-40 B/C.

Jankees, I have never seen any photos with LD-C having a shark mouth. I would never claim to be right, but I think the 112th Squadron was the only one with shark mouths, and Caldwell at the time of LD-C was in the 250th Sqn?

[Tako_Kichi]

Jankees, I have never seen any photos with LD-C having a shark mouth. I would never claim to be right, but I think the 112th Squadron was the only one with shark mouths, and Caldwell at the time of LD-C was in the 250th Sqn?
You are correct in saying 112 Sqn (never with a 'th' for the RAF BTW) were the first RAF squadron to adopt the shark's mouth after seeing German Bf110 aircraft with the design earlier in the war. Photos of 112 Sqn aircraft were seen by the AVG in China/Burma and they followed suit shortly afterwards.

112 Sqn stayed with the design through to the later part of WWII when it was seen on P-51 Mustangs when they re-equipped. I did a 112 Sqn repaint for the A2A P-51D which is available here in the archive.

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[jankees]

I stand corrected, I mixed the squadrons in my head...

[huub vink]

That's interesting T_K. I knew the AVG shark mouth was inspired on the 112 sqn shark mouth, but I didn't know this was inspired by the Germans.

The pre-war Messerschmitt Bf109 C-1s from 2/JG71 had a shark mouth, but so did the Bf110s from II./ZG76 in 1940. I assume the British got inspired by the Bf110s.

As JanKees already mentioned I don't have to do Clive Caldwell's Tomahawk as this one is already included by A2A.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/P40_4.jpg

Cheers,
Huub

[Curtis P40]

Anything with "P40" in it grabs my attention. :jump: A P40 without the Sharks Mouth just doesn't look complete. Just look at Huub's first and last pic, you'll see what I mean.;)

[Tako_Kichi]

That's interesting T_K. I knew the AVG shark mouth was inspired on the 112 sqn shark mouth, but I didn't know this was inspired by the Germans.

The pre-war Messerschmitt Bf109 C-1s from 2/JG71 had a shark mouth, but so did the Bf110s from II./ZG76 in 1940. I assume the British got inspired by the Bf110s.
According to the 112 Sqn info on Wikipedia Huub you are absolutely right! :applause:


Inspired by the unusually large air inlet on the P-40, the squadron began to emulate the "shark mouth" logo used on some German Messerschmitt Bf 110s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_110) of Zerstörer Geschwader 76 earlier in the war.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._112_Squadron_RAF

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[paulb]

First of all, let me say that is a great repaint Huub :applause:

The discussion about the origination of the shark mouth is interesting.

It's worth remembering that sharks teeth appeared first in WW1. But, as noted the first major appearance in WW2 was on the Messerschmitt 110s of II Gruppe ZG 76 - the Haifisch (Shark) Gruppe. Having said that, as noted, sharks teeth appeared on Bf109s and Ju87Bs prior to that.

112 Sqn RAF in its Gladiators would have encountered ZG 76 over Greece and Crete, so it is probable that some inspiration was drawn from that time.

Cheers

Paul

[txnetcop]

Anything with "P40" in it grabs my attention. :jump: A P40 without the Sharks Mouth just doesn't look complete. Just look at Huub's first and last pic, you'll see what I mean.;)

Make that a double Huub! Anthing P-40 grabs my attention. Tex Hill lived just down the next block from us. So I had a healthy diet of P-40 stories! Outstanding paints!
Ted

[huub vink]

Sorry for the delay, but I the textures depicting the aircraft from Henry Geselbracht for the A2A P-40 have just been uploaded.

Enjoy,
Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Geselbracht_1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Geselbracht_2.jpg

[hey_moe]

Damn Huub, that looks sweet.
Sorry for the delay, but I the textures depicting the aircraft from Henry Geselbracht for the A2A P-40 have just been uploaded.

Enjoy,
Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Geselbracht_1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Geselbracht_2.jpg

[Gogo]

You could either finish it as Henri Geselbracht's AVG P40 or as Clive Caldwell's Tomahawk. I assume most of you did chose the first one as it had this beautiful shark mouth (like me).

Cheers,
Huub




I am also a glue sniffer, because I am completely incapable of creating some pictures so beautiful, with my computer. I've been looking for a black fuse like this....66956 a lot of time for my CFS3, and a P40 b / c of Pearl Harbour

[pilottj]

Lol yup, a P-40 thread gets my attention too. Of all the warbirds it is my favorite. The P-51 is a fabulous beast, as is the Spitfire...I like them both alot. I just like the P-40 a little more, I can't quite explain it.

She might be older, slower and not quite as combat capable as the others, but it really is quite the accusimmed bird for scenery exploration. Take off from XYZ FTX airstrip, even in the hot summer months, fly around at low altitudes with the canopy open. Spot another interesting airstrip..."hey I want to land there"...P-40 says with her big toothy grin..."Sure, looks fun." you land...taxi back...takeoff power, climb...fly to some big international airport, taxi around for a while....coolant temps just fine.

I even took off from Alice Springs in the middle of a hot Australian summer afternoon, after a long taxi to the active runway. No complaints from the Allison at takeoff power...that engine is one tough cookie. I think the Spitfire would be having a steaming fit in conditions like that :)

And it'll run on 91 octane ;)...you can see why Wild Bill Kelso lands at gas stations...besides could you picture Wild Bill in anything other than a P-40? To paraphrase Elwood Blues..."It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas":icon_lol:

Cheers
TJ

[Gogo]

Lol yup, a P-40 thread gets my attention too. Of all the warbirds it is my favorite. The P-51 is a fabulous beast, as is the Spitfire...I like them both alot. I just like the P-40 a little more, I can't quite explain it.

She might be older, slower and not quite as combat capable as the others, but it really is quite the accusimmed bird for scenery exploration. Take off from XYZ FTX airstrip, even in the hot summer months, fly around at low altitudes with the canopy open. Spot another interesting airstrip..."hey I want to land there"...P-40 says with her big toothy grin..."Sure, looks fun." you land...taxi back...takeoff power, climb...fly to some big international airport, taxi around for a while....coolant temps just fine.

I even took off from Alice Springs in the middle of a hot Australian summer afternoon, after a long taxi to the active runway. No complaints from the Allison at takeoff power...that engine is one tough cookie. I think the Spitfire would be having a steaming fit in conditions like that :)

And it'll run on 91 octane ;)...you can see why Wild Bill Kelso lands at gas stations...besides could you picture Wild Bill in anything other than a P-40? To paraphrase Elwood Blues..."It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas":icon_lol:

Cheers
TJ

Should be borne in mind that the wing of P-40, comes from the first models of P-36, and that the wing profile is almost flat in the wing lower surface. Besides its landing gear, it almost added externally. A wing profile, better designed and a leading edge, angled, he had been given a bigger role. In regard to everything else, is neither worse nor better than others, offset by a strong structure other shortcomings. Oddly, the wing profile keeps it until the P-40Q, which I never understood.
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