A Cat from Hell?

[Dexdoggy]

.. But I'm in heaven flying this plane!

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshots/images/8442010_12_7_21_44_23_750.jpg

[peter12213]

This shows no feeling no movement to me personally, the scenery is great but the aircraft is a great but old offering and shows nothing new or interesting, don't stop taking or showing your shots, just try to show somthing thats alive and shows either the aircraft or the scenery off! You clearly have an eye for what is great about FSX so don't stop and show more! This is what was said to me a long time ago and a lesson well learned! :salute:

[noddy]

Ouch, that's a bit harsh.

Nothing wrong with the shot at all, just maybe a little cropping that's all.

[expat]

Like your screenshot. Just got the F6F recently after long dithering and am very pleased with it. Highly recommended.

[NickB]

Nice shot. I still haven't decided about this model although I do particularly like the post war period aircraft/markings.


You clearly have an eye for what is great about FSX so don't stop and show more! This is what was said to me a long time ago and a lesson well learned! :salute:

Having read Peters comments a few times, I don't think they were meant as harshly as they "sounded". It's a pretty good pic when you see it full size.

[peter12213]

Yeah it wasn't meant to sound harsh so sorry if it did, I'd just personally look for close shots showing off the aircraft and scenery with good movement, it is a good shot I was just trying to give a few pointers thats all!

[Lateral-G]

This shows no feeling no movement to me personally, the scenery is great but the aircraft is a great but old offering and shows nothing new or interesting, don't stop taking or showing your shots, just try to show somthing thats alive and shows either the aircraft or the scenery off! You clearly have an eye for what is great about FSX so don't stop and show more! This is what was said to me a long time ago and a lesson well learned! :salute:

ouch.....

I thought the pic was pretty good myself.

[BOOM]

Love the shot.Love the Ole Warbird!!
Cheers!!

[Helldiver]

I did a minor bit of cropping. It looks like a Naval Reserve aircraft, from the yellow stripe on the fuselage. I would guess from about 1950. Why it's carrying a bomb is anybody's guess. I never, ever, saw a bomb loaded Hellcat. But after I got out eveything went to hell.

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[peter12213]

To be honest that was bugging me too!

[Rich]

To be honest that was bugging me too!

Why it was a fighter bomber it could take bombs and rockets , unless all the info found via google is wrong of course

[Rich]

A quick perusal of the pilots hand book it had a hardpoint under each wing to take 1000lbs of bombs unfortunately it does'nt specify if it is a 1000lb under each wing or a 500lb under each wing making 1000lbs total

[peter12213]

As far as my research got these never used bombs in action in the war only rockets and guns and as far as my reading got, the performance drop by carting underwing ordanace was universally hated due to range limitations and lack of maneuverability as the punch of the 6 fifties were more than enough for small ships/troops and by the time we won air superiority and at that stage of the war there were better types to carry bombs leaving Hellcats to perform there role as top cover/ minor strafing for such opperations, the Corsair however was very much a rocket carrier as it had the performance required to carry and still reach a decent range while loaded!

[Rich]

A little more reading and googling required, it seems Hellcats dropped 6500 tons of bombs in the ground attack role.

Read operational history


http://www.howitflies.com/Grumman-F6F-Hellcat

[Helldiver]

Well, I read your operational history and I did not see where "6500 tons of bombs" were used except for drones in the Korean war. I stand by my statement. I've seen many thousands of Hellcats on land and aboard carriers and sat in a couple dozen and I never saw a single one carry bombs.
Rockets yes, but no bombs.

[stansdds]

Helldiver is spot-on with the loadout of the F6F. Although the Hellcat could carry bombs, doing so was rare. The Hellcat was operated primarily by the U.S. Navy as a fighter, not a fighter-bomber. The Marines used the Corsair as a fighter-bomber and the USN did likewise with the Corsair in 1945 and during the Korean War. Post-war, which is how the F6F is depicted in this screen shot, a Hellcat in reserve duty might have been seen with a drop tank and sometimes with rockets, but not bombs. A few F6F-5K's were equipped with bombs and flown via remote control into bridges during the Korean war.

As for the tonnage of bombs dropped by Hellcats, perhaps that figure includes British use in WW II and French use in Indochina.

I did find one picture of a Hellcat in U.S. service carrying a bomb. Unfortunately, the picture is not dated nor does it have unit information, but there is one bomb attached to starboard shackle.

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Information like this is never put in the documentation that comes with either plastic model kits or computer sim aircraft.

I think it is a nice screen shot, but we have effectively picked it to death. My apologies if I have offended anyone.

[SkippyBing]

The Fleet Air Arm used the Hellcat for anti-shipping strikes off Norway including dropping bombs. There's a nice picture of an RN one (JX822 registration number fans) carrying a 1000lb bomb under each wing in 'British Warplanes of World War Two'. But then I guess Helldiver never saw that one.

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[Warrant]

Thought you were talking about my youngest cat, LOL!

Very nice plane and screenshot indeed!

[Quixoticish]

What's with all of the complaining? If Dexdoggy wants to fly his Hellcat in FSX with bombs, rockets, arrows, nukes and laser beams strapped under the wings then that's just peachy, that's his prerogative.

I'd hazard a guess and say he does it because it's fun and because he can. Nothing else needs to be said really.

[dharris]

http://www.acepilots.com/planes/f6f_hellcat.html

F6F Performance

Especially with the delays in the F4U program, the US Navy needed a superior carrier-based fighter in 1942-43. The Hellcat filled the bill. On average, it flew 55 MPH faster than the Zero; at about 20,000 feet it was 70 MPH faster. At altitudes in excess of 10,000 feet, it had a comparable rate of climb. At all altitudes, due to its heavier weight and greater power, it could out-dive the A6M. (This was generally true of American fighters; in a tough spot, the pilots could nose over, firewall the throttle, and zoom down.)

The 'dash Five' closely resembled the 'dash Three.' It had some extra armor, stronger main gear legs, spring tabs on the ailerons (for better maneuverability), and most of them had water-injection engines (the R-2800-10W). Both versions had 250 gallons capacity in internal tanks and a 150 gallon belly drop-tank.

Its armament, power, and range gave the Hellcat great versatility. The basic weaponry consisted of six wing-mounted .50 caliber machine guns, each with 400 rounds of ammunition. Many, including all F6F-5N and F6F-5P variants substituted a 20mm cannon with 200 rounds for the innermost machine gun in each wing. The Hellcat could carry a up two 1,000 pound bombs. Its most destructive weapons were six 5-inch HVAR's (High Velocity Aircraft Rockets), which the author Barrett Tillman described as "equal to a destroyer's broadside."

This variety of weapons and equipment permitted the Hellcat to carry out a broad range of missions: fighter versus fighter combat, strike plane escort, combat air patrol, long range search, ground support over invasion beaches, night fighting (see F6F-5N), and photo recon (see F6F-5P).

Operations - 1943

http://www.vectorsite.net/avf6f.html

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/aircraft/fighter/grumman-f6f-hellcat/gumman-f6f-3-hellcat-uss-yorktown-hanger-deck-1943-01.jpg

[Desert Rat]

...all I can say if it was me that posted the pic, I'd certainly think twice before I posted another.

Jamie

PS. I like the pic, Hellcat's and bombs on planes, ticks my boxes, :ernae:

[VCN-1]

...all I can say if it was me that posted the pic, I'd certainly think twice before I posted another.

Jamie

I agree with you 100%. Puts a real chill in wanting to post an image.

VCN-1

[Cees Donker]

Jamie's comment says it all. I think the tone was set in an early stage. I'd think twice to put in another shot. The first comments didn't really reflect the adagium of this site: 'Let being helpful be more important than being right,' did they?
:wavey:
Cees

[robcap]

I agree with you 100%. Puts a real chill in wanting to post an image.
VCN-1Ditto, geez, the guy posts a very nice screenshot, and you are all over him for various reasons. :blind:

[SADT]

I agree as well, I was thinking of posting some screenshots of a certain aircraft in FSX that wasn't in a strictly real situation, but now I am having second thoughts.........

(Koolhoven FK.58 in Amsterdam)

[allcott]

Jamie's comment says it all. I think the tone was set in an early stage. I'd think twice to put in another shot. The first comments didn't really reflect the adagium of this site: 'Let being helpful be more important than being right,' did they?
:wavey:
Cees

Possibly. I'd like to hear of examples of being helpful being better than being right.

Being right usually nails it. if you're wrong, you're not very helpful, are you? Does post #2 fulfill either criteria?

[Cees Donker]

I agree as well, I was thinking of posting some screenshots of a certain aircraft in FSX that wasn't in a strictly real situation, but now I am having second thoughts.........

(Koolhoven FK.58 in Amsterdam)

Well, I would really like to see that one!

Cees

[stansdds]

What's with all of the complaining? If Dexdoggy wants to fly his Hellcat in FSX with bombs, rockets, arrows, nukes and laser beams strapped under the wings then that's just peachy, that's his prerogative.

I'd hazard a guess and say he does it because it's fun and because he can. Nothing else needs to be said really.
That is true and this is a flight sim, not the real world. I often get wrapped up in the hunt for the greatest accuracy and in the sim world you don't need that to have fun. It is a nice screen shot.

Oh, by the way, can I have some sharks with laser beams attached to their heads?

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/stansdds/Austin%20Powers/DrEvil.jpg

[noddy]

Helpful advice is always welcome, helped me out a great deal.

[Desert Rat]

edited.....

decided to let it lie,
Jamie

[stansdds]

But speaking of a cat from hell, I found a nice photo of a real F6F-5K loaded with a 2000 lb bomb. USS Boxer, August, 1952. Weird seeing a Hellcat ready for launch and no one inside the cockpit.

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[SkippyBing]

I'd like to hear of examples of being helpful being better than being right.

Being helpful, better than being a ****

[SkippyBing]

I found a nice photo of a real F6F-5K loaded with a 2000 lb bomb.

Have you noticed how distorted the wheels are in that photo! Am I right in thinking the pod under the wing is for the TV camera for the controller?

[stansdds]

Have you noticed how distorted the wheels are in that photo! Am I right in thinking the pod under the wing is for the TV camera for the controller?
I'm sure she's on the heavy side with the remote control equipment plus the big bomb. The pod under the wing is a tv pod.

[Dexdoggy]

...didn't mean for this to be so controversial! :icon_lol:

The snap was just a moment of enjoyment of my new Vertigo Hellcat (yeh, I know it's not the latest release but I really like it!) and also my new "Atolls of Tuvalu" scenery that I had recently purchased! Don't rely on my poor screenshot; these add-ons are both fantastic and worthy additions for FSX!

[stansdds]

...didn't mean for this to be so controversial! :icon_lol:

The snap was just a moment of enjoyment of my new Vertigo Hellcat (yeh, I know it's not the latest release but I really like it!) and also my new "Atolls of Tuvalu" scenery that I had recently purchased! Don't rely on my poor screenshot; these add-ons are both fantastic and worthy additions for FSX!
The add on scenery package explains the nice looking water, shallows, and coastal waves. Nice colors too. :cool:

[BOOM]

...didn't mean for this to be so controversial! :icon_lol:

The snap was just a moment of enjoyment of my new Vertigo Hellcat (yeh, I know it's not the latest release but I really like it!) and also my new "Atolls of Tuvalu" scenery that I had recently purchased! Don't rely on my poor screenshot; these add-ons are both fantastic and worthy additions for FSX!


Love,love.love the screenshot.PLEASE keep them coming!! It's SO refreashing hearing about people enjoying FSX instead of the other way around.
Thank You for your screenshot and post Dexdoggy!
Happy Holidays to you! :)

[Desert Rat]

Hey Dex,

I love the shot, wish my X looked like that, green with envy I am. Anyway, your shot inspired me, I've just finished a little dash around in my Fleet air arm Gannet (Hellkitty :d) bought it ages ago on disc and forgot about it. Thanks for reminding me.

Jamie

PS. no pics I'm afraid (cos I am)

[Dexdoggy]

Thanks all for your kind words, and indeed have a great Christmas!

[Desert Rat]

Hey Dex,

I'm curious about the quote in your sig, from a film or something? Whilst I'm most definitely a dog person, that does sound a little harsh on olé Tiddles. Or was she the Cat from Hell you mentioned in your opening?

Jamie

[Dexdoggy]

Hey Dex,

I'm curious about the quote in your sig, from a film or something? Whilst I'm most definitely a dog person, that does sound a little harsh on olé Tiddles. Or was she the Cat from Hell you mentioned in your opening?

Jamie

Hi Jamie,
It's a line used in Battlestar Galactica which is my fav "dark" sci-fi show! Certainly no bad intent against kitties of any kind!

[Rich]

Jamie, have'nt you got the new FSX Gannet ASW that Rob Richardson did, I think I had that Gannet a good few years back spent more time on its tail when taxiing than on 3 wheels left it behind when I moved out here.


Hey Dex,

I love the shot, wish my X looked like that, green with envy I am. Anyway, your shot inspired me, I've just finished a little dash around in my Fleet air arm Gannet (Hellkitty :d) bought it ages ago on disc and forgot about it. Thanks for reminding me.

Jamie

PS. no pics I'm afraid (cos I am)

[Helldiver]

In defense of being "accurate", I would say that you fellows that don't give a R.A. as to if a plane is depicted correctly, I would say that there are so many inaccuarcies that have crept in about WWII aircraft that as long as I live. I will defend against them.
From the bob nosed PBYs the folding wingtip floats on the JRF, the back brace on the canopy of the Bearcat to the bombs carried by the Hellcats.
Now I lived with these aircraft and for future reference, I'd like to show them as they really were.
No jet engines on a PBY or purple TBFs thank you.

[SkippyBing]

Jamie, have'nt you got the new FSX Gannet ASW that Rob Richardson did, I think I had that Gannet a good few years back spent more time on its tail when taxiing than on 3 wheels left it behind when I moved out here.


Rich, I thinks he's referencing the fact that the Fleet Air Arm initially called Hellcats Gannets in keeping with the aircraft naming policy extant at the time. Then someone pointed out it was just confusing issues, never mind trying to order parts, so they reverted to calling them Gannets. It was at the same time they stopped calling Wildcats Martlets.

Now to see if I can mount some railguns on an F4U...

[James]

Got the cat a little while ago. Unfortunately, it dropped me down to 5-10 fps.