News Alert - Trouble brewing in Korea

[Aviator32]

How do you think this will end up?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11818005

It looks a bit more serious than the usual squabbling.

I hope China will step in and have a word soon.

[Astoroth]

Not good.

[TARPSBird]

Put this in the context of living next door to a family of a-holes, this is South Korea's position. North Korea threatens and postures, and occasionally engages in limited attacks in an attempt to intimidate South Korea. Considering that SK's industry base and quality of life are so much higher than NK, which is still basically stuck in 1930, the South Koreans have a pretty high tolerance for this kind of thuggish behavior from NK. People who are not that familiar with the area tend to dismiss the South Korean military, but they are highly trained and can provide a forceful response if need be. If this artillery barrage were aimed at Seoul, then we'd probably see the you-know-what really hit the fan.

[Francois]

Looks like you want yet another thread on communism to get closed down ?? :mixedsmi:

[stiz]

i dont know why they continue, would the north even stand a chance? considering china is basicly telling em stop messing about and the south has just about everyone elses support?

[Aviator32]

Looks like you want yet another thread on communism to get closed down ?? :mixedsmi:

That would depend on how you wish to get involved Francois. If you have nothing useful to add then go and do something else today. If you have a problem with me, why not PM me? This is a thread about an important news item - please don't try and derail it.

As I said I hope China move in quickly and put a stop to it, diplomatically and quietly so it disappears back down the list of headlines.

[Naismith]

It is my position that the North Koreans are probably NOT flight sim enthusiasts.

[jmig]

It is my position that the North Koreans are probably NOT flight sim enthusiasts.

:) I agree.

Technically, NewsHawks is supposed to be about flying and simulator news. However, what simulator news we have mostly gets started and discussed in the appropriate simulator forum. Because of that, we do allow a wide latitude towards what is deemed appropriate in NewsHawks.

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[Aviator32]

:) I agree.

Technically, NewsHawks is supposed to be about flying and simulator news. However, what simulator news we have mostly gets started and discussed in the appropriate simulator forum. Because of that, we do allow a wide latitude towards what is deemed appropriate in NewsHawks.

Political, religious, and sexual news stories are generally discouraged. Blatant political, religious, and sexual news stories will be closed or deleted. Sexual jokes will often be moved to the Cantina, despite what the OP thinks.

Threads that take a political turn or degenerate into an argument will usually be closed. Members who can't seem to stop stirring up trouble or picking fights with another member will often find that they can no longer post in threads or send/receive PMs for a period of time. Members who don't learn from their time in Purgatory will find themselves unable to even log onto SOH. They will have been banned.

So, just to be clear is this post acceptable or not? I don't understand. 95% of the threads in Newshawks are not in the least bit related to flying or simulator news and they are let go and with the frequent involvement of a moderator, even seem to be encouraged but a significant world news event like this which was posted not only to inform those who might not be aware of it but also in the hope and expectation that it could be discussed like adults is red flagged.

If Newshawks really is supposed to be about flying or simulator news only then please delete every other posting about dogs and prayers and links to silly photographs and what kind of cars you like etc etc from now on and eventually we will get the message. As it stands it is confusing as to what can be mentioned and what can't. My post had no political overtones at all and there is no reason to think it will turn sour as long as we act like adults about it. We can do that can't we?

[Bushpounder]

China needs to step up and DEMAND that NK STOP any and all actions towards SK. They should align themselves with the rest of the world and aim their guns at the north. If NK hits the south, SK and China will respond militarily. Enough diplomacy. After almost 60 years, it is about time NK is put in their place. NK is only the brave little punks they think they are because they have the support of China. Take China out of the equation, and they won't be the big bad punks they think they are if they are made to stand alone. They are a bug on the wall and they need to be made to realize that. With all the business that the world does with China, China should wake up, or the world needs to find a new country for production. Just my opinion.

Don

[Major_Spittle]

Maybe we can send some Hollywood actors over to show their support for Kim Jong Il.

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[brad kaste]

North Korea isn't called the 'Hermit Kingdom' for nothing. They're very adept in rewriting history for their constituents. If you took a tour through NK's 'war museum' in Pyogyang it would be proclaimed that South Korea and the United States invaded North Korea,....not the other way around.
The poor people of NK,....literally and figuratively,...have been forced to live in a vacuum bubble since the late 40's. Kim Jong-il,....aka 'Dear Leader'...and his military hold complete control. My guess is these continual provocations are to take the pressure off Kim Jong-il and his cronies, in order for his people to focus on something else other than their own personal misery......

[wiltzei]

The poor people of NK,....literally and figuratively,...have been forced to live in a vacuum bubble since the late 40's.

Although I try to keep away from politics, there´s a nice documentary I´d like to share.

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[jmig]

So, just to be clear is this post acceptable or not? I don't understand. 95% of the threads in Newshawks are not in the least bit related to flying or simulator news and they are let go and with the frequent involvement of a moderator, even seem to be encouraged but a significant world news event like this which was posted not only to inform those who might not be aware of it but also in the hope and expectation that it could be discussed like adults is red flagged.

If Newshawks really is supposed to be about flying or simulator news only then please delete every other posting about dogs and prayers and links to silly photographs and what kind of cars you like etc etc from now on and eventually we will get the message. As it stands it is confusing as to what can be mentioned and what can't. My post had no political overtones at all and there is no reason to think it will turn sour as long as we act like adults about it. We can do that can't we?

If I post in it and/or don't closed it, it is acceptable.

[airattackimages]

Put this in the context of living next door to a family of a-holes, this is South Korea's position. North Korea threatens and postures, and occasionally engages in limited attacks in an attempt to intimidate South Korea. Considering that SK's industry base and quality of life are so much higher than NK, which is still basically stuck in 1930, the South Koreans have a pretty high tolerance for this kind of thuggish behavior from NK. People who are not that familiar with the area tend to dismiss the South Korean military, but they are highly trained and can provide a forceful response if need be. If this artillery barrage were aimed at Seoul, then we'd probably see the you-know-what really hit the fan.

Well said. Does kind of make you wonder every time this happens though, if this is the day lil' Kim went nuts.

The normal mode of operation on these little 'publicity stunts' is a small naval engagement where a DPRK patrol boat guns down an ROK zodiac. I don't recall the last arty attack on a populated island, though I don't doubt they've happened.

[Rockster234]

I can bring a flightsimulator to the discussion................. Falcon 4.0.................. Who hasn't been on CAP or CAS over the Yeonpyeong???? If you haven't go get Falcon 4.0 and get the SP additions............. I was constantly getting hacked by N. Korean IP ............due to the ban on Falcon 4.0 For no other reason...........it is a great geography lesson of the peninsula

[airattackimages]

I can bring a flightsimulator to the discussion................. Falcon 4.0.................. Who hasn't been on CAP or CAS over the Yeonpyeong???? If you haven't go get Falcon 4.0 and get the SP additions............. I was constantly getting hacked by N. Korean IP ............due to the ban on Falcon 4.0 For no other reason...........it is a great geography lesson of the peninsula
Haha, I was just thinking about F4 as well. I'm suddenly inspired to take the ole Viper for a spin and do some shootin'.

[Rockster234]

If you haven't heard of Gilman Louie here is a brief link................ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilman_Louie F-16 retail flight simulator was Gilman Louie And the War Gaming engine of Falcon 4 and the Korean peninsula was ..............you fill in the blank Put that in the machine............climb over hostile territory ................and get a launch indicator from a SA-2..............................chaff flare ..............chaff flare................turn and burn........... Then make some comments ....................

[stansdds]

Wonder what F/A-18 Hornet Korea would look like on my current computer?

[magoo]

With a little hindsight it's easy to see that Kim's governing style is hard cast from the old Maoist school of iron fist and total control. Mao made sure he was the total reason of all existance for the Chinese people in his day.

The N.Korean dictator has copied it to the letter, and perhaps clamped down even harder. Mao pushed for infrastrucure growth (successful or not....) and China's independance from other countries.

North Korea has not in exchange for oppression, and has infact created a huge reliance on outside assistance, while at the same time, alienating those from who it seeks help.

Chnia has evolved enormously, almost unrecognizabley in the past decades since Mao....N.Korea has not.

Now Kim finds himself desparately isolated in a world that has (totally) moved on. He's not acknowledging the global social changes around him, and we can only hope for the sake of the common North Korean citizen that Kim's power slides with his health as he enters his later years.(We've seen signs....)

Begone old dinosaur....let your people live, breath, and grow.

[redriver6]

With a little hindsight it's easy to see that Kim's governing style is hard cast from the old Maoist school of iron fist and total control. Mao made sure he was the total reason of all existance for the Chinese people in his day.

The N.Korean dictator has copied it to the letter, and perhaps clamped down even harder. Mao pushed for infrastrucure growth (successful or not....) and China's independance from other countries.

North Korea has not in exchange for oppression, and has infact created a huge reliance on outside assistance, while at the same time, alienating those from who it seeks help.

Chnia has evolved enormously, almost unrecognizabley in the past decades since Mao....N.Korea has not.

Now Kim finds himself desparately isolated in a world that has (totally) moved on. He's not acknowledging the global social changes around him, and we can only hope for the sake of the common North Korean citizen that Kim's power slides with his health as he enters his later years.(We've seen signs....)

Begone old dinosaur....let your people live, breath, and grow.

well said James:salute:

[OBIO]

Ah, heck...just knock the dust and cobwebs off of old Chuck Norris, slap some face paint on him and send him in to Korea to fix things. He was very successful in doing that in 1/2 of his movies.

OBIO

[Bushpounder]

Ah, heck...just knock the dust and cobwebs off of old Chuck Norris, slap some face paint on him and send him in to Korea to fix things. He was very successful in doing that in 1/2 of his movies.

OBIO

He'll have to take Rambo with him too!!! :)

Don

[Roadburner440]

I wound up watching the documentary as I am fascinated by these things. I particularly like looking into the older Soviet cultures, and that documentary strikes a lot of similarities. Although Kim Jong Il takes it to the next level. I really do not know what to feel on the subject as it is their culture. I just feel really bad for the children who really have no choice in the matter, and appear to be in really bad shape in the rural regions.

[Bjoern]

Oh, I can see it already...

North Korea decides it's business time and does march off south in search for a high speed internet connection for their glorious leader. The South Koreans are still busy Zerg rushing the rest of the internet in Starcraft and, following north korean troops real-life Zerg rushing Seoul's leading internet hub and disconnecting everyone to have as much bandwidth as possible for old Kim, a mass nervous breakdown occurs rendering the entire South Korean state unable to resist. Having licked blood, the NKPA presses on south to find more storage capacity for their glorious leader, who by now is busy filling up every single byte of hard drive space in North Korea with porn.
Around the globe, the rest of the internet breaks down because of a massive nerd drama epidemic. Heated arguments among pseudo war experts are producing text walls that are choking every single server mankind has ever built. The most significant arguments pop up in the Falcon 4 community whose mebers just can't seem to decide whether the situation on the real battlefield represents the first, second or third start scenario of F4's main camapign. The intense hammering of fingers on keyboards leads to a worldwide medium sized earthquake confusing the heck out of geologists. This also makes "The end of the world in 2012" believers join the fray who just can't decide if the Mayas were wrong in the end or just trolls officially announcing the end for a later than actual date.
Meanwhile, MacArthur, after having begun to spin in his grave and starting a long drill from the continental United States, emerges in Pusan in a zombiefied state and thus scares the crap out of the North Korean army, driving them back to the chinese border. Kim is still busy watching all that porn and never notices. The Chinese are not amused and chime into the war, sending MacArthur, slightly traumatized, running southward and swimming all the way back to his casket.
The South Koreans, now experiencing a fit of nerd rage because of the loss of their precious multiplayer stats, manages to hold both People's Armies back near the 38th parallel.
The Falcon 4 fans, in a seldom moment of unity, have decided to take the wheel themselves. With stolen south korean F-16s they want to prove that the two and a half year studying of the 800 page manual pays off and thus, huge swarms of Falcons fly northward. Since, however, being a perfect sim pilot does neither automatically grant you a Top Gun trophy nor makes you get a feel for the real deal, you've got a chaos that would send tears to every physicist's eyes. Needless to say, hilarity ensues over the front and while the chinese, north and south korean soldiers around have spiffy time watching the display, one nerd in his Falcon strays off course because he's flying a Block 15 version and is only used to the Block 40 avionics. His unfortunate journey ends for him on page 148 of Falcon 4's manual and for the jet right in Kim Jong Il's bedroom while the Great Leader himself was just really liking the achievements of the capitalist world in the porn branch.
The north koreans, not seeing a point in living in a communist state without their glorious boss, immediately surrender under the condition of a massive banquet sponsored by the south korean branch of McDonald's. The Chinese are finally glad to be rid of that whiny, demanding neighbour and go home, while the remaining Falcon 4 users land their planes and take two seconds for mourning their fallen comerades before logging on the first available PC and claming *they* won the war by their sheer mastery of the sim.
The korean people, finally united, celebrate with the second biggest party (in terms of alcohol consumed) after the german reunification. Since fireworks were scarce and forbidden for their cheery, capitalist, coloring in North Korea, the formerly oppressed farmers just take everything they can find and blow it up. Hence, the whole korean peninsular experiences the most intense fireworks ever all the while meteologists all over the world put mushroom clouds from the "very rare" category into the "common occurrence" one.
The rest of the world didn't notice anything due to the massive global internet outtage and when billions of frustrated people on the planet wake up the next day, they awake in a better and happier world.

The end.

[Naki]

:icon_lol:

[Rockster234]

diddo ..........what he said

So check out Falcon 4.0 allied force if you havent already.......amazing flight sim .............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMC7CgTVug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMC7CgTVug)

[redriver6]

diddo ..........what he said

So check out Falcon 4.0 allied force if you havent already.......amazing flight sim .............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMC7CgTVug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMC7CgTVug)

you'll be happy to know that you are responsible for a new sale of Falcon 4.0 Allied Force..

via direct2drive.:salute:

[Naismith]

you'll be happy to know that you are responsible for a new sale of Falcon 4.0 Allied Force..

via direct2drive.:salute:


Trouble is it sucks visually nowadays in Win7. Otherwise it was the best military sim ever.

[deathfromafar]

As of right now, the USS George Washington w/ Battle Group are on the way to the Korean peninsula.

[demorier]

Does this mean my next Korean made electrical appliance is going to cost more ?

[Allen]

Does this mean my next Korean made electrical appliance is going to cost more ?

I don't know yet...

[wombat666]

Does this mean my next Korean made electrical appliance is going to cost more ?

Probably, but of course it will only last half the life of the previous one.
:173go1:

[Naismith]

As of right now, the USS George Washington w/ Battle Group are on the way to the Korean peninsula.

This is a long planned exercise not a reaction to recent events.

[Allen]

The tea is still brewing.

Word has it NK has put out there SA-2s.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101128/wl_nm/us_korea_north1

[deathfromafar]

This is a long planned exercise not a reaction to recent events.

It's one of those yes/no scenarios. They moved them up well early prior to the planned start of the exercises. It's not the first time they have shuffled to schedule on planned exercises when the DPRK acted up. I remember back in the 80's when my Brigade was launched out on C-141B's non-stop to SKorea ending up at Camp Humphreys after we landed at Kunsan. One time announced the other time on a rather low key Alert Rapid Deployment. One time after a bunch of NK tunnels were discovered under the DMZ. That whole place has a very surreal atmosphere.



Word has it NK has put out there SA-2s.

That ain't all. Silkworm & Sunburn launchers as well as hundreds of mobile Scud launchers clattering away over the 38thP.

[Allen]

That ain't all. Silkworm & Sunburn launchers as well as hundreds of mobile Scud launchers clattering away over the 38thP.

I didn't see kitchen sink on that list yet...:jump:

[Bone]

you'll be happy to know that you are responsible for a new sale of Falcon 4.0 Allied Force..

via direct2drive.:salute:

I've thought about getting F_4.0 for a few years, and other than the obvious low res visuals because of it's age, how are the flight dynamics?

[redriver6]

well i'm no expert on flight dynamics and i haven't had that much time to really explore the entire sim yet but my first impressions are that its on a level with most of the other filight simulator jet fighters that i've flown.

i had 4.0 when it first came out but this updated version improves graphics etc...

it is still a dated older sim for sure but its a true simulator...you have to learn all the weapons/flight systems to be any good at it.

i really like the cockpit...don't have any screenshots of it but you really feel like you are sitting in the cockpit of an F-16....IMHO.

[Bjoern]

...how are the flight dynamics?

Not bad I say.

Then again, the last I've seen of that sim was during SP2 or SP3 days.

[Rockster234]

Falcon 4.0 .......be it Open Falcon, Free Falcon, or Allied force...............

Had a great tactical reference and Tactical Map...............of North and South Korea and the military forces..

However, ........

it is old Tactical systems..................and dated tactical reference......

If you were to fly into North Korea ....worried about an SA-2......guess again

Who know what surface to air capability they have ????

Still it gets you into the idea of what is going on ....and political/geography lesson

Glad to see your not totally dissappointed int Falcon 4.0 Allied force............

What I like about old games...................bargin prices (so they aren't perfect), appreciation for the people who coded and researched the theater or operation, and 3 dimensional trip into that theater (so its a little cubic/pixelish............its a compter animation)

So to tie back to this thread............Korea .......trouble brewing..........if you haven't tried Falcon 4.0 ...get in the game and see what
you can learn (at least from the desktop)