Yo, Dutch Simmers !

[Francois]

I really liked our little get together at Overloon in February and was wondering if we're planning for a similar 'meet' like end of November maybe? Starting off the 'painting season' as it were ?

My agenda is already rather full, so I thought to inquire rather sooner than later ;-)

Francois.

[Cees Donker]

What a good idea François! But then at another museum!

Cees

[Ferry_vO]

Sure, why not?

The only thing in my agenda for November is the FS Weekend on the 6th and 7th.

:)

[jankees]

and that will be the 7th for me..

[Francois]

Cool, we'll be back from the Sates on Nov 9th. All free after that.

And yes, another museum would be good. Any proposals?

[robcap]

Indeed, Overloon was a great Dutch SOH meet:wiggle:

I'm at the FS weekend (as usual, I'd say:kilroy:)
So we'll meet there (maybe not all of us)

Soesterberg is supposed to be a nice place, I've never been there.

Cheers, Rob

[jankees]

Soesterberg is nice indeed, I have been there once with my daughter Catalina.
Her namesake wasn't there at the time, she wanted her money back...
Closer to home, the Atlantikwall (http://www.atlantikwall.nl/) museum in Noordwijk?

[robcap]

Nice choice, JAn Kees!
We'll wait for more ideas, and start a poll:ernae:

R.

[Ferry_vO]

No Fs Add-on in Lelystad this year..? :jawdrop:

Soesterberg isn't bad, but they've already started to break up the aircraft (At least the ones outside) and move them to be repainted for the new meseum that will open in 2013.

[Francois]

De Atlantikwal is closed around that time, I believe. Would have been nice!

And no, no FSAddon this year. That weekend we're leaving San Francisco and I couldn't plan things differently. Alas !

Airborne Museum Oosterbeek? Is vernieuwd en ben ik al jaren niet meer geweest.

[Francois]

By the way , nice website here: http://www.oorlogsmusea.nl/country.asp?countryid=1&action=search

[jankees]

Legermuseum Delft? Is ook leuk..

[Francois]

Ja, óók een goeie !! :-)

[Ferry_vO]

Airborne Museum Oosterbeek? Is vernieuwd en ben ik al jaren niet meer geweest.

Not worth the 9 euro's they ask for it IMHO..

But we could combine it with the museum of Deelen AB (http://www.museumvlbdeelen.nl/) and other newarby Market Garden sites.

Bevrijdende vleugels (http://www.wingsofliberation.nl/) in Best near Eindhoven isn't bad either.

[hae5904]

Lol.....ik zie de afstand alsmaar groter worden. :costum:

Maar geen punt hoor!!

[robcap]

But we could combine it with the museum of Deelen AB (http://www.museumvlbdeelen.nl/) and other newarby Market Garden sites.
Hmm, I like that, you being the tour guide, and taking us to the Band of Brothers site, where they stopped the SS at the dike.

R.

[Warrant]

Great idea. Overloon was great, but for this edition my vote goes to Soesterberg.

[Ferry_vO]

Another option to keep in mind is the 'Fliegerhorst Deelen' excursie with the DRG: http://www.fliegerhorstdeelen.nl/

There's one on 13/11 and one on 11/12. Done it a few years ago; very interesting and it includes a tour of the Luftwaffe command bunker 'Diogenes'.

[Warrant]

Another option to keep in mind is the 'Fliegerhorst Deelen' excursie with the DRG: http://www.fliegerhorstdeelen.nl/

There's one on 13/11 and one on 11/12. Done it a few years ago; very interesting and it includes a tour of the Luftwaffe command bunker 'Diogenes'.

Sounds like a good plan too. Deelen was my first operational airbase after converting from army to air force.

[Ferry_vO]

Well you don't get to go to the base, but you will visit some of the remains of the former Fliegerhorst which was much larger than the current base. Apart from the bunker you'll get to see former hangars, the remise for the 'bomb train' that carried ammo to the base, and the Heidekamp including the home of NJG.1 founder Wolfgang Falcke. After the tour you get a free ticket for either the Deelen or Schaarsbergen museum.

Having said that, it might be wiser to take such a tour next year in the summer; the weather usually isn't that great in November to be outside most of the day.

[huub vink]

For me the first opportunity would be the 20th of November, so I won't be able to join a tour at the 13th of November. I received my military training at the KKSL in Schaarsbergen. We slept in buildings which were built by the Germans as part of airfield. I never knew Diogenes was that close!

Rob, for your information Deelen and Oosterbeek are on the North side of the river Rhine. The screaming Eagles from the Band of Brothers never came that far north! ;)

Huub

[VinFlyer]

I'd love to join you guys on this. But I start my new job in November, so not much free time during the week. But if the meet will be at Soesterberg I might be able to join for a short time as the MLM is the place I'm going to work :jump:

[Warrant]

.....as the MLM is the place I'm going to work :jump:

Wow, are you? That's great to hear (could/should have had a hint looking at your avatar).
Combine hobby with profession.
Congrats!

[Ferry_vO]

Rob, for your information Deelen and Oosterbeek are on the North side of the river Rhine. The screaming Eagles from the Band of Brothers never came that far north! ;)


The 101st came as for as the south side of the Rhine Huub. The knew it as 'the island, we call it 'de betuwe'. The dyke Rob mentions (As seen in the episode 'Crossroads' of the Band of Brothers series) is only about 8 kilometers west of Oosterbeek but on the other side of the Rhine (Opposite Renkum).

[robcap]

I knew that Huub, and since Ferry will be taking us on a tour (:kilroy:), we only needed 2 bridges to cross, one going south from Oosterneek, and one going back north again (the one that was missed back then.....)

The poll is getting nearer, we have a few options already.

[huub vink]

I knew that Huub

I didn't really doubt that, but I was thinking about the combination with Deelen AB, which would make it quite a drive.

Cheers,
Huub

[Ferry_vO]

.....:kilroy: so..... Any decision made yet?

So far we have these options:

1)MLM Soesterberg (http://www.militaireluchtvaartmuseum.nl/) (Closed on Saturdays)
2)Legermuseum Delft (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/www.legermuseum.nl/get?site=legermuseum.nl)
3)Bevrijdende Vleugels Best (http://www.wingsofliberation.nl/)
4)Arnhem (http://www.arnhemsoorlogsmuseum.com/)/Oosterbeek (http://www.airbornemuseum.com/)/Deelen (http://www.museumvlbdeelen.nl/) various locations and museums

And I'll add #5: Early Birds/Vroege Vogels Lelystad (http://www.vroegevogels.org/).

So please add your vote and your preferred date(s)!

[huub vink]

My vote goes for the MLM as they serve good coffee there. I have no preference for a specific date as I will most definitely have to shift something else.

Cheers,
Huub

[Francois]

1 - MLM, 2 - Delft.

Datum ANY TIME na Nov 11 en niet op 26 :-)


Groetjes uit een heet en stomend Aruba !

[jankees]

1 - MLM, 2 - Delft.

Datum ANY TIME na Nov 11



same for me

cheers from a sunny Voorhout

[robcap]

1 - MLM, 2 - Delft.
Same for me.
From a sunny Randmeren (although back home again)

Now we must decide on a date.

R.

[Ferry_vO]

So the MLM it is! :)

Possible dates: Sunday November 14th, 21st or the 28th? The museum is closed on Saturdays and on Sundays it is open from 12:00 till 16:30.

Any of the three days above is fine with me.

[Ferry_vO]

Hellooo.....?? Anybody still in here....?? :kilroy:

Would you guys mind picking a date...? It makes organising a meet so much easier if we know when to show up.. :icon_lol:

[robcap]

21 nov = OK

[huub vink]

I'm still here :kilroy:

I can still remember the last time we visited the MLM together...... it seems we will have the same number of participants (at least when you bring your sister along.)

For me the 14th an 21st are the best dates.



Cheers,
Huub

[jankees]

all dates are still available as far as I can see

21e doen?

Jan Kees

[Ferry_vO]

I can still remember the last time we visited the MLM together...... it seems we will have the same number of participants

Looks like we just doubled the SOH participation Huub!

The 21st is fine with me too.

[Warrant]

21 nov, ik zet 'm in de agenda.
I'll be there.

[Francois]

Just returned from 5 weeks traveling and lost track of a lot of things .

So Sunday Nov 21, Soesterberg, 12:00 it is ?

[Ferry_vO]

So Sunday Nov 21, Soesterberg, 12:00 it is ?

Yep! :salute:

Where do we meet up?

[Francois]

Yep! :salute:

Where do we meet up?


Museum Cafe ?

[robcap]

Museum Cafe ?
I'll be there

[jankees]

me too!

[Maarten -]

Hi guys,

So will I.

C-ya,
Maarten

[jankees]

Huub, zal ik je ophalen?

[Ferry_vO]

See you guys on Sunday then!

:wiggle:

[Francois]

".... I love it when a Plan comes together....." :icon_lol:

[huub vink]

Huub, zal ik je ophalen?

Het is een van de zeldzame dagen dat ik de auto kan gebruiken, dus kan je er maar beter van genieten. Ik pik je om 10:45 uur op bij het station.

It is one of the rare occasions I can use the car, so you better enjoy it. I will collect you at 10:45 AM at the parking from Voorhout station.

Met groet/Cheers,
Huub

[VinFlyer]

Hmmm, why am I reading this just now :confused: Must have missed it. But it's tomorrow? I'd like to join but it's a bit last minute. I'll see if I can come up with a couple of free hours, at least it's only a couple of minutes drive for me :-D

[Francois]

Lets see..... 23:15..... yes, it is tomorrow !!! :-)

[Maarten -]

Wow! That was a great meeting of the Dutch branch of SOH. In the perfect environment of the Dutch Military Air Museum (MLM).
François, Vincent, Huub, Ferry, Jan Kees, Rob, it was great to see you (again).

Cheers,
Maarten

[Francois]

Yep, that was fun again... and interesting too !
Thanks for coming - even the long way 'round for some !

Here's the group - including yours truly:

http://europerides.smugmug.com/Airplanes/Soesterberg-November-2010/SCP9173/1099308156_cTffM-L.jpg

And here the picture including our young participants !

http://europerides.smugmug.com/Airplanes/Soesterberg-November-2010/SCP9176/1099308173_fcc7b-L.jpg

Till next time !

[robcap]

That pic came out OK, :kilroy:
It was nice meeting you all again, plenty ideas for the comping SOH meetings, here in NL.
I'm sure we can get more people to attend!

R.

[Francois]

Yes ! :-)

More pictures here: http://europerides.smugmug.com/Airplanes/Soesterberg-November-2010/14749993_XYTS3

[jankees]

Nice pics, thanks for those!

small quiz for all the non-dutch simmers, who knows what aircraft this is? (nr.11 of Francois'pics)

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[huub vink]

Another year older! Actually we missed quite a few members this time. I hope to see you all next year!

Huub

[grunau_baby]

small quiz for all the non-dutch simmers, who knows what aircraft this is? (nr.11 of Francois'pics)Been there, so I won´t tell (one of my favourites anyway, got a scale model on my shelf...:monkies:

Looks like you had some fun at this truely great place!

Sadly I couldn´t make it this thime, this is the busiest time in the year for me (I´m constantly at work or at home with an overworked bad temper:banghead:).

It occurs to me that you dutch like to meet in bad-weather seasons, so I have the proposal to maybe chose the summer for next time! Well, just an idea...

Best wishes!:wavey:
Alex

[Warrant]

Another year older! Actually we missed quite a few members this time. I hope to see you all next year!

Huub

Was not there because we are currently studying the effects of the extremely heavy defense cutbacks and the personnel reductions (at least one out of seven! has to go) in the Dutch Armed Forces. Thank you, selfish ignorant bankers responsible for igniting the financial crisis! (hope you :barf: are happy):toilet::a1451::banghead::angryfir:

Yet another political game of Russian roulette regarding Dutch military personnel (six chambers empty/safe, seventh is fired)!

Besides that, i enjoyed the pic posted and hope ya'll had a great time. Next time i'll be there again :mixedsmi:

[Francois]

Hope to see you guys next time again !

As for the bad weather season.... many of us are abroad in the good weather seasons - I know I am :-)
But we can always try..... now we have winter to cope with first !

[VinFlyer]

That was a nice Sunday afternoon at the for me so familiar MLM :) Nice meeting you all and looking forward to the next one.
Francois, nice pictures. But looking at the last one I can't remember it being that cold :icon_lol:

[SADT]

^^^^^^ Dornier Do.24!

It was restored so well that if required, it could be made airworthy relatively quickly!

[huub vink]

Was not there because we are currently studying the effects of the extremely heavy defense cutbacks and the personnel reductions (at least one out of seven! has to go) in the Dutch Armed Forces.

I saw the announcement by Hans Hille on television Rene. So far it is just an announcement and the actual reductions could still be less. The armed forces have been shrinking for the four decades already, so it didn't really come as a surprise to me.

As there is currently no clear enemy and a huge lack of money, measures could be expected.

I really hope you will be on the good side of the cut.

Take care,
Huub


^^^^^^ Dornier Do.24!

Very good SADT, it is a very impressive machine!

[Warrant]

Hi Huub,


So far it is just an announcement and the actual reductions could still be less. The armed forces have been shrinking for the four decades already, so it didn't really come as a surprise to me. As there is currently no clear enemy and a huge lack of money, measures could be expected.


Sorry, mate. I see that from a different perspective, and from the inside of the funnel :salute:. But then again, this is not the thread or place to start a discussion about this subject (my wrong :redface:).


I really hope you will be on the good side of the cut.

Thanks, i appreciate that! :wavey:


Great to see that Dornier Do-24 restored. I must visit the Soesterberg Museum soon. Been stationed @ Soesterberg AFB between 1996-1998, and had billiting right next to the museum :ernae:

[Ferry_vO]

Missed you last Sunday, René, but I understand that your job is way more important to you! We'll see you next time! :salute:


Great to see that Dornier Do-24 restored.

Don't think they've done anything to it, since it's property of the Hendon museum and on loan for twenty years (IIRC).