T-33A

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[skyblazer3]

Great Shots Noddy.

Does anyone have an issue with the T-33 crashing one's sim? The aircraft works great for me, but when I go to switch aircraft or close my sim I get a fatal FSX error.

I suspect it has to do with gauges, I've gone through and removed all gauges, and the gauges one by one. If I have no gauges in the aircraft, it works fine. If one gauge is present (does not matter which gauge) I get a fatal error when switching aircraft. Not a terrible problem, but annoying.

Any Ideas?

Chris

[Radioman123]

Great Shots Noddy.

Does anyone have an issue with the T-33 crashing one's sim? The aircraft works great for me, but when I go to switch aircraft or close my sim I get a fatal FSX error.

I suspect it has to do with gauges, I've gone through and removed all gauges, and the gauges one by one. If I have no gauges in the aircraft, it works fine. If one gauge is present (does not matter which gauge) I get a fatal error when switching aircraft. Not a terrible problem, but annoying.

Any Ideas?

Chris

Chris

It turns out that not all the gauges are compatible with FSX and FSX-A (which is what I use.). I ended up editing the PANEL.CFG file and removing all of the entries from t33_xx from the main panel window and VC windows. If you have the section 8 F-86, that airplane is from the same era and the gauges will work as replacements. You will need a program such as FS Panel Studio to do this in an efficient manner. This becomes basic aircraft hacking.

Good luck

[Bone]

Great Shots Noddy.

Does anyone have an issue with the T-33 crashing one's sim? The aircraft works great for me, but when I go to switch aircraft or close my sim I get a fatal FSX error.

I suspect it has to do with gauges, I've gone through and removed all gauges, and the gauges one by one. If I have no gauges in the aircraft, it works fine. If one gauge is present (does not matter which gauge) I get a fatal error when switching aircraft. Not a terrible problem, but annoying.

Any Ideas?

Chris

This happens to me also. And, they are nice shots at that.

[Radioman123]

I just tried the T-33 with the replacement gauge file using the S8 F-86 gauges. No problem with flying and switching aircraft.

My particular panel.cfg file is which is not the original that was with Piget's aircraft is.



// This Panel.cfg file created by FS Panel Studio panel editor utility - http://www.fspanelstudio.com
// Built Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 15:38 FSPS Build:20340

[Window Titles]
Window00=Main
Window01=Left_Console
Window02=Right_Console
Window03=GPS
Window04=Sub_Panel
Window05=MINIPANEL




//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window00]
file=t33_panel.bmp
size_mm=1024
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=7
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

gauge00=magnetic_compass!Magnetic-Compass, 937,397,103,103
gauge01=SimIcons1024!ATC Icon, 142,631,21,21
gauge02=SimIcons1024!GPS Icon, 142,652,21,21
gauge03=SimIcons1024!Map Icon, 142,673,21,21
gauge04=SimIcons1024!Throttle Quadrant Prop Icon, 142,694,21,21
gauge05=SimIcons1024!Electrical Panel Icon, 142,715,21,21
gauge06=SimIcons1024!Other Controls Icon, 142,736,21,21
gauge07=SF8_F86!Attitude, 281,513,126,125
gauge08=SF8_F86!TurnBankRMI, 149,511,126,125
gauge09=SF8_F86!VerticalSpeed, 301,640,126,125
gauge10=SF8_F86!Airspeed, 167,638,126,125
gauge11=SF8_F86!Altimeter, 12,637,126,128
gauge12=SF8_F86!GasTemp, 590,641,126,125
gauge13=SF8_F86!PercentRPM, 718,641,126,125
gauge14=SF8_F86!FuelFlow, 849, 651 ,103,102
gauge15=SF8_F86!VORLOC, 762,525,111,111
gauge16=SF8_F86!GyroCompass, 611,524,111,111
gauge17=SF8_F86!Clock, 616,455,63,62
gauge18=SF8_F86!HydPress, 711,475,63,62
gauge19=SF8_F86!PlateInstructions, 191,445,158,65


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window01]
file=t33_l_con.bmp
size_mm=191
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=1
visible=0
ident=THROTTLE_PANEL
window_size= 0.182, 0.785
window_pos= 0.010, 0.200

gauge00=SimIcons1024!Throttle Quadrant Prop Icon, 165,7,19,19
gauge01=t33_flap_lever!t33_flap_lever, 117,162,67
gauge02=Kingair_Radio!Com1, 26,447,84,92
gauge03=Kingair_Radio!Nav1, 26,355,84,92
gauge04=Kingair_Radio!Xpndr, 26,263,84,92
gauge05=Kingair_Radio!Adf, 26,171,84,92
gauge06=t33_throttle!t33_throttle, 44,8,112
gauge07=bendix_king_radio!Bendix-King Radio DME, 1,546,184


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window02]
file=t33_r_con.bmp
size_mm=191
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=1
visible=0
ident=125
window_size= 0.186, 0.312
window_pos= 0.810, 0.670

gauge00=t33_nav_light!t33_nav_light, 46,162,33,47
gauge01=t33_beacon!t33_beacon, 13,162,33,47
gauge02=t33_land_light!t33_land_light, 113,162,33,47
gauge03=t33_taxi_light!t33_taxi_light, 80,162,33,47
gauge04=t33_panel_light!t33_panel_light, 147,162,33,47
gauge05=t33_battery!t33_battery, 4,9,33,47
gauge06=t33_auto_start!t33_auto_start, 37,9,33,47
gauge07=t33_pitot_heat!t33_pitot_heat, 127,9,33,47
gauge08=SimIcons1024!Electrical Panel Icon, 163,5,19,19
gauge09=t33_canopy_switch!t33_canopy_switch, 85,66,100,89
gauge10=t33_gen!t33_gen, 70,9,33,47
gauge11=t33_fuel_pump!t33_fuel_pump, 1,81,33,47


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=456,378
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=8
visible=0
ident=GPS_PANEL
window_size= 0.500, 0.500
window_pos= 0.500, 0.490

gauge00=fs9gps!gps_500, 0,0,456,378


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window04]
file=t33_subpnl.bmp
size_mm=191
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=1
visible=0
ident=150
window_size= 0.860, 0.245
window_pos= 0.070, 0.010

gauge00=SimIcons1024!Other Controls Icon, 173,2,6,6
gauge01=t33_oil_pressure!t33_oil_pressure, 150,1,17,17
gauge02=t33_g_meter!t33_g_meter, 150,20,17,17
gauge03=t33_hyd_press!t33_hyd_press, 80,20,17,17
gauge04=t33_fuel_center!t33_fuel_center, 102,1,17,17
gauge05=pc21_park_brk!pc21_park_brk, 92,-1,9,22
gauge06=t33_fuel_l_r!t33_fuel_l_r, 97,20,17,17
gauge07=t33_flap_position!t33_flap_position, 26,20,17,18
gauge08=t33_trim_ctr!t33_trim_ctr, 54,2,12,12
gauge09=t33_low_fuel!t33_low_fuel, 121,2,12,12
gauge10=t33_trim_ind!t33_trim_ind, 26,1,17,18
gauge11=t33_clock, 74,1,17,17
gauge12=t33_amps!t33_amps, 136,1,12,12


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window05]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=828,150
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=7
visible=1
ident=MINIPANEL
window_size= 0.809, 0.195
window_pos= 0.096, 0.805
child_3d=1

gauge00=t33_airspeed!t33_airspeed, 20,12,117,117
gauge01=t33_turn_indicator!t33_turn_indicator, 159,12,117,117
gauge02=t33_attitude!t33_attitude, 300,12,117,117
gauge03=t33_altimeter!t33_altimeter, 565,12,117,117
gauge04=t33_vert_speed!t33_vert_speed, 702,12,117,117
gauge05=t33_adf_slaved, 434,12,117,117


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$vc_01.bmp

gauge00=SF8_F86!PlateInstructions, 136,21,84,36
gauge01=SF8_F86!TurnBankRMI, 103,62,70,70
gauge02=SF8_F86!Attitude, 177,62,70,70
gauge03=SF8_F86!Altimeter, 33,143,70,70
gauge04=SF8_F86!Airspeed, 103,143,70,70
gauge05=SF8_F86!VerticalSpeed, 174,143,70,70


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit02]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$vc_02.bmp

gauge00=SF8_F86!GyroCompass, 9,62,70,70
gauge01=SF8_F86!VORLOC, 86,62,70,70
gauge02=SF8_F86!GasTemp, 10,143,70,70
gauge03=SF8_F86!PercentRPM, 82,143,70,70
gauge04=SF8_F86!FuelFlow, 154,145,65,66
gauge05=SF8_F86!Clock, 5,17,34,34
gauge06=SF8_F86!HydPress, 64,27,34,34


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$vc_03.bmp

gauge00=t33_flap_position!t33_flap_position, 54,79,78,78
gauge01=t33_trim_ctr!t33_trim_ctr, 186,3,59,58
gauge02=t33_trim_ind!t33_trim_ind, 55,1,78,78


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$vc_04.bmp

gauge00=t33_g_meter!t33_g_meter, 124,80,77,78
gauge01=t33_oil_pressure!t33_oil_pressure, 124,3,77,78
gauge02=t33_low_fuel!t33_low_fuel, 1,5,59
gauge03=t33_amps!t33_amps, 65,4,55


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit05]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$vc_05.bmp

gauge00=t33_hyd_press!t33_hyd_press, 22,81,78,78
gauge01=t33_fuel_center!t33_fuel_center, 175,3,78,78
gauge02=t33_fuel_l_r!t33_fuel_l_r, 154,81,78,78
gauge03=t33_park_brake_vc!t33_park_brake_vc, 102,23,50
gauge04=t33_clock, 3,1,78,78


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit06]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=256,256
texture=$vc_06.bmp

gauge00=magnetic_compass!Magnetic-Compass, 14,9,224


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit07]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$vc_07.bmp

gauge00=Kingair_Radio!Adf, 133,207,42,46
gauge01=Kingair_Radio!Nav1, 48,207,42,46
gauge02=Kingair_Radio!Com1, 6,207,42,46
gauge03=Kingair_Radio!Xpndr, 91,207,42,46
gauge04=t33_flap_lever_vc!t33_flap_lever_vc, 184,224,52
gauge05=bendix_king_radio!Bendix-King Radio DME, 184,208,58


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit08]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$vc_08.bmp

gauge00=t33_beacon!t33_beacon, 157,224,19,27
gauge01=t33_nav_light!t33_nav_light, 176,224,19,27
gauge02=t33_land_light!t33_land_light, 196,224,19,27
gauge03=t33_taxi_light!t33_taxi_light, 215,224,19,27
gauge04=t33_panel_light!t33_panel_light, 235,224,19,27
gauge05=t33_auto_start!t33_auto_start, 27,223,19,27
gauge06=t33_battery!t33_battery, 8,223,19,27
gauge07=t33_gen!t33_gen, 46,223,19,27
gauge08=t33_fuel_pump!t33_fuel_pump, 85,223,19,27


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit09]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=0
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$vc_09.bmp

gauge00=t33_canopy_switch!t33_canopy_switch, 80,0,100,90



[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=60,21,21
Luminous=206,208,176

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8191
SIZE_Y=4010

[Radioman123]

Chris

Your screenies are showing some good texture files. Is there a place to get them. I dad used to fly T-33's in SAC.

Radioman123

[skyblazer3]

Radioman,

Thanks for the updated CFG, I will add the SF8 gauge .CAB to the panel folder and update.... I'm just glad that I'm not alone in this problem.

Chris

EDIT: Still had the crash with the new CFG.... then I nixed all the T-33 gauges and it works fine. I'll go back and replace what is appropriate with SF8 gauges. Thanks for the help!

[falcon409]

This is really odd, I did replace a few gauges that were '98 ver gauges and not compatible with FSX, but the rest are the originals. Even before I changed those out it loaded and flew fine, just that those gauges didn't show. I'm running FSX/Accel SP2.

[Radioman123]

There is something in the T-33 gauges. I have not debugged them to find out. I removed them from my gauge directory on FSX-A and things tend to work okay.

Regards

Radioman123

[Bone]

The Alphasim F-89 has just about all of these guages, and the A.S. F-86 does too. If you have these models, the guage quality is far superior to that of the freeware Section 8 F-86. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Section 8 bird, because it's a nice model....but the AS guages are way better.


FALCON: Piglets original guages with the guage dll in the main folder isn't the problem, they work fine. The issue with guages I had stem from the FSX update pack USMCT33B, that has the four Marine Corps liveries.

[falcon409]

. . . . .FALCON: Piglets original guages with the guage dll in the main folder isn't the problem, they work fine. The issue with guages I had stem from the FSX update pack USMCT33B, that has the four Marine Corps liveries.
ahh, ok I didn't download that. Thank you sir.:salute:

[skyblazer3]

That seems to make sense. I grabbed the USMC update (which has an incredible flight dynamic) and I've had these problems since then. What confuses me is that the USMC version didn't come with gauges, I had to download a T-33 package on flightsim.com labeled T-33_ppp.zip. I then grabbed the gauges from that file. Is that file not Conrad's original?

Could it have something to do with the fact that I'm running windows 7?

I'll look into the F-89 gauges. I love the SF8 gauges, but I stare intently at them about 95% of my time in this sim.... would be nice to have slightly different gauges on the T-bird.

[Bone]

That seems to make sense. I grabbed the USMC update (which has an incredible flight dynamic) and I've had these problems since then. What confuses me is that the USMC version didn't come with gauges, I had to download a T-33 package on flightsim.com labeled T-33_ppp.zip. I then grabbed the gauges from that file. Is that file not Conrad's original?

Could it have something to do with the fact that I'm running windows 7?

I'll look into the F-89 gauges. I love the SF8 gauges, but I stare intently at them about 95% of my time in this sim.... would be nice to have slightly different gauges on the T-bird.

Yeah, there is an update pack with the paints and the guages all wrapped up in one. I'm still running Vista 32 bit and I get the crash, so it's not a W7 issue.