Aircraft the make you feel "there" [Archive]

SADT

July 14th, 2010, 23:30

Hi,

This is a poll for you to tell us what flight sim aircraft make you feel as if you are really "there" or as if you were really in that aircraft.

My Choices:
JF/Aeroplane Heaven Wildcat & Martlet
Real Air Scout (Had to stop using it due to Win7 config panel problems)

wiltzei

July 14th, 2010, 23:47

My opinion is that realistic looking virtual cockpit, diverse soundset, somewhat accurate systems modeling and believable flight dynamics are key points.

Therefore I answer, A2A Cub/Fortress, RealAir Duke, PMDG 744, VRS Superbug. Of course there are others but those I mentioned are the planes I spend most of my time in.

falcon409

July 15th, 2010, 00:09

The Iris DA42 Twinstar, Iris F-16D, Lionheart's Pasped Skylark and about half a dozen others, lol. Hard to tie it down to one for sure.:salute:

peter12213

July 15th, 2010, 00:17

Razbam A6E
Razbam F102
Sibwings bird dog / Safir
Nemeth ka26 "Hoodlum" (old but I still fly it)
Iris F16
Iris Vulcan
A2A Bf109E
The new Just Flight stuff
Many Many More too!

I forgot about Vertigo Studios, I fly all there aircraft too!

Cleartheprop

July 15th, 2010, 00:27

Hard to reduce to one aircraft; I would say :

Classics Hangar FW190
Vertigo Studios P-36
Lionheart Creations Skylark
FSAddon Gloster Gladiator
Realair Spitfire
Samdim Design Cap-10
Anthony Lynch Tigermoth
Flight Replicas Supercub
Lotus L-39
Feelthere Emb145
Carenado Bonanza
...and I miss many others.

Pips

July 15th, 2010, 01:27

For me it's the sensation of real seat-of-the-pants flying, the ground dropping away on take-off, the effect of wind on the aeroplane, the difficulty of just staying airborne.

And that spells Vintage aeroplanes. :)

Specifically, my favourites (at present) are Dirk Stuck's Curtiss Jenny, Jean-Michel Castagne's Bleriot XI, and the reasonably sophisticated (by comparison) Tiger Moth by Anthony Lynch

Just getting to the destination, and landing safely, is a real treat. :)

Capt.Vaughn

July 15th, 2010, 02:29

A2A AccuSim B17g no doubt

CheckSix

July 15th, 2010, 04:18

RealAir Spit and SF-260, Cloud9's F-104, Alpha Simulations EE Lightnings (with modded / corrected FDE), RAZBAM's F-102, Alpha Simulations F-105D last but not least Dave Garwood's Hunters.

txnetcop

July 15th, 2010, 04:25

A2A B-17G, A2A P-47, A2A Boeing 377, A2A P-40(it just needs accusim)

Bill's Paspard Skylark, EPIC LT, JU-33, Bellanca Cruisematers

Tim's PC-7, Mooney Mite, OV-10, AN-2 (with the right sound package)and A-1H Skyraider,

Flight Replica's L-4s, Me 262, Super Cub (sweet)

Carenado C-185 and 206

Eaglesoft Piper Commance (have flown a few in RL as co-pilot)

REAL Air Scout

Vertigo Studio P-36

Classic Hanger FW190

Samdim Design Cap-10 (amazing)

CaptainSim 727- have flown the Boeing simulator

MAAM DC-3, TBM Avenger

Jan's F-86 (SWEEEEEEET)

Warwick Carter T-6

Jesse's (SKYUNLIMITED) T-6 Texan, P-38 (His T-6s awesome-have been in several in RL)

Anthony's Tigermoth (latest version)

I have to add this: this aircraft are made even more realistic with PNW by FTX

I'm sure I left a few out and for those devs I apologize. We have so many incredibly accurate (for a cheap simulator) aircraft and the immersion factor is very high in most nowadays! Mine is based on my every month flyers. Obviously I can't afford to buy every aircraft out there now.
Ted

Navy Chief

July 15th, 2010, 04:33

Ron's (RAZBAM) A-4 Skyhawk series is still one of my favorites!!!!

So much fun!

NC

CybrSlydr

July 15th, 2010, 05:02

The two planes that I always enjoyed flying were the RealAir Spitfire XIV and the Iris F-5s.

Absolutely loved flying with them, so much fun.

roger-wilco-66

July 15th, 2010, 05:06

For many years, this was the MAAM Sim R4D for me.
Now, for me, A2a products like the B17g are on that throne, as well as Vertigos SBD.

Generally, "I'm there" when the flight model is not over simplified, e.g. when you really have to stay inside the typical performance envelope of the aircraft and things like prop torque and aerodynamic effects are properly modeled, and the mechanical systems are simulated, also with a damage profile (engines!).
Another source of immersion for me is the noise, which is way too simple in most FS aircraft. A2A does a good job here, with a diffferent wind noise when you open the cockpit for example, and all kinds of mechanical sounds from the engine(s) and systems.
Another effect I miss from the old days of flying Janes WW2 Fighters is the sound effect when pulling G's, remember that? The more you pulled, the flatter the sound got, like reducing bass and treble from the sound spectrum. One also heard noises the airframe made under stress, although I don't know if this is realistic. I've been in a real T-6 doing aerobatics and I did not hear any noises like that, despite pulling G's that almost blacked me out.

Cheers,
Mark

Mongo

July 15th, 2010, 05:22

For me:
In FSX
Eaglesoft SR22
RealAir Duke
Piglet's Meyers 200D

In FS9
Eaglesoft SR22
FSD Cheyenne
FSD Avanti
Dreamfleet Baron

AndyE1976

July 15th, 2010, 05:30

RealAir Spit
IRIS Vulcan
Aerosoft F16 & TwinOtter
PMDG 747
CS 757
CH Fw190
JF BoB
A2A B17
Flight1 Hunter

I'm hoping the IRIS Typhoon and Virtavia Jaguar will be the first modern RAF types that actually feel immersive.

For me the VC and exterior has to look real and all the switches have to work. Sound and flight dynamics are important too, but as I've never flown any of the aircraft listed above it is more that it shouldn't feel 'wrong' than it should be overly 'right'.

Bone

July 15th, 2010, 05:50

Aerosoft F-16, Flylogic F-5E Tiger II (the photo realistic cockpit is awesome), and two portovers: Cloud9 F-4 and the Microsim T-37 (again, awesome photorealistic cockpits). Even though the F-4 and T-37 aren't fully functional in FSX, their photorealism translates well on my 52 inch HDTV. The inability to click a few switches is no big deal, due to the complete lack of tactile feedback the sim offers anyway (just my viewpoint, that's all).

pilottj

July 15th, 2010, 08:05

I love the warbirds and the jets and everything but I picked GA because those are the flying environments that I am trained to fly in real life. RealAir's GA line of craft is what puts me 'there' the most as a pilot. And from my sig you can tell I am in Bill's fabulous Dynasty alot :)

SADT, I have Win7 64x pro and I am able to use the Scout package just fine including the config program. It is one of my favorite GA planes as well. You might talk to Rob about it because it should work fine on Win7 :)

Cheers
TJ

BOOM

July 15th, 2010, 08:31

I agree with the majority.
Vertigo Studios
SBD
F6F
P-36
*[can't wait for F8F,F9F]*

A2A
P-47
B-17
*[P-51 in development]*

RealAir
Duke
*[looking forward to Royal Turbine version]*

IanHenry

July 15th, 2010, 08:39

Sibwings Bird Dog.

Ian.

Alan_A

July 15th, 2010, 09:15

Much as I love RealAir's flight dynamics (fluidity and sense of mass), for me the "you are there" feeling comes from sound and VC atmosphere, plus the airfile.

Therefore: A2A Cub, P-47 and B-17, Lotussim L-39, Sibwings Birddog (1.2 version), Aerosoft Catalina and Beaver, Carenado 172 and 152 (I miss systems modeling when I fly the Carenados, but still fee like I'm there).

And yet the RealAir Citabria and SF260 keep calling me back...

idancesafetydance

July 15th, 2010, 10:05

It's gliders for me, FSX does a better job simulating gliding than FS9 did. I can actually notice a difference between L/D Max airspeed, and Minimum sink, unlike FS2004 where you are dropping constantly. I really love Wolfgang's LS8-18. Flying the LS8 at my home airport, the virtual version in FSX is quite realistic, and spins realisticly at the highest realism settings.

warchild

July 15th, 2010, 10:36

meh.. for me in part its anything powered by my teams work of course ( JFTC/JadeIsland) but beyond that, theres David Maltby's DH-106 Comet, Arianes BBJ for fs9 and their 737-800 for fsx,

Snuffy

July 15th, 2010, 10:51

Gotta go with A2A ...

Dain Arns

July 15th, 2010, 11:44

Dodosim 206, but I see that helicopters were ignored, as usual.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/Leorstef/eeyore1.jpg

huub vink

July 15th, 2010, 12:01

Perhaps because the cockpit is so familiar to me after all the beta flying I did in it, but I really feel "there" when I step inside the cockpit from my Classics Hangar FW190-A. Without thinking I know which switches I need to trow, gentle with the throttle, a bit rudder to stay in the middle of the runway and once airborne I retract the gear and flaps, at exactly the right moment, without even thinking.

Although there are many models is love to fly, this one is "really" my home.

Cheers,
Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/c2_hackl_02.jpg

Naki

July 15th, 2010, 12:58

All my payware aircraft do to a certain extent but the Lotus Aero L-39 tops the others, followed closely by the Sibwings Bird Dog (V1.2), Realair Spitfire, the Carenado Beechcraft Bonanza & 185 and one freeware aircraft - Ant's Tiger Moth.

Also love watching my Realair Spitfire from spot view ...makes you "feel" there from an air show spectator point of view.

Dexdoggy

July 15th, 2010, 15:03

Very hard to only tick one of those boxes!
For me (in no particular order):

Lotus L-39
Carenado Cessna 152
Ant's Tigermoth
Wozza's Texan
But - this is only a partial list! :jump:

tracyq144

July 15th, 2010, 15:27

Interesting answers.

For me, it is, hands down, the A2A Cub.

I like (a lot) the RA stuff, but they just seem too "rail like" to me. Same with Carenado.

Of course, I realize this is a simulation/game, and that if all the aircraft were unflyable, that would kind of defeat the purpose, but still...:icon_lol:

robert41

July 15th, 2010, 15:48

For me it is the B17-Accusim in FSX. I like vintage aircraft and this fits perfectly. I also have the J3-Accusim and find it hard to choose between Bill Lyon's J3 in FS9. But there is more to the immersion of flight. Need good scenery and weather, and most important, a realistic flight control stick/yoke and rudder pedals.

Bjoern

July 15th, 2010, 16:06

Javis

July 15th, 2010, 17:26

That first shot is amazing, mate ! :eek:

I would've returned to the ramp... eat a broodje croquet.. :)

Does RC still sound so computer'esque ??...

cheers,
jan

clmooring

July 15th, 2010, 18:47

Realair Duke - outside textures, cockpit everything works and love turning the knobs, rain, sound

L-39 - flight dynamics and fluidity on my pc, ice and rain, lights, vc looks great, sound

flight1 - cessna mustang, vc all those working glass panels, outside views, everything is there, ice, sound

lionheart - epic and victory, both all round great, fun and beautiful

fsd commander (fsx) - love the realworld plane, flight dynamics - it works great on my pc, wish there was a commander of the same quality as the first 3 I listed.

Bone

July 15th, 2010, 18:49

There's way more to "being there" than just the airplane.

As long as the VC is halfway easy on the eyes it'll do.

I was "there".
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CRJ_1-1.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CRJ_1-1.jpg)

I was "there".
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CRJ_2-1.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CRJ_2-1.jpg)

I was "there".
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CRJ_3-1.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CRJ_3-1.jpg)

Some of my shots look like yours...

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/FlyPics/AuguadillaPuertoRicoX094.jpg

...or, do some of your shots look like mine???

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/FlyPics/MeridaMexico-2.jpg

How about San Francisco, hmm no...

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/FlyPics/SanFrancisco017Approach.jpg

Ah yes, Turks & Caicos. That's really being there.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/FlyPics/TurksandCaicos0044.jpg

...and the side window view:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/FlyPics/TurksandCaicos0045.jpg

You're right Bjoern, the cockpit is just something that you sit in. It's all about looking out the window.

Someone's going to PM me for being an @ss, again, I just know it.

idancesafetydance

July 15th, 2010, 20:15

You just wait till I get some shots of my glider flights this weekend, Central Wisconsin, cliff's and Buttes everywhere.

Bone

July 15th, 2010, 21:02

You just wait till I get some shots of my glider flights this weekend, Central Wisconsin, cliff's and Buttes everywhere.

I hope Central Wisky is more exciting than Milwaukee:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/FlyPics/Milwaukee7.jpg

Sorry SADT. I took your realism thread a little too far over the top. My bad.

Bjoern

July 16th, 2010, 09:26

That first shot is amazing, mate ! :eek:

I would've returned to the ramp... eat a broodje croquet.. :)

I doubt they serve that in Oslo.
Anyways, it looked more dramatic than it actually was.

Does RC still sound so computer'esque ??...

Yeah, sadly.
But then again, it's mostly way better than default, so why not...

Someone's going to PM me for being an @ss, again, I just know it.

PM? Ha, I'll do it here!

You, sir...are an arse. :icon_lol:

anatolpopov

July 16th, 2010, 10:46

Well, while waiting RV-8 it's Samdim Cap-10B
12856

Paul K

July 17th, 2010, 13:44

Aircraft I'm 'there' in..

In FSX...Iris Vulcan, Dave Garwood's Auster, Ant's Tiger Moth, Milton's Spartan Executive

In FS9...Plane Design's Lancastrian, Cal-Classic's Curtiss Commando (great model, great alliteration )

Scratch

July 18th, 2010, 10:33

A2A AccuSim a/c, anything by Vertigo Studios and RealAir.

Aerosoft Catalina also.

Major_Spittle

July 18th, 2010, 12:43

Ant's Tiger Moth tops the list of my airplanes. Reasons: Sound, Flight dynamics, graphics! It beats out all the payware I own when it comes to immersion, but, with that being said my payware is modeling more complex flight systems typically.

PMDG 747 is tops for more complex aircraft, but doen't make me "feel there" like Ant's Tiger Moth.

OT Ant's Tiger Moth=Free (thanks), PMDG 747 Queen of the Skies = $55 unless you buy it in the store where it is $30 and then you get a disk with the latest version of said plane! wtf is up with that? I have wanted the PMDG 747 for awhile now but wouldn't spend the $55, they almost lost out on a sale because they are overcharging everyone online. :173go1:

Ran into the same thing with the Shockwave (A2A) ww2 fighters. Bought the P40 power pack in a store for ~$25 as I recall and online it would've probably cost >60$ for all of the fighters that were included on that disk.

Bushpounder

July 21st, 2010, 02:15

The most realistic feeling I have ever had was flying Milton's Aero Commander 500 model. That VC is PERFECT. I flew the 500 in r/l, and it has been the only sim model that has made me feel like I was actually there.

Don

Shylock

July 21st, 2010, 11:01

For me the A2A B-17 and P-47 with accusim of course make me feel like I am really there flying.

toby23

August 4th, 2010, 03:14

Have to agree, Accusim has transformed FSX for me.
The B17, P47 and Piper Cub all feel very real when combined with REX, FTX, ASE and EZDOK.
Some of the single prop trainers from Carenado that I've seen are also very real, for example the C152.
I only fly small GA so can't comment on the heavies.

Dexdoggy

September 8th, 2010, 14:37

I will have to add Ant's new Sierra to this!

beana51

September 8th, 2010, 15:17

On the Sim we can fly anything,and its great!!....a real hint of flight...however a real grass field,and a Piper Cub, and magic happens!....the true feeling of flight in your very being....and the instinctive responses to it....a Sim would be great if it could give us the sense of the "Gs" that are flight....
However in the Sim world,by far the P-51 Mustang!.. and only if the model is crafted to reflect accurate performance......Other wise Flying a kite ...is OK too!

Milton Shupe

December 22nd, 2010, 14:42

warchild

December 29th, 2010, 15:04

I think i'm always kinda "there".. The reasons are a bit more difficult to verbalize though..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2008-3-24_15-0-15-671.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/fs92007-04-3021-47-50-93-1.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2008-3-30_16-58-11-378.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2008-2-20_17-46-57-204.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2008-3-11_2-18-20-408.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2008-5-8_0-10-55-429.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2008-5-16_19-55-32-17.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2008-6-30_2-7-31-532.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2008-9-3_11-40-38-406.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2009-3-2_18-6-9-698.jpg

fox18delta

December 29th, 2010, 16:12

VRS F-18E - Having a Hornet as detailed and beautiful to fly as this in FSX is a real treat. It sets the bar for tactical jets in flight simulation.

Navy Chief

December 29th, 2010, 19:02

RAZBAM'S A-7 Corsair II to me is the most realistic military aircraft in FSX. Having worked on them for over six years, I feel like I am once again in those cockpits. Only now I get to fly them!

Ron Zambrano and everyone involved with RAZBAM have created a masterpiece, in my opinion.

I never thought I would see such detail brought back to "life" via simulation!

My friend Fred Sanders, former USN A-7 pilot, is amazed at what has been recreated for simulation.

You did Ron. You resurrected the SLUF!!!

I am so very appreciative.

Navy Chief

Z-IanMCD

December 29th, 2010, 23:37

Pepere

January 3rd, 2011, 15:20

I hope Central Wisky is more exciting than Milwaukee:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/FlyPics/Milwaukee7.jpg

Sorry SADT. I took your realism thread a little too far over the top. My bad.

Hay Bone - how's the FPS? Looks like you have all the sliders maxed out!

David

roger-wilco-66

January 4th, 2011, 11:22

I'd opt for the A2A P-47. It has almost nothing to do with the visuals, just the realistic way the aircraft has to be operated. I'm spring-loaded, cautious and almost a little afraid when I fly that thing - what more can make you "feel there".

Cheers,
Mark

jankees

January 4th, 2011, 11:57

I agree, other aircraft give you almost nothing to do, others too much ( I still can't fly that bl***y Vulcan), the P-47 is just perfect, treat it right, and everything is fine, make a mistake, and you'll pay.
It actually reminds me a lot of some of my old motorcycles I used to drive. Usually things were fine, but there was always this nagging feeling in the back of your head...
The B-17 is great too, but easier, since you can let the co-pilot do a lot.

clmooring

January 7th, 2011, 08:37

For me, the Duke and l39 provide perfect level of complexity. You have to manage the engines, presurization, ice as well as point it where you want to go. With duke, the xp 530 gps adds just that much more.

OleBoy

January 9th, 2011, 07:35

Anything that falls in the lines of fine quality modeling from the below developers are my carrot

Stuart Greens work - Truly missed
Robert Bruce(s) work - Truly missed
Ted Cooks work (like a fine wine getting better with time)
Bill Lyons work - Truly missed
Steven D. Meyers work - Truly missed
Milan Lisner
Manuele Villa
Oliver Fischer
Dave Garwood
Victor Astiz
Bill Ortis
Michael Puto
Guy Hulin
The modeler of the Air Atlantique Percival Prentice
Luka Midic
Simon Smeiman
Jozef Vrabec

Thanks to you all for my (and your) flight simulator enjoyment! :salute:

I know there are more modelers of this quality I'm forgetting. I have so many models I enjoy flying that I can't remember them all.

fox18delta

January 18th, 2011, 08:01

28673286742867528676She's a real beauty and a welcome addition to FSX.

W. Bleddyn

January 24th, 2011, 12:42

SibWings Bird Dog (a recent purchase although it is not new, and I love it)
Lionheart Quest Kodiak

And worthy of special mention because they are generously given to the community as freeware:

Piglet's Pilatus Porter
Grumman Goose Redux

I guess it shows that I like bush flying ;)