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kilo delta
May 19th, 2010, 14:12
One for Lionheart...

Never heard this story before..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentich_disappearance


The following is a transcript of the exchanges between Valentich and air traffice control, from the first three pages of the Australian Department of Transport report:[19]
19:06:14 DSJ [Valentich]: Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?
FS [Flight Services; Robey]: Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.
DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.
19:06:44 FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?
DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, and it seems to me like landing lights.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
19:07:31 DSJ: Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?
DSJ: Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.
19:08:18 DSJ: Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
19:08:41 DSJ: (open microphone for two seconds.)
19:08:48 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?
DSJ: My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?
DSJ: Affirmative.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.
19:09:27 DSJ: Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).
19:09:42 FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the - er - aircraft?
DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.
19:10 FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?
19:10:19 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary[20]. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
19:10:46 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
19:11:00 DSJ: Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.
DSJ: Say again.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?
DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
19:11:50 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is (coughing).
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?
DSJ: My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.
FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
19:12:28 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).
(An unexplained sound abruptly terminated the voice communications.)


....cue Twilight Zone theme music! :)

jmig
May 19th, 2010, 15:48
Is this like for real?

kilo delta
May 20th, 2010, 01:13
Well it's on Wikipedia...so it must be true,John ;) :d

I read about this on another forum and had never heard anything about this prior to yesterday. It supposedly occurred in 1978.

Lionheart
May 20th, 2010, 05:55
John,

Alot of these instances occurred and most of them were 'put down', evidence taken and disappeared, reports disappeared, etc.

The wierdest ones were chats between ATC and airline pilots flying over Alaska and other northerly regions and ocean routes, reporting things the size of aircraft carriers, flying around, following airliners, hovering over mountains, etc.

Very real.

Some of the voice transmissions still can be found today along with a few photos as pilots tend to keep a camera in the cockpit. But a camera doesnt really show you what they are seeing at night, something that on film appears like a dot on black paper, but was a ship the size of a massive vessel, roundish in shape (tear droped, etc), that had been following them for say 10 to 15 min's, with fly by's, etc.


Bill

txnetcop
May 20th, 2010, 06:06
I wish there were another verifiable source besides Wiki which really reeks of misinformation! That is an incredible story
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papab
May 20th, 2010, 06:21
Take a look:
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_14_1_haines.pdf

b52bob
May 20th, 2010, 08:36
You know this stuff really happens. The scientific community tends to be debunkers because there is no empirical evidence. That's nuts!

There is just too much unexplained to be all debunked. True, there are some "weird" people out there and there are instances where things can be explained, but even if ONE turns out to be true, that is enough to turn mankind on it's ear.

Just MHO

kilo delta
May 20th, 2010, 08:54
More info here...

http://www.skycontrol.net/ufo/the-frederick-valentich-disappearance-by-paul-norman/

and here

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_14_1_haines.pdf

dominique
May 20th, 2010, 09:32
a shot of a similar event

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i162/domkle/captures%20et%20retouches/Bermudatriangle-1.jpg

Bjoern
May 20th, 2010, 10:25
Ah, yes..."Reapers"...err..."UFOs"... ;)

(Courtesy: Mass Effect 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=O92m-yy4gGk (http://www.youtube.com/watch#%21v=O92m-yy4gGk))



(If extraterrestrials really behaved like usually reported, they must be one (some) awfully dumb species.)

Lionheart
May 20th, 2010, 11:59
Ah, yes..."Reapers"...err..."UFOs"... ;)

(Courtesy: Mass Effect 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=O92m-yy4gGk (http://www.youtube.com/watch#%21v=O92m-yy4gGk))



(If extraterrestrials really behaved like usually reported, they must be one (some) awfully dumb species.)

I agree, loll...

One such large UFO disc was hovering in differnt locations around Mexico city international, and at one point, almost blocked the path of an incoming airliner, and the airliner hit it. The Mexico government wished to press charges on the said object, it was in pattern for 45 min's, believe it or not. Slight damage did occur to the landing gear of the airliner.

First time charges were filed against a UFO, lol...

tigisfat
May 20th, 2010, 13:52
Seeing is not believing. Human beings are very prone to active imaginations and hallucinations.

I've seen some unexplained phenomena before, but when it comes down to blaming things on aliens, basic laws of probability mean that if they exist, we're pretty far away for any species to travel.

boxcar
May 20th, 2010, 17:57
...we're pretty far away for any species to travel.


..... ...that you are aware of.

Lionheart
May 20th, 2010, 18:32
Seeing is not believing. Human beings are very prone to active imaginations and hallucinations.

I've seen some unexplained phenomena before, but when it comes down to blaming things on aliens, basic laws of probability mean that if they exist, we're pretty far away for any species to travel.

tigisfat


So, all those airliners pilots, with all their time, combined witnesses, as well as passengers, all taking pictures of these things that are flying over and beside them, passing them, coming at them, were halucinations. Ok...

And you know that they live too far away and that their ships cant carry enough fuel to get here. Ok...

Well, that clears that up. :d


Bill

Bjoern
May 21st, 2010, 07:33
Seeing is not believing. Human beings are very prone to active imaginations and hallucinations.

I've seen some unexplained phenomena before, but when it comes down to blaming things on aliens, basic laws of probability mean that if they exist, we're pretty far away for any species to travel.

Also, they'd make an official entrance a la "Hail Earth, 'sup?" and not "Let's abduct, experiment and scare them! Hurr hurr hurr!" :rolleyes: