'Canon vs Nikon'

[Panther_99FS]

As told by Ken Rockwell.....


Canon vs Nikon
When Canon completely changed their lens mount from FD to EF in 1987, they completely screwed every pro who shot Canon, since they would have to rebuy everything all over again. When you're a pro, your investment is lenses, which stay the same as you update and replace bodies.
When Canon went autofocus, Canon's FD mount was a kludge. They trashed it, and started over from scratch. This begat the EF (Electronic Focus) lenses and the EOS (Electro-Optical System, also a subliminal cue for "Eros) mount, which we have today.
The designed-for AF and electronics Canon mount is superior to the Nikon F mount, which dates from 1959. Nikon's AF-S lenses, like Nikon's 24mm f/1.4 (http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/24mm-f14.htm), are only starting to get electromechanically where Canon was 20 years ago, because Canon started with a clean-sheet design for their new lens mount.
So how did Canon win the pro market in the 1990s?
Simple: even though Canon screwed pros in 1987 by trashing the FD mount, Canon wasn't a pro camera back then. Very few pros shot it. Duh, pros shot Nikon. Canon only lost the pro market when they went to the EOS mount, which they didn't have anyway.
Thus when pros finally accepted AF in the 1990s, Canon was way ahead of Nikon's klunky mechanical AF system, and Canon won away the bulk of the pro market, most of whom had never even shot the FD cameras (http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/fd/bodies.htm).
By taking a big chance and redesigning their lens mount from scratch, Canon positioned itself to win back the market they never had. By owning the pro market, the hobbyists and the rest of the market follows.
Personally I prefer the Nikon AF system because it's a little slower, but more accurate a larger percentage of the time, but for news and sports, which is what digital and 35mm is all about, there's a reason Canon is so big.

[Kiwikat]

As told by Ken Rockwell.....

AKA Ken Shamwell AKA Krockwell AKA Who the !@#^$ is Ken Rockwell? AKA http://www.analvolcano.com/

AKA

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Rule #1 of Ken Rockwell is:

You DON'T TALK ABOUT Ken Rockwell.

Rule #2 of Ken Rockwell is:

You DON'T TALK ABOUT Ken Rockwell.


:icon_lol: You can easily see the Canon crowd's opinion of the guy...

Some of his stuff is OK. A lot of it makes no sense though.

[Panther_99FS]

Ken Rockwell for the most part pretty much said Canon was "better"....Perhaps I won't listen to him ;)

[Kiwikat]

Ken Rockwell for the most part pretty much said Canon was "better"....Perhaps I won't listen to him ;)

Nah, he says the D40 is better. The D40 is the best camera ever conceived. :bump:

He lives by the D40, he is the D40.

[Panther_99FS]

Nah, he says the D40 is better. The D40 is the best camera ever conceived. :bump:

He lives by the D40, he is the D40.

You do know that both Cloud9Gal and jmig are D40 owners....;)

[Kiwikat]

C9G... uh oh.

I'm in trouble! :X :pop4:

[Panther_99FS]

C9G... uh oh.

I'm in trouble! :X :pop4:

How's your foot tasting :ques: :d

[Ferry_vO]

Ken Rockwell for the most part pretty much said Canon was "better"....

Not better, just smarter..

;)

[kilo delta]

Has the Nikon 51 point AF been bettered yet?

[Cratermaker]

Depending on subject/when Ken wrote an article:

1) Film is better than digital
2) Digital is better than film
3) Nikon is better than Canon
4) Canon is better than Nikon

Add a sprinkling of caveats he throws in with them all and I come to this conclusion:

Ken likes attention. :wavey: <-Ken: "Look at me!" (or maybe he likes to increase web traffic to his site...;) )

[JorisVandenBerghe]

I always confuse this guy with Thom Hogan...

Oh, well...

My take: every system has its advantages. Canon has some pretty good telephoto lenses (zooms, that is...Nikon is still lacking a decent 400mm zoom lens, à la 100-400 or 70-400...unless you're willing to get the 200-400 f/4 VR II), while Nikon has in my opinion the best standard zoom and wide-angle: the 14-24 and 24-70 (the latter one is only challenged by Sony's Carl Zeiss 24-70 f/2.8 SSM as far as optical performance and focusing speed is concerned).

I'd really like Sony to develop an AF-system similar to Nikon's 51 AF-system...

[djscoo]

Ken Rockwell...
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yes, that's him; and no, I have no idea what is going on in this picture.

[kilo delta]

Nikon is still lacking a decent 400mm zoom lens, à la 100-400 or 70-400..

So true...I'm using a Tokina 80-400mm to cover that range atm and am eyeing up the new Sigma 150-500mm OS. Worst thing about Nikon is the cost of their prosumer lens. :-(

[Kiwikat]

Ken Rockwell...
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yes, that's him; and no, I have no idea what is going on in this picture.

LMAO

[Snuffy]

Welp you know what they say ...

Not any one person knows all there is to know ...

[skyhawka4m]

I love my D90! with a 80-200 2.89 AF-S lens and a 2.0 extender.

[MaskRider]

I am a simple soul. I own your basic Nikon D40 and a Canon S90. Love 'em both. Took this picture with my Casio EX-V7. Love it, too.
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[Moparmike]

To quote some unknown shooter...
"It's not the name on the body or the lens, it's the person behind the viewfinder".

...but this was also probably said by some non-CaNikon shooter though! :d

[Panther_99FS]

I am a simple soul. I own your basic Nikon D40 and a Canon S90. Love 'em both. Took this picture with my Casio EX-V7. Love it, too.


A lot of Nikon shooters at the Nikon Cafe' forums also carry a Canon S90...:)

[Chacha]

A lot of Nikon shooters at the Nikon Cafe' forums also carry a Canon S90...:)


I own a Nikon
I own a Canon
I own a PC
I own a Mac..

I love all of them...

They function differently and I am just glad I have them... :)

[jmig]

Yeph, I have a D-40. It has done everything I have asked it to. Of course, it is also smarter than I am.

:)

[redriver6]

To quote some unknown shooter...
"It's not the name on the body or the lens, it's the person behind the viewfinder".

...but this was also probably said by some non-CaNikon shooter though! :d

yeah i guess us Pentax owners are considered 'low rent':icon_lol:

intresting how folks like to be 'in yer face' with thier camera brand...geez.

[Panther_99FS]

yeah i guess us Pentax owners are considered 'low rent':icon_lol:

intresting how folks like to be 'in yer face' with thier camera brand...geez.

RR6,
I bumped into a woman today who was a 35mm Pentax shooter & she was upset that Best Buy didn't carry any Pentax DSLRs......I told her to check online for a Pentax that would work with her old 35mm glass...

[redriver6]

RR6,
I bumped into a woman today who was a 35mm Pentax shooter & she was upset that Best Buy didn't carry any Pentax DSLRs......I told her to check online for a Pentax that would work with her old 35mm glass...

ya...thats one of the reasons i continued my Pentax loyalty into digital...i have several 35 pentax lenses..

[JorisVandenBerghe]

To quote some unknown shooter...
"It's not the name on the body or the lens, it's the person behind the viewfinder".

...but this was also probably said by some non-CaNikon shooter though! :d
Or even more beautifully said:
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it”
- Ansel Adams (1902-1984)

[Chacha]

Or even more beautifully said:
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it”
- Ansel Adams (1902-1984)


:ernae:

[Panther_99FS]

the twelve inches behind it”


"No comment".....:monkies:
:engel016:

[Chacha]

"No comment".....:monkies:
:engel016:


Eeeeks.... :)


The person behind it...

[JorisVandenBerghe]

"No comment".....:monkies:
:engel016:

Now that's what I call taking something out of its context...tss,...I didn't expect you to do that, Ed!

[Kiwikat]

Oh come on, it isn't that surprising he said it. :173go1: :icon_lol:

Ugh its a beautiful day outside, perfect for shooting birds somewhere. But I have to go into work... :frown:

[Cratermaker]

Ugh its a beautiful day outside, perfect for shooting birds somewhere.
I thought it was wabbit season.:jump:

[Panther_99FS]

But the "real winner" is LEICA...:d
http://kenrockwell.com/leica/m9/sharpness-28mm.htm

[Cloud9Gal]

C9G... uh oh.

I'm in trouble! :X :pop4:


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[Cloud9Gal]

I absolutely love my Nikon D40- great starter camera! And I love the fact that's it is light compared to other models!
I have a few upcoming trips and plan on making good use of my D40.

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[JorisVandenBerghe]

But the "real winner" is LEICA...:d
http://kenrockwell.com/leica/m9/sharpness-28mm.htm
They are a "winner" as far as the price is concerned, too...;)

[Panther_99FS]

They are a "winner" as far as the price is concerned, too...;)

What's the cost and performance of the M9's competition :ques: ;)

[MenendezDiego]

These 2 babies keep us happy.

Nikon D3 and D2xs (D3 is my fathers)

Diego