'When You Use Real Instruments Instead Of Synthesizers'

[Panther_99FS]

Note the sound/harmony of the strings, horns, and woodwinds....

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[PRB]

I agree. I love it when good rock bands use huge (real) orchestras. It makes for a rich and deep and complete sound. Good stuff.

[TARPSBird]

Panther, you come up with some good videos. :)

[Panther_99FS]

I agree. I love it when good rock bands use huge (real) orchestras. It makes for a rich and deep and complete sound. Good stuff.

Agreed 100%....

[David_L6]

I agree. I love it when good rock bands use huge (real) orchestras. It makes for a rich and deep and complete sound. Good stuff.


I agree. The Moody Blues live at Red Rocks is another good example.

[harleyman]

I agree. I love it when good rock bands use huge (real) orchestras. It makes for a rich and deep and complete sound. Good stuff.


Then you should listen to the Metalica double CD of them with the Los Angeles Philharmonic..the entire HUGH Orchestra is Miked up...Outstanding...

[Quixoticish]

If there is one sound that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end it's the sound of an orchestra tuning up just before a performance.

There is a real palpable sense of excitement, a feeling that something spectacular is about to occur.

It is something of a quiet cacophony, with moments of absolute lucidity when you catch the odd strain or melody of something you recognise amidst the commotion.

Wonderful.

[cheezyflier]

i like when orchestras play classical music. i hate it when rock bands use them in an effort to appear more artsy.
case in point, mettalica. as for elton john, he's not on my radar

[TomSteber]

Kansas was just here a couple of weeks back and played with the Green Bay Symphony.
Too bad I was out of town. Heard it was great!

[Brian_Gladden]

Meatloaf with the Melbourne Symphony is awesome. I have the DVD but I could only find this audio only vid on youtube


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Brian

[Bjoern]

Never quite got the grip of the concept of "famous dude/gal/band forms up with big orchestra from xyz and plays their music the classic way".
It's either entirely classical or entirely modern for me. But something in between? No, thanks.

[Ken Stallings]

Never quite got the grip of the concept of "famous dude/gal/band forms up with big orchestra from xyz and plays their music the classic way".
It's either entirely classical or entirely modern for me. But something in between? No, thanks.

Wow! A rather surprising personal decision to limit the scope of one's musical sources!

In truth, this combination is entirely natural and has been a hallmark of rock and roll since the start. Buddy Holly was doing this -- putting full orchestration together with his music on stage. It was awesome!

The thing I don't often see is bands putting a large group of guitars together as happens routinely with violins. Take 20 acoustic guitars playing together. That would be a rich and powerful as any symphony string section working together!

Ken

[cheezyflier]

The thing I don't often see is bands putting a large group of guitars together as happens routinely with violins. Take 20 acoustic guitars playing together. That would be a rich and powerful as any symphony string section working together!

Ken

in your mind (mine as well) it sounds like a great idea. but in reality, it's VERY difficult to pull off. the "sound" becomes too "fat" and it just doesn't work out most of the time. i briefly experimented with this idea many years ago with a project called "the mountain band". we had 5 guitarists, 2 bass players, 2 drummers, and 5 singers. it was a nightmare for the sound guy, let alone everyone else. it has been done effectively but it's really tough to pull off.

speaking of strings, one of the reasons i love the twelve girl band so much is because they play a blend of folk, modern, and classical, and chinese, but with traditional chinese instruments that go back more than a thousand years. so it's classical, but yet it's not. it's rock, (some of it) but it's not. it's "ethnic", but in more than one way. that, and the skill involved is monumental. i would love to try this piece with all guitars:


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[MudMarine]

Wow! A rather surprising personal decision to limit the scope of one's musical sources!

In truth, this combination is entirely natural and has been a hallmark of rock and roll since the start. Buddy Holly was doing this -- putting full orchestration together with his music on stage. It was awesome!

The thing I don't often see is bands putting a large group of guitars together as happens routinely with violins. Take 20 acoustic guitars playing together. That would be a rich and powerful as any symphony string section working together!

Ken

Just goes to show what a personal experience music is to each person! AC/DC with a string section........NEVER; bagpipes are ok!!:applause::icon_lol:

[tonybones2112]

Sometimes orchestra can be integrated successfully, as a rule I don;t care for the mix. Deep Purple's actual first album with Glover and Gillain was the one they did with the London crew.It rocked. The Moodys and Yes are favorites of mine, Led Zeppelin had a string and brass set for the song Kashmir, it really worked. The Beatles did some great work too with orchestras. Black sabbath integrated Tibetan monks into Sabotage in 1975 and was great. In 1966 The Outsiders had a spiffy little brass section in their one hit, Time Won't Let Me.

The king of them all was Mason Williams and Classical Gas from 1968.

There is next to no, what was once called, progressive rock left, but I think orchestras worked with the right groups, I just would not base a band on it.

"Now in darkeness world stops turning,
Ashes where the body's burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour..."

Bones

[TARPSBird]

Different strokes for different folks. Ya post your video, some folks like it and some don't. I'm no musician but I'll betcha if Charlie Daniels got together with that 12 Girl Band they could come up with a very unique version of "The Devil Went Down to Georgia". :d

[Bjoern]

Wow! A rather surprising personal decision to limit the scope of one's musical sources!

My friends call me a "music nazi". :d


Very rough rule of thumb for my musical scope: Bass, guitar, drums. Makes for the best bands. You don't even need a specialized singer either.

[Henry]

thanks P
very powerful
beats synthesizers any day
speaking of the moody blues
they used to use a melotron
basically a keyboard with tapes of a particular instrument
nothing beats a human musician
as far as a bunch of guitars goes
here in shreveport lives a guy called James Burton
some of you may know who he is
last year he went for the record of i believe 2000 guitars
playing at the same time
he came up short but a fine musican
and a great guy to help others
H

[Odie]

I remember when Emerson, Lake, & Palmer came to the forefront in the 70's using a lot of synth in their music. Let's see, 70's was how many decades back...Ack, I can't be that old!:icon_lol:

[Snuffy]

Never quite got the grip of the concept of "famous dude/gal/band forms up with big orchestra from xyz and plays their music the classic way".
It's either entirely classical or entirely modern for me. But something in between? No, thanks.

Must have a problem then with this:

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[Ken Stallings]

Just goes to show what a personal experience music is to each person! AC/DC with a string section........NEVER; bagpipes are ok!!:applause::icon_lol:

I bet you AC/DC would translate into a symphony orchestra show very, very well -- excellently in fact!

Imagine the intro guitar solo in "Thunder" being played by a standard string section.

Oh yeah! I can see that being rather tasty indeed!

Ken

[Snuffy]

AC/DC eh?

Try this ...

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[Ken Stallings]

And Ed, the video you posted was awesome!

Ken

[Ken Stallings]

in your mind (mine as well) it sounds like a great idea. but in reality, it's VERY difficult to pull off. the "sound" becomes too "fat" and it just doesn't work out most of the time. i briefly experimented with this idea many years ago with a project called "the mountain band". we had 5 guitarists, 2 bass players, 2 drummers, and 5 singers. it was a nightmare for the sound guy, let alone everyone else. it has been done effectively but it's really tough to pull off.

speaking of strings, one of the reasons i love the twelve girl band so much is because they play a blend of folk, modern, and classical, and chinese, but with traditional chinese instruments that go back more than a thousand years. so it's classical, but yet it's not. it's rock, (some of it) but it's not. it's "ethnic", but in more than one way. that, and the skill involved is monumental. i would love to try this piece with all guitars:

That was great! Yeah, I think that would sound powerful with acoustic guitars.

Ken

[cheezyflier]

well, you'd need an electric with a good slide player to do the violin-ish parts :icon_lol:

[Naismith]

AC/DC eh?

Try this ...

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Now that is one of the coolest things I have heard in a long time. Just goes to show, a good tune is a good tune never mind the genre (excepting rap of course ...... lol)

[grunau_baby]

i hate it when rock bands use them in an effort to appear more artsy.Me, too! Generally! As much as I dislike all this unplugged BS! But sometimes there are some great outputs still. It can even be done the other way round:

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Believe it or not;-) Jaz Colemann, frontman of Killing Joke, is actually the leadcomposer for the New Zealand philharmonic orchestra and conductor of the prague philharmonics! He creates "heavy music" and all the used intruments could easily be played with those of an orchestra and it would sound perfect as well. Funny fact, he dislikes mixing the intrumental styles and rarely uses his orchestra musicians within the rock music.



Bass, guitar, drums. Makes for the best bands. You don't even need a specialized singer either.
Bjoern, so you definetely must like something like this, right? it fits right into your criterias:d:d:d

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Digression, Digression, my ears bleed, I´ll go...;-)

[Bjoern]

Must have a problem then with this:

My ears started bleeding, thank you. xP




Bjoern, so you definetely must like something like this, right? it fits right into your criterias:d:d:d

Sounded good...until she started singing. Urgh!


However they are right down my road.
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Scottish geniuses. :cool:

[grunau_baby]

Well, a bit too maintream for my taste...;)

As a result from my own bands I dislike trashy or for me irrelevant lyrics (the reason why I can hardly listen to "young" bands, I guess:-( so I look for singing I do not understand at all (not yet):
my favourite bass-guitar-drum-3-piece-set at the moment (and I don´t get a word;-))):
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And I still like very serious songwriting, among the best:
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AC/DC eh?

Try this ...Brilliant! Love it that style, really!!!

Regards
Alex

[Ferry_vO]

From my favourite live DVD:

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Within Temptation, an orchestra and a choir; it hardly gets any better!

[Quixoticish]

I had the misfortune to see Within Temptation headlining at Bloodstock one year. Absolutely atrocious, in fact one of the worst all round performances I've ever witnessed.

Conversely one band that often use a full orchestra to great effect is Manowar. I recall seeing them at Earthshaker, it was a truly memorable experience that actually brought at tear to the eye when the finished with "the Crown and the Ring".

[Ken Stallings]

AC/DC eh?

Try this ...



I enjoyed the hell out of that! Excellent!

Ken

[Brian_Gladden]

I'm usually more of a "Classic" rock guy and I don't care for many of the newer bands but this one...

Well, Evanescence rocks

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Brian

[Bjoern]

Well, a bit too maintream for my taste...;)

Great, now I'm offended. No one calls Biffy mainstream! NO ONE! D:


As a result from my own bands I dislike trashy or for me irrelevant lyrics (the reason why I can hardly listen to "young" bands, I guess:-( so I look for singing I do not understand at all (not yet):

I need lyrics, even if they sometimes make no or only little sense.


my favourite bass-guitar-drum-3-piece-set at the moment (and I don´t get a word;-))):

Asian bands somehow don't tingle my music receptors at all.
Must be the language.


And I still like very serious songwriting, among the best:
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He doesn't sound too badly.

[grunau_baby]

He doesn't sound too badly.HE actually - more or less - invented alternative rock long before Nirvana even existed(Hüsker Dü);)

[stuartcox]

Even a real orchestra doesn't sound right any more, since the introduction of digital recording equipment. Everything is being "synthesized"! I am so missing vinyl and analog processing!

[cheezyflier]

I am so missing vinyl and analog processing!

you know, for sound qualityi don't know of anything that can beat vinyl.
but as a sound guy, if we had to go back to analog equipment i would cry black rivers of tears.

[MudMarine]

AC/DC eh?

Try this ...

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That's just WRONG!!:icon_lol:

[cheezyflier]

heck, if you like ac/dc tributes, you may like this one a little better:

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[Bjoern]

HE actually - more or less - invented alternative rock long before Nirvana even existed(Hüsker Dü);)

Hüsker Dü rings a bell, but just by the name.
If their music sounds like his, I think I might check them out.

[grunau_baby]

Bjoern: some classics for ya, it was only 1987 when this band broke up:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=697963908
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6nX0mGv7-4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-TccVzt0gU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NFJ8YB203Q


Great, now I'm offended. No one calls Biffy mainstream! NO ONE! D:
Just kiddin`;-) Never heard of them, so I enjoyed this new audio-experience.


Asian bands somehow don't tingle my music receptors at all.
Must be the language. Well who cares what they sing about, as long as it sounds great. Maybe you like this stuff more, not so wicked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkP2Fo2yGQM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epzb-uI4YN8&feature=related
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkI0ZqFyDok&feature=related

Regards
Alex

[Bjoern]

Bjoern: some classics for ya, it was only 1987 when this band broke up:

Well, his newer stuff sounds better than their older stuff. Too much punk and, sadly bad mixing (a usual characteristic of older music in the more alternative genres, e.g. albums from Fugazi and Quicksand). Too little bass.


Well who cares what they sing about, as long as it sounds great.

I do. As I said, vocals and lyrics (in a language I can understand) are among the most important elements of music for me.


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkP2Fo2yGQM&feature=related)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkP2Fo2yGQM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epzb-uI4YN8&feature=related

Quite nice, maybe I'll check them out some more at one point.


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkI0ZqFyDok&feature=related)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkI0ZqFyDok&feature=related

Screamed lyrics in a language I don't understand. Two no-gos at once. :icon_lol:


This is the only non-engish/french singing band I occasionally listen to:
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Don't know why I can stand listening to them. Maybe because italian sounds slightly similar to french?

I also don't like listening to german vocals. Not the best language for vocals...

[Ken Stallings]

you know, for sound qualityi don't know of anything that can beat vinyl.

But that's only true the first time you play the vinyl record! After the first time the needle drags through, the recording loses quality.

I had heard that the best recordings are from the wide track tapes - true?

Ken

[cheezyflier]

you mean 8 track tapes? they were pretty good, but i never had one that wasn't in a car that needed a muffler so i can't say definitively. the part i remember was that as long as you had a matchpack to wedge in there they played pretty good most of the time

[Ken Stallings]

you mean 8 track tapes? they were pretty good, but i never had one that wasn't in a car that needed a muffler so i can't say definitively. the part i remember was that as long as you had a matchpack to wedge in there they played pretty good most of the time

No, not eight track. I believe 16mm tape. The kind that is played on large machines and used to record masters.

Ken

[Wiens]

Reel to reel tapes are reported by some to be the best analog recording.

Kevin

[cheezyflier]

we did a demo on once (back in the day) on a reel set up with 16 tracks. it was high falutin stuff back in 1983 when you only had a couple hundred bucks. :icon_lol: i'm glad no one knows where that tape is now.
there's no way we were as good as i remember us being. :icon_lol:

[grunau_baby]

Well, his newer stuff sounds better than their older stuff. Too much punk and, sadly bad mixing (a usual characteristic of older music in the more alternative genres, e.g. albums from Fugazi and Quicksand). Too little bassThat what "real" alternative was all about, DIRT!;-) Actually the thing I am missing most with modern digitally mastered music! If you like it better produced try their following albums: Candy Apple Grey (last and best), Flip your wig (solidly produced rather tame), Warehouse (a bit trashy surfpunklike sounding)

[Bjoern]

That what "real" alternative was all about, DIRT!;-)

Yay, let's stay true punk, baby! :cool: :icon_lol:


Actually the thing I am missing most with modern digitally mastered music! If you like it better produced try their following albums: Candy Apple Grey (last and best), Flip your wig (solidly produced rather tame), Warehouse (a bit trashy surfpunklike sounding)

I'll check them out should the need arise.

Until then, I'll stick to my cleanly produced, modern alternative. :icon_lol: