DC-3

[RyanJames170]

has anyone made a good DC-3 ie payware or freeware??
if not why hasn't anyone its like the most important airliner/transport to the Boeing 707 and DC8

[Daube]

has anyone made a good DC-3 ie payware or freeware??
if not why hasn't anyone its like the most important airliner/transport to the Boeing 707 and DC8
Perhaps because the default one is already really good, so I don't think we'll see any freeware alternative soon.

There's one, payware, for FS9 I believe...

[dswo]

I too would buy a payware-quality, native-model DC-3 for FSX.

[Daube]

Of course, a payware quality DC-3, like Accusim, would be totally great.
But for freeware... I just don't feel the need for it, because the default one pleases me a lot :jump:

http://sapdaube.free.fr/fsx/daube_image1035.jpg

[Bjoern]

The default one totally does the trick.

[Ferry_vO]

Try a search at Avsim for "as4sumjejm.zip" which includes several upgraded default models.

Edit: Nevermind, file not available anymore at Avsim..

[roger-wilco-66]

What about MAAM's R4D / C-47 / DC-3? Ok, it's not native FSX, and needs some tweaking, but I still like to fly that one. Graphicwise it looks a little outdated, but I think it is superior to the default FSX version. I've been using this for many years now, almost from the beginning, when they first released it.
MAAM seems to work on a completely new, native FSX DC-3, but it will not be before the years end until they release it.

A accusim DC-e would be a blast, without doubt!!


Cheers,
Mark


PS: these pictures I have attached are three year old and FS9 (except the hump C-47).

[kilo delta]

Okay...not a DC-3....but if ya squint a bit ;) :d ..... Team Uiver's DC-2 http://home.hccnet.nl/r.cappers/dc2/ . A fantastic addon with a huge amounts of available repaints. :)

[tigisfat]

Try a search at Avsim for "as4sumjejm.zip" which includes several upgraded default models.

Edit: Nevermind, file not available anymore at Avsim..


That's too bad, I was hoping that someone would reskin the default DC-3's VC. Maybe some shinier bare metal textures more in line with the default P-51. I'd be all over it.

[kilo delta]

Try a search at Avsim for "as4sumjejm.zip" which includes several upgraded default models.

Edit: Nevermind, file not available anymore at Avsim..


FSX - FSX Propliners
FSX Douglas DC-3 Awesome 4Some
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Name: as4sumje.zip Size: 53,388,198 Date: 06-05-2007 Downloads: 2,467
FSX Douglas DC-3 Awesome 4Some. A modification of the default DC-3 that includes four different models (DC-3 normal, DC-3 Viewmaster, DC-3 cargo, and LC-47). Remodel includes higher resolution textures, unmirrored tail texture and conditional appearance items. Paints included: NAC, NAC Freight, SPANZ, Fieldair, United Airlines and more. Requires default installation of DC3. By James Eden and Jon Murchison.

[CG_1976]

FSX Douglas DC-3 Awesome 4Some is a excellent choice in Freeware. I need to find someone who paints this Dc-3, Needs Buffalo Colors.

[Ferry_vO]

FSX - FSX Propliners
FSX Douglas DC-3 Awesome 4Some
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Thanks, I noticed the filename is different at Flightsim.com; guess there's still stuck in the 'use only eight characters in a filename' DOS age.. ;)

[Daube]

Kilo Delta and Ferry_vO, thanks a lot for showing me this package.
I didn't know at all about it, and it sounds really interesting. I'll take a look at it right now :ernae:

[RyanJames170]

FSX - FSX Propliners
FSX Douglas DC-3 Awesome 4Some
[ Download | View ]

Name: as4sumje.zip Size: 53,388,198 Date: 06-05-2007 Downloads: 2,467
FSX Douglas DC-3 Awesome 4Some. A modification of the default DC-3 that includes four different models (DC-3 normal, DC-3 Viewmaster, DC-3 cargo, and LC-47). Remodel includes higher resolution textures, unmirrored tail texture and conditional appearance items. Paints included: NAC, NAC Freight, SPANZ, Fieldair, United Airlines and more. Requires default installation of DC3. By James Eden and Jon Murchison.


could you prvide a link to this?? i could not find it i found something similar but it didnt work

thank you

[kilo delta]

could you prvide a link to this?? i could not find it i found something similar but it didnt work

thank you

It's available on Flightsim... http://flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=112529 :wavey:

[RyanJames170]

Tanks KD

[cheezyflier]

the default one is nice but they didn't have counter rotating props.

[RyanJames170]

the default one is nice but they didn't have counter rotating props.

i agree and that makes me mad lol

[PRB]

the default one is nice but they didn't have counter rotating props.

have you tried adding the rotation parameter to the [propeller] section of the aircraft.cfg?

[propeller]
thrust_scalar=1.0
rotation=1,1 //Engine 1,2,3,... Rotation direction. 1 = CW, -1 = CCW
propeller_type= 0 //0='Constant Speed' (variable pitch), 1=Fixed Pitch
propeller_diameter= 11.500
propeller_blades= 3
propeller_moi= 39.920
beta_max= 57.700 //57.7 at 46 inch radius point, AHT p. 178
beta_min= 22.700 //22.7 at 46 inch radius point
min_gov_rpm= 1200.000
prop_tc= 0.020
gear_reduction_ratio= 2.100 //ref see AHT p. 175 (other sources say 2.0, and a few even say ~1.8)
fixed_pitch_beta= 0.000
low_speed_theory_limit= 80.000
prop_sync_available= 0
prop_deice_available= 0
prop_feathering_available= 1
prop_auto_feathering_available= 0
min_rpm_for_feather= 0.0
beta_feather= 89.5

[mjahn]

On the drawing board ...

http://home.arcor.de/edug/47_06a.jpg

[kilo delta]

I forgot to mention....there's also a freeware Basler BT-67 turboprop version. See http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=27277&pagenumber=

[anthony31]

You guys do know that there is a 3D Max model of the default DC-3 in the SDK?

Modeling SDK\SDSM7\Samples\Douglas_DC3

[roger-wilco-66]

MJahn, wow, looks good! :ernae: Care to elaborate a little?

It would be great if someone could do a repaint of "Margie" with a nicely weathered and beat up livery , see attachment. That would fit right into the FSX Solomon 1943 scenario.


Cheers,
Mark

[cheezyflier]

have you tried adding the rotation parameter to the [propeller] section of the aircraft.cfg?

[propeller]
thrust_scalar=1.0
rotation=1,1 //Engine 1,2,3,... Rotation direction. 1 = CW, -1 = CCW
propeller_type= 0 //0='Constant Speed' (variable pitch), 1=Fixed Pitch
propeller_diameter= 11.500
propeller_blades= 3
propeller_moi= 39.920
beta_max= 57.700 //57.7 at 46 inch radius point, AHT p. 178
beta_min= 22.700 //22.7 at 46 inch radius point
min_gov_rpm= 1200.000
prop_tc= 0.020
gear_reduction_ratio= 2.100 //ref see AHT p. 175 (other sources say 2.0, and a few even say ~1.8)
fixed_pitch_beta= 0.000
low_speed_theory_limit= 80.000
prop_sync_available= 0
prop_deice_available= 0
prop_feathering_available= 1
prop_auto_feathering_available= 0
min_rpm_for_feather= 0.0
beta_feather= 89.5

will this make the props turn in the right direction or just add the torque one would experience if they did?

[robcap]

On the drawing board ...
Looking mighty good, but still a long way to go ;-) Keep up the good work Manfred.
Cheers, Rob

PS in the mean time you can the try DC2 :d (Thanks Kilo Delta....:ernae:) Remember: No DC3 without the DC2

[Tim_Horton]

It will only make it fly like it would, with CCW prop. The animation part of that is during the GMAX or, 3dsmax production. As for the SDK version I used it to create a FULL VC for the DC-3, including the right hand wing and engine. The only trouble is that all the elevators and flaps need to be reanimated and linked. Otherwise it looks awesome! I was working on a true Balsner Turbo engine for it, but have got lost in other projects right now. I did use the SDK dc3 to create a Broken up scenery object for SAR mission. Looks good, wings smashed engine parts strewn all over!

[mjahn]

Thanks Rob - I'm staring at the DC-2 paintkit as we speak trying to second-guess the materials setup. This is an attempt at coming to grips with FSX. Talk of a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma... Texture layout is like this, provisionally, 2048 size, intentionally repainter fiendly, as you can see, but that's all so far.

http://home.arcor.de/edug/47_06b.jpg

[Tim_Horton]

For repaint detail it would be best to have the textures split up. if that is going to be the 2048, I know from experience that adding small words and decals are going to be useless. Personally i don't mind textures split up into multiples as long as they line up properly.

[cheezyflier]

Talk of a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma...

so, kinda like turducken then? :icon_lol:

[RyanJames170]

On the drawing board ...

http://home.arcor.de/edug/47_06a.jpg

looks very cool man, oh btw look into the "alternate" engine varients and the ones that possibly had the dc-2 like R1820's 9 cylinder radials.. i would love to see one of the early 9 cylinder variant, but its totaly up to you man

[robcap]

Hi Manfred,

Looking great there! 2048 should do fine for a DC3 size plane. For more close-up detail you could split it up, but lining up is the problem.
I see you map the top of the fuselage seperately. That's a great idea. You can also map the rest of the bottom (behind the wing) separately.
When you have questions, on material setup or anything, you can mail or PM me.

Cheers, Rob

[mjahn]

Great, Rob, will take you up on that.

Thanks,
Manfred

[CG_1976]

One can never have enough DC-2's and DC-3's or BT-67's:jump:Thank you to all who develop and model these aircraft be it pay or freeware.

[Cleartheprop]

I too would buy a payware-quality, native-model DC-3 for FSX.

+1

[RyanJames170]

+1

same here man,

we need a good one thats more up to date with whats curently posible with FSX

[krazycolin]

alternatively, you can map it at 4096 x 2048 and that will allow you to get the fuselage in... then you can do another one (or three) at 2K x 2K for the wings and "extras".

this is what we're doing now... It also means that you can then reduce easily for those who are unlucky enough to have slower and older putes...

kc

[mjahn]

This is the size I get @ 2048, and it's more than I usually get, I am afraid 4096 would put tons of pressure on me to get each individual rivet right... This is just an experimental draft, looks far too blotchy and gets nowhere near what the DC-2 parades in. And may have to be done radically differently anyway considering the materials options available under FSX. But it's a beginning ... I hope.

http://home.arcor.de/edug/47_06c.jpg

[Tim-HH]

Hi Manfred,

only an experimental draft? :icon_eek: The texture looks excellent! :applause:

Greetings
Tim

[lifejogger]

That looks great, I am looking forward to the finished product.

[Marvin Carter]

Try here, some neat stuff!!!
http://www.dc3airways.com/

[Marvin Carter]

Here is my DC3 VC,I would upload but I would be stepping on some texure copywight toes!!!
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Marvin-56/DC3-1.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Marvin-56/DC3-2.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Marvin-56/DC3-3.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Marvin-56/DC3-4.jpg

[Bjoern]

Here is my DC3 VC,I would upload but I would be stepping on some texure copywight toes!!!

Provided the textures are not from payware aircraft...why not just ask the original authors for permission?

[Tim_Horton]

if it is up for free, then it is open to public use. A little wine, a little cheese, some body makes a complaint, this is not high school, your not going to be pulled into the principle office and asked to write a 500 page report on it. Just do it, Like tiger woods! I would love to see a court case, when technically they don't know who you are or where you live. So the documents cannot be published in a court of law, considering the court could be in a different country all together. It is a international Law loop hole.

[wiltzei]

That´s a noticable improvement to the default 3, but is it just me, but I don´t enjoy as much noways, unless the VC includes 3d gauges etc. The "default" 2d whiskey compass looks especially awful.

Maybe I´ll try the payware DC-2 someday.

[RyanJames170]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ei-P0bB9iA&feature=related

btw this is the R-1820 DC-3

[Marvin Carter]

The grey ones textures is from the Maam DC3, the green one is from the Russan DC3, alot of cut , paste and copy, some free hand, best i coulld do with out a paint program!!!

[robcap]

@ Manfred,

That texture is already looking good. We have pretty good results with 2kx2k textures, and small letters (let's say 8 cm on the real plane)

@Ryan James:
Nice vid, Firts DC3 had the same engines as the DC2, Wright 1820-s
when I watched it, I found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UULJiM0Wefo&NR=1
Don't mind the jet at the beginning (also pretty neat), the radial starts @ 1.10 :kilroy:

Cheers, Rob

[mjahn]

Here's another great DC-3 site:

http://www.douglasdc3.com/index.html

And for a well-done video review of the Uiver DC-2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN-YhiNdchs&feature=related

Great looking VC shots Marvin. Where do I find "the Russian DC-3"?

My version, you will have noticed, has the tailcone clipped so it should be able to do some glider towing business...

[peter12213]

I love the sound it makes at 1.33 to 1.35 just before it fires it sounds awesome!

[Marvin Carter]

Russian FSX Lisunov Li-2 Demo
http://www.flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=133959