Textures

[Milton Shupe]

Use this thread for livery or texture discussions please.

[pilottj]

Milton, If I may, I would like ask that we dedicate this thread to Leon Louis and Heather Sherman. We know Leon is in a better place at that great paint hangar in the sky. The guys at the club haven't heard from Heather in a long while and it was known her health wasn't in the best. I hope and pray that she is doing ok and returns to our hobby soon. If she is no longer with us I hope she is with Leon, together painting a great canvas of sky.

Gentlemen, could you imagine how hot this bird would look if Heather or Leon were to put their sense of art and color on it's textures? I think they would be masterpeices of artwork.

Thank you, and with that, let your artwork begin.

TJ

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f349/pilottj/flightsim/hslltrib.jpg

[Willy]

I agree wholeheartedly with TJ.

[Epsillon]

Milton, If I may, I would like ask that we dedicate this thread to Leon Louis and Heather Sherman. We know Leon is in a better place at that great paint hangar in the sky. The guys at the club haven't heard from Heather in a long while and it was known her health wasn't in the best. I hope and pray that she is doing ok and returns to our hobby soon. If she is no longer with us I hope she is with Leon, together painting a great canvas of sky.

Gentlemen, could you imagine how hot this bird would look if Heather or Leon were to put their sense of art and color on it's textures? I think they would be masterpeices of artwork.

Thank you, and with that, let your artwork begin.

TJ

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f349/pilottj/flightsim/hslltrib.jpg
All is said.
I agree. :medals:

Stephan

[Milton Shupe]

Truly two great contributors and artists. Thank you. :applause:

[Windrunner]

Agreed! a nice start.

[MudMarine]

Excellent idea TJ! The A-26 project is a testiment to a truely outstanding community! S/F Mud

[whitehawk_2009]

I'm looking for profiles online, but am not having much luck. OUr friend Jaxon from the CFS2 forum only had two that I could find.

WH

[gzr_groundhog]

check the 13th site http://www.13thbombsquadron.org/planes.html you might could contact them as they have a lot of information not on line.

[Windrunner]

Cool site indeed. I like Able at Iwakuni.

[michael gregg]

heres a few profiles http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/a/294/21/0, i think im going to do a couple of the oddball countries birds

[Dag]

Hmm..... VERY Interesting project this, may I have a look at textures/repaint kit? :ernae:

Whatta community!!!!:applause:

[Milton Shupe]

Hmm..... VERY Interesting project this, may I have a look at textures/repaint kit? :ernae:

Whatta community!!!!:applause:

Hi Dag, :)

The model development is just starting. It will be awhile before a paint kit is ready. Do research, be ready, have fun.

Milton

[Dag]

Hi Dag, :)

The model development is just starting. It will be awhile before a paint kit is ready. Do research, be ready, have fun.

Milton


Yeah, actually what I meant, just a bit super enthusiastic here :applause:

I got USAF Korean/SEA repaints in mind, I think I have good ref in several issues of Wings of Fame and International Air Power Review.

Best

[viking3]

This little project just keeps getting bigger and better.:applause:

Regards, Rob:ernae:

[whitehawk_2009]

I found a couple of pics on Airliners.net:

http://www1.airliners.net/open.file/1040642/L/
http://www1.airliners.net/open.file/0231415/L/
Hope they help!


WH

[Spectre]

Hello my friends,
First, I´d like to thank you for your initiative...
I´d like to help more, but all I can do is paint, so... I´ll do the brazilian air force (FAB) repaints for this bird.
Regards,
Spectre

[Gnoopey]

preparing for the upcoming 'texturing marathon', I had dug out the tools, went after Bomber_12th's 'roadmap template' and did some warming up with the ol' GZR model in GMAX and unWrap3D.

Now that Milton is doing seven mile steps with the exterior modeling, I can already 'feel the increasing pressure' ;)

[Milton Shupe]

LOL Gnoopey :costumes:

I still have lots of stuff to change with the exterior model, the details just getting started. But, as soon as I feel she is stabilized somewhat, I'll send the gmax source.

Actually if you want a practice copy, I'll send what I have now. :wiggle:

[Gnoopey]

LOL Gnoopey :costumes:

I still have lots of stuff to change with the exterior model, the details just getting started. But, as soon as I feel she is stabilized somewhat, I'll send the gmax source.

Actually if you want a practice copy, I'll send what I have now. :wiggle:

I can wait for the stabilized version Milton ;) Or I'll take the also the one that'll go for FDE development and will try to map the main parts like fuselage, wings and empennage as fast as possible so that the FM tests could be a tad bit less 'eye soring' ;)

Just kidding - I will be 'restricted' mostly to weekends till x-mas ... so I can wait.

[Milton Shupe]

But ... but ... Tom, certainly the wife will understand if you took off a couple of weeks, dedicated yourself over the holidays to the spirit of SOH community Christmas to do mapping??? :costumes: Just kidding my friend. :mixedsmi: The pressure is off now. ;)

[Milton Shupe]

Heyyyy Gno-o-o-o-o-p-y!!! Are you ready to start mapping??? hehe

I have two more corrections to make to the exterior skin and I will send you the gMax source for this bad boy! :jump:

[Gnoopey]

Heyyyy Gno-o-o-o-o-p-y!!! Are you ready to start mapping??? hehe

I have two more corrections to make to the exterior skin and I will send you the gMax source for this bad boy! :jump:

... yeah, guess I'll be ready when you're through with the mesh :kilroy: :applause: :ernae:

[Milton Shupe]

Okay, let's communicate by email so we set some ground rules for control/update/communication of changes.

EDIT: Email and A-26B is headed to LSZB :)

EDIT 2: Folks, this model was started December 1st with calibration boxes. Today, Dec 25th it left NM, USA and is headed for Switzerland for texture mapping. The exterior model contains 292 objects/parts and is about 1.9MB in FS, and 28K polys. So, we are off to a decent start and now await the next phase of the project. Once Gnoopey and I are comfortable about the "goodness" of the mesh, and he starts, the gMax source will also be sent to stiz for the VC Interior model development.

Cheers to you Gnoopey :ernae:

[Epsillon]

Okay, let's communicate by email so we set some ground rules for control/update/communication of changes.

EDIT: Email and A-26B is headed to LSZB :)

EDIT 2: Folks, this model was started December 1st with calibration boxes. Today, Dec 25th it left NM, USA and is headed for Switzerland for texture mapping. The exterior model contains 292 objects/parts and is about 1.9MB in FS, and 28K polys. So, we are off to a decent start and now await the next phase of the project. Once Gnoopey and I are comfortable about the "goodness" of the mesh, and he starts, the gMax source will also be sent to stiz for the VC Interior model development.

Cheers to you Gnoopey :ernae:
:santahat: :medals: :santahat:

[Gregory Paul]

Wow Milton that model looks great! I'm ready to add some paint to her.

[Milton Shupe]

Thanks GP :)

Gnoopey, how is progress on the mapping?

[Milton Shupe]

Since Gnoopey has a full plate right now, I volunteered to step back in to do the texture mapping. We have the skins mapped and are trying a few alternatives to make improvements. Here is the "coat of many colors". Sorry, I had to use the g'kids water colors but they go well with the "flower power" colors of the late 50's and early 60's. :costumes:

[MudMarine]

Far out Man, Groovey!! Can't wait!!:jump: S/F MudMarine

[modelr]

We should all have that "scheme" in our virtual "restoration" hanger, with the SOH team board on it. Any scenery makers up to making the hanger??:isadizzy:

[Bomber_12th]

The texturing is progressing very smoothly - I just finished laying the preliminary panel lines - still have to outline the fillets. Next up is the rivets, and now I have to find references on the rivet lines. If anyone has any diagrams, photos, or model photos that show the rivet lines that would be great!

The stars are just in there for inspiration. :d

(Some panel lines look as if they're cutoff, but that is just because of the model glare.)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5962/invaderpaint7ws.jpg

[EMatheson]

:jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop:

[Milton Shupe]

Excellent progress Bomber!! :applause: This is exciting!:jump:

[fliger747]

Never watched sausage being made before, from start to finish!

[Milton Shupe]

Never watched sausage being made before, from start to finish!

Trust me Fliger ... we have saved you from the gorey stuff, the bowels and innards aren't fittin' for public consumption ... until it becomes sausage of course. :costumes:

[skyhawka4m]

Bomber have you seen these pages before?



http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/a26.html
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/a26-2.html

[Epsillon]

The texturing is progressing very smoothly - I just finished laying the preliminary panel lines - still have to outline the fillets. Next up is the rivets, and now I have to find references on the rivet lines. If anyone has any diagrams, photos, or model photos that show the rivet lines that would be great!

The stars are just in there for inspiration. :d

(Some panel lines look as if they're cutoff, but that is just because of the model glare.)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5962/invaderpaint7ws.jpg
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[CybrSlydr]

Well, here's some news for you folks. :)

I've been in contact over the past few weeks with the Air Force Museum in Dayton about getting some quality time with their A-26 and my camera.

Depending on how things go, we might have some high-res photos to use for a texture set as well. :)

And I don't mean just the exterior. ;)

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=285

EDIT: Just read Bomber's post - if this goes through, I'll make sure to get some rivet lines for ya. :)

[Milton Shupe]

Excellent work CS :ernae: Nice pics on that site too. Greatly appreciated!

[CybrSlydr]

Doing what I can. :)

Just to clarify - the pics on the site I linked aren't mine - they're from the Air Force. I've not had a chance to do anything yet.

Still in the "requesting" phase. :)

[Gregory Paul]

Looking good B-12

[Spranget]

This is so exciting!!!!! I almost peed my pants:redf: ..,.....Bomber once again, You never stop amazing us!!!!:ernae: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Bomber_12th]

Thank you guys, I'm very excited too! I've been laying some paint lately and thought that for those who like following the process might like to see some progress. There is still about 20-25 hours of time left to be spent on it, it is really just the base.

Some things that I've found from viewing the model now with paint is that the model shine should probably be only half of what it is currently, the model needs to be alpha channel compatible, and the windows still need texturing.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6619/sowyk1.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5303/sow2jt7.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6193/sow3hn7.jpg

[thudpilot]

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http://www.alphasim3.com/forums/Smileys/default/peace.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)

Oh boy, I realize those were only test shots but she sure looks sweet
with some cloths on. I'll bet that when Milton see's them he is going
to swell up with pride like a big balloon!


http://www.alphasim3.com/forums/Smileys/default/joker3.gif (javascript:void(0);)

[Milton Shupe]

Thank you guys, I'm very excited too! I've been laying some paint lately and thought that for those who like following the process might like to see some progress. There is still about 20-25 hours of time left to be spent on it, it is really just the base.

Some things that I've found from viewing the model now with paint is that the model shine should probably be only half of what it is currently, the model needs to be alpha channel compatible, and the windows still need texturing.
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6193/sow3hn7.jpg
Bomber,

Are you viewing in FSX or FS9?

LOL thudpilot. Actually, I see no pictures ... just little red X's in boxes. :banghead:

[Gregory Paul]

When do I get to work of her?

[Bomber_12th]

It's in FS9 Milton, and those shots of the glass look great!

There is also a bare metal scheme that I am testing out and it should provide a good base for most repaints, bare or not, though that will be under the paint brush for quite some time yet as well. This is just scratching the surface and there is plenty of things left to do...only 35 layers per texture so-far, so that leaves about 115 per texture left, lol.

[Milton Shupe]

John,

I just emailed to you an updated model with the requested changes. I can't do much with the specular until I have something to look at but I suspect once you get this model that applies your alphas, you will see a difference in how the specular appears.

Why can I not see your posted pictures?

[Bomber_12th]

Thanks Milton, I'll have to go and check my mail.

I can't understand why you can't see them, but here they are attached...

[Milton Shupe]

Ah, okay, I do see these attached pictures Bomber ... great! :isadizzy: :applause:

115 layers left??!! Good grief!!

[MudMarine]

Just incredible, outstanding, awesome!! S/F MudMarine

[Bomber_12th]

Its gotta have some dirt, rain, and grease stains, and some wind rippled metal too. :d

[Blackbird686]

That is SWEET, Bomber!!!:applause: :applause: I once visited the Commemorative Air Force when it was still in Harlingen, Texas and when it was also known as something else. Well anyway I saw an A-26 Hardnose there and the nose art was a characature of "Daisy Mae", (remember 'lil Abner?). Below the image of that fine young woman was the name "Daisey Mae". The plane was in superb condition, although I never saw it fly. The image of that A-26 sitll sticks in my mind and I think that skin would be a great candidate for this fine A-26 model that is comming together here.

Just a thought,

BB686:USA-flag:

[flyboyhunt05]

:jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: Damn Bomber that paint looks good!

[Col_GCO]

Bomber, that is absolutely amazing. fantastic work. :ernae:

And Milton, the model looks just as incredible. I can hardly wait for the project to be finished. :applause:

:medals: :medals:

GCO

[viking3]

You are off to a marvelous start there Bomber.:applause: Can't wait to see what the final schemes are gonna look like.

Regards, Rob:ernae:

[Epsillon]

Thanks Milton, I'll have to go and check my mail.

I can't understand why you can't see them, but here they are attached...
Amazing job, Bomber !!! Now we can say that the A-26 is definitively alive...

Regards

Stephan

[whitehawk_2009]

Just amazing!! I wish I could do that.

WH

[INVADER67]

Just .... WOW....
:wavey:
Denis

[Milton Shupe]

Is this area large enough to accommodate your variations of nose art?

[Moses03]

Its gotta have some dirt, rain, and grease stains, and some wind rippled metal too. :d

Don't be shy with the dirt, grease etc. :d

Nice B12-

Moses

[modelr]

:jump: :ernae: :applause: :applause: :medals: :medals:

Fantastic Bomber, just beautiful!

[Willy]

Is this area large enough to accommodate your variations of nose art?

I think I can find something to fill that space...

"This Space For Rent"?

[Milton Shupe]

I think I can find something to fill that space...

"This Space For Rent"?

Bomber_12th's nose art is in the paint so the DECAL is not being used here. As you can see, there is no impact to not using the decal for the nose art.

[Gregory Paul]

Is this area large enough to accommodate your variations of nose art?

Well I don't have the aircraft to look at but if there are going to be any paint's using a wrap around shark mouth it might need some more help there.

[Milton Shupe]

Well I don't have the aircraft to look at but if there are going to be any paint's using a wrap around shark mouth it might need some more help there.

That must be in the paint ... the decal will not cover the whole nose.

The mapping and paint kit and model have a long way to go here. We're just getting started. :wiggle:

[Willy]

Actually, I was thinking about a decal with This Space For Rent... :d

[Bomber_12th]

I think doing a wrap around shark mouth will be just fine with the normal mapping, especially since you have both sides of the nose, the bottom of the nose, and the front of the nose, you won't need to worry about stretching.

[thudpilot]

Milton,

A question from someone still trying to learn. :redf:

Will the nose art decal have a possible negative impact on the alignment of a few anti-glare panels
that some texture artists will want to paint in? From all appearances that section on the top where
it spikes up might overlap a bit too much.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i23/thudpilot/decalarea2.jpg

[Gregory Paul]

I think doing a wrap around shark mouth will be just fine with the normal mapping, especially since you have both sides of the nose, the bottom of the nose, and the front of the nose, you won't need to worry about stretching.

Well you would know as you have the model and the basic texture set to see but I don't have that stuff.

[Bomber_12th]

Cliff, the decal will be transparent in areas around the nose art so only the nose art will show in that area of the decal. The base main texture below will cover all other aspects in that area as well as the rest of the aircraft. I aslo believe that the decal will be extended up to the next line or two on the nose, the same level as the point on that 'spike' or higher.

[thudpilot]

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Thanks John! :wavey:

[Willy]

Those decals are as the best thing since sliced bread for painters. Do your basic paint and then have all the fun you want with the decal bitmap.

Just to give an idea of how it works, I'm attaching some bits of the B-26 Merc Air Marauder (Dave Eckart's) that I reworked Windrunner's RAF paint for.

1) the basic decal. On this aircraft it shows on both sides.

2) this the alpha channel panel for it. All the pure black areas will be clear see-thru in FS.

3) Left side in the sim

4) Right side in the sim.

Pretty simple and beats having to paint the nose art directly onto the fuselage bitmaps

[Milton Shupe]

Actually, I was thinking about a decal with This Space For Rent... :d

:costumes: You need to get to work on that one right now Willy.

[Henry]

i think the tek version
could work
H

[Milton Shupe]

This is the new, revised, larger DECAL Nose Art and Credits area in green.

[Epsillon]

This is the new, revised, larger DECAL Nose Art and Credits area in green.
I think this will be enough, Milton...:costumes:

[Willy]

Dunno.. Gotta make sure that I get "Eat at Joe's" visible from 20,000ft :d

[Gregory Paul]

This is the new, revised, larger DECAL Nose Art and Credits area in green.

That looks good Milton

[Milton Shupe]

Thanks GP, Epsillon, Willy ... Hopefully we have the bulk of the needs met with that. :jump:

[Bomber_12th]

'The other' texture in progress...this one too still needs a lot of dirtying-up, even more so than Spirit Of Waco. ;)

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1571/a26hx2.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4267/a262er7.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4325/a263dv2.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5844/a264wi2.jpg

[NAMBUS]

Excellent work. :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Really starting to look the part.

[Milton Shupe]

That is looking so awesome Bomber ... I took a couple of pics too, and although they may not have all your updates, they have some of mine. :jump:

[thudpilot]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i23/thudpilot/A-26_camo.jpg

[Marlin]

OUTSTANDING!!

[fliger747]

Starting to look very convincing!

Tom...

[Epsillon]

Splendid work, B12th !!! :medals: :medals:

[MudMarine]

WOW!! Just beautiful!! I'm so EXCITED!! :applause: :applause: :applause: S/F MudMarine

[Leafhopper]

WOW! For the first time in my life I have experienced an optical orgasim!

[Scratch]

OUTSTANDING!!



What Marlin said! Dang, it's beautiful:ernae:

[MudMarine]

Right on Scratch! She's turning into one of the most beautiful planes I've ever seen for flight sim......period! S/F MudMarine

[Spranget]

I agree with Mud.....The team putting this together is a dreamteam!!!!!

[Col_GCO]

Wholeheartedly agree with everything single thing that's been said. Superb works guys. Absolutely amazing. :ernae: :ernae: :applause: :applause:

GCO

[MCDesigns]

Been popping in on this project when I have the time and all I can say is WOW! She is a beauty, great job everyone all the way around. Milton, amazing visual model, you are a true artist!

Can't wait to see what Stiz does with the VC.

[Gregory Paul]

ok...ok...When do I get to put some paint on her?

[MudMarine]

ya, right GP, you just want to fly her, LOL! I'd love to see you throw some paint on her!! I know you'd do her justice!! S/F Mud

[BillgjCook]

Can't wait to fly this bird.:cost1:

[Cirrus N210MS]

wow thats one sweet bird i seen one of them not to long ago at one of the airports

[Cirrus N210MS]

if you want i can make help with painting you know i do good work

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c134/BigMike_2006/T34CD34.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c134/BigMike_2006/2006-10-29_17-21-41-875.jpg

Two of my Fav repaints i did

[goochie]

Looks like you boys are doing a great job. My old boss back in 1971 had a A26, two of them actually. One was in pieces (gear up landing) the second one was in fine shape. It wasn't flown on a regular basis but once in a while he would haul it out. The bomb bay was converted for comfort seating and the entrance was a set of airstairs built into the bomb bay doors. Love to know where it went after he died.

[GZR_Sactargets]

The current issue of Air Force Magazine has several pages of Color Photos. It is related to the Korean War. Some Nose art etc for the B-29 and the A-26. Try your local library if you are not a subscriber.

[Gregory Paul]

ya, right GP, you just want to fly her, LOL! I'd love to see you throw some paint on her!! I know you'd do her justice!! S/F Mud

Yeah that's it.....No really I thought I signed up to be part of the paint team back just when the project was just an idea. I guess not. Oh well...

[Milton Shupe]

Yeah that's it.....No really I thought I signed up to be part of the paint team back just when the project was just an idea. I guess not. Oh well...

GP, I ask that you ease up a bit please. We haven't even gotten the base textures done. When they are done, the paint kit will be prepared. Then everyone will have the tools the do the job right taking advantage of all the details that will be done for you.

At best we are 6 weeks away from release, probably 8 realistically. We are working as fast as we can go to deliver a quality product. All will be available in due time.

[Gregory Paul]

GP, I ask that you ease up a bit please. We haven't even gotten the base textures done. When they are done, the paint kit will be prepared. Then everyone will have the tools the do the job right taking advantage of all the details that will be done for you.

At best we are 6 weeks away from release, probably 8 realistically. We are working as fast as we can go to deliver a quality product. All will be available in due time.


Easing up.....I was/am just asking questions here nothing more. I thought when I said I would help with the painting I would be making or helping make the paint kit for the aircraft. I guess it was not clear to me what my part would be. Now I know where I stand. Now i'm off to play some more Battlefield 2 (that game is fun).:engel016:

[Bomber_12th]

Closer yet to the final exterior...just finished adding exhaust stains, access panels, some paint scraping, leaks, more rivets, a new propeller spinning texture, new engine textures (thanks to Thudpilot!), and more. The wheel wells and doors are done, and the interior of the exterior is in progress. :)

Now I can't wait to see what this looks like with a pilot and perhaps some crew figures too! :d

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3365/a26newhi5.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8145/a26new2rk4.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1477/a26new3nz3.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/285/a26new4qc9.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8251/a26new5ts4.jpg

[Epsillon]

:medals: Pure beauty !!! :medals:

[fliger747]

Dang B-12, quit throwing in those photos of the real plane!

Cheers: T.

[MCDesigns]

Bomber, looks like you have an engine out in that last shot. PLEASE don't crash her before we get a chance to fly her!:costumes:

[pointy31]

[quote=MCDesigns;352652]Bomber, looks like you have an engine out in that last shot. PLEASE don't crash her before we get a chance to fly her!:costumes:




You silly goose, that's the SPARE engine ...:costumes:

[Spranget]

:greenbo: :greenbo: :greenbo: :greenbo: :greenbo: :greenbo: :greenbo: :greenbo: :greenbo: :greenbo: I'm Jumpin' with Joy. Can't wait. This thing is absolutely gorgeous. And I agree, quit teasing us with those real photos John!!!!!

[nightshade]

That's it!!!
I'm buying everyone a beer
:ernae::ernae::ernae::ernae:
Cheers

[MudMarine]

WOW!! Did I say WOW!! S/F MudMarine

[Milton Shupe]

She gets better each day ... and in more ways than one. :wiggle:

Here I show off Bomber's latest texture updates with engine shape mods done today and cowl flaps that I put on a diet last night to thin them out.

[flyboyhunt05]

She gets better each day ... and in more ways than one. :wiggle:

Here I show off Bomber's latest texture updates with engine shape mods done today and cowl flaps that I put on a diet last night to thin them out.


:jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: She looks great Milton and Bomber! This thing is going to be worth all the waiting!

[Adz]

That is a very nice plane.

[Bomber_12th]

This aircraft progresses by miles each week. :)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2096/a26new6hq8.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9417/a26new7gc7.jpg

[flyboyhunt05]

:jawdrop: She is just drop dead pretty! This plane is going to be great!

[Milton Shupe]

... and we finally put something in there for JAVIS' pilot to hold on to. :wiggle:

[pointy31]

It just keeps gettin gooder 'n gooder ! :applause: Amazing what a dedicated team can do, ain't it ? If it gets much better, I will have to hire someone to help me enjoy it... :d

[flyboyhunt05]

It just keeps gettin gooder 'n gooder !

Sounds like your from Texas there Pointy. We always use words like that there one.:d

[pointy31]

Well, Luckenbach is my second home, spend a lot of time there...:ernae:

It don't get much gooder 'n Luckenbach !!! :applause:

[Quicksand]

This plane is going to be absolutely drop-dead gorgeous! My hat is tipped to all the wonderful people who are making this happen. I don't really have the know-how to help, but I have learned that building a plane for FS is at least as difficult an undertaking as building one in the "real" world. You guys are fantastic................:applause: :ernae: :medals:

[Milton Shupe]

Here's another for your desktop background. I took this while awaiting DCC and Willy's landings at YCOE last night during their RTW practice flights. She was "purdy" sittin' there at the South Pacific Island airport just off the side of the runway with Paul and Taco. :wiggle:

[modelr]

Drop-dead Gorgeous!! And she isn't even finished, yet. :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop:

[Henry]

i was speechless a few weeks ago
i think ive died an gone to heaven now:applause:
LOL
H

[Willy]

No wonder Milton didn't want to fly a practice leg last night.. He might have put a scratch on that beauty and I don't blame him!

[MudMarine]

and my wife had to have the computer last night.......:banghead: S/F MudMarine

[Milton Shupe]

This picture is a credit to Bomber's textures ... late day sun brings out the age in the paint. Gosh, I wonder how it will look by the time she's released! :d

[Marlin]

ohhh yummy

[Milton Shupe]

LOL So I was saying to the wife, "I pulled into Tri-Cities and cooled the engines and shut down, and looked to my left, ... well I'll be danged!" I said. "What's the chances of an A-26 Invader and two Spartan Executives parked on the same ramp?" "Wow!"

[EMatheson]

In that last pic.....
is it mushy tires I see?.....!!!

[Milton Shupe]

LOL No, I have chosen not to use that feature on this aircraft. The tires look nice without it. :mixedsmi:

[EMatheson]

Thanks... I was wondering because te rear wheels look somewhat sunk into the ground on that last pic...

[Milton Shupe]

Well, let's see, if you were made of rubber and was full of air, then someone placed 30,000 pounds on you .... :d

[skyhawka4m]

hey you know what...I just realized this scheme is the one I said I was gonna do for the plane.....:banghead:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41083

Have we decided when the other painters will be able to begin working on paint scheme's?

[Milton Shupe]

Yes sir. :wavey: I know it is hard to be patient seeing the pics we post. As soon as the base textures and all the detail layers are completed (around 200 layers :isadizzy: ), the paint kit will be assembled for all interested parties. Bomber_12th is working feverishly on wrapping up the exterior layers this week. After that at some point, a paint kit will be constructed and made available.

He is also doing all the interior textures so he is very busy with things right now. I assure you all that we want the kit in your hands as badly as you want it but we will not make it available until the details are ready and everything is right. We are still a good way off from beta release. You will have time to make your contribution once the tedious work is done.

I really look forward to the many interesting schemes I know are coming and we want to make sure that we do your work justice as well. I suspect among Bomber_12th, me, ROS, DCC, Sparks, DDawson and Fliger747, we are investing around 140-160 hours per week in this project. That does not include many hours invested by people collecting and disseminating reference material, pictures and fact sheets. ROS and I are in a full court press on the VC and we will be at that for awhile yet.

So hang in there ... we are making great strides toward the finish line.

[Bomber_12th]

Okay, I just had to try this...

I think it would look great on a gunless, turretless Invader - perhaps an executive transport. I'd like to add an N-number and there is still some tuning left to be done to make it look more realistic with regards to dirt, grime, and shading. Well on the way to a completed paintkit!

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/663/shineyeu3.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4766/shiney2ab2.jpg

[Milton Shupe]

Man! This post needs a sunglasses warning. :costumes:

Looks very nice Bomber ... :applause:

[invader26]

Wow Bomber:ernae: very nice! That's one shiny piece of Invader :applause:

[Windrunner]

Now we are talking seriously! :ernae:

[seby]

:isadizzy: wow that texture looks good bomber. Keep up the good work:applause:


Seb

[BananaBob]

You continue to impress me John, great work bro! :applause::jump::applause::jump::applause:

[tedrbr]

Very impressive work being done here. Salute!

[Helldiver]

I couldn't help it I remodeled into a civlian.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/Robfolsom/A-26Civvy.jpg?t=1173478969 (javascript:void(0);)

[Bomber_12th]

The paintkit is done and here it is for those who'd like to begin experimenting with texturing the A-26B. Milton should have a test version of the A-26B ready for painters shortly, and a link to the paintkit as well, at the A-26B website. :)

A-26B Paintkit - http://www.mediafire.com/?6lyzljutwjn (http://www.mediafire.com/?6lyzljutwjn)

[Milton Shupe]

Bomber_12th sent the paint kit along and okayed it for upload. :applause:

In addition to the link posted above, you can get it here:
http://www.flightsimonline.com/a26/paintkit.htm

He also notes that the files are saved in both .PSD and .PSP formats and they should be very painter friendly. :jump:

Have fun

[skyhawka4m]

Bomber_12th sent the paint kit along and okayed it for upload. :applause:

In addition to the link posted above, you can get it here:
http://www.flightsimonline.com/a26/paintkit.htm

He also notes that the files are saved in both .PSD and .PSP formats and they should be very painter friendly. :jump:

Have fun

Thanks for the paint kit...... gonna go check her now....:jump:

[nightshade]

The paintkit is done and here it is for those who'd like to begin experimenting with texturing the A-26B. Milton should have a test version of the A-26B ready for painters shortly, and a link to the paintkit as well, at the A-26B website. :)

A-26B Paintkit - http://www.mediafire.com/?6lyzljutwjn (http://www.mediafire.com/?6lyzljutwjn)

Looks like it's "factory fresh":d

[BananaBob]

Thanks bro!! :ernae:

[ted9999]

Bomber_12th sent the paint kit along and okayed it for upload. :applause:

In addition to the link posted above, you can get it here:
http://www.flightsimonline.com/a26/paintkit.htm

He also notes that the files are saved in both .PSD and .PSP formats and they should be very painter friendly. :jump:

Have fun

I am confused :kilroy: but of course I stay confused especially when it comes to trying to figure out how to paint an airplane.

Oh well, my question is why are there 9 seperated fuselage sections on only 1 .bmp texture section? All those compressed parts are just (too) awfully cramped after being put onto just one .bmp texture section. Isn't that going to make it very difficult to add or paint very fine or high details on the fuselage?? Should there not have been at least two fuselage .bmp textures sections rather than just one ???

On the other hand each engine nacelle (and there are only 2 of them) has its own individual .bmp texture section? Now why is that????

Will somebody please set me straight? Just what is it that I am missing here???? :isadizzy:


ted9999 :sleep:

[Bomber_12th]

What it comes down to Ted is trying to keep all of the textures to the same scale. To do this for the fuselage and not break it in half would make for either a very small texture size or an overall .bmp size that is too big for FS to except. The other part is that when textures are applied over a tight curve they are usually streched. If the textures were to be applied on only both the left and right sides of the fuselage, the top and bottom of the almost square fuselage would be extremely blurry as the textures would stretch from the sides straight to the middle. That is why there are sepperate areas for the top and bottom and front as well.

Now, with a perfectly round (or just about) surface, a texture can be applied nicely by just using one texture wrapped around the part. This is the case with egnine cowls and nacelles.

What I suggest is to do a test with using only the wire frame included in the paintkit, that way you can easily see where one texture area stops and another begins.

[ted9999]

Bomber,

Thank you. I think I understand the reasoning behind doing it that way but why not make two fuselage .bmp texture sections with only four or five larger fuselage part images on them rather than all nine fuselage part images on just one cramped .bmp texture section?

That way it would help a repainter by giving him a greater ability to paint in much higher detailed panels, parts, more rivits and things like instruction stencils letters, numbers etc etc???

If it can be done it really should be done now rather than wait too long.

Am I making any sense here, or am I the only one who sees it that way???

:redf:

ted9999

[Bomber_12th]

Personally, I think the decision to make the textures the way they are is the best way possible - more textures means more load time and frame rate drops. The way the textures are mapped is very common among FS aircraft mapping...just check aircraft like the MAAM examples, WOP aircraft, and other Milton Shupe aircraft, ect, all the same style.

BTW, this original decision was made more than two months ago now with texture work that has taken just as long to get it to the way it is currently (350+ layers).

[ted9999]

- more textures means more load time and frame rate drops.


Okay but out of curiosity why not put the 2 engine nacelles on just 1 texture.bmp rather than 2 of them, and put the 9 fuselage parts on 2 texture.bmp's rather than cramping them all together on just 1 texture.bmp??

That way the number of texture.bmp's will remain the same and repainters will have a lot less cramped space or room to work with in order to add more and clearer looking details to the fuselage.

At least it sounds logical.


ted9999 :sleep:

[skyhawka4m]

is the model supposed to fly? Mine is only CTDing...

[Real Old Salt]

Will somebody please set me straight? Just what is it that I am missing here???? :isadizzy:


ted9999 :sleep:

Diplomacy

[skyhawka4m]

Ok...got her flying.....I had no idea there were no *_T.bmp files in the kit.

got her flying now.

I must say...this kit is kinda complicated but I'm hopeful to get at least 2 scheme's done for the release if needed.

[ted9999]

Diplomacy



http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon5.gif

In what way sir?
Just for asking?

ted9999 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon28.gif


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[Real Old Salt]

If you disagree with the results produced by a volunteer, discuss it with him in a PM.
If you disagree with how the results were produced discuss it with your mate.
The end product is all that should be of concern.
The paint mapping was a collaboration between Bomber and Milton. They way they did it,was in their view the best way.
To try and tell them in an open forum that they should have done it another way is belittling them and their free work for the benefit of the community.

[ted9999]

If you disagree with the results produced by a volunteer, discuss it with him in a PM.
If you disagree with how the results were produced discuss it with your mate.
The end product is all that should be of concern.
The paint mapping was a collaboration between Bomber and Milton. They way they did it,was in their view the best way.
To try and tell them in an open forum that they should have done it another way is belittling them and their free work for the benefit of the community.

Sir,

I was not aware of those ground rules.

However:

(1) Each question was asked in a tackful manner.
(2) Not once did I attempt to belittle either Mr. Shupe or Bomber.
(3) I asked the questions only in hope of making the ability to detail the fuselage easier for the benefit of all members who might be interested in repainting the airplane.

May everybody learn something from your response:

:redf: Shame on me or any other member who might be so bold as to ask a legitimate straight forward question in a tackful and totally friendly manner.

ted9999

[Real Old Salt]

There are none so blind.............
Forget it

[aeronca1]

:redf: Shame on me or any other member who might be so bold as to ask a legitimate straight forward question in a tackful and totally friendly manner.

Your questions were in no way offensive. Bomber's answers were informative to me as a person trying to learn way too much in a short time. I see no reason why, in a thread explaining the design process, that those types of questions would have no place.

[BananaBob]

I love the way they are setup, makes a photoreal painter very happy, but that's just my humble opinion. :ernae:

[PhilRamone]

I love the way they are setup, makes a photoreal painter very happy, but that's just my humble opinion. :ernae:


i like the sound of that.... :wiggle:

are you planning on doing reps? :d

congrats InvaderTeam you're making a lot of people happy!

[BananaBob]

i like the sound of that.... :wiggle:

are you planning on doing reps? :d

congrats InvaderTeam you're making a lot of people happy!

I think of have enough information and photos to start on a photoreal of "Sugarland Express" and quite possibly "Spirit of Waco" :ernae:

[Quicksand]

......Quicksand hastily organizes huge yard sale in back of cluttered hangar to clear a spot big enough to park multiple Invaders.............:d :applause: Great news, Bob! My thanks to all involved in this project.:medals: :applause:

[PhilRamone]

I think of have enough information and photos to start on a photoreal of "Sugarland Express" and quite possibly "Spirit of Waco" :ernae:
:jump:

[BananaBob]

Rudder and elevators done :ernae:

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1996/rudderelevators1ac4.jpg


Top of wings done :)

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3761/topwings1ig8.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

Looking very nice Bob! Do you have a plan of attack yet for when you get to the area of fuselage below the wing, between the cowls?

[Bomber_12th]

Here's another repaint I just completed of a rather simple yet attractive scheme of maroon and polished metal I found from a late 1960's photo. I have quite a few photos of civilian Invaders from the 60's and 70's and will be focusing on doing the majority of them. I'll release this and others seperately after the release of the A-26.

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5493/a26hr2.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3/a262wm8.jpg

[t.creed]

nice job with the texturing bomber 12

regards
t.creed

[VCN-1]

Is the slick MDL available for download?

VCN-1

[Bomber_12th]

The gunless/turetless model will be available with the final release and will also include a civilian pilot. ;)

[Cirrus N210MS]

wow nice Paint jobs

[BladeRun]

:d :applause: :medals:

[BananaBob]

Looking very nice Bob! Do you have a plan of attack yet for when you get to the area of fuselage below the wing, between the cowls?

No John, kinda struggling with that area right now :kilroy:

[Windrunner]

You guys are showing great talent there. I can't wait to see the final product, and then to join the party! I am more than satisfied with this previews, no need to add more.

John , the paintkit is very good, thanks!

[expat]

Guys, these just look terrific! :jump:

[Maarten]

What a beauties! Can't wait till she get her FS C of A. Fascinating project. Great work, guys!

Cheers,
Maarten Brouwer

[invader26]

Bomber; Thumbs up on that civilian shiny livery. I wish I had those re-painting skills :applause:

:ernae:

[Bomber_12th]

Thank you guys! :)

Here's another scheme I really like and quickly threw it together, "Versatile Lady." It could use some paint chipping yet.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1230/versatileladylm0.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2535/versatilelady2nw3.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3466/versatilelady3df9.jpg

[aeronca1]

Oh man, how soon is SOON? :costumes:

[Milton Shupe]

The beta is being uploaded as I write. :jump: "When" depends on the beta team, what they find, and how long it takes us to correct any issues. :wiggle:

Not much longer, I hope. :banghead:

[BananaBob]

Excellent John!! :applause:

Got another WIP shot:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6083/wipsle1yb8.jpg

[Milton Shupe]

Hey, beautiful work John and Bob :jump:

Bob, love the exhaust effects over the nacelles and wings; looks great!

[Bomber_12th]

Really looking great Bob!!

Because that area of fuselage is always covered up behind the nacelles is the reason I've never started a photoreal repaint for this bird. I definitely have to say though that I'll have to experiment with photoreal exhaust stains! :d

[Cirrus N210MS]

holly molly thats one Sweet bird any idea when there will be a download for people to try her out? :applause:

[BananaBob]

Really looking great Bob!!

Because that area of fuselage is always covered up behind the nacelles is the reason I've never started a photoreal repaint for this bird. I definitely have to say though that I'll have to experiment with photoreal exhaust stains! :d

Yeah, lol, gonna have to use artistic license for that part :costumes: Yep, those are the real stains on the bird, gives it a "rough" look :) Cheers Guys!! :ernae:

[invader26]

Bomber and BananaBob, these new textures look fantastic!

Bananabob, let me know if you need extra photos of "Sugarland Express".

[BananaBob]

Bomber and BananaBob, these new textures look fantastic!

Bananabob, let me know if you need extra photos of "Sugarland Express".

Sent you a pm Invader26 :applause:

[invader26]

Bob, photos on their way to you.

For all the rest, here's an "action" shot of Sugarland Express taken at Duxford, UK.

[Spranget]

John and B-Bob, you guys are making this exciting. However, It is the entire design team that make this thing possible and need rounds of applause.:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[BananaBob]

More done tonight. :ernae:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4717/slewip3tn5.jpg

[Fnerg]

:eek::jawdrop::icon_eek: That is so beautiful...gawd...that's very good. Nice work Bob.:icon_eek::icon_eek::eek:

[Milton Shupe]

What Fnerg said ... strikingly like the real McCoy! Beautiful work Bob. :jump:

[Real Old Salt]

!!!!!!!! Whoa !!!!!!!! that is gorgeous !!!!!!!!!

[Bomber_12th]

Photoreal strikes again! :d

Looks really great Bob, will definitely be flying this one a lot!

[Quicksand]

Guys, I've been quiet:kilroy: in this forum if for no other reason than the fact that I am not a designer or a painter, but this project just makes me want to stand up and cheer!:jump: From the model, sound, and interior development, to the textures, I have watched and marvalled at what our special community is capable of doing as a group. She is really looking good, and I just want to say thank you :ernae: to all those involved in this endeavor.:medals: In shorter terms................ WOW!:applause:

[nightshade]

More done tonight. :ernae:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4717/slewip3tn5.jpg

:jawdrop:The face says it all!!

[p3aewguy]

Way to go Bob!! That is outstanding!!! I am so looking forward to flying this baby!!!

[t.creed]

i-ll order one of those..!!!

regards
t.creed

[Spranget]

Go Beta Team, Go Go Beta Team!!!! .......Sorry I thought maybe some chearleading could possibly help:jump: :mixedsmi: :jump:

[Milton Shupe]

The beta team is doing a great job with feedback and input. :ernae: The team has been working on corrections and updates since very early this morning. We will get you guys something as soon as possible.

[Marlin]

:applause:

[invader26]

More done tonight. :ernae:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4717/slewip3tn5.jpg

She doesn't even look that good in real life :costumes: :greenbo: :icon_eek:

Well done:ernae:

[seby]

wow really cantwait til this comes out now

[stansdds]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[whitehawk_2009]

We will get you guys something as soon as possible.

AAAAAUUUUUUUGH!! the dreaded "S" word!! lol:costumes:

Can't wait for this baby.:applause:

WH

[ted9999]

More done tonight. :ernae:




Wow that is so cool :applause:

[ted9999]

How much time did it take for you to do a photoreal skin like that?
Do you take the pictures yourself?

Ted9999 :sleep:

[BananaBob]

How much time did it take for you to do a photoreal skin like that?
Do you take the pictures yourself?

Ted9999 :sleep:

It's about 80% done i'd say Ted and I work on it an average of 2-3 hours at a time. Usually I can do one in 6-8 hours sitting but i'm trying to get this one as perfect as I can.

I wish I could take the pictures myself, lol, that would make things much easier :) The hard part for me is taking for example, a wing that is seen from this angle http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0938749/M/ has to be manually adjusted to fit a flat wing texture section, that has to be done to all parts usually, sometimes for profile shots you can get a shot of a side that may not need much adjusting. Then when you can't get picks of certain parts, you have paint in those by hand or mouse, lol, trying to match the colors of the skin :isadizzy: :d

Just thankful for such a beautiful model to put some paint on, that was the tough work! :applause:

[ted9999]

It's about 80% done i'd say Ted and I work on it an average of 2-3 hours at a time. Usually I can do one in 6-8 hours sitting but i'm trying to get this one as perfect as I can.

I wish I could take the pictures myself, lol, that would make things much easier :) The hard part for me is taking for example, a wing that is seen from this angle http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0938749/M/ has to be manually adjusted to fit a flat wing texture section, that has to be done to all parts usually, sometimes for profile shots you can get a shot of a side that may not need much adjusting. Then when you can't get picks of certain parts, you have paint in those by hand or mouse, lol, trying to match the colors of the skin.


Do you ever cut sections of large metal areas from the pictures of other entirely different airplanes
to be pasted on the frame work of one particular airplane you are working on at that time :ques:

Ted9999 :sleep:

[BananaBob]

Do you ever cut sections of large metal areas from the pictures of other entirely different airplanes
to be pasted on the frame work of one particular airplane you are working on at that time :ques:

Ted9999 :sleep:

No, but I do from the same aircraft. :)

[Marlin]

Banana, outstanding job for sure!!!!!

That is awsome looking and I can't wait to download it. Could you e-mail it to me? just joking

[pointy31]

Nice job Bob, guess I should send you some boudin and cracklins, along with a case of Cajun Koolaid. :ernae:

[HenryW]

More done tonight. :ernae:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4717/slewip3tn5.jpg


Fabulous, fabulous!!

:redfire:

[HenryW]

Now a vietnam cammo paint would be great...

[p3aewguy]

Seeing Bananabob's repaint got me going. Here's a WIP of an Air Force drone launcher. It really needs to go on the stripped model when it comes out.

P3aewguy

[Milton Shupe]

Oh yeah! Great looking scheme there p3aewguy. :jump: The stripped model may be ready for you before you are done ... but you can take your time ... looking forward to this one. :applause:

[Bomber_12th]

Great selection P3aewguy! I had been eying that one myself and I'm glad you're doing it!

[Real Old Salt]

Seeing Bananabob's repaint got me going. Here's a WIP of an Air Force drone launcher. It really needs to go on the stripped model when it comes out.
P3aewguy

Did you say drone launcher?
This is a wip of a Navy JD-1KD. Lots of work remains to be done. Seems such a shame to start them factory fresh, and then have to add weathering effects.:kilroy:

[HenryW]

Where can i download the model, i'd like to try giving it some paintcoate as well :d

[Bomber_12th]

Very nice ROS, I love those types of Invader schemes! HenryW, go here http://www.flightsimonline.com/a26/paintkit.htm and you will find the paintkit and a test model, though you can have the complete package in days. :)

[HenryW]

Very nice ROS, I love those types of Invader schemes! HenryW, go here http://www.flightsimonline.com/a26/paintkit.htm and you will find the paintkit and a test model, though you can have the complete package in days. :)

Many thanks Bomber, i've studied the paintkit, excellent job there :ernae:

[modelr]

Looking good, ROS. I love those Hi Vis versions. Looking forward to final release. :jump: :jump: :applause:

[Cirrus N210MS]

Nice looking textures

[Spranget]

Did Bomber just say "days"?????......Does that mean the "s" word??????

[t.creed]

just ..mere..days away...:wiggle:

rgds
t.creed

[t.creed]

oh yes...i-ll be needing a navy jd-1..
nice job there old salt..

rgds
t.creed

[p3aewguy]

Way to go ROS!!!!

P3aewguy

[P3_Super_Bee]

Looking good guys... Great job to all involved. Really like that JD-1 ROS. Guess that's the Navy in me coming out...

You know waht kind of sucks? Was on Hickam AFB the other day. Went past the PACAF HQ Building(don't get by that way to often.) and guess what's sitting in the front yard on a stick? an A-26. Not sure if any pictures would have helped in anyway or not.

[Milton Shupe]

Did you say drone launcher?
This is a wip of a Navy JD-1KD. Lots of work remains to be done. Seems such a shame to start them factory fresh, and then have to add weathering effects.:kilroy:

This is going to be sooooooo sweet! hehe

[t.creed]

hello bomber 12th..

i would sure like a copy of the above A-26 ..N8631E.. has this been released and i missed it..or still to come..??

rgds
t.creed

[Moses03]

Special pastel blue repaint in time for Easter.

Hope the folks at Air Spray don't mind too much. :d


Moses