Work on the 67th

[winslow33]

:wavey:Hello

Well, I've managed to create a website that will do the job for the 67th Special Operations Squadron. And I found some files I zipped a few weeks ago and forgot about on my thumb drive, so I'm not as far behind the plan as I thought.:applause: Soon I'm going to upload some teaser screenshots of what's been acomplished so far.

I'll post here all new news on my project.:icon31:

[winslow33]

True to my word, here's some screenshots.

[winslow33]

...And some more. I added a cannon in the nose of the P-51 because I noticed most russian planes had them, on both lend-lease planes and Soviet's own.

[winslow33]

Here's the planes I have lined up. I'm almost half done.

He 111h (German)
P-51 (Russian)
Hurricane (Finnish)
Hurricane (Russian)
Ju 88 (Finnish)
Ju 87 (German)
Fw 190a (Russian)
Fw 190a (German)
Bf 109g (Finnish)
Bf 109e (German)
Fw 200 (Finnish)
Trainer (Russian)
Trainer (German)
Trainer (Finnish)
Lysander (Finnish)
DC-2 (Finnish)
Mig 3 (Russian)
Yak 9 (Russian)
Buffalo (Finnish)
P-39 (Russian)
B-25 (Russian)
P-40 (Finnish)
Fi 156 Storch (German)
Ju 86 (German)
Ar 240 (German)
Do 172z (German)
Spitfire Mk I (Russian)

I suppose the project is a little ambitious.:isadizzy:

[Johnny]

~S~ W,

As it is now we can go from WWI to Star-Wars and beyond. My ambitious idea is to go back in time to the Civil War. CFS could have the ironclads dueling it out off the coast or up a river and hot air balloons shooting it out over the White House. CSA subs blowing up sailing ships in the harbors. That would be the only way the South could ever rise again.

Canada could be on our side.

What do you think?

J:isadizzy:

[Ivan]

Hi Winslow33,

First of all, call your Spitfire a Mk.IX because that is what it really is. The 4 blade propeller is a dead giveaway and if you flip it over, the radiators would be a giveaway as well. No problem though because there WERE Spitfire Mk.IX's sent to the Russians. The planes that were sent were generally pretty beat (from a book by Alfred Price about Spitfires). Also, from a book (Mushroom I think) about the P-39, the performance of these Spitfires was not quite as good as we might normally expect. Maximum speed at altitude was only about 390.

I didn't think the US ever sent P-51D's to the Russians, but I may be wrong. What I DO know is that the P-51D could never have mounted a gun firing through the propeller hub without some major re-engineering. The Russian Klimov engines used in the Yaks were based on a Hispano engine and had the room between the cylinder banks (and enough offset in the reduction gear) to allow for the motor cannon. I don't believe the Merlins had the room. If someone knows better, please let me know.

- Ivan.

[winslow33]

Well, a civil war campaign sure would be different! It might be kind of fun, a TG2 aimable gun in a hot air baloon.

And the russians did in fact recieve Mustangs. I thought I read it in a book a while ago, and I just looked on wikipedia:

[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union"]Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg) The Soviet Union received at least 10 early-model Mustangs and tested them in combat. Some reports suggest that other Mustangs that were abandoned in Russia after the famous "shuttle missions" were repaired and used by the Soviet Air Force, but not in front line service.
I guess I'll have to rip out the cannon:isadizzy:

And re-work the Spitfire.:banghead:

[winslow33]

Oh. I forgot a plane on my list: The Finnish Brewster Buffalo:d

[smilo]

just for fun,
open the model folder in the sopcamel folder
then open the model.cfg file
change Yellow to Gray and save.
IMO, it makes the Camel much easier on the eyes.

[winslow33]

Good idea. Is there any way I can broaden my range of colors? All of them are bright! OLIVE is more like bright green, RED looks more like a fire engine!:isadizzy::isadizzy: I kink of liked the yellow because it just seems fitting for a trainer, but it is hard on the eyes.

[smilo]

that's why I like gray,
but to each his own.

[winslow33]

More work done on the 67th today.

I'm akmost done with the planes as soon as I get 3 found, and another 4 painted. That should be done this time tomorow.:isadizzy:

Here's some pictures. And let me explain about the Swordfish:

Britain declared war on Finland when they joined up with Germany. One of the only british air raids on Finnish soil was a mission where 5 Swordfish bombed a Finnish port. All 5 of the british aircraft were lost.

Oh, and not to give too much away, but I'm planning on adding a flyable gun, so ground troops can shoot back at the planes with a little help from TG2.:costumes: And I have another idea, wich I'm not going to give away YET. It'll be a little surprise.

[winslow33]

?????? I have no idea what happened to the pictures... I'll try uploading them again later.:isadizzy::isadizzy:

[winslow33]

:isadizzy:Let's try the pictures again...

[winslow33]

Just for laughs, here's some more...

[winslow33]

Well, now almost all of the scenery is done. I found some nice Eastern Front scenery a while ago on flightsim.com that looks a lot better than I could do. My Moscow scenery some how ended up in Greenland:isadizzy: and looks more like a small village...

...So I think I'll just use this instead. It's more located in East Germany and Poland I think, but it looks very realistic. Now I just have to get the planes past the testing stage, get scripting the website togeather, upload the files, and we're cleared for takeoff.:cost1:

So soon I'll be sending out the invitations.:jump::jump::jump:

BTW, I think I know how to make soldier API's, so if I can convert them into static objects with a .DP, we can have an army to strafe, although they are paper thin...:banghead:

[winslow33]

I was wondering if anybody has two .AIR files I could use:

One for a Yakolev Yak 9

One for a Bell P-39

[Johnny]

~S~ W,

What happened to your air files? If you deleted them or otherwise messed them up, you should still have the original zip files.

j.:isadizzy:

[winslow33]

I still have them, it's just that they are too unrealistic. The top speed for the Yak 9 is 150 MPH.:isadizzy: And the P-39 stalls too easy.:banghead:

[winslow33]

:applause::applause::applause:Well, it took a little longer than I thought for the planes, but with the exeption of a few russian bombers I can do without, the aircraft are done.:applause::applause::applause:

[winslow33]

...And heres some more planes.

[Ivan]

That La-5 looks pretty familiar. It actually looks more like a La-5FN though.... ;-)

- Ivan.

[smilo]

That La-5 looks pretty familiar. It actually looks more like a La-5FN though.... ;-)

- Ivan.

that it does.
wonder if the Author gave permission or if w33 knows who the Author is? :redf:

[Pratt&Whitney]

That La-5 looks pretty familiar. It actually looks more like a La-5FN though.... ;-)

- Ivan.

I recognize the heart below the cockpit...

A nice plane, I have a copy on my ME machine :applause:

[Johnny]

~S~ W,

Everything is so clear and crisp in your pictures, what screen resolution do you use in CFS?

j:cost1:

[winslow33]

that it does.
wonder if the Author gave permission or if w33 knows who the Author is? :redf:

Actually, I don't know who the author is but I'm assuming its one of you guys.:isadizzy::redf:

And I'll check after for the screen resolution.. I can't remember what it is,

[Ivan]

Hi Smilo,
I guess the answer to both questions is a 'no'.

Hi P&W,
Did you also get the La-7? Both of these could use some updates.
Pity we don't have more folks who can read Russian. I suspect the markings have some meaning as well.

- Ivan.

[smilo]

[quote=winslow33;34104]Actually, I don't know who the author is but I'm assuming its one of you guys.:isadizzy::redf:quote]

then I am going to assume (probably a mistake) that you got it from one of the pirate sites. pity.
they have a knack for removing the Author's documentation and adding their own.
nice people. real credits to the community.
look here, sixth from the top;
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&FileType=cfs-aircraft&page=downloads&ammm=15&pap=5

[winslow33]

Yeah,.. I can't really remember where I got it, but the ZIP was nothing at all like the link smilo posted above. It claimed the file was Public Domain. So sorry.. If you want I can take it off.

THAT is the last time I download CFS stuff off a random site. Now it's strictly here, Flightsim.com, and Simviation.:isadizzy::isadizzy: Sorry for that again.:redf:

[smilo]

it's easy for me to say, but don't worry about it. I am sure that you are innocent.
Ivan and Hubba are the ones who have their work ripped off by these creeps, who then either delete the documentation, claim it as theirs or even worse, rewrite it to say nasty things about the Author.
sometimes, it's a wonder that these artists even bother to upload their work so some swearword can steal it.

[winslow33]

Yeah. I don't exactly see what they have to gain by pirating. It's not like the author gets paid for his work if it's freeware like the time I downloaded the B-17F and this case here.:isadizzy:

[Johnny]

~S~ W,

No body pirates my :censored:, and you are free to put it on your site.

AAC_Johnny

Make a copy of this and keep it for your records.
offer may not apply to certain areas of the U.S.A. and Canada and nothing is guaranteed or warrantied without the hand written certification in triplicate and may not be valid on certain days of the week in some other areas, unless expressly noted. Any damage occurring as a direct or indirect use is limited to $ .0001 or one mil or one tenth of 1 cent U.S. monies, not squat. And make sure I did not pirate it from someone else before you post it for upload.:isadizzy:

[Pratt&Whitney]

Hi Smilo,
I guess the answer to both questions is a 'no'.

Hi P&W,
Did you also get the La-7? Both of these could use some updates.
Pity we don't have more folks who can read Russian. I suspect the markings have some meaning as well.

- Ivan.

Yes Sir I believe I did, although I'd have to double check, I ended up with a rather large library of planes, I think... If I remember correctly, they were short on ammo capacity, poor Russians...

On this machine, I only have maybe 20 or so... I haven't even installed the AAC fleet yet :redf: But I did download it over the weekend, so soon.

If I remember right, your marking is a heart and script "Anna Honey"? Makes them easy to spot :jump:

[winslow33]

I seen that paint job in a book one time. Did you happen to get it from the book "Aircraft of WWII" by Jim Winchester? I think it was that book but I'll check tomorow...

[smilo]

the green heart was used by JG54
and Ivan, along with Anna Honey.

[Ivan]

In Russian, it's Anna Love (Lyubov).
In Japanese, it's Ah-Na-Ha-Ni....
In German, I have only put a heart and Anna. Perhaps the future 109 will carry "Liebe Anna" or something like that.

There isn't really a whole lot of consistency, but so far in all the releases, it's in there someplace. I need to work out a way to do like Johnny did with a signature that more difficult to remove. Pity that a notice like that should even be necessary though. And yes, piracy is one of the reasons I don't make a particular effort to see that stuff gets released.

- Ivan.

[Ivan]

Regarding Ammunition Capacity, The Russians were not great, but the British Spitfires were about as bad and the Japanese Zeros and early 109s were worse. As I was discussing elsewhere, with just 60 rounds of a very low velocity 20 mm, you have about 3 good squirts before you are left with 7.7 mm or 7.92 mm Paint Chippers.

Unrelated note, but what a lot of folks don't realise is that with the 109F, there was actually a substantial increase in gun power even though the gun count was lower. The Co-Ax cannon on the 109E's apparently didn't work well and were often not installed.

- Ivan.

[Pratt&Whitney]

Regarding Ammunition Capacity, The Russians were not great, but the British Spitfires were about as bad and the Japanese Zeros and early 109s were worse. As I was discussing elsewhere, with just 60 rounds of a very low velocity 20 mm, you have about 3 good squirts before you are left with 7.7 mm or 7.92 mm Paint Chippers.

Unrelated note, but what a lot of folks don't realise is that with the 109F, there was actually a substantial increase in gun power even though the gun count was lower. The Co-Ax cannon on the 109E's apparently didn't work well and were often not installed.

- Ivan.

I punched out calibers for my own reference (I use metric, but I have yet to acquire a feel for it's units)

7.92 ~ .312
7.7 ~ .303 Paint chippers...:icon_lol: They make nice deer rifles (I mean rifles with a caliber ~.30)

I see what you mean... from what I remember, 8 .303's were reasonably effective up close, but at that range you could nearly just as easily saw off his tail with your propeller :costumes:

Obviously just the caliber is not the sole factor in a weapons effectiveness. A 7.62x39 is a different animal than a 7.62x51...

The 1000 rounds in the Spit 1 is disheartening...

To modify the expression: The only time you have too much fuel or too much ammunition is when you are on fire. :isadizzy:

[Ivan]

Pratt & Whitney,

You just opened a MONSTER can of worms here. There is nominal caliber and actual projectile diameter. Typically nominal caliber is the bore diameter but not always. Typically bullet diameter is groove diameter but not always. A .38 Special for example is not .380 inch in diameter (neither is a .380 ACP).

A 7.92 mm actually uses a .323 diameter bullet
A 7.7 mm or .303 actually uses a .312 diameter bullet
A .38 Special uses a .357 diameter bullet
A 7.62 mm x 51 NATO uses a .308 diameter bullet
A 7.62 mm x 39 uses a .310 diameter bullet as does the 7.62 mm x 54R

- Ivan.

[hubbabubba]

You just opened a MONSTER can of worms here.


In Ivan's case, we call them "baits"...:kilroy:

[winslow33]

I kinda ran into a little problem: I have no idea what to do next!:redf:

As most of you know, I havn't had the opertunity to play online myself... So i have a question for someone who knows how:
How do I set it all up so that German Stukas are in the air over a base with 109's flying escort to the side with Russian Yak's and MiG's over a city? Do I somehow use CFO weather to save the flights and upload them for the apropriate teams to download?:isadizzy:

[Johnny]

~S~ W,

That is a very good question, wish I had a good answer for you. I am a bit confused about the multi-player part. Brunhost may be your answer. You can set everything up the way you want it and when you enter the game everything starts. I do not know for sure, but I do not think they will attack anything. It sounds like a "Mission" only thing.

http://members.chello.nl/s.decocq/cfs1brunhost.htm

j:isadizzy:

[winslow33]

OK.. 'Cause for a multiplayer game I wanted any players flying for the Germans to enter the game in Stukas so they can fly from their airbase over the city, bomb it, and try to fly back. As where if you were on the russian team, your objective would be to start the muliplayer game over the city, fly towards the airbase and intercept the Stukas. Sounded like fun to me but I didn't know if that was possible or if all players start off in one area..

[Johnny]

~S~ W,

We start at an out of the way place and the teams CFO to the base they are assigned. When everyone is ready the leader usually types "Gooooooooooooooo" or Go Go Go, or something like that.

J:cost1: