'Watched The Movie "Star Trek" Last Night'...

[Panther_99FS]

Good movie but boy am I glad I got the pre-quels...

Funny how none of the stuff about Ambassador Picard, Captain Data, etc was mentioned in the movie...:kilroy:

[Lionheart]

Hey Panther,

Great movie.

Yes, some wild changes. Remember, this is the first Enterprise. Picard and Data arent born yet. (or made). This is Kirks first voyage.

I thought they did a good job on creating Scotty, lol..

Everyone's kids in the newest movie. Crazy.



Bill

[noddy]

Plus they changed the future as well.

[Panther_99FS]

Hey Panther,

Great movie.

Yes, some wild changes. Remember, this is the first Enterprise. Picard and Data arent born yet. (or made). This is Kirks first voyage.

I thought they did a good job on creating Scotty, lol..

Everyone's kids in the newest movie. Crazy.



Bill

Yes I know they weren't born yet - but knowing the prequel events definitely helps one understand the movie....& the movie did NOT fully explain the reason behind Nero's anger...

[Panther_99FS]

Plus they changed the future as well.

Definitely...
Since "now" in the future, neither Vulcan nor Romulus exists....

[Lionus]

not quite, Panther.. the original time line that we know and love still exists with Vulcan but sans Romulus. This new alternate timeline is now without Vulcan, which gives the script writers a chance to rewrite trek history. I believe it will be more action.. well, lets say that it will probably have more "negotiations with phasers as soon as diplomacy seems to fail."

[Panther_99FS]

not quite, Panther.. the original time line that we know and love still exists with Vulcan but sans Romulus. This new alternate timeline is now without Vulcan, which gives the script writers a chance to rewrite trek history. I believe it will be more action.. well, lets say that it will probably have more "negotiations with phasers as soon as diplomacy seems to fail."

Since when,
Vulcan was destroyed in the past....so how is it present in the future? - Where has it been said that this is an alternate timeline?

[Cratermaker]

My understanding is that the destruction of Vulcan in the movie spawns an alternate time line. This allows writers for future movies/shows to NOT have to deal with decades of story continuity from all the other movies and shows in the Star Trek franchise.

[Lionus]

Trek has dealt with alternate timelines before. Trials and tribble-ations, all those mirror universe episodes with xenophobic Terran Empire etc. Spock Prime (old spock from primary time line) , Narada and Nero were from the future, post dominion war era.. and this matter was loosely explained in the movie as well, amongst technobabble, lens flares and shaky handcam.

Cratermaker; actually it was the destruction of USS Kelvin that spawned the alternate timeline.

[Cratermaker]

Cratermaker; actually it was the destruction of USS Kelvin that spawned the alternate timeline.
Ah yes, you are correct of course.

[cheezyflier]

i saw it a little while back. i didn't want to like it but i did.

[Lionheart]

i saw it a little while back. i didn't want to like it but i did.

lolololol.....

ha ha...!


:d

I hate it when that happens.. Some movie that looks really goofy that all the kids are liking, and it ends up being awesome.. Superman was brilliant.. Never thought I would say that..



Bill

[Lionus]

i saw it a little while back. i didn't want to like it but i did.


It's the music that made me like it, same guy did the musics for popular PlayStation game series called Medal Of Honor, hence why I expected the nazis to show up during the movie.. and they did! but they were disguised as bald, tattooed Romulans..

sadly, lens flares and shakycam irritated me beyond belief.

[Collin]

Watched it when it first came out...thought it was a load of rubbish.

Pity the scriptwriters couldn't keep to the main characters (Kirk) early life story line, but turning him into some ill-disciplined spoilt brat just to get the younger generation into the cinema's was horrible to watch.:barf:

Collin:ernae:

[TeaSea]

That's funny Panther because we watched here at the TeaSea household too.

It was pretty much what I expected....entertaining...and that's about it.

Which was all it was intended to be, so that's okay.

[Lionus]

Don't be sad, at least one thing has stayed as it was back during TOS era, judging from the fanfiction sites.. K/S-fiction. :icon_lol:

[Toastmaker]

I saw it tonight (rental) and I agree with Collin. A cheap tactic in the storyline to develope the youthful Kirk. I give the whole thing a C+.

[Panther_99FS]

Cratermaker; actually it was the destruction of USS Kelvin that spawned the alternate timeline.

So where has it been categorically stated that there are 2 'official' timelines ?

[Dain Arns]

Watched it when it first came out...thought it was a load of rubbish.

Pity the scriptwriters couldn't keep to the main characters (Kirk) early life story line, but turning him into some ill-disciplined spoilt brat just to get the younger generation into the cinema's was horrible to watch.:barf:

Collin:ernae:

Boy I totally agree. I frankly don't understand why people like this movie, sorry. It's just pure garbage, in my own, personal, opinion.

The movie alone has very little plot, and it was so poorly written, Leonard Nimoy had to came out of retirement to save it with the whole timeship/red matter story. I could go on and on with the glaring plot holes but why bother. The fact is, it's a typical J.J. Abrahms mess, as most of his "movies" are, and only intensifies this haphazard disaster of a flick. A movie of nothing more than visual special effects of explosions for two hours with some sexy scenes added in. That's all, folks. The only thing it shares with the original Star Trek is strictly it's title.

The only thing they got right is that this is totally an alternate universe not connected at all to the original Star Trek one. The names of the characters just happen to be the same.

The fact is Star Trek didn't need to be "re-made", it was doing just fine as long as the good writing and directing continued. That's what made it great TV in the first place and why its persisted for almost 50 years. Gene Roddenberry's vison offered a better, hopeful future where people had honor and integrity. Something that is very lacking in today's society.

And face it, honor and integrity just doesn't fit into Paramount's corporate money making policy of stamping out assembly style, schlock, formulaic movies of the present day. Quality story just no longer matters as long as you make a buck off of the masses. That's how most movies are judged by Hollywood these days. Box office receipts.

BTW, and finally, setting the record straight. James T. Kirk was born in Iowa, but he grew up on the colony on Tarsus IV, he was a witness to a massacre there by Governor Kodos when he was thirteen. His father and Lt. Mallory, a security officer on board the USS Enterprise would inspire him to join Starfleet. His first assignment after graduating Starfleet Academy was under Captain Garrovick, on board the USS Farragut. Kirk had a rapid rise through the service, and after making Captain, was assigned the USS Enterprise. His father lived long enough to see James become a Captain. He attempted to rescue his brother George on the Deneva colony when it was attacked by an alien species. And Kirk would later accept Mallory's son aboard his ship as a junior officer. :wavey:

:a1451:

[Dain Arns]

So where has it been categorically stated that there are 2 'official' timelines ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film%29


Star Trek is a 2009 science fiction film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction_film) directed by J. J. Abrams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Abrams), written by Roberto Orci (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Orci) and Alex Kurtzman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Kurtzman), and distributed by Paramount Pictures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_Pictures). It is the eleventh film based on the Star Trek franchise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek) and features the main characters of the original Star Trek television series, who are portrayed by a new cast. The film follows James T. Kirk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_T._Kirk) (Chris Pine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Pine)) and Spock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spock) (Zachary Quinto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachary_Quinto)) before they unite aboard the USS Enterprise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701%29) to combat Nero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_%28Star_Trek%29) (Eric Bana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bana)), a Romulan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulan) from their future who threatens the United Federation of Planets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets). The story establishes an alternate reality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_universe_%28fiction%29)<sup id="cite_ref-mtvalt1_4-0" class="reference">[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film%29#cite_note-mtvalt1-4)</sup><sup id="cite_ref-mtvalt2_5-0" class="reference">[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film%29#cite_note-mtvalt2-5)</sup> through time-travel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel) by both Nero and the original Spock (Leonard Nimoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy)), freeing the film and the franchise from established continuity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_%28fiction%29) constraints.

[Panther_99FS]

Alright - Thanks Dain...

Now about the thousands of other 'alternate realities' (Mirror Universe, etc....) :kilroy:

I guess that means the "Enterprise" series is an alternate reality too...

[Dain Arns]

Alright - Thanks Dain...

Now about the thousands of other 'alternate realities' (Mirror Universe, etc....) :kilroy:

I guess that means the "Enterprise" series is an alternate reality too...

Well, according to most fans...Yes. "Enterprise" was something else... :icon_lol:

[Lionheart]

He (Kirk) attempted to rescue his brother George on the Deneva colony when it was attacked by an alien species. And Kirk would later accept Mallory's son aboard his ship as a junior officer.

Dain Arns


Sounds a little bit like ST TNG / Picard who had Wesley Crusher (and his mother) on the Enterprise, who was his best friends son and who also had been killed.

Some very interesting things in there I had never known about. Kind of makes me wish they hadnt changed it so much.

My thoughts are that they will find a way to save the Vulcan homeworld, repairing the past. Thats my hunch. I hope I am right. Would be great for a play on time travel and quantum physics..



Bill

[Panther_99FS]

My thoughts are that they will find a way to save the Vulcan homeworld, repairing the past.
Bill

Which goes back to a previous post of mine about "tech"....:bump:

'Captain, there is a theory that if we "tech" the past, then Vulcan will exist again...'

[cheezyflier]

Boy I totally agree. I frankly don't understand why people like this movie, sorry. It's just pure garbage, in my own, personal, opinion.



i think that's why i was able to like it. i knew going in the trashed the history,
so i watched it not as a star trek film, but as an action/adventure movie. mindless entertainment. like i said, i didn't want to like it. that's because i knew they threw the story line out the window. at that point, for me, it wasn't star trek anymore. it was an adventure movie. i wouldn't have paid $$ to see it. if it wasn't free, i still wouldn't have seen it yet.

[GT182]

Just got the DVD yesterday and tried to watch it today. Had to stop it when company came and haven't had the chance to get it going again. What I have seen tho is awesome. Star Trek lives on...... :applause:

OT..... I also bought Angels and Demons. The book was very good, and I just hope the movie lives up to the book.

[Piglet]

Fun movie, but horrible art direction. Brewery for Enterprise engine spaces!??! Enterprise not being built in orbit, as generally aknowledged?
Even the bridge looked like they filmed at the Vegas Trek Casino.:isadizzy:
Even the new BSG, with it's "Home Depot" look, was better.

[Dain Arns]

Fun movie, but horrible art direction. Brewery for Enterprise engine spaces!??! Enterprise not being built in orbit, as generally aknowledged?
Even the bridge looked like they filmed at the Vegas Trek Casino.:isadizzy:
Even the new BSG, with it's "Home Depot" look, was better.

You know, Tim, that's kinda what set me off watching it, I think. Engineering has been replaced by an Oil Refinery? Where does it fit! :icon_lol:
And that Romulan ship. The thing can drill to the core of the planet, but it has to dangle a 20 mile long cord to do it, and that particular part can be taken out with hand guns?

Oops, doing it again. Sorry to all about the earlier rant, it's so darn silly getting upset over a TV/Movie, but I needed to vent that it looks like. Still dislike the direction Star Trek has taken.

Of all things, I'm enjoying the TV series, "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" Season One on DVD. At least its in the spirit of the old movie serials, and really fits the 'things exploding' genre better. The Jedi battles are pretty sweet too. :icon_lol:

[Eoraptor1]

Alright - Thanks Dain...

Now about the thousands of other 'alternate realities' (Mirror Universe, etc....) :kilroy:

I guess that means the "Enterprise" series is an alternate reality too...

There are thousands of alternate realities in Star Trek. In the TNG episde "Parallels" the Enterprise-D encounters upwards of 285,000 alternate Enterprises near a "quantum fissure".

JAMES

[Piglet]

Of all things, I'm enjoying the TV series, "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" Season One on DVD

All I can say...:ernae::ernae::ernae:

[n4gix]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film%29



Even granting that explanation, that cannot account for the changes to young Kirk's past...

...although they couldn't have filmed that cool scene with the 'Vette going over the cliff had they kept the boy Kirk on Tarsus IV...

Kirk however was somewhat of a "rebellious youth" as has been mentioned from time to time in the original series. His plebe year at the Academy was punctuated by more than one fight, as I recall. :icon_lol:

[thedude247]

sadly, lens flares and shakycam irritated me beyond belief.

No man, that was one of the best things about it. The lense flare was JJ shining a flash light into the camera, I must say it was quite clever. I can understand the shaky camera, but it wasn't as bad as Cloverfield, was it?

[Panther_99FS]

While I liked the movie...
The glaring 'anomoly' to was how Kirk could go from Cadet straight to O-6 (Captain) :isadizzy:

[Eoraptor1]

While I liked the movie...
The glaring 'anomoly' to was how Kirk could go from Cadet straight to O-6 (Captain) :isadizzy:

I thought that same thing, Panther. (Note here, that like most nerds, I'm not happy unless I have something to complain about.) The other things didn't particularly bother me. I posted why I believe they had to do something like they did with the timeline back in May when the movie came out, so I won't repeat myself.

I personally thought Kirk's being a troubled young man rang the most true of any of the changes; he didn't have his father, his mother was gone for long periods of time, and (you have to own the special edition to see this; in 'deleted scenes') was left in the care of an a**hole uncle. I'm still old-fashioned enough to believe that if a young boy doesn't have - not necessarily his father - but someone showing him how to be a man, he's in for trouble. My father didn't desert me, but he was gone for years at a time on military service, literally on the other side of the world, and I felt his absence acutely.

JAMES


PS Sorry about the Bears this afternoon. The Bills won one, and I'm still feeling disoriented.

[Piglet]

Just WHY was there a giant chasm in the Iowa farm country?!?
Really think there will be robot cops one day?

[GT182]

Just finished watching it. Nero and his fellow Romulans of the future sure loved tatoos. Basically a good Star Trek movie but things were just a bit too futuristic for a prequel to tie in with the original series.... IMO

It was good to see Nemoy as Spock. But also a real shame Shatner was missing. He must have really pi**ed someone off, and needs to get his ego in check.

[Panther_99FS]

And that Romulan ship. The thing can drill to the core of the planet, but it has to dangle a 20 mile long cord to do it, and that particular part can be taken out with hand guns?


All information about Nero's ship can be found in the pre-quels.....:engel016::kilroy:

[magoo]

.....Too bad about the Corvette....

[exc141ac]

I been watching Trek since TOS was Original.
I liked it better than the original ST movie -- which was bad.
But I regret they made him Capt. just out of the Academy --
that is too much of a stretch and aimed at the Starship Trooper set
(I actually liked it too).

[Lionus]

well, at least Chris Pine doesn't overact so badly as certain egomaniac did..:icon_lol:

[Toastmaker]

.....Too bad about the Corvette....




Yes - this was the only part that elicited any kind of emotional response from me. Although, I'm pretty sure that was all CGI, since no one in their right mind would do that to a vintage 'vette.

[Eoraptor1]

.....Too bad about the Corvette....

Yeah, that upset me. I excercise in the park every day if the weather isn't too fierce, and every Tuesday in the Summer the classic car guys have their Cruiser Night, and you see close up how much work they put into keeping these things roadworthy...that's enough; I may tear up.

Anyway, again, in the Special Edition you get to see what led up to Kirk crashing the car. Not what I would have done. Another thing that deleted scene made me wonder: don't they have Child Services in the Federation?


JAMES

[Lionus]

I was more upset about the fact that only one of the enterprise crews redshirts died. :icon_lol:

[Collin]

I was more upset about the fact that only one of the enterprise crews redshirts died. :icon_lol:

Oh yeah....forgot about that..

In days of yore with the old tv series running a book amongst yer mates...

"He's a dead'un" the shout would go.

regards Collin:ernae:

[FengZ]

Sorry for the shameless plug, but if any of you are in Singapore in 2 weeks, we have an event coming up featuring some top level Hollywood designers. Few of them designed all the stuff you see in this movie (Star Trek)...plus stuff from Avatar, Transformers 2, etc. :)

I'm so looking forward to Avatar man. I love classic looking sci-fi...

here's the website w/ the info:

http://fzdschool.com/designshow/index.html

ps. I loved this "new" Star Trek movie. I was never a big fan of ST, but this movie was pretty entertaining...

-feng

[Quixoticish]

Big Trek fan and this film gets a huge thumbs up from me. It's exciting to see Trek back and getting the attention it deserves rather than being run into the ground by Rick Berman and crew.

[Piglet]

I don't think any of us can afford to go to Singapore for a design show.

[cheezyflier]

I don't think any of us can afford to go to Singapore for a design show.


so, the tales i've heard about your offshore accounts, swollen from freeware royalties is just a fairytale then? :icon_lol:

[MaddogK]

Big Trek fan and this film gets a huge thumbs up from me. It's exciting to see Trek back and getting the attention it deserves rather than being run into the ground by Rick Berman and crew.

<snip><snip>*<snip>snip offensive comment*
B&B dug Treks grave, J.J. just covered the coffin with CONCRETE ! This movie (effects aside) is so bad it deserved NO comment from a 30+ year fan.</snip></snip></snip>

[Prowler1111]

My grain of salt:
I´ve never been a fan of ST..but i do believe these remake of the whole series brings a new spirit, in fact..i actually found it entertaining and i´m looking forward for more!, loved what they did with Spock!(nailing Uhura!, awesome)
Best regards
Prowler

[MCDesigns]

Big Trek fan and this film gets a huge thumbs up from me. It's exciting to see Trek back and getting the attention it deserves rather than being run into the ground by Rick Berman and crew.

Agreed, I have all the old movie DVDs and have seen all the originals, so I was looking forward to this when it came out and wasn't dissapointed. I thought they did a good job on casting (except for young Scotty) and loved the special effects. I went into it expecting there to be issues with continuity, but overall was happy with how they connected the old with the new. I'm with Piglet on the set designs though, what were they thinking?

The main thing I like is that this gives the franchise more life. with new faces to keep it going, look forward to the next one..

[Dain Arns]

My grain of salt:
I´ve never been a fan of ST..but i do believe these remake of the whole series brings a new spirit, in fact..i actually found it entertaining and i´m looking forward for more!, loved what they did with Spock!(nailing Uhura!, awesome)
Best regards
Prowler

Spock, ladies man? I...don't...think...so! Plus, no red shirts died during the making of the film...

Here, this explains how Star Trek should work: :icon_lol:

http://roflrazzi.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/celebrity-pictures-william-shatner-red-shirts-shag-widows.jpg (http://roflrazzi.com/2009/11/28/celebrity-pictures-william-shatner-red-shirts-shag-widows/)

(http://roflrazzi.com)

[FengZ]

i think this says it all: LOL

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film

-feng

[Eoraptor1]

Set the crack pipe down, and back away slowly.

B&B dug Treks grave, J.J. just covered the coffin with CONCRETE ! This movie (effects aside) is so bad it deserved NO comment from a 30+ year fan.


Buried the franchise in concrete? Star Trek earned $257,730,019 domestically, and a sequel is in the works. Reference HERE: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek11.htm

I can't speak for Chris H, but for future reference, and to avoid a flare up, I ask you, with all due respect, to NOT to associate me, that being James, with crack or crack pipes. I have ZERO sense of humor on the subject.

ATTN: Dain Arns,

You need to dust off your Original Series DVDs; Spock got his share of the ladies. I uspect they wanted him because they couldn't have him...


JAMES


PS Did everyone note that the Corvette, too, was red?

[Quixoticish]

Set the crack pipe down, and back away slowly.

B&B dug Treks grave, J.J. just covered the coffin with CONCRETE ! This movie (effects aside) is so bad it deserved NO comment from a 30+ year fan.

If you didn't like it then that's fine, that's the beauty of personal taste. Knock if off on the crack pipe comments and other comments like that though please.

Back on topic for the thread; don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Trek and I'm a total geek so there were a few errors here and there I spotted that I could really let wind me up if I were being fanboy-ish and pedantic but at the end of the day I left the cinema with a big smile on my face after expecting to hate it, and I'm very much looking forward to the sequel.

Job done, I'd say.

[MaddogK]

Aye, my apologies for the 'pipe' comment, it was meant as a joke (sorry about your lack of humor),

Anyway my opinion stands regardless of how much money the film made, just meant to illustrate how creativity these days has gone down the drain when writers have to invent a completely new timeline because they can't work within the boundaries set by the previous generation of writers.

Regardless, I saw the film once, and it was one too many times for me.

[cheezyflier]

PS Did everyone note that the Corvette, too, was red?

all corvettes are red since prince released the single in 1982, on the album named for 17 years later. :icon_lol:

[Panther_99FS]

And now the big question...

Who has "won" in this thread - the haters or the likers :ques:

Good thing we all get to choose.....:mixedsmi:

[Lionheart]

I loved it. Count me as one of those.


Bill

[AckAck]

Who was it that said no red shirts died? Did you watch the movie? Three people did the orbit jump onto the platform, two made it. What color was the uniform of the third crewman (the one with the explosives)? Maybe he was just gone so fast you didn't notice.

Brian:engel016:

[Dain Arns]

ATTN: Dain Arns,

You need to dust off your Original Series DVDs; Spock got his share of the ladies. I uspect they wanted him because they couldn't have him...

JAMES

Well, his wife was hot. Lots of nice pointy things on Vulcan women. :icon_twi:

But Hallucinogenic spores, an anorexic arts chick, and a Romulan Commander he was just shining on for Nomad's head isn't like Shag Master Kirk. Ladies man, nah. Nurse Chapel gave up and became an M.D. for goodness sake! :icon_lol:

[WarHorse47]

1. Got the DVD last week
2. Watched it Thanksgiving Day
3. Watched it again the day after Thanksgiving to see what I missed the first time
4. Enjoyed it both times
5. All Corvettes are not Red
:ernae:

--WH

[Eoraptor1]

Well, his wife was hot. Lots of nice pointy things on Vulcan women. :icon_twi:

But Hallucinogenic spores, an anorexic arts chick, and a Romulan Commander he was just shining on for Nomad's head isn't like Shag Master Kirk. Ladies man, nah. Nurse Chapel gave up and became an M.D. for goodness sake! :icon_lol:

You got me there, Dain. You've got to be James Bond, Wilt Chamberlain, or Gene Simmons to be at Kirk's level of shaggery.

Vulcan women are pretty hot, and logical - even when they're frakking you over. T'Pring REPRESENT!!!

JAMES

[Gdavis101]

Watched it a couple days after it was released.. I enjoyed it and am looking forward to the next one, I have read rumors of Kahn and another cameo from Nimoy.

[Lionus]

which would mean introduction of JJ Miranda.. and later we will probably see JJ Excelsior. Sweetness.

[Eoraptor1]

All information about Nero's ship can be found in the pre-quels.....:engel016::kilroy:

Panther,

How do you go about getting the prequels? My name is James, and I'm a complete Trek nerd.

JAMES

PS I watched the DVD with Director's Commentary for the first time last night; the Enterprise engine room is a Budweiser brewery. Please forgive me, if anyone's already posted this info.

[Cratermaker]

When I saw that room, I just figured it was some sort of on board refinery for making fuel. Hey, you can be a long ways from the nearest filling station on a five year mission. As for them using a brewery for that backdrop, well one could argue a brewery is refinery for making fuel too. :engel016:

[crashaz]

Maybe it was supposed to represent the water reclaimation station... I mean you still need water in space right?

Anyways I too am a long-time Trekkie. I liked bringing the original cast of character backs. Gives new generation of fans the opportunity to discover them. Of course using the original characters... how in the world could they have done that without retelling history.... so lets create the alternate universe.


Loved the casting they did for the movie. Pine is great and I knew Bones before he introduced himself... great choice there!

I Liked the movie! NCC-1701 is back!

[Eoraptor1]

I found synopses of the prequel at the Star Trek wiki site. Go HERE: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Countdown,_Number_One Click 'To be Continued' at the end of each part.

JAMES

[MaddogK]

Funny how this prequel ends with the captain of Enterprise (E or Soverign class ???) making a grand entrance (a former underling of Jean-Luc Picard), but ALL this takes place BEFORE Kirk even finishes his academy training.




This is the first of a four-issue comic book mini-series which serves as an official prequel to the 2009 (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/2009_productions) film Star Trek (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film%29).
This story takes place eight years after the events of Star Trek Nemesis (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek_Nemesis) (2379 (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/2379)) and nineteen years after TNG (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation): "Unification I (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Unification_I_%28episode%29)" and "Unification II (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Unification_II_%28episode%29)" (2368 (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/2368)).
Spock's line that he has lived on Romulus for the past forty years contradicts established Star Trek chronology; Spock arrived on Romulus shortly before 2368 (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/2368), less than twenty years before the events of Countdown. This line was corrected from "forty years" to "twenty years" for the trade paperback collection (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown_%28comic%29).



Star Trek has become a very bad joke.

...Guess it's not much worse than the butchery they did to the remake of 'The day the earth stood still'.

[Quixoticish]

And now the big question...

Who has "won" in this thread - the haters or the likers :ques:

Good thing we all get to choose.....:mixedsmi:

$385,000,000 says the fans won. Sorry haters, whiners and nit pickers. :applause:

[Eoraptor1]

Funny how this prequel ends with the captain of Enterprise (E or Soverign class ???) making a grand entrance (a former underling of Jean-Luc Picard), but ALL this takes place BEFORE Kirk even finishes his academy training.


Unless I read the synopses VERY wrong, Captain Data appears at the end of Part One. The final part (Part Four) ends with several of the principals from TNG watching Ambassador Spock disappearing into the artificial singularity, assuming he's lost forever, and all of this takes place in the 24th Century of TNG, so I'm not really sure what you're saying. This is why I wanted Panther to weigh in. Memory Alpha is a wiki site; I've never actaully read the prequel. I'll tell people what I think about something, and perhaps why I think it, but I make a point of never telling people they have to like the same movies I do. People like what they like. The whole Twilight phenomena completely eludes me, but millions of readers love it. I read the first novel, and it seemed to me a retelling of the Snow White mythos, which goes back at least as far as Alexander Pushkin; farther really. Every time Bella launched an exposition about Edward's "smouldering eyes" I heard, "Some Day My Prince Will Come".

Anyway, IMHO, the biggest obstacle the new Star Trek material, is the crushing weight of it's own continuity, and all the online nerds waiting for one slip-up. These are my own friends I'm talking about, so I know their ways. When I was a little boy reading Marvel Comics, if you could catch the staff in a continuity error, you got what was called a "No-Prize" and your name got printed on the letters page, which was a great honor. This was before the internet and the on-line "communities" where like minded critics could network in real time. For some reason, this took a real prosecutorial turn in the portions of the Trek community, which is why I don't call myself a Trekkie, a Trekker or anything of that ilk; just someone who enjoys the shows and stuck with them, just like I stuck with dinosaurs. Nevertheless, I have very good friends who treat the Star Trek "canon" like the monks in The Name of the Rose treat Holy Scripture, which I simply refuse to do. I'm not kidding here. I've seen some real mudslinging on the fan sites, which is one of the reasons I'm a charter member of SOH and not a snark page; there's the occasional dust-up here, but on the whole things remain civil.

I've been a research assistant at the post-graduate level, and believe me, the canon of "Greatest Writers Who Ever Lived" made plenty of continuity errors. Chaucer rewrote the Homeric cyclein Troilus and Cressida to reflect comtemporary mores, and William Shakespere rewote the rewite. Both are full of anachronisms. In Julius Caesar (I lectured on it this Fall) Shakespeare has Roman Senators wearing Renaissance doublets. To me, picking nits is part of the fun. I want my No-Prize, but it isn't Aristotle's lost treatise, and I'm not going to set anyone on fire for heresy. Just my opinion.

JAMES

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Vulcan women are pretty hot, and logical - even when they're frakking you over.

Want some trivia?

"Amok Time" (TOS 2x05) was aired in Germany in 1974.
For Star Trek was considered as a show for kids then, Spock didn't suffer from Pon Farr in the german-dubbed version: All sexual content was replaced by a strange "space fever infection" he had to go through. :isadizzy:
The german title for this episode was "Weltraumfieber".

Funny, isn't it?

[MaddogK]

the crushing weight of it's own continuityNo worries Eoraptor1, if the weight was so great the writers should have abandoned everything and started with new characters, a new ship and name of the film. It is a great dis-service to many of the long time fans of star trek to do a rewrite of the entire trek history on this scale simply to make a few bucks and show off new effects. There are so many new areas left to explore within the legit trek lore the writers could've made into a film, but they chose to hang on to a few character names, a ship, and scrapped everything else that made trek what it was.

What these guys did to me and some other trek fans is no less appalling than if some film maker was to make a ww2 movie depicting Hitler as 'the good guy' in the war.

:blind:
Enjoy your new Trek universe, I can't- it isn't Star Trek to me anymore.

[Lionus]

Rrriiight.. if that is your opinion..:isadizzy:

Okay, moving on: Since this will obviously be a trilogy, what are you guys expecting.. Khan, Klingon mischief, or perhaps federation-cardassian war?

[Eoraptor1]

No worries Eoraptor1, if the weight was so great the writers should have abandoned everything and started with new characters, a new ship and name of the film. It is a great dis-service to many of the long time fans of star trek to do a rewrite of the entire trek history on this scale simply to make a few bucks and show off new effects. There are so many new areas left to explore within the legit trek lore the writers could've made into a film, but they chose to hang on to a few character names, a ship, and scrapped everything else that made trek what it was.

What these guys did to me and some other trek fans is no less appalling than if some film maker was to make a ww2 movie depicting Hitler as 'the good guy' in the war.

:blind:
Enjoy your new Trek universe, I can't- it isn't Star Trek to me anymore.

No worries, MaddogK. I know and am friends with the people you're talking about. It's just impossible for me to take it that seriously. It would be a very boring world if we all liked the same things.

JAMES

[Panther_99FS]

$385,000,000 says the fans won.

:monkies:......:icon_lol:

[Eoraptor1]

Rrriiight.. if that is your opinion..:isadizzy:

Okay, moving on: Since this will obviously be a trilogy, what are you guys expecting.. Khan, Klingon mischief, or perhaps federation-cardassian war?

I've heard gossip about Khan as well. In the Director's Commentary they mention that an offhand reference to the Botany Bay was made and then cut from the final print. I'm trying to imagine who they could cast that would have Ricardo Montalban's charisma. I like the new 007 and the new Spock, but to me the "real" onscreen James Bond and Mr. Spock will always be Sean Connery and Leonard Nimoy. I suspect it will be the same with Khan.

I personally would like to see Klingons Behaving Badly. What I do NOT want to see is another 20th Century probe returning to Earth as a godship.

JAMES

[Lionus]

well, they could always guide it towards Cardassia or Gamma quadrant.. let the dominion worry. :icon_lol:

[Terry]

From the second disk of extras that comes with the movie one finds that they filmed at a refinery and Budweiser brewery. They changed history because they did not want to be bombarded by fans pointing out errors in the Trek history bible. But what got to me was how they planned to lauch the Enterprise from the ground. That would have been an interesting scene. Perhaps the director once saw this old photo.

[traindriver98]

I have been a fan of Star Trek from the 60's. I did not want to see this new movie in the theater because of all the changes made, thought I would get a little loud. Of course there are continuity errors, like Uhura ordering a Cardassian Sunrise. As for the Enterprise way to many changes were made, parts of the new design are taken from rejected drawings for the original show. As for the bridge, Forget it, but this is what the younger viewers want. IMHO, as others have said, this was a good movie, but NOT a good Star Trek movie.:monkies:

[MaddogK]

From the second disk of extras that comes with the movie one finds that they filmed at a refinery and Budweiser brewery. They changed history because they did not want to be bombarded by fans pointing out errors in the Trek history bible. But what got to me was how they planned to lauch the Enterprise from the ground. That would have been an interesting scene. Perhaps the director once saw this old photo.

LOL, they thank the tech faireys for the 'structural integrity field' when they fly that out of the drydock... Wait, they prolly beam that sucker into orbit.
:isadizzy:

[hewman100]

I'm pretty sure (he crosses his fingers) that they would not do a film with Khan in it. Different timeline or not even attempting to re-cast the character would lose the franchise the core of fans who have stayed with it.

Ricardo Montalban should be the only man to ever play him.

[Dain Arns]

Well, at this point the "Star Trek universe" doesn't matter anymore, according to Paramount. Heck, lets get Lucas to sign on and we could have cute Droids, Jedi's, and Indiana Jones from an alternate universe? Maybe we could get Spielberg too and have Transformers fighting Jedi's with phasers? Get Bruce Willis to reprise his role from Die Hard by falling through a wormhole, those kids from the new "Twilight" movie that's pretty popular now, and Lady GaGa to sing the title theme and we could make a movie that would make super duper amounts of cash?

Craptastic, sure! But as long as it makes loads of cash, who cares about plot development, or characters, or continuity, huh? It's Star Trek! :wavey::icon_lol:

[Lionheart]

Perhaps the director once saw this old photo.


I love that photo.. I think that came out about 3 or 4 years ago. Someone had Photoshopped it. Nice work...




Bill

[Terry]

I'm pretty sure (he crosses his fingers) that they would not do a film with Khan in it. Different timeline or not even attempting to re-cast the character would lose the franchise the core of fans who have stayed with it.

Ricardo Montalban should be the only man to ever play him.

The rumor mill keeps pumping out "Khan will be back in some form". Bet we see the time line when he took charge and was finally exiled.

[Lionus]

Heck, lets get Lucas to sign on and we could have cute Droids, Jedi's, and Indiana Jones from an alternate universe? Maybe we could get Spielberg too and have Transformers fighting Jedi's with phasers?

well, now that you mentioned it.. spot the ILM insider joke.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc142/tm0z/Untitled.jpg

couldn't spot it? let me help..


http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/11/r2d2_star-trek.jpg

:icon_lol: It's an ILM tradition, so keep your screams of outrage and sacrilege toned down.

[Gdavis101]

When we watched Trek I did it with a house full of people that have never really cared for Star Trek, I was the only one saying how can that be! But, in the end everyone really enjoyed the movie and in all reality this movie has brought Star Trek back and put it on the map again.

[Dain Arns]

well, now that you mentioned it.. spot the ILM insider joke.

:icon_lol: It's an ILM tradition, so keep your screams of outrage and sacrilege toned down.

Yeah I'm quite well aware of that ongoing joke with ILM, thanks. Have been for years. Pixar does it as well. You don't need to be insulting, Lionus. :mad:

[Lionus]

Dain, it is insulting only because you take Trek too seriously.

just to lighten up the mood of this thread, have fun with XI gag reel.

xPUN3bgi9R0

:icon_lol:

[Lionheart]

Dain, it is insulting only because you take Trek too seriously.

just to lighten up the mood of this thread, have fun with XI gag reel.

:icon_lol:

That was hilarious, lol... Thanks for posting that.

Looks like they had fun making that movie.



Bill

[Snuffy]

Good Clip Lionus ... I always love the out takes ... :applause:

[Dain Arns]

Dain, it is insulting only because you take Trek too seriously.:icon_lol:

I'll explain it to you in a PM, son.