Fw190 progress update [Archive]

Mathias

October 30th, 2009, 10:00

Hello everyone,

it looks as if all artwork (3d-modelling and painting) is done on the late variants.
Systems and coding is in up to the level of the early variants and we'll now concentrate fully on additional system programming and flight-modelling.
More on that soon.
All in all we should be in for a release well before christmas.
Below is a screenshot of each sub-variant and paint scheme included to the package.
If you have questions or suggestions just fire away.
Other than that enjoy!

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_01.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_02.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_03.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_04.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_05.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_06.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_07.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_08.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_09.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_10.jpg

Mathias

October 30th, 2009, 10:01

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_11.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_12.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_13.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_14.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_15.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/fw190a5/fw190a_late_artwork_16.jpg

......and here's a visual overview of the most important cockpit variations.
There are more, but these are more subtle modifications reflecting the different weapons loadouts of the various "R" versions and the like.
Note the right consoles of the A-5 to A-7 sub variants are virtually identical.
The A-7 uses newer versions of gunsight, artificial horizon, airspeed indicator and rpm indicator and has the left console simplified over the previous versions.
The A-8 has stuff changed and moved around allover the place, particularly due to the new FuG16 ZY radio, the added variometer and the additional 115 liters fuel tank, particularly due to simplification in production processes.
Allover there are three different artifical horizons in use.

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/Interior_A5.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/Interior_A7.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/Interior_A8.jpg

gajit

October 30th, 2009, 10:06

Fantastic work :applause::applause::applause:

Coincidentally just flown your early version FW190 - good to see this one.

Quicksand

October 30th, 2009, 10:22

One word, Mathias...........WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!:jum p::isadizzy::icon29::guinness::applause:

deimos256

October 30th, 2009, 10:28

Every time you post an update my jaw hits the floor a little harder. As a 190 lover you couldn't ask for more. All the A variants and they have top notch modelling and vcs that you might as well actually be sitting in. Also I can't speak for this package but if it's anything like the early variants, the performance in terms of smoothness in frames is some of the best.

jankees

October 30th, 2009, 10:51

.................................................. .................................................. ..................................

(speechless)

Akatsuki

October 30th, 2009, 10:53

You deserve this:medals: and that:applause:for such a minutious work.

Mathias

October 30th, 2009, 10:53

Cheers guys!

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(speechless)

Jan, as you can see we left more schemes for the repainters this time around. :engel016::wavey:

crashaz

October 30th, 2009, 11:01

Outstanding quality!!!

jankees

October 30th, 2009, 11:28

Cheers guys!

Jan, as you can see we left more schemes for the repainters this time around. :engel016::wavey:

good thing I found myself some books on the 190 then...
but you didn't leave too many I think?

Mathias

October 30th, 2009, 11:37

good thing I found myself some books on the 190 then...
but you didn't leave too many I think?

Guess there should be some nice schemes amongst the other 20.000+ Fw190produced. :bump: Hermann Graf's "circus" A-5 comes to mind and many more A-8 and A-8/R2 machines.
We didn't do any plane from the african/mediterranean theatre for instance. Mind you, all aircraft that served in Tunisia being described in the literature as "F2" are actually A-5's.

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/profiles.htm

deimos256

October 30th, 2009, 12:29

ooooo bring on the dirty late war paints!!!!

peter12213

October 30th, 2009, 12:47

I'm so glad to have the sturmjager with the armoured cockpit, it looks brilliant I can't wait for this!!

Mithrin

October 30th, 2009, 13:34

You are one dedicated cookie. Absolutely stunning!

krazycolin

October 30th, 2009, 13:44

That is totally awesome. Superb attention to details.

calypsos

October 30th, 2009, 14:22

stiz

October 30th, 2009, 14:25

absolutly stunning work :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Mathias

October 30th, 2009, 14:33

I just hope ther is someway that can made for the swastika symbol to be added by the model owner after purchase, maybe a texture patch as freeware?

Although I detest right wing facist politics in any shape or form, to me, those wonderful models look 'un-finished'!!! Stopping the symbol used in an historical context will not undo all the wrongs caried out by the Naxi party.

Many of the Luftawaffe FW-190 pilots who fought bravely and courageously were not party members and I think it is wrong to try and sweep everything under the carpet an a fit of 'political correctness'.

As long as the symbol is not used as a badge or rallying point (i.e. on a personal PC used for Flight Simming), I cannot see the problem.

Calypsos, as a German citizen I'm bound to German law which strictly prohibites the display of the swastica except in an educational or artistical context, and that is for good reasons may I add.
Flight simulation games are not considered as art by German courts, so....
However, those who have purchased the early variants know that it's very easy and straight forward to add historically correct tail markings the day after release. :monkies:
Talking about tail markings, this release uses a decal sheet which allows the painting of nose/fuselage/tail art on a separate sheet in higher resolution than the "surrounding" fuselage surfaces.

peter12213

October 30th, 2009, 16:03

I must admit, I would want the swasticas on mine and I'm sure someone will make the patch like they did for the first addition of these stunning aircraft!

MudMarine

October 30th, 2009, 19:30

Pant Pant........I think I just wet myself!!:icon_lol: Just beautiful!!:jump::applause:

calypsos

October 30th, 2009, 23:29

Thanks Mathias, I was aware you could not ship your products with them, although with that amount of detail, they come under 'historical' classification in my book!

As you say, it is not too difficult to sort out. The last thing we need is a repeat of the political scene after the last big economic crisis, although the retched far right in the UK are 'on the march' and they have been using the Spitfire as a symbol!!!!

jankees

October 30th, 2009, 23:41

Guess there should be some nice schemes amongst the other 20.000+ Fw190produced. :bump: Hermann Graf's "circus" A-5 comes to mind and many more A-8 and A-8/R2 machines.
We didn't do any plane from the african/mediterranean theatre for instance. Mind you, all aircraft that served in Tunisia being described in the literature as "F2" are actually A-5's.

I just realised I never painted any german aircraft...I may have to start soon..

alx

October 31st, 2009, 00:59

Do not worry about the tail svastika. The "update" pack with correct shaped item for each plane is already made and will be available (of course in other locations) immediatly after the release.

http://www.italianwings.it/foto/sw.jpg

Nick C

November 2nd, 2009, 14:36

May I hijack this thread with a few additional pictures? :engel016:

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http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_043.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_044.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_045.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_046.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_047.jpg
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Nick C

November 2nd, 2009, 14:37

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http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_036.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_037.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_038.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_039.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_040.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_041.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_042.jpg
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gajit

November 2nd, 2009, 14:37

Yes Please Nick - any time with a quality product :applause::applause::applause:

deimos256

November 2nd, 2009, 14:41

lksdjfhalskjf OMG, im gonna go fly the early variants right now to calm myself!

RudiJG1

November 2nd, 2009, 15:33

Simply can't wait...incredible detail there....just look at those indicator light lenses!

MudMarine

November 2nd, 2009, 15:43

Dang........release it and end my torture!!

JIMJAM

November 2nd, 2009, 20:01

:jawdrop:

2Low

November 2nd, 2009, 20:07

That's not just raising the bar a bit, that's taking the bar by two hands and smacking people about with it!

(soon?!, please:engel016:)

MudMarine

November 3rd, 2009, 08:32

That's not just raising the bar a bit, that's taking the bar by two hands and smacking people about with it!

(soon?!, please:engel016:)

Ain't that the truth!! WOW!!

Classic Hanger: You guys know I'm an excellent test pilot! Just thought you might like to know that! hehe:engel016::icon_lol:

spotlope

November 3rd, 2009, 09:28

Man, that's a mean-lookin' mutha. I would NOT want to see one of those dropping in on my six.

MudMarine

November 3rd, 2009, 09:33

Man, that's a mean-lookin' mutha. I would NOT want to see one of those dropping in on my six.

Rgr that! Might be the last thing you ever see!!

Nick C

November 3rd, 2009, 10:27

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Flaps, gear, guns and bombs...not always in that order...

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_048.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_049.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_050.jpg
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rewasiuk

November 3rd, 2009, 17:20

Outstanding screenshots but I hope you include Swastikas on your download versions.

MudMarine

November 3rd, 2009, 18:07

Outstanding screenshots but I hope you include Swastikas on your download versions.

Can't it's against German law. But I'm sure someone else will make it available, they did with the first 190 release.

Cerberus

November 3rd, 2009, 18:51

Amazing Work:applause:

Dok

November 3rd, 2009, 19:58

Those screenshots look absolutely amazing :applause:

I love flying your early variants FW109, and these somehow look even better again. I cannot wait for this to be released.

Thanks for all the hard hard work Mathias :icon29:

GBrutus

November 4th, 2009, 02:40

This model really is a masterpiece - both the VC and the exterior model are outstanding.

huub vink

November 4th, 2009, 04:32

I love flying your early variants FW109, and these somehow look even better again.

Dok, I share your opinion. Compared with these versions the early variants look almost too smooth. This is especially noticable inside the VC. The gauges in the early version were nicely mounted inside an instrument panel, while these version have the instruments bolted more or less on a panel.

From the outside I prefer the bulkier looks from the later versions as well.

That's what I like in these packages. You can really experience the development.

Cheers,
Huub

MudMarine

November 4th, 2009, 05:27

To me both are beautiful in their own ways!:mixedsmi: I like the "history" behind the later models. With the war progressing the German did what it took to try and keep up with all the changes necessary to keep the Fw-190 effective in combat. All the bumps really show that! My personal favorite is the A9 but that's just me!:engel016:

huub vink

November 4th, 2009, 05:52

My personal favorite is the A9 but that's just me!:engel016:

The Sturmjäger is definitely mine :applause:

Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/rmk_20091104_1.jpg

MudMarine

November 4th, 2009, 06:31

The Sturmjäger is definitely mine :applause:

Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/rmk_20091104_1.jpg

SWEET!! The Fw190 looks like a fighter should.......MEAN!!

Mathias

November 4th, 2009, 10:26

...I love flying your early variants FW109, and these somehow look even better again. I cannot wait for this to be released.....

I certainly hope so!
There went a lot more man hours/computation power and CG hokuspokus into the late variant's cockpits.
For instance we were able to increase the computed light rays during the baking process by a factor of 10.
We've produced average 1500 targa files per cockpit which were composed into 350 psd files which were then arranged on the final FSX textures.
The procedural shaders we used in Max are a heap more complex than those used on the early variants with a lot of tablet painting on blend maps (to get varying blends of paint and underlaying material, e.g. metal or bakelite, obviously most noticeable in the scratches but present throughout the mesh) and intensive post editing involved.
As a side effect of the baking process so to speak we were able to create high dynamic specular maps for the VC that you don't get too see all too often in FSX: painted surfaces, organic materials, bare metal parts all use their unique sheen/shine/hotspot values which also take into account ambient occlusion (parts occupied by other stuff aren't as shiney as parts exposed to direct light. You really gotta see that in motion while kicking the plane around the sky.
Getting the lighting right was probably the most challenging part as we're working mostly in the dark grey/black ranges (basically working with the Luftwaffe colors RLM 66 and 22 for the most part) but I'm quite satisfied how it all turns out. I'm really looking forward to update the early variants accordingly.

hews500d

November 4th, 2009, 10:31

I certainly hope so!
There went a lot more man hours/computation power and CG hokuspokus into the late variant's cockpits.
For instance we were able to increase the computed light rays during the baking process by a factor of 10.
We've produced average 1500 targa files per cockpit which were composed into 350 psd files which were then arranged on the final FSX textures.
The shaders we used in Max are a heap more complex than those used on the early variants with a lot of tablet painting on blend maps (to get varying blends of paint and underlaying material, e.g. metal or bakelite, obviously most noticeable in the scratches but present throughout the mesh) and intensive post editing involved.
As a side effect of the baking process so to speak we were able to create high dynamic specular maps for the VC that you don't get too see all too often in FSX: painted surfaces, organic materials, bare metal parts all use their unique sheen/shine/hotspot values which also take into account ambient occlusion (parts occupied by other stuff aren't as shiney as parts exposed to direct light. You really gotta see that in motion while kicking the plane around the sky.
Getting the lighting right was probably the most challenging part as we're working mostly in the dark grey/black ranges (basically working with the Luftwaffe colors RLM 66 and 22 for the most part) but I'm quite satisfied how it all turns out. I'm really looking forward to update the early variants accordingly.

I don't know what the heck you just said but it's undoubtedly worked! :ernae:

I forsee myself picking this one up when released.

Darrell

Nick C

November 4th, 2009, 10:42

I don't know what the heck you just said but it's undoubtedly worked!

Mathias, see I'm not the only one who's challenged by your technical jargon. :d

Mathias

November 4th, 2009, 10:45

Mathias, see I'm not the only one who's challenged by your technical jargon. :d

Aw, forgive me, at times I get a bit over-enthusiastic. :wiggle:
I figure the first sentence with the CG hokuspokus should have been enough :blind::engel016:

hews500d

November 4th, 2009, 10:52

Do you guys have "bloom" turned on in fsx's settings to get that lighting effect in some of the screenshots?

Darrell

Henry

November 4th, 2009, 10:56

Aw, forgive me, at times I get a bit over-enthusiastic. :wiggle:
I figure the first sentence with the CG hokuspokus should have been enough :blind::engel016:
whats hokuspokus mean thats over my head also
mind you a picture tells all
it looks great!
you are doing a fine job:applause::applause:
H

Nick C

November 4th, 2009, 11:02

Do you guys have "bloom" turned on in fsx's settings to get that lighting effect in some of the screenshots?

I have bloom and lens flare turned on in my pictures Darrell.

Nick C

November 4th, 2009, 11:03

whats hokuspokus mean?

Abracadabra any better Henry? :engel016:

spotlope

November 4th, 2009, 11:04

Aw, forgive me, at times I get a bit over-enthusiastic. :wiggle:
I figure the first sentence with the CG hokuspokus should have been enough :blind::engel016:

I don't understand all of what you said, but it's great getting a little peek behind the curtain, Matthias. That's some astoundingly nice work you're producing.

Gibbage

November 4th, 2009, 11:04

From one aircraft modeler to another, truly outstanding work! One of the most accurate and detailed models I have yet to see in FSX! Aircraft like this shows just haw far you can push FSX. Again, amazing work!

Chunk

November 12th, 2009, 18:00

Looking great Mathias! I just purchased the early version yesterday. I was irritated that A2A stopped production on their version, but now I see why. You and your team have done an outstanding job! Thanks for proving me wrong.

deimos256

November 12th, 2009, 18:16

i thought a2a was doing the dora while you guys were concentrating on the A's?

alehead

November 13th, 2009, 03:04

Now I would love to see the Dora done to this level...

This is amazing work, there is no other way to put it.

Ausgezeichnet!

Andrew

huub vink

November 13th, 2009, 07:40

i thought a2a was doing the dora while you guys were concentrating on the A's?

That's correct, its explained here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=17612&highlight=dora

Cheers,
Huub

Mathias

November 17th, 2009, 07:58

Uhm, we also have a Cabriolet version, goes click-click-BOOM:

http://www.classics-hangar.de/videos/Fw190_Canopy_Emergency_Release.wmv

jankees

November 17th, 2009, 08:11

Mathias, stop damaging that beautiful model!!!

deimos256

November 17th, 2009, 11:20

Ah of course I'm trying to view the video on my iPhone and it's wmv haha I'll just wait till I get home.

Nick C

November 23rd, 2009, 12:58

..
A few additional snaps. :engel016:

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http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_053.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_052.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_056.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_055.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_057.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_058.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_059.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_060.jpg
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Ferry_vO

November 23rd, 2009, 13:16

Looks great Mathias!! :applause:

If you need any more photos: I had a great opportunity to get a lot of photos of the Flug Werk FW-190A-8/N while it was in the Netherlands for a short visit.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/BGL%20fly%20in/IMG_5655.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/BGL%20fly%20in/IMG_5734.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/BGL%20fly%20in/IMG_5957.jpg

And there's about seventy more from that day... :engel016:

Mathias

November 23rd, 2009, 13:34

Looks great Mathias!! :applause:

If you need any more photos: I had a great opportunity to get a lot of photos of the Flug Werk FW-190A-8/N while it was in the Netherlands for a short visit.

And there's about seventy more from that day... :engel016:

Thanks a bunch, Ferry.
Actually I have quite a lot of shots of the Flugwerk birds as we're in regular contact with Claus Colling of Flugwerk.
If you check their site there's a link to us with more to come very soon.
The problem when re-creating the historical otiginal is that the Flugwerk plane has some considerable detail differences so that it's not really usefull as a visual template (if you're a picky nutter like me that is).
We got some excellent feedback on the flight behaviour though.
Thanks anyway for your gracious offer, that's much apprechiated!

BTW, we're about a week away from release, give or take a day or two. :engel016:

Nick C

November 23rd, 2009, 13:36

Very nice, Lelystad I presume? Prior to Aerosoft's version I'd never have known that, strange old world isn't it. :d

deimos256

November 23rd, 2009, 13:39

amazing news mathias i was just about to ask when she was getting kicked out of the barn

Nick C

November 23rd, 2009, 13:44

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Ratatatat
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http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_061.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_062.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_063.jpg
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Ferry_vO

November 23rd, 2009, 14:01

Very nice, Lelystad I presume? Prior to Aerosoft's version I'd never have known that, strange old world isn't it. :d

:icon_lol:

Indeed it is!

Nick C

November 23rd, 2009, 14:08

No wonder that Mustang got away, I've just noticed I had no ammo! :173go1:

sparouty

November 23rd, 2009, 14:37

Hi everybody!
Mathias, can you precise one point for me please, because I'm a little lost?
Above, on the screenshot of the cockpit, viewed from the outside, is it a Virtual Cockpit view or an external view???
Your work is so amazing that I can't see difference beween both models...:isadizzy:

Regards,
Sylvain

Nick C

November 23rd, 2009, 14:43

It's a VC view.

An example of the external view is as follows:

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/classics_hangar/fw190/ch_fw190_054.jpg

JorisVandenBerghe

November 24th, 2009, 00:20

This is one of the very few items which will appear to on my to-buy list. Having seen the Flugwerk aircraft fly in person at Duxford this year meant a lot to me...what a mighty and mean but beautiful machine, both in real life and in the Classics Hangar rendition.

Naki

November 24th, 2009, 01:44

Mathias

November 24th, 2009, 02:00

Looks great!..is there going to be a Flugwerke version of your model? Just wondered as a Flug Werke 190 is on its way to New Zealand (the original prototype) and I tend to only get a/c with a NZ connection.

Thanks Naki!
Unfortunately we don't do the Flugwerk version for initial release since the developement of the modern equipment would delay a release by another two month.
Chance is that we add it at a later date as a bonus, but don't hold your breath on it right now.
When/if it's going to happen I'll announce it in time.