WWI Zepplin Is Landing

[CrisGer]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7987/zeppliinposter.jpg
German WWI L Class Zepplin

L44 CFS2 Zepplin by Gary Aumaugher
http://www.filefront.com/17709324/L44.zip

Gary Aumaugher has very kindly given us his L44 German Zepplin CFS2 model for uploading and sharing here at SOH. He says it is an alpha condition with some more adjustments he wanted to do, it but has very generously agree to launch it over to us, and it is landing now. I will attach the files as they are currently, he is going to send me the Pantshop Pro texture template files so we can make skins for it, it has a nice gray skin now, according to our first tester, "in overall gray which comes out a nice silver with a little specular shine" Also hopefully if tweaks are needed I am hopeful that the seasoned and experienced hands here can help with that. This was a very generous and kind gesture on Gary's part and gives us a important unit to add to our growing WWI revival for CFS2. I wil upload it here as soon as i get the texture templates.

The read me is included and updated to include Gary's request that we keep all the origina fles together. Those who understand and can pls check over the controls, and panel, I may have an alternate panel if we need one.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8391/thekaiser.jpg
Three Cheers for the Kaiser

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7961/viktorialouisezepplinov.jpg

Zepplin over Kiel Regatta Year unknown.

WWI and Zepplin's
Naval and Army Use of Zepplin Rigid Airships
Often used in squadrons of up to 8 units at a time, for reconissance and bombing and harrasement misions, these were the most effective ariel units of the war until the development of fighters caught up with them. Most use was by the Imperial German High Seas fleet though early on the German Army tried to use Zeps (technically, I think the Army's airships were wooden-framed Schutte-Lanz types not Zeppelins) in their intended role of reconnaisance and paid the price, though IIRC AA fire may have been more effective than planes. The Navy used Zeps extensively early war in maritime reconnaisance over the North Sea mainly, until seaplanes and the likes of Camels launched from various seaborne means became a threat. Several airships were lost to these means; the 2F1 ship's Camel was often seen in the markings of a Zeppelin-killer, Cully IIRC.

The most famous clashes between Zeps and planes were during the (mostly night-time) airship raids on England. Leefe-Robinson, shot down in a new Bristol Fighter F2A by Jasta 11's Festner in April 1917, got his VC for shooting down SL11 in a Morane Parasol. Combat Aces, the CFS2 WW1 add-on, has some anti-Zep night missions in an Avro 504C, which are quite fun, in a dark, slow-motion kind of way, with decent effects and a suitable RFC plane or two.

There are several good books on the subject but I particularly recommend "The Friendless Sky" by the great writer Alexander McKee. Has a very readable chapter on zeppelin operations, long out-of-print but may be available cheap on e-bay. No illustrations but a more readable and enjoyable account of WW1 in the air from about every viewpoint would be very hard to find.
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http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7317/zepplinwwia.jpg

[CrisGer]

OldWheat was kind enough to test the new Zepplin for us and discoverd that the texture in the texture folder is not what shows up on the the craft...



, it is actually finished in overall gray which comes out a nice silver with a little specular shine. I don't know what ...that 'fuselage 1' .bmp is mapped to. I suspect it is linked to nothing & is in the texture folder by mistake. Looks like an aircraft to me. It flies quite realistically & shoots down nicely but not too easily. Perhaps the .dp could be tweaked for more smoke & flame.


sounds promising.... Gary has said to me that he had wanted to do more work in it but perhaps that was tweaking as he tries to get things as totaly historically accurate as possible.

from Gary:


Chris,
No problem on the L 44. I will get you the PSP files to work from. I haven't touched the Aerocrate files in a long time. I am still design aircraft but now I have to go to the field to fly them. I have been become totally immersed in radio control again after a 15 year layoff. The first thing I started with was an SE5a. I quickly moved on the higher performance and now pattern ships but biplanes still tug at my heart.
Anyway, the L 44 was never finished. The flight model has some real problems and it has nowhere near the detail I intended but just ran out of time to devote to it. All I ask to to credit and keep the files together.


here are pics courtesy of OldWheat :)

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2461/zepplinpic1.jpg

and the panel has working guagues...

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9199/zeppanel2.jpg

Maybe we can get one of our scenery wizards to enarge one of the stock or community made hangers into a Zepplin Shed :)

[FlyTexas]

Very nice! :ernae:

Brian

[Cody Coyote]

OldWheat was kind enough to test the new Zepplin for us and discoverd that the texture in the texture folder is not what shows up on the the craft..



I had noticed that before I sent it to you but opted not to remove that file. The L44 folder I have is over 20MB in size and contains extra model files and a PSP file named ZepPanel that was in the panel folder. I extracted all that extra stuff before I sent the zip to you. If either you or Oldwheat want those extra files (of if Gary doesn't provide them) let me know and I'll forward them to you.

[CrisGer]

Cody I would love to get all the files thanks. Gary said he was busy and it might take some time to get me the files. I would love to see it all.

i will pm you various options for sharing

[CrisGer]

Just obtained the complete FULL set of files for the Zepplin contains additonal textures and model files.
Full CFS2 German Zepplin L44 Model Set
http://www.filefront.com/14825217/L44---Full.zip/

[R C CAWTE]

Just D/Ld her.Ive been looking for one of these for ages.:ernae:

[CrisGer]

Cheers RC, yep this is the only one I know of we have currently. And Gary just sent me the texture files which I will attach here, which will allow us to make new skins. :) Happy Launching!

[oldwheat]

New skins will most likely be 'shades of gray' with different numbers. Anybody have any possible schemes? Also, where & how did the zeppelins stow their bombs?

[CrisGer]

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9509/l16n.jpg
Note Iron Cross on underside, format for Number and the gondola design. This was in one of the Zepplin sheds. Photo also gives some detail for them.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2972/zfleety.jpg

an actual Zepplin Fleet attacking England taken fromm another Zepplin. Evidently fleets of up to 12 Zepplins attacked at times, one fleet had 8 naval Zepplins and 4 Army Zepplins. There were two major manufacturers and three differnt types that evolved.
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At the beginning of the war, the Zeppelin airships had a framework composed of triangular lattice girders, covered with fabric and containing separate gas cells. Multi-plane, later cruciform, tail fins were used for control and stability, and two engine/crew cars hung beneath the hull driving propellers attached to the sides of the frame by means of long drive shafts. Additionally there was a passenger compartment (later a bomb bay) located halfway between the two cars.

Not all the "Zeppelins" were in fact Zeppelins some (including Leef Robinson's victim) were Schutz Lange which differed from the Zeps in the hull design (continuous curves) and construction (mainly wood). Some Parsival rigid airships were also used in mainland Europe. The range of true Zeppelin types also varied as the war went on with new height climbers and 'super zeppelins'. As a result the bomb load and types of bomb varied considerably but in general released from bomb racks from within the hull.

Zepplin Library
http://www.ciderpresspottery.com/ZLA.html (http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9509/l16n.jpg)

Great article here...

[URL]http://www.firstworldwar.com/airwar/bombers_zeppelins.htm

and here:

http://www.richthofen.com/dark_autumn/

Castle, H.G. Fire Over England. Secker & Warburg, 1982
Manchester Guardian History of the War. John Heywood LTD. 1916
Robinson, Douglas. The Zeppelin in Combat. Schiffer Military History, 1994
Scheer, Reinhard. Germany's High Sea Fleet in the World War. Cassel & Co. LTD. 1920
Zeppelin! by Ray Rimmell, ISBN 0 85177 239 0;
The Zeppelin in Combat by Dr Douglas Robinson, ISBN 0 85429 130 X; and
The Air Defence of Britain 1914-1918 by Christopher Cole and Frank Cheesman, ISBN 0 370 30538 8.

[sc7500]

Man - give me a quiet night and a fast internet connection....

I Found a TON of "New To Me" WW1 dirigible images - included below is a small list of the better resource pages, and a few teaser photos...

OW, PM me with your email addy - I have an early Holiday Package for you...

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http://www.airshipmodeler.com/ [Membership needed to view images]

http://www.rodenplant.com/HTML/framemodels.htm

http://spot.colorado.edu/~dziadeck/airship/gifts.htm

http://www.airship-model.com/Luftschiffe.html

http://p.webring.com/hub?ring=zeppring

http://www.worldwar1.com/sfzepp.htm

http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/aviation.htm

http://www.usd116.org/ProfDev/AHTC/images/WWI/WWI.html

http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive3.htm

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http://www.historynet.com/zeppelin-world-cruise-globe-trotting-leviathan.htm

"...Graf Zeppelin was not only an airship but also a work of art. Aesthetics
and aerodynamics seemed to meet in its graceful form. Its cotton skin
was protected by no fewer than six layers of paint and dope. The paint
was silver, the better to reflect the sun’s rays and thus reduce the heat
inflation of the hydrogen. As an added touch, the painted surface was
sandpapered smooth, leaving a’sculptured’ sheen that offered little wind resistance..."
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Enjoy !
SC
:kilroy:

[CrisGer]

fantastic work SC

here are some really helpful shots:

http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/image3/L30_LZ62.jpg
L30
http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/image3/imagLZ30_1.jpg
L 30 after the addition of machine gun implacement on topside.

http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/1a/images/zep.jpg
L95 in dark paint
http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/1a/images/zep_L63.jpg
L 63 showing white outlines cross
and a fantastic picture of a base....can anyone make one of these for us ???
http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/image3/tonder.jpg

If we had one generic base we could make a bunch of them for the diffeerent locations...esp if the sheds were GSL and destructable.

[oldwheat]

I notice that a couple of 'hydrogen fire' effects are called for in the .DP. Does anyone happen to have them?

[kdriver]

Here they are:

[miamieagle]

This is truely a very interesting post. Thank you Guys!:icon29:

[oldwheat]

Thanks Kdriver! Off to check 'em out.

P.S. I'm going to see what I can do with zep hangers this weekend. I'm not really sure how the 'destroyable' thingy works but assume it is an LOD linked to a trigger which brings up the question: will 'destroyed' & distance LODs work in the same .mdl?

[CrisGer]

thanks a million for the sheds, i am a noob at making things in here, hope to learn but am running to catch up at work.... sheds would give us good centerpieces for missions, and the allies did raid and destroy a number of them and the Zeps inside. There were over 125 Zepplins in service thru the war, there must be some sheds left standing i imagine just as there are still some of the huge hangars here in the US at Moffit Field and other places.

I am not sure if we will be able to fly the Zeps in and out of hangars but at least maybe we can make a static model of one to put in them.

[Ravenna]

This is all very welcome. I just took the Zep for a flight and it looks great. The only addition I would make is to the ordnance. I have seen a photo of large bombs next to a Zeppelin hangar. Some of the bombs were well over twice the size of the men standing beside them. It seems to me most likely that this ordnance would have been stored vertically, probably in cells. I seem to recall having something like this for one of the large 4 engined WW1 bombers.
CrisGer, you would be able to place the Zep in a large hangar using the MB to place the "aircraft" as a static object.

[Devildog73]

Can you imagine flying trans Atlantic in one of those monsters??? Anybody got an arctic sleeping bag?

[sc7500]

I don't remember much French, but here's an image of the combination Crew Quarters / Bomb Bay (!!!)

SC
:kilroy:

[FlyTexas]

Can you imagine flying trans Atlantic in one of those monsters???

Can you imagine trying to sleep in the bomb bay of one of these hydrogen-filled beasts?? These guys were nuts! :icon_lol:

Brian

[CrisGer]

Life on the Zepplins got a lot less comfortable and a lot more nervous after they began to be shot down on the raids over London, moral reportedly plummeted after one of the largest of the main fleet Zepplins was shot down over London and fell on fire from many thousands of ft. There were no survivors. I wonder why they did not have parachutesx.

[Finn]

I just found a Zep base from the late Aer. The file is called zep.zip. never tried to install it, but in case you want it, just give me your mail again.
Finn

[CrisGer]

Yes that is a good one, it has a base near the front line and that is the one shed we have so far. I believe they have that at simaviation or flightsim, not sure which.

[R C CAWTE]

Anyone else having problems with the Zep in MB? It tends to just spin out of control and crash for me:isadizzy:.

Im using it as AI for target practice,but she starts to wobble and lose height as I enter the combat area and crashes before i get to shoot at her.

(I guess it saves on bullets)My Sopwith Pup is getting lonely up here!!!

[sc7500]

"... Anyone else having problems with the Zep in MB? It tends to just spin out of control and crash for me..."

RC, this sounds like the AI control issues that CFS2 has with some larger (or more complex) aircraft.

Try going into the Aircraft.cfg file and lowering the numbers shown in RED below by Half (your original numbers may be different, but the idea's the same):
---------------------------------------------------------------
;Moments of Inertia
empty_weight_roll_MOI = 217421.29 //slug-ft^2
empty_weight_pitch_MOI = 187288.65 //slug-ft^2
empty_weight_yaw_MOI = 343138.88 //slug-ft^2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Make a copy of your original CFG file First, RC - no sense dancing on razors this weekend - and let's see if things improve for you...

Best
SC
:kilroy:

[CrisGer]

I sent you a link RC to something that may help you out.

[kdriver]

Is this of any use? It's Cardington Airship Station for FS2004 by John McKeon. It works in CFS 2 except for some missing library objects. The R101 is in one of the hangars.

[CrisGer]

wow, i had forgotten about that. great find. I think those will work great, are the missing objects essential? maybe we can subsitute for them.

[R66C]

Sorry for digging up old thread everybody, but does anybody still have the L-44? I tried both filefront links many times, and both of them doesn't seem to work anymore.
Thanks in advance.

[simonu]

Hello R66C, I missed this one first time around also. Maybe one of the fellas will oblige us with the files?

The aerocrate site (http://www.aerocrate.com/home.html) is still working, but no Zepplins there.

[Seagull V]

I second simonu's request !!!!!!

[watchdog22]

I would like to see this beast uploaded here too

[R66C]

Ok, I sent an e-mail to Gary himself. Let's hope he still got the archives. I'll post later if I'll get an answer.

[kdriver]

The L-63 for FS2004 by Alexander Belov at AVSIM is a very nice one as well.

[kdriver]

Sorry, I forgot the L-44.

[kdriver]

Alexander Belov has a few other goodies for FS2004 which work in CFS 2: airship stations at Karachi, Ismailia (Egypt), Cardington (England), St-Hubert (Canada), Tondern (Germany), as well as pre-war Aeropostale stations in France, West Africa, Canary Islands and Brazil.

[PJMack]

Im interested as well. Thank you.:jump:

[sc7500]

...Sorry, I forgot the L-44...

THANK YOU, KD ! :wavey:

I searched and searched, but couldn't find this file to save my toes....

Mele Kalikimaka :santahat:
SC
:kilroy:

PS - While researching Belov's work, I ran across this web page FULL of historical photos....

Hint Hint....

http://mainescenery.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=scene&action=print&thread=9684

[simonu]

kdriver, IS DA MAN! thankyou.

[Captain Kurt]

Kdriver,

Unfortunately the zip file is corrupted and won't open - at least for me. Would you please give it one more try?

Thanks

[simonu]

Seems OK to me Captain Kurt maybe you should try it again.

[Robert John]

Unfortunately the zip file is corrupted for me as well. tried two times

[R66C]

kdriver, thanks for this one! :ernae:
Also, I had some problems on takeoff (prop stikes or even ground crashes). Corrected the contact points, and now it launches smooth and stable - just changed this:
point.0=1, 15.50, 0.00, -12.30, 100, 0, 1.50, 42.7, 1.06, 2.5, 0.70, 6.0, 7.0, 0
point.1=1, -1.50, -13.17, -12.00, 100, 1, 2.50, 0.0, 1.06, 2.5, 0.86, 7.5, 8.5, 2
point.2=1, -1.50, 13.17, -12.00, 100, 2, 2.50, 0.0, 1.06, 2.5, 0.86, 7.0, 8.0, 3
to this:
point.0=1, 17.00, 0.00, -12.30, 100, 0, 1.50, 42.7, 1.06, 2.5, 0.70, 6.0, 7.0, 0
point.1=1, -39.00, -13.17, -12.00, 100, 1, 2.50, 0.0, 1.06, 2.5, 0.86, 7.5, 8.5, 2
point.2=1, -39.00, 13.17, -12.00, 100, 2, 2.50, 0.0, 1.06, 2.5, 0.86, 7.0, 8.0, 3
Hope it will help somebody else.

[sc7500]

...Unfortunately the zip file is corrupted for me as well. tried two times...

Gents;

I had the same experience - it received a good d/l on my 3rd try.

PERSISTENCE !!!!!! :snowman:
SC
:kilroy:

[kdriver]

Thanks R66C for that modification.

I forgot to mention Alexander Belov also made the British WW1 airship R23. There is also a weathered texture and a fantastic panel for the L-63 by Jojo Maes aka Slide. Both these airships need modifications to the contact points for CFS2.

Here's the L-44 again.

Merry Xmas Everyone!

[Captain Kurt]

No joy, 6 downloads of the first post and 7 of the second - none are good. It keeps showing that it is part of a multi part zip file and needs second part to open. An occasional bad download is possible but I wouldn't think it would happen over and over - it's consistent.

[watchdog22]

Same here, no joy with the downloads :crybaby:

[simonu]

Thats curious I've tested both links and they work for me.

[R66C]

By the way, just curious, L-44 belongs to "Height Climbers", as the RFC pilots called them, or "Super Zeppelins Class" ("s" type)? I'd tried to find it by myself, but no exact info on that found.

[kdriver]

That is strange with the downloads. I can email if you like. Any other suggestions?

[CrisGer]

kdriver can you e mail me the file and i can try to check it out and put it into the first post of this thread?
Your posted zip is corrupted in the download .....

thanks for the work on this. I see the file has gotten larger did you add new textures or sound files? thanks again. I will PM you my addy.

for now we have restored the download in the first post with the corrected version ..that R66C did very kindly for us. Hopefuly I can get a Naval skin done for this beast as well as I want to set up some WWI naval campaigns going and I am working to get CFS2 ships to fire at each other and do damage so we can at least do Jutland and Dogger Bank and the Zep raids on the UK. Sorry to have taken so long to get the original file back up.

[R66C]

Talking about fixes - I'd tested this beast as AI-driven one, on stock CFS2 terrain (one of German airbases, taken from original CFS, can't remember which one exactly). Good thing that our friend AI can handle this on takeoff, with some issues, but still, he can. Bad thing is that I still can't figure out how to fix that non-colliding parts.
And talking about Naval campaigns - as far as I know, in at least two of Alexander Belov's addons for FS2k4 you can find many nice WW1 ships (Zenta class cruisers, torpedo boats, even U-boats). As far as I understand, is that possible to convert them from scenery BGL's to MDL's with corresponding .DP's and .CFG's? Maybe I'll try to contact with him about this little idea. Will see.

[CrisGer]

that would be great to have, we need torpedo boats very much, i was going to re texture a WWII ship but having a actual WWI model would be wonderful. Zeta too. I dont have any of those if you can find them and send me examples it would be great. I can re texture as not many people know that most of the torpedo boats of WWI were painted black from all navies for low visitiblity and night action.... thanks a lot.

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/HU007360.jpg?size=67&uid=30ea2e25-dd00-4965-8050-4c06203a7568&uniqID=376ea772-b1d1-41d8-8597-08615a5fe272

High Seas Fleet Torpedo Boat flotilla

[R66C]

Check your mail, I sent some nice screenies from that addon for FS2k4 that I was talking about.

[CrisGer]

wow, remarkable. ah, those are for FS2002? i have that but did not know there were naval updates.

[simonu]

for now we have restored the download in the first postThanks for sorting that out Chris.
I happen to notice the eyepoint seems too high in the aircraft.cfg


[Views]
;eyepoint=246.6,0.000000,6.3 ;value in download
eyepoint=246.6,0.000000,2.3 ;value to see interior model from helmsmans eyepoint

[Tboomer57]

I suppose this has been discussed..............

I downloaded, but haven't tried it yet


http://www.simviation.com/cfs2aircraft18.htm

[simonu]

That is a great pack Tboomer57, I was thinking of mentioning it myself.
I like the way he did the parasite aircraft recovery.
The mother is actually a ship, a carrier with a tiny invisible landing platform right under the recovery hook. The parasite fighter has "superflaps" that enable you to fly the plane at the same slow speed as the Airship. It is still a tricky landing. The player flyable version of the airship is scaled down a bit. The history of the American Airships (http://www.airships.net/us-navy-rigid-airships/uss-akron-macon) is fascinating
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[TARPSBird]

The Akron/Macon package is a lot of fun. I almost think it's more challenging to trap aboard the CFS2 versions than it was the real ones. :d

[CrisGer]

Thanks Simonu for that eyepoint fix, i will test it out and add it to the download with thanks....great to have all the help fixing this beast :)

ys i knew of that pack, it is great, a bit later in period than the Zeps..but I do enjoy all the airship history and details. Sadly the US airship fleet suffered disasterous losses that doomed that arm of the service except for the non rigid blimps which were active all the way up to my own youth, i remember them well flying from Lindberg Field in San Diego, droning across the blue California sky.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4895/zepplinoverhighseasflee.jpg

German Naval Zepplin over the High Seas Fleet at Sea

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7365/zep4.jpg

Over the Fifth Battle Squadron

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8735/zep2.jpg

A Sister Zepplin in the Surveillance Airship Squadron

A problem i am having is getting far enough away from the player aircraft to get a decent screenshot, the external camera is too close to the airship..is there a fix for this? We need a lot more distance for a ship of this size.

[simonu]

Use chase view. it zooms out further you can also chase other units in the mission and so get a view from the ships. Chase view is CTRL+F4 (CFS2Combat Keymap) or C (FS/CFS1 Keymap) TAB cycles through mission units.

[CrisGer]

ah ha, thank you.... much appreciate that. :salute:

[Captain Kurt]

Thanks for reloading in the first post. I was finally able to get it and open it. :jump:

[CrisGer]

Good, glad to hear that Captain. let us know if you find any bugs.. we have tweaked the CFGs...as is permitted by the original author, he gave us the file set to use as long as we keep all the contents..but we are allowed to tweak and improve. So enjoy and do let us know if you find any improvements. I may try to improve the external texture of the gas bag as it is a bit plain, ie a large flat gray area....but that will have to come when there is time.

Also operational units has unit or id numbers and that may be something to add too. Machine gun nests were added to the top frame as well..they must have been pretty cold in those positions.

I still wish they could have managed parachutes for those lads.

[R66C]

Well, I just got an answer from Alexander Belov, and he agree on conversion of his objects into both BGL-libraries and ship MDL's.

[tonybones2112]

Friends, I ain;t had the time to look through this thread, what's the word on the L-44? I have it, someplace, but lost interest in it when I found you can fly right through it and the only way you can destroy it is to hit one of the gondolas. Has there been an update?

Thanks

Bones

[CrisGer]

Well you can check out the download in the first post of this thread...and see, we have made some changes with the permission of the creator...and will be happy to look into further fixes. There are no other Zepplins available for CFS2 other than a payware from an old old add on set, and this one has the most promise. If there are things that need fixing this is the place to post about it..if we need to improve the dp then that is something to go on the list. :salute: that is great news R66C and very nice of him to give his consent.

I am trying to remember what needs to be changed for conversions...texture format maybe and some other things i am sure... maybe Colin can help us with the ship conversions.. that will be great to add those lovely ships that Belov made to the CFS2 Fleet. And the Sheds are sorely needed for accurate Zepplin missions for they were the sortie start and end point for all the Zepplins in the war and a target for bombing missions by the allies.

[tonybones2112]

Cris, thank you. I love this L-44 and my favorite thing I'd want to do flying WW1 would be blimp busting, glad you all are working on it, I'll take some time and look through the threads. The missus here is not well and I keep a pretty close eye on her.

Tony

[simonu]

I just took a look at the L63.
The model converts very nicely with no need to fix any animations.
Because it is painted black and has no shiney parts there are no issues with texture format.
Only the flight model needs work, I'd suggest using the L-44 flight model and combat model. They are ready to go and the two airships are more or less the same size.
Now for some details The L63 has no LOD models but is only 10516 polygons.
The L44 has three levels of detail the highest being 23120 polygons the lowest 4428 polys.
You can figure the balance and effect on frame rates.
I also took a look at the adriatic scenery pack.
You cant use it directly but the scenery is old style FS2k2 coding so those scenery bgls could be scasm hacked into ship models. Once again there is no levels of detail but they are quite lo res.

[Captain Kurt]

ClassicBritishFiles.com also has an airship base scenery for download. It is the John McKeon scenery for Fs9 of the Cardington Airship Station in Bedfordshire where R-100 and R-101 were moored mentioned earlier in this post. It has sheds, a mooring mast and a static R101. There are 2 files, the base and an update. I don't know if someone could convert these to CFS2 but they look really good.

http://www.classicbritishfiles.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=162&func=select&id=4&orderby=2&page=2

http://www.classicbritishfiles.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=162&func=select&id=4&orderby=2&page=3

[CrisGer]

Somewhere there is an observation balloon for WWI of the type that both sides uses...was it AeroCrates? not sure..i dont recall..but hopefully it will turn up too. That is good news about the L 63, yes some of the night raider zeps were painted black...and i see there is one of that ilk in the zep shed that Mr Belov did.... that will be a good addition. I would think the cfgs will work out if they are the same size... I am testing maneuvering them as a fleet, so far there were some funny activities by a few fleet members but overall i think it will work.... have to try the damage model out and see about that next.

Captain those sheds from the UK base are great, they would work if we cant convert the zep sheds that Mr B did, the German sheds were a bit different in design..we have a pic earlier in this thread...straight sides is the largest diff but they would certainly work. Those were certainly engineering marvels for that time and technology.


AIR RAID ON NAMUR PLEASES LONDON; Retaliatory Attack on Zeppelin Sheds Approved Amid Discussion of Home Air Defense. SOME THINK IT IMPROVED Others Think Every Aircraft That Visits England Should Be Brought Down.

Special Cable to THE NEW YORK TIMES. ();

August 27, 1916,

, Section , Page 5, Column , words

LONDON, Aug. 26. -- The bulletin issued today by the Admiralty of the British aeroplane attack on the Zeppelin sheds, near Namur, was generally hailed with satisfaction as in line of the "defensive offensive" policy advocated by the majority of air experts, whose views have received most pub licity in the popular newspapers.

here is an interesting revolving zep shed:

http://www.gwpda.org/photos/coppermine/albums/uploads/working/02558.jpg

and the more normal type:

http://www.onesuffolk.co.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4EA8A481-F0DE-429A-B9AB-C0A0480FC99A/250160/shedscomp.jpg


the Zep sheds at Nordholz, L48 shared the shed in the distance middle with L 42

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/06/article-1292462-0A4259DB000005DC-639_634x151.jpg


In late 1914, the first long-range air attacks were undertaken by the Royal Naval Air Service against the Zeppelin sheds in Cologne and Düsseldorf. The German airships were a menace to British shipping and a threat to British cities. The inspiration behind the attacks was the First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill. British seaplanes were based in the Channel to protect the waterway and to shorten the distance to Germany. The attacks proved effective and continued into 1915. That year the Admiralty developed plans to attack German industry as well, but they were suspended in the spring of 1917. Churchill was always an enthusiast for bombing and aerial attacks on German industry were approved a few days after he became Prime Minister in May 1940.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1292462/Ten-greatest-Aerial-engagements.html#ixzz19SQtiIz4

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/9/8/28/f_ZeppelinXThm_744e0b6.jpg

I think this is the destruction of LZ37 over Belgium by an RAF pilot

Since the destruction of these sky monsters was spectacular due to the gas I imagine we could include some of the special effects that ghostpony and others developed to make it accurate.

maybe we can sneak in a few parachutes.

[CrisGer]

I found some sheds: already for CFS2 dont know how good they are...

CFS2 WW1 SCENERY ww1 zeppelin base (http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/syb2.cgi?section=cfs&file=zep.zip)..at the trenchs Two WW1 air strips with refuelling zeppelin surrounded by trees. and a large system of trenchs APPEARS IN AIRFIELD MENU.AS WW1/aer zep made with fssc . macros by martin wright (and myself via EOD) and trench textures by norman turner ..........Chris Benson. 263K


http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/syb2.cgi?section=cfs&file=zep.zip

and WWI Trenches front line and 14 air bases with refueling for both sides here:
AIR World War One scenery for CFS2. Included are 14 airfields 7 German and 7 allied (13 have refueling areas) also a multiswap mission to put flak over the trenches get cfs2 multiswapper from raf662.com I know there was no adf in ww1 but i put in ndb's anyway (in case you get lost!!) Amiens 200 Auxi-le-Chateau 201 Bertangles 202 Bruay-eu-Artois 203 Cachy 204 Cambrai 205 Cappy 206 Douai 207 Lagincourt & Favreuil 208 Lille 209 Noex-le-Mines 210 St Quentin 211 St Pol-sur-Ternois 212 Hopefully I'll be able to improve it later (railroads,roads etc) but I've had enough for now!!! Steve Richardson. 1.7MB

http://www.simviation.com/1/download?file=WW1Cfs2scenery.zip

[R66C]

Okay, just tried to make a "fast" conversion (MDL only) by myself. Still, I'm a newbie in MCFS2 coding, so the visual model didn't showed up properly.
Source file was NorthSea-5.bgl from Zeppelin_Bases_2 (1 object, lightship, to be more exact).
So I changed the start of file, added some of SCASM related stuff:
Set( BUF 4096 )
Set( LABELS 9000 )
Set( PATCHES 9000 )
Set( LINBUF 8192 )
Set( MAXPTLST 3000 )
Set( FSVERS 0x0800 )
and deleted this:
LatRange( N53:25:56.73 N53:31:20.70 )
Then, compiled that with SCA296 and converted into MDL by means of umdl.
After decompilation of the file, I got message about 11 Unknown BGL opcodes.
Talking about the start of decompiled file, it looks like this:
Set( RAW 1 )
Set( BUF 4096 )
Set( LABELS 9000 )
Set( PATCHES 9000 )
Set( LINBUF 8192 )
Set( MAXPTLST 3000 )
Set( FSVERS 0x0610 )

Area( R )

Perspective
RefPoint( nsi :[ -124 ] 0x04 v1= 0 v2= 20 )
;uName: uOffset: 0x90
IfVarAnd( :L0010A6 0x90 0x08 )
VFileMarker( 100 )
;uName: uOffset: 0x68
IfVarAnd( :L0010A8 0x68 0x8002 )
Call( :L0010C0 )
RefPoint( nsi :[ -152 ] 0x04 v1= 0 v2= 20 )
SetScaleX( :[ -164 ] 0 0 7 )
PBHCall( :L001156 0x1C )

So, can anybody tell me about some errors in this?
Thanks in advance.

[CrisGer]

I found the full file set for the L 44 which includes an extra skin with camoflage (not sure of the accuracy but it is nice to have an additonal resource) and some additonal working files..i will get it uploaded and restore the link for it tomorrow/today...as i was up all night working on projects...but soon. Just glad i was able to find it, Cody was kind enough to share it with us as earlier posts will indicate and now we can restore that link.:salute:

[Tboomer57]

I had to try out the USS Akron........

Sorry............just a quick pic........

I know its not the right vintage.........but it's a ridged airship...........

and gets one in the airship frame of mind........if not in the ballpark

[simonu]

Set( RAW 1 )
Set( BUF 4096 )
Set( LABELS 9000 )
Set( PATCHES 9000 )
Set( LINBUF 8192 )
Set( MAXPTLST 3000 )
Set( FSVERS 0x0610 )

Area( R )

Perspective
RefPoint( nsi :[ -124 ] 0x04 v1= 0 v2= 20 )
;uName: uOffset: 0x90
IfVarAnd( :L0010A6 0x90 0x08 )
VFileMarker( 100 )
;uName: uOffset: 0x68
IfVarAnd( :L0010A8 0x68 0x8002 )
Call( :L0010C0 )
RefPoint( nsi :[ -152 ] 0x04 v1= 0 v2= 20 )
SetScaleX( :[ -164 ] 0 0 7 )
PBHCall( :L001156 0x1C )
So, can anybody tell me about some errors in this?
Thanks in advance. R66C its difficult to trouble shoot with just snippets of code. But since you ask.
I will add comments to your snip that might help you understand it better

Set( RAW 1 )
Set( BUF 4096 ) ;This section passes
Set( LABELS 9000 ) ;some set up instructions
Set( PATCHES 9000 ) ;to SCASM.exe
Set( LINBUF 8192 ) ;the line buffer setting is most useful, double
Set( MAXPTLST 3000 ) ; it if scasm throws line buffer errors
Set( FSVERS 0x0610 )

Area( R )

Perspective
RefPoint( nsi :[ -124 ] 0x04 v1= 0 v2= 20 ) ; label in this line points to a location 124 bytes before, it doesn't exist!
;uName: uOffset: 0x90 ;Parts vis test
IfVarAnd( :L0010A6 0x90 0x08 ) ;jump to Label :L0010A6 if parts "All other" not visible
VFileMarker( 100 )
;uName: uOffset: 0x68 ;Gen model test
IfVarAnd( :L0010A8 0x68 0x8002 ) ;jump to Label :L0010A8 if exterior model not shown
Call( :L0010C0 )
RefPoint( nsi :[ -152 ] 0x04 v1= 0 v2= 20 )
SetScaleX( :[ -164 ] 0 0 7 )
PBHCall( :L001156 0x1C )There isn't enough here to tell if the code is sane, But it is unusual to see parts vis before Gen model! I do not think parts vis should be used in ship models.

All the info you need can be gleaned from Caleb Flerks site (http://www.cfgse.calebflerk.com/)
and if that isn't enough the SCASM docs are here (http://www.scasm.de/doc/index.htm)
Book mark these pages!
Try deconstructing a stock ship model and study that.

[CrisGer]

Thanks Simonu for that info on SCASM it is nice to see the Akron aloft again.

Here is the complete original L44 set of files from the creator...remember we have found some fixes here in this thread so update as you see fit....

http://www.filefront.com/17729501/L44 - Full.ZIP (http://www.filefront.com/17729501/L44---Full.ZIP)
L44 Full File Set Original

due to the way that this forum site creates url's be sure to copy and past the ENTIRE address of the link if you are saving the address..it WILL work as a hot link but for some reason..it refuses to add the final dash and Full.ZIP for some reason to the text here

[tonybones2112]

Cris, Aerocrates has several nice observation balloons that can be used as Brit, French, and German.

Tony

[tonybones2112]

Here they are:

They don;t show up here KD.

Bones

[simonu]

http://www.aerocrate.com/home.html

[CrisGer]

ah ha, that is where they are lurking, i had fogotten but i was sure there were some ..thanks to the Lads at Aerocrats for those....now we can go balloon hunting.....thanks a lot for that.

http://www.aerocrate.com/images/Parseval.jpg (http://www.aerocrate.com/documents/Parseval.zip) Three versions of the Parseval observation baloons, German, British and French markings. One of the most common baloon types on the Western Front. Using these in missions is tricky so make sure and read the instructions. Last updated 2/8/2007. Size 2.9M

http://www.aerocrate.com/documents/Parseval.zip

[CrisGer]

Anyone do any more testing or improvements to the Zepplin? Any Zep Sheds in the making? :guinness:

[Blondi]

ah ha, that is where they are lurking, i had fogotten but i was sure there were some ..thanks to the Lads at Aerocrats for those....now we can go balloon hunting.....thanks a lot for that.

http://www.aerocrate.com/images/Parseval.jpg (http://www.aerocrate.com/documents/Parseval.zip) Three versions of the Parseval observation baloons, German, British and French markings. One of the most common baloon types on the Western Front. Using these in missions is tricky so make sure and read the instructions. Last updated 2/8/2007. Size 2.9M

http://www.aerocrate.com/documents/Parseval.zip Yes,heavily tricky.Failure to follow directions to the letter will result in balloon crashes right after they are spawned.:cost1: Blondi

[Collin]

If you have the sheds you can make the Tondern Raid. Get a Camel and add a hook to its .cfg and grab HMS Furious18 from cgshipyard....http://www.simviation.com/lair/cfs2shipyard.htm

Its been around for a couple of years now and is quite usable.

regards Collin:ernae: