WIP: IRIS C-27J Spartan

[Smudge]

Evening all..

After a day full of discussions and chin-wagging amongst some of the IRIS team, we have the great pleasure in formally announcing the development of the Alenia C-27J Spartan!

The Alenia C-27J Spartan is a medium-sized military transport aircraft. The C-27J is an advanced derivative of Alenia Aeronautica's G.222 (C-27A Spartan in US service), with the engines and systems of the Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules. The aircraft was selected as the Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) for the United States military.

The C-27J Spartan is either in use by or will see use by the following air forces;

Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, Lithuania, Morocco, Romania, Slovakia and the United States.

We will also be providing a number of 'fictional' schemes such as the Royal Air Force and Royal Australian Air Force (amongst others).

For more real world information, along with a FANTASTIC airshow video of the C-27J Spartan from Airpower 09, please visit the link below;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAD2M3NBudQ

We will be providing regular Work In Progress shots on this forum over the coming weeks with pre-orders being taken in about two weeks in preparation for Christmas release! (subject to it being okay with the mods!)

Here's some of the untextured model taken from the purchased mesh. :)

Enjoy

http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_1.jpg

http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_2.jpg

http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_3.jpg

http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_4.jpg

http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_5.jpg

http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_6.jpg

[gajit]

Excellent Choice - ive always wanted one - a choice from the Herc :applause::applause::applause:

Hope there will be a repaint kit simple enough for me!!

[CG_1976]

Now if ya put Canada in the mix, You might just have the Dh-5 Buffalo's replacment;) No matter what count me in on this product for purchase when it becomes available.:icon29: http://www.c-27j.ca/

[jt_dub]

I am delighted to hear you are developing this aircraft.:applause:

I have been hoping to try in out in flight simulator for some time. I will have my credit card ready on the day it is released.:jump:

[MCDesigns]

Very cool, was just looking at these the other day and wanting one for FSX. My one request, please add some realism (baking/shadows) to the VC textures and model thje interior also.

Some neat info and images here

http://www.midkiff.cz/index.php?page=defence&url=alenia&url2=c-27j-spartan

I think it will look good in Canadian colors

http://rcaf.com/archives/archives_aircraft/new_sar/index.php

[tigisfat]

Ah, I was hoping IRIS would do a proper C-5. We're still very much missing one of those.

Good luck with this project anyhow!! It's got my attention, and I'll give it a shot.

[Smudge]

I did think about doing a C-5, but there's another group doing one as far as I'm aware...

Besides, the C-27 is quite a nice little aircraft for our needs.. :)

[spotlope]

That's a mighty fine looking mesh you got there.

[Smudge]

Thanks Bill, it's got plenty of overhead for additional detail too.. promises to be a heap of fun to do.. :)

[bushpilot]

This is very good news.:applause::applause::applause: Definitely better that C5. This is second only to Buffalohttp://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon12.gif.

Good looking model:medals:

[calypsos]

Nice choice of subject matter, looking forward to see this one develop!!

[Railrunner130]

For those wanting to get some pre-new-Spartan work in, Kazunori Ito did one quite a while ago. I don't recall how well it works in FSX, but it's worth a shot until this one becomes available.

[Txmmy83]

Oh Wow I saw one at an airshow in italy this summer

Smudge,
first of all very good choice:applause:
you know this plane can do barrel rolls and knife edge flying and some other aerobatic manouvers that you wouldnt expect by such heavy aircraft

hope your FDE developers can model the real flight dynamics as close as possible


BR
Tom

[Smudge]

Easy, a very heavy Christen Eagle with twin engines! lol.

Seriously though, check out the youtube vid I posted.. :) It's got the full routine..seriously impressive stuff.. No wonder the USAF SOC want a pile of them.

[Txmmy83]

I saw exactly the same display during vacation Live but without the landing because it was an airshow over the Beach


video is nice :)


BR
Tom

[CBris]

Watched that clip - brutal nasty mean pilots to treat that baby so... ;)

Impressive!

[IanP]

Ooh. I'll be wanting some of that when she's up and flying. :applause:

[Mithrin]

That's a plane I like. Looking forward to the final screenies.

[Kavehpd]

... For more real world information, along with a FANTASTIC airshow video of the C-27J Spartan from Airpower 09, please visit the link below;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAD2M3NBudQ

Good God, that guy sounds errr... So errr... Irritating errr...

Awesome previews. Can't wait for the VC shots.

[atf300]

wicked ! the more stol aircraft the better !!

[tigisfat]

I really enjoy it when devs purchase premade mesh. We see products out a lot faster and in greater quantity. It also seems we're seeing better quality sometimes.

[Paul K]

Excellent choice of subject. I'm sure it'll be very popular.

[Matt Wynn]

ooh yes.... i'll try to make the paintkit user friendly for the release :kilroy: :icon_lol:

[Smudge]

Excellent choice of subject. I'm sure it'll be very popular.


Me too, I have to admit I wasn't aware of the aircraft or the variety of customers until I did some research, however it's really grown on me quite quickly. It's a stunning little plane, and one that you MIGHT even see in FS9.. :)

[Cag40Navy]

Me too, I have to admit I wasn't aware of the aircraft or the variety of customers until I did some research, however it's really grown on me quite quickly. It's a stunning little plane, and one that you MIGHT even see in FS9.. :)

Well, great aircraft to model and thanks for modelling it. cant wait for Dec. 25!

[Wombat_VC]

Time to retire the Short Sherpa.

[Txmmy83]

that you MIGHT even see in FS9.. :)
does that mean you plan an FS9 Version of the Spartan Too ?


BR
Tom

[Smudge]

We're looking into it.. :D

[Dino Cattaneo]

Excellent choice of subject.
I was assigned to the 46th Air Brigade of Italian Air Force, Pisa San Giusto airport and I had the chance to see the G222 and the C27 several times, during everyday operations and airshows. The Mini-Herc is incredibly agile and its demo routine is impressive.

[Txmmy83]

We're looking into it.. :D

please do it!

since there a few FS9 Freewares (Kazunori Ito Spartan, Noriega G222) but none of them is extraordinary in model and FDE


BR
Tom

[Smudge]

Okay, here's how she looks today, The last two days were spent texture mapping the aircraft, both inside and out.. :)


http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_7.jpg



http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_8.jpg



http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_9.jpg



http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_10.jpg



Today will be spent trying to figure out why none of my rotational animations are working, and applying the master texture set to the aircraft.

[peter12213]

Wow you guys work fast!

[Sundog]

It's looking great. I suspect it should prove to be quite popular. I'm willing to bet it will end up on my must buy list. :)

[Smudge]

It's not a matter of working fast, it's a matter of not sleeping.. :D Ask any developer and they'll say the dev diet consists of coffee, chocolate and valium... :)

[MCDesigns]

It's not a matter of working fast, it's a matter of not sleeping.. :D Ask any developer and they'll say the dev diet consists of coffee, chocolate and valium... :)

valium??! that's for afterwards when the customers start to complain the nose is wrong or the color is off, LOL.
Myself, I prefer Mountain Dew over coffee, YEECH!

it's looking good, can't wait to see the final textures. :ernae:

[Smudge]

I'm currently collapsing all the damn animation controllers which were set up as linear rotation controllers to the normal controllers that FSX likes... geez... 2 hours fiddling and trolling the net for something that takes about 10 minutes to fix! lol.

[Chris Sykes]

It's not a matter of working fast, it's a matter of not sleeping.. :D Ask any developer and they'll say the dev diet consists of coffee, chocolate and valium... :)

Dont mix it up with the Viagra!:engel016:

[Quixoticish]

It's not a matter of working fast, it's a matter of not sleeping.. :D Ask any developer and they'll say the dev diet consists of coffee, chocolate and valium... :)

I must admit I'm more partial to Redbull, leftover pizza and optrex if I'm pulling an all nighter. :jump:

[anthony31]

Thanks for the pics. It's interesting to see all those polygons.

Does anyone now what the rails are for near the tail. It looks like it has roof racks :icon_lol:.

[Smudge]

Aaaaand the first few tins of Dulux weathershield get thrown on the plane.. :) Just done the left wing so far... maaan, so many fun times ahead! lol.

http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_11.jpg
USAF SOC C-27J with weathering


http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_12.jpg
RAF C-27J with weathering


http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_13.jpg
RAAF C-27J with weathering


http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_14.jpg
RAAF C-27J without weathering

I'd be interested to hear what you think about the weathering, too much, not enough...any hints and tips would be welcome.. :)

DB.

[spotlope]

It's hard to tell a lot from a single wing, but so far I'd say the weathering is spot-on. The streaking doesn't look overdone to me at all. Very nice job!

[Dag]

Hi David,

Excellent work so far. If that weathering layer is at 100% opacity, make it say 60%. I believe the panels on the wings are internal tank inspection panels, it would probably be better not to make the dirt streaks from them as identical as they are now. They look nice but a bit on the heavy side. On the lower fuselage, however, that's a different matter. Most of the crap turn up there.

Thanks

[Railrunner130]

I'm not much into payware, but I may have to pry the wallet open for this one....

As far as the weathering issue is concerned- Don't forget to sun bleach it. I saw an Italian Spartan the other day that was well sun bleached. Also, if panels have been replaced, etc. they may either be bare primer, the original color not sun bleached or have some bad overspray. Not to mention nicks where bare metal shows through from bird strikes, mechanics tools, new screws, etc.

[Smudge]

Thanks for the tips guys..much appreciated.. I'll make note of them once the rest of the models done.. :)

Okay, I've put together both wings and am now working on the fuselage exterior... hopefully I'll have a finished RAF paint before bed... :)

Here's some new shots before I have dinner.

http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_15.jpg
Italian Air Force markings (and slightly lighter skin due to bleaching I think.)


http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_16.jpg
RAF wings done and weathered from above


http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_17.jpg
RAF wings done and weathered below


http://www.irissimulations.com/team/WIP/c27j_18.jpg
The start of the fuselage with added slime lights... accurate, no...fun...most definately..

Stay tuned for more in a few hours.

[bushpilot]

It looks astoundingly good! And I always like my planes as dirty as they come:ernae::ernae:

[CG_1976]

This C-27J Teaser is a joy to fly. It needs a CAF SAR paint although. Well worth the price I paid. Thank you David and Iris Team for this Teaser.

[gera]

Hey David Brice......your site just made me waste my time!!!! at the end when am going to send my Money ...The Forgotten Country of Panama.....Is Not On The List!!!!! so Bye Bye Australian Pie!!!!!!!! what a nutty thing...maybe am in Mars or Pluto!!!!!!!!...Jesus Perez !!!!!!!

[spotlope]

I swear, we ought to start charging you by the exclamation point, Gera. What is it, like keyboard Tourette's or something? You're on a strict ration from here on out - one in every other post. :173go1:

[gera]

I swear, we ought to start charging you by the exclamation point, Gera. What is it, like keyboard Tourette's or something? You're on a strict ration from here on out - one in every other post. :173go1:

You are always bugging me man...what's the problem with exclamation points.? you want me to get out of here, just say so, no problema.....are you one of the SOH cops or something?..or don't you like Spicks like me?....people like you are what mess up Forums like this sooner or later, think you own it......really I have no time for you sir....

[spotlope]

Much better, thanks. :jump:

[CG_1976]

Hey David Brice......your site just made me waste my time!!!! at the end when am going to send my Money ...The Forgotten Country of Panama.....Is Not On The List!!!!! so Bye Bye Australian Pie!!!!!!!! what a nutty thing...maybe am in Mars or Pluto!!!!!!!!...Jesus Perez !!!!!!!
Weird I see Panama.

[gera]

Weird I see Panama.

Its there to get you in the site.....But, when I want to Pay, the payment interface does not have this Bananna Republic, so I can't pay.....great thing for Iris....am in Alpha Centauri:isadizzy:...the thing blocks my 12.00 Buckaroos for Iris.......great way to do business.....:applause::applause::applause:

[gera]

Much better, thanks. :jump:

Funny as an Ass......

[CG_1976]

Sorry Gera I miss understood which screen. Have you let Iris know by chance as the compony that handles the pay aspect is hired and Iris may be able to assit you and get Panama added such its missingor have a work around for you ? Just a thought or you could post over that there forums.

[gera]

Sorry Gera I miss understood which screen. Have you let Iris know by chance as the compony that handles the pay aspect is hired and Iris may be able to assit you and get Panama added such its missingor have a work around for you ? Just a thought or you could post over that there forums.

Thanks CG, its Ok, If they did not do their job when getting that interface it's their problem. I have so many planes, one today or tomorrow that goes by is no big deal. Anyway, I was not that enthusiastic about it without the VC.
Enjoy your model......:jump:

[Smudge]

Gera,

If you have an issue with Panama not being included on the list of accepted countries by Paymate.com, please e-mail clientservices@paymate.com with your concerns.

We have no control regarding which countries or regions Paymate chooses to accept or decline. I'm sure that Paymate may be able to provide you with a more detailed reason why they don't accept payments from Panama.

[wombat666]

...are you one of the SOH cops or something?

No, but we are watching you sport.
:173go1:

[Henry]

No, but we are watching you sport.
:173go1:
double ditto
Gera you are stepping on a fine wire
consider this as a warning
there is no reason not to be polite
H

[gera]

No, but we are watching you sport.
:173go1:

Thak you Sport............

[gera]

double ditto
Gera you are stepping on a fine wire
consider this as a warning
there is no reason not to be polite
H

So to you is ok for someone to come tell you how you write in a not so friendly way and then to come out again making fun of it......thanks Sport like the Ausie says.......

[gera]

Gera,

If you have an issue with Panama not being included on the list of accepted countries by Paymate.com, please e-mail clientservices@paymate.com with your concerns.

We have no control regarding which countries or regions Paymate chooses to accept or decline. I'm sure that Paymate may be able to provide you with a more detailed reason why they don't accept payments from Panama.

I think you should check on "Paymate" to see how many other countries are out of their list for its your money not theirs and you, I guess, are in business to sell to anyone right?, I'll simply pass this time......I know of many more online pay interfaces that are much better than that one , I can send you a list if you desire.

[Ferry_vO]

So to you is ok for someone to come tell you how you write in a not so friendly way and then to come out again making fun of it......thanks Sport like the Ausie says.......

Apparently you missed the slight sarcastic undertone in Bill's post about your writing style; no problem, those things happen on forums. But next time you have an issue use e.mail, PM's or whatever. Public forums are not the place for that.

[gera]

Apparently you missed the slight sarcastic undertone in Bill's post about your writing style; no problem, those things happen on forums. But next time you have an issue use e.mail, PM's or whatever. Public forums are not the place for that.

The problem with this guy is that he always comes out with a "slight sarcastic undertone" when he answers some of my posts.....why do that?...maybe some complex I guess....Right My friend, I will simply forget this person from beyond and continue with my postings which talk about Flights, Scenery, Missions and Adventures.:kilroy:

[Ferry_vO]

Just an FYI: This forum has an option for each member to put people on an ignore list: A few mouse clicks and you will never see any post from that person again.. :kilroy:

Now back to the Spartan bitte!

[gera]

Just an FYI: This forum has an option for each member to put people on an ignore list: A few mouse clicks and you will never see any post from that person again.. :kilroy:

Now back to the Spartan bitte!

Din't know, will check that...Thank you.

I imported the FS9 Spartan many months ago and fly all over Italy with it. Nice STOL plane, since I can't buy it, I'll continue with this old job which flies very well in FSX....:icon29:

[sblzei]

For me the (FSX) C-27J is a long-awaited model, and I look forward to its release. I had a chance to fly on the real thing on a couple of occasions and it was an unforgettable experience, so I am anxious to try it on FSX.
I hope there will also be the Italian Air Force version, with the refueling probe (pic. 1)

I still enjoy the FS9 model, where I made my own flight dynamics (.cfg & .air files), based on real specs and data.
After extended flight testing I got very realistic performances.
I also added my own photoreal 2D panel, (many thanks to the freeware gauges makers), with only those modifications useful for PC piloting (see pics 3,4,5)

Given the complexity of the cockpit, I guess the designers will concentrate on the VC and possibly will not make the 2D.
In this case I will try to make again my own panel.
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[CG_1976]

Beautiful job on that 2d panel. I wonder if it would work in FSX? Would be fun to try in the Iris C-27J Teaser.

[Henry]

So to you is ok for someone to come tell you how you write in a not so friendly way and then to come out again making fun of it......thanks Sport like the Ausie says.......
i believe you were the one writing in an unfriendly manner
believe me you do not want to get on my ignore list:pop4:
H

[centuryseries]

i believe you were the one writing in an unfriendly manner
believe me you do not want to get on my ignore list:pop4:
H

Could've sworn someone said that this sort of discussion should be by pm or email.

I don't care what undercurrents are flowing here I want to read about the darn good looking C-27 :mixedsmi:

[spotlope]

Yep, sorry for being partially responsible for dragging it off topic. This is one thread that deserves to remain open. This Spartan is really shaping up nicely! The cockpit shots were interesting as well... from the look of them, it's a much cozier 'pit than, say, a C-130. The gauge and controls layout reminded me of a Citation X. I'm waiting with bated breath to see what comes of the VC on this little beauty. :ernae:

[gera]

i believe you were the one writing in an unfriendly manner
believe me you do not want to get on my ignore list:pop4:
H

..........................

[Henry]

Could've sworn someone said that this sort of discussion should be by pm or email.

I don't care what undercurrents are flowing here I want to read about the darn good looking C-27 :mixedsmi:
sadly when feathers get ruffled in an open forum
someone has to be seen doing something
i do not act behind the curtain
and sorry for the distracion
and bye bye gera
now back to topic
H

[HighGround22]

Funny as an Ass......
Nope. Just funny.

[HighGround22]

Beautiful job on that 2d panel. I wonder if it would work in FSX? Would be fun to try in the Iris C-27J Teaser.
I'm witchoo, CG! That would be a most welcome addition to the Teaser.

Sblzei, would it be possible to impose upon you by requesting your excellent 2D Spartan panel?
.

[HighGround22]

Yeah, back to topic! :applause:

[krazycolin]

I actually got to sit in one of these last year. Very similar to the C-130 and in fact, the guy who was showing me around was telling me that they did that on purpose. They wanted pilots who have experience in the 130's to be able to transition as seamlessly as possible.

It's not that small inside but, still... smaller than the C-130...

Makes a LOT of noise too. the props aren't that far from the windows and it's LOUD.

kc

[sblzei]

Yes, back to topic

HigGround 22 wrote:
Sblzei, would it be possible to impose upon you by requesting your excellent 2D Spartan panel? Unfortunately my FS9 2D uses many FS98 gauges (don't work in FSX).

As soon as I get the this new toy, I hope to be able to make use of the IRIS gauges to update it to FSX.
If they want the bmp (that I derived from an Hi-res picture) to do their own 2D development, I can send it to them for free (or maybe for a little discount on the model price ...:mixedsmi:).

The design of the cockpit is similar to that of the C-130J as far as the instrumentation is concerned, but the general arrangement and dimensions derive from the C-27J predecessor, the G222.
Concerning the noise, yes it is noisy (race cars aren't? - this is not a posh executive airplane!) but much less than the G222, mostly thanks to the 6-blades sable propellers (commom to the C-130J)

Here is another shot of the real cockpit.

[sblzei]

[QUOTE=Does anyone now what the rails are for near the tail. It looks like it has roof racks :icon_lol:.[/QUOTE]

Anthony, I owe you a reply.

The two "towel bars" (as they are called) are the two HF antennas, that allow long distance radio communication (over 1500 Mi)

Sorry for being late.:ernae:

[warchild]

Well, a bit of an update for you all..

I just uploaded version 0.25A of the FDE for the testers tonight.. Compared to the teaser, it's a completely new plane.. Of course, anyone thats familiar with how i progress through a project knows that the third release of anything i'm working on is totally different than the first release.. At this moment, if you hit 300 knots, it will do a loop. The CG and CL are weird so i havent gotten thoser balanced out quite to the point you can do a knife edge with it.. Liftoff is at 118 knots and landing is about 380 meters with reversers and brakes at a landing speed of 95 knots. Is this like the real plane?? well, the loop is, so is the knife edge ( though generally that maneuver takes both pilots working their tails off ), but the rest of the data is simply taken straight from FAA and MOD documents. I can HOPE it's accurate, but i cant gaurantee it, and i wont try. I will say this though. When i bui;d a flight model, i have no ego involved. Stand or fall, everything i do has to be on it's own and gets compared ruthlessly with what i consider to be my favorites. In the twin engine mid range class of aircraft, milton Shupes howard 500 has always been my absolute hands down favorite. it's one incredible plane to fly, but in my opinion, this one has a real good chance of matching it..
I can only hope you all enjy this plane as much as i do, and i hope you will find it's performance to be at least somewhere within the realistic ball park..
Thanks all.
Pam

[sblzei]

Warchild,
to me it looks like you are having pretty realistic performances.
According to specs, tactical T.O. gnd roll is 580m and landing gnd roll 340m. Minimum control speed in air is 105K (a little higher than yours).

The major problem that I encountered in developing my C-27J flight dynamics (for FS9) was to make the aircraft slow down when the throttle is cut back. It had an extraordinary tendency to keep the speed even with throttles in idle (!). If I remember correctly I fixed it by playing with inlet area and, of course, max drag. I did not want to make use of spoilers in flight, since in the real C-27J they are applied only for performance landing.

Good luck :ernae:

Ezio

[Txmmy83]

could not resist and purchased the teaser today and yep that is an nice model and awaiting the full version

BR
Tom

[VCN-1]

FYI

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/11/airguard_c27j_new_110709w/

VCN-1

[HighGround22]

.
Very interesting press. Thanks for sharing that.
.

[Merkava]

Is project dead now? :(

[strykerpsg]

Is project dead now? :(
Not sure about dead, but interesting that Iris had some pretty busy forums six months ago and now they seem very low key. At one point they were tracking multiple releases pending and now the only mention of a pending release is their Typhoon, though traffic on it seems sparse too. On a different note, did see an F111 posted in the background on their web, so maybe that one's close to completion too. I can only hope.

Matt

[warchild]

I'm not certain whats going on all together, but the Typhoon is being worked on. I've been reassured on several occasions that the C-27 is not dead. it has been made less of a priority but is cued for development this year..

I would ask that folks please remember that Iris was badly hacked not too long ago and had to have their site rebuilt completely from the ground up.. i think in time, David will be back in full swing, but an experience like that is enough to knock the wind out of anybody..