Night flying [Archive]

Lionheart

September 24th, 2009, 10:18

Meshman

September 24th, 2009, 10:32

If you ever get a chance, do a night flight, when its real dark, and maybe even cloudy, and do a NAV run using VOR headings, no autopilot, and maintain your courses and altitude, find your airport and land.

What language are you speaking, Klingon?

I needed to setup some approaches on a couple of airports. Once I did I had to check them for reasonable accuracy, say within 10 miles or thereabouts. I discovered that GPS thingy and some how made it fly the approach whatever it is.

Took two aspirin and layed down for a while, as my head was hurting...:isadizzy:

20+ years of flight simming and I could qualify as the worst pilot given all that time!:blind:

Roger

September 24th, 2009, 11:04

The only trouble is that in FsX true night texture rendering is rubbish.

Henry

September 24th, 2009, 11:13

Its bad enough late dusk
i hit the ground a few times:173go1:
LOL
H

gera

September 24th, 2009, 11:45

The only trouble is that in FsX true night texture rendering is rubbish.

Hey Rogelio!!!!...I love flying at night, try a real dark place, its full of stars on my screen and I actually have seen the Southern Cross down in these southern latitudes......here is a dilly!!!!...Fly from Miami to Panama City (MPTO) in a really dark night (FSX 01:00AM) weather= Fogged in...and make your approach tuning the Taboga VOR and shoot the ILS on 3R.....hahahahahahah, there, have fun.......:gameoff::gameoff:

CG_1976

September 24th, 2009, 12:00

Hey Rogelio!!!!...I love flying at night, try a real dark place, its full of stars on my screen and I actually have seen the Southern Cross down in these southern latitudes......here is a dilly!!!!...Fly from Miami to Panama City (MPTO) in a really dark night (FSX 01:00AM) weather= Fogged in...and make your approach tuning the Taboga VOR and shoot the ILS on 3R.....hahahahahahah, there, have fun.......:gameoff::gameoff:
You got that right MPTO 3R approach in any adverse WX. Gota be one the best in C.America for challenges.:ernae:

gera

September 24th, 2009, 12:14

You got that right MPTO 3R approach in any adverse WX. Gota be one the best in C.America for challenges.:ernae:

The most challenging one is Tegucigalpa, Honduras.....its really black cross and there is no night landings....pilots flying there take special courses to qualify....scary as the backdoor to hell!!!!!!:pop4::pop4::gameoff:

Bjoern

September 24th, 2009, 12:39

The most challenging one is Tegucigalpa, Honduras.....its really black cross and there is no night landings....pilots flying there take special courses to qualify....scary as the backdoor to hell!!!!!!:pop4::pop4::gameoff:

Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_z5HtME9n8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkDGKggc5Lg

Courchevel and Lukla are a walk in the park compared to this. :isadizzy:

gera

September 24th, 2009, 13:53

Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_z5HtME9n8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkDGKggc5Lg

Courchevel and Lukla are a walk in the park compared to this. :isadizzy:

I landed there in my Cherokee a few years back on the way to Guatemala. That is a hell hole.....and pretty windy all the time, in a small plane its not that bad except for crosswinds but as those Youtubes show a 737 or 757 is really a challenge and the dam airfield is short!!!!!!I have a neighbor flying for Copa and he tells me that he has had co-pilots actually shout "we are going to crash!!!!" more than once....not very gentlemanly of the quirks!!!!:pop4::pop4:

cheezyflier

September 24th, 2009, 14:15

Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_z5HtME9n8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkDGKggc5Lg

Courchevel and Lukla are a walk in the park compared to this. :isadizzy:

anyone know if there is some kai tak scenery available (freeware of course) for fsx or even fs9? that would be fun to play around with

Dangerous Beans

September 24th, 2009, 14:25

How about this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoXMcehrYo
:jawdrop:

heywooood

September 24th, 2009, 15:36

thats just absurd...if there were passengers on it then the clean up must have taken weeks :kilroy:

Tweek

September 24th, 2009, 15:51

How about this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoXMcehrYo

That's ridiculous! Surely he would have been better off executing a go around? Looked awfully risky touching down once he was half way down the runway. Must have took some heavy braking to slow it down!

Wingmate

September 24th, 2009, 16:54

What language are you speaking, Klingon?

HIja' qatlh ta' SoH tlhob (yes why do you ask?)

Lionheart

September 24th, 2009, 20:04

HIja' qatlh ta' SoH tlhob (yes why do you ask?)

QaPla!

<-- salutes

:d

Those shots on YouTube of landing in Hondurus are CRAZY! I have seen them before. Its almost like driving down that hill, but without touching it, (hopefully).

There is one that evidently went over the edge and crashed. There is a cliff on the other end. Grim if you dont stop in time.

What a crazy airport. If I were president there, I would close that thing down and put in a new one with a good approach.

And... WHY???? do they have to come in through pattern 'in' that valley?? Why not come in over that mountain in the background? Why?

Bill

kjb

September 24th, 2009, 22:46

Its good fun Henry.

Great practice for learning your instrumentation as well.

If you ever get a chance, do a night flight, when its real dark, and maybe even cloudy, and do a NAV run using VOR headings, no autopilot, and maintain your courses and altitude, find your airport and land.

Sweaty palms!!!

BillMy most memorable flight was a simple Bellingham to Forks, WA hop. It was almost dusk and I was running real weather. Before I got to Forks, weather closed in. It was too cloudy to find the airport so I started working on an alternate. I climbed west over the Pacific and got my location off the VOR. I'm figuring out where to go when my airspeed read 0...icing!

I got out of the icing conditions and setup for Port Angeles. They have an ILS and the wind was favorable - until I got there. The wind shifted to a 25 kt tailwind down the ILS. I dropped down to 1000' and got out of the clouds. I could see the runway. It all ended with a visual approach at Port Angeles, then a six pack :icon29:

Lionheart

September 25th, 2009, 00:13

My most memorable flight was a simple Bellingham to Forks, WA hop. It was almost dusk and I was running real weather. Before I got to Forks, weather closed in. It was too cloudy to find the airport so I started working on an alternate. I climbed west over the Pacific and got my location off the VOR. I'm figuring out where to go when my airspeed read 0...icing!

I got out of the icing conditions and setup for Port Angeles. They have an ILS and the wind was favorable - until I got there. The wind shifted to a 25 kt tailwind down the ILS. I dropped down to 1000' and got out of the clouds. I could see the runway. It all ended with a visual approach at Port Angeles, then a six pack :icon29:

Man, I have had landings like that. Some though, not so good.. But some were amazing.

Thank the Lord for FS... Saves us repair bills on real planes. :d

Lewis-A2A

September 25th, 2009, 01:20

Henry!

Call yourself a mossie fan and you cannie fly at night!!!!!!!!!!????????????? :kilroy:

stansdds

September 25th, 2009, 04:08

How about this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoXMcehrYo
:jawdrop:
Holy crap on a cracker!!! :isadizzy: I really thought that tubeliner was about to become an off-road vehicle and then join its elders in that DC-3 graveyard.

As for flying at night, it is a different experience. There isn't much to be seen in terms of scenery and you really need to keep your head down and eyes focused on the instruments unless you are using an autopilot. Flying in low or zero visibility is never fun. A challenge, yes, but not fun. I doubt that real pilots enjoy it either.

cheezyflier

September 25th, 2009, 04:38

i tried that airport in fsx in the dc-3 last night. fsx atc calls you in wayyyy different than the video

Bjoern

September 25th, 2009, 14:29

anyone know if there is some kai tak scenery available (freeware of course) for fsx or even fs9? that would be fun to play around with

Yeah. Search Avsim.

How about this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoXMcehrYo

That pilot is an idiot. What a ridiculously long flare.

And... WHY???? do they have to come in through pattern 'in' that valley?? Why not come in over that mountain in the background? Why?

To keep the sinkrates relatively low.

You could maybe do that mountain thing in a Dash 7 or 8, but in a 737 or 757? No way.

fsx atc calls you in wayyyy different than the video

FSX ATC is idiotic.

Surround an airport with hills and you're gonna get one hell of a scary approach. They're always keeping you so high that you don't even stand the slightest chance of getting onto the runway in one piece witin that five mile final.

stansdds

September 26th, 2009, 07:03

ATC has always been a weak spot with the MS Flight Sim series.

falcon409

September 26th, 2009, 07:19

ATC has always been a weak spot with the MS Flight Sim series.
Yep, I started out with Pro-Pilot, and as far back as that goes, the ATC engine was far more realistic and intuitive that anything that MS has ever offered. I've never understood how one sim could be so far advanced in that area and another be so poorly done.

cheezyflier

September 26th, 2009, 11:22

Yeah. Search Avsim.

i did, and there was nothing for either fsx or fs9 to be found by their search engines.

Bjoern

September 27th, 2009, 16:40

Yep, I started out with Pro-Pilot, and as far back as that goes, the ATC engine was far more realistic and intuitive that anything that MS has ever offered. I've never understood how one sim could be so far advanced in that area and another be so poorly done.

That's where add-ons come in.

I found Radar Contact 4 a sound investment.

i did, and there was nothing for either fsx or fs9 to be found by their search engines.

Try "9Dragons". Don't know if this scenery will work well in FSX though.