Tony Stewart Should Be Race Suspended...

[Panther_99FS]

As stated at speedtv.com:


On Lap 32, Tony Stewart was attempting to pass rookie Clint Bowyer in Turn 3, when Bowyer drifted high in the corner, nearly putting the two-time series champ into the wall. Stewart displayed his displeasure with an upraised middle finger and hard left turn into Bowyer’s door. Bowyer’s car shot to the inside of the track, where it struck Carl Edwards’s car, sending it into the wall, en route to a 39th-place finish, which essentially eliminated any hope Edwards had of qualifying for the Chase for the NASCAR Nextel Cup.


What an @ssho#!....

[Ferry_vO]

Haven't seen the incident, but it sounds like he should be banned for a race at least !

F1 drivers can be banned for 'causing an avoidable accident' : trying to push a car into the wall should be enough to get your licence taken from you ! :censored:

[CWD]

Aw, and he was being such a good boy there for a year or so. :rolleyes:

[CFS EAGLE 60]

Yup I agree with you panther....that was just rediculous. Hmm, didn't he do that to Matt Kenseth at Daytona too??? Today was just him showing what an a$$ he still is on the racetrack. A blind man can see that he intentionally wrecked Bowyer. Giving him the finger is one thing, intentionally wrecking someone is something else. I think Nascar should have parked him right then and there and given him zero points for that race, then maybe they would get his attention. Essentially, nascar did nothing to him today. They hold him for one lap...whoopdie doo...he gets back on the lead lap and finishes in the top 10.

[Panther_99FS]

Yup I agree with you panther....that was just rediculous. Hmm, didn't he do that to Matt Kenseth at Daytona too??? Today was just him showing what an a$$ he still is on the racetrack. A blind man can see that he intentionally wrecked Bowyer. Giving him the finger is one thing, intentionally wrecking someone is something else. I think Nascar should have parked him right then and there and given him zero points for that race, then maybe they would get his attention. Essentially, nascar did nothing to him today. They hold him for one lap...whoopdie doo...he gets back on the lead lap and finishes in the top 10.

Tony had better not bitch ONE IOTA about other drivers being dirty.....

[RobH]

what an a$$ he still is on the racetrack.

He's a a$$ in person too!!:barf:

[wombat666]

What do you expect from any of the current lot in any type of motor 'sport'?
Coming second is 'First Loser' and 'Winning' is everything...'Whatever it Takes' is the first thing pounded into these 'Sportsman's' heads.
:kilroy:

[Panther_99FS]

What do you expect from any of the current lot in any type of motor 'sport'?
Coming second is 'First Loser' and 'Winning' is everything...'Whatever it Takes' is the first thing pounded into these 'Sportsman's' heads.
:kilroy:

Luckily,
Not every driver is like that. For example, Tony Stewart SHOULD REALLY consider EMULATING the ATTITUDE and PROFESSIONALISM of MARK MARTIN....

[wombat666]

Luckily,
Not every driver is like that. For example, Tony Stewart SHOULD REALLY consider EMULATING the ATTITUDE and PROFESSIONALISM of MARK MARTIN....
Be a nice thought but Martin is "Old School", one of the few left.
I always held Rusty Wallace, Bill Elliot and the late and much missed "Ironhead" in high regard for being real racers and true professionals.
As for Richard Petty, regardless of his slightly suspect number of wins he's been a great ambassador for NASCAR for longer than I can remember.
Call me cynical (I am!) but I'd bet the NASCAR 'regulators' are quite happy to have the 'bad boys' giving the bottom feeders what they like to see on track.

BTW, I don't suppose you caught the MotoGP from Laguna Seca??
Now there's a group of professional racers for you ..... :applause:

[Panther_99FS]

SURELY "Easy Ed" would've responded here.....:kilroy:

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

LOL! :costumes: I just noticed this thread...

Panther I'm NO fan of the 20 with his I'm the Nextel Cup Champion - all you lesser drivers get the cluck outta my way attitude! No Tony needs some more anger management - for sure! If any more of that STUFF goes on he will be sitting I suspect.

Now as for Martin. He's a nice guy but I believe he pulled off one of the best cheats in NASCAR history and got away with it! I've mentioned what he did on other boards and the response has always been - coincidence Martin wouldn't do that deliberately. Hmmm...

In the year Kenseth won the Cup Martin blew an engine I believe deliberately late in the year trapping his closest competitors a lap down near the end of a race near the end of the year. As a result Kenseth's lead in the points was too big to overcome. Why do I believe it? Four undeniable reasons: 1) As Kenseth was coming in his CC yelled stay out stay out (Kenseth's closest competitors for the points race were already in and out) 2) Martin exits pit road and blows his engine before he is even on the track - he was on the apron! 3) They are teammates and 4) Martin is/was a part owner in Kenseth's car. WAY too much coincidence for me! I lost respect for Martin then and there - had to admire the smarts of whoever had the situational awareness though.

-Ed-

PS (an edit) Have you noticed Derikke Cope's nieces are gonna get a shot at ARCA now! Well one of then anyway (probably both). Woulda posted a pic up in the best looking twin thread but they are kinda young...

[Panther_99FS]

Hey All,

LOL! :costumes: I just noticed this thread...

Panther I'm NO fan of the 20 with his I'm the Nextel Cup Champion - all you lesser drivers get the cluck outta my way attitude! No Tony needs some more anger management - for sure! If any more of that STUFF goes on he will be sitting I suspect.

Now as for Martin. He's a nice guy but I believe he pulled off one of the best cheats in NASCAR history and got away with it! I've mentioned what he did on other boards and the response has always been - coincidence Martin wouldn't do that deliberately. Hmmm...

In the year Kenseth won the Cup Martin blew an engine I believe deliberately late in the year trapping his closest competitors a lap down near the end of a race near the end of the year. As a result Kenseth's lead in the points was too big to overcome. Why do I believe it? Four undeniable reasons: 1) As Kenseth was coming in his CC yelled stay out stay out (Kenseth's closest competitors for the points race were already in and out) 2) Martin exits pit road and blows his engine before he is even on the track - he was on the apron! 3) They are teammates and 4) Martin is/was a part owner in Kenseth's car. WAY too much coincidence for me! I lost respect for Martin then and there - had to admire the smarts of whoever had the situational awareness though.

-Ed-

PS (an edit) Have you noticed Derikke Cope's nieces are gonna get a shot at ARCA now! Well one of then anyway (probably both). Woulda posted a pic up in the best looking twin thread but they are kinda young...

That's no real cheat Ed.....MANY DRIVERS have brought out yellows at one point or another to help themselves......But I counter-point and say that even if it was on purpose, it helped out ANOTHER DRIVER and not himself.....(vice other drivers that bring out the yellow to help themselves...)

[Panther_99FS]

And to add more positives to Mark, he also never (to the best of my knowledge) used his car as weapon nor has he intentionally spun folks to win...(again, unlike many other drivers who have..)

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

Panther your right Martin has never deliberately spun people or used his car as a weapon or anything like that that I know of or recall.

But deliberately blowing an engine to trap his teammates closest competitors a lap down late in a key race to extend Kenseth's lead in the points isn't much better than pulling over to the side of the road to let a teammate win.

-Ed-

PS The twins site http://www.twinmotorsportsracing.com/ and a pic.

http://twinmotorsportsracing.com/images/g20050719104759.jpeg

[Panther_99FS]

Hey All,

But deliberately blowing an engine to trap his teammates closest competitors a lap down late in a key race to extend Kenseth's lead in the points isn't much better than pulling over to the side of the road to let a teammate win.

-Ed-

PS The twins site http://www.twinmotorsportsracing.com/ and a pic.

http://twinmotorsportsracing.com/images/g20050719104759.jpeg

The main flaw here is that it hasn't been proven as deliberate....Whereas you can definitely see deliberation when you intentionally wreck someone....

[bismarck13]

Stewart is a hothead, no doubt, but he really isn't doing anything new, in fact it was a lot worse back in the early days of Nascar. However, if you intentionally wreck someone at 180 or so MPH you are putting their lives in danger. If it happened anywhere else other than the racetrack someone would get charged with attempted murder!
The part I don't get is is that some drivers are treated differently than others by the Nascar Brass. You can bet if it was someone like J.J. Yeley or Jeremy Mayfield and they wrecked Stewart, Nascar would have probably suspended them indefinitely , it would not have been a slap on the wrist like they gave "Good 'Ol Tony."
Back when Earnhardt Senior was alive, he routinely wrecked people to win races and nobody said anything. In fact, he died blocking for his own cars so they could win at Daytona. The guy could do anything he wanted and it was chalked up to "just racin" but let anyone wreck "Good 'Ol Dale" and there was hell to pay. So it seems that nothing much has changed, certain drivers, like Stewart and Gordon can get away with more than others. It has been like that since I started following Nascar in the 1970s and it probably won't change anytime soon. IMO I think they should level harsher fines, but whether they do or don't do doesn't really matter in a meaningful sense because whatever they decide I will still be tuned in for this weekend's race:applause: :applause: :applause:

[wombat666]

The main flaw here is that it hasn't been proven as deliberate....Whereas you can definitely see deliberation when you intentionally wreck someone....

When the supposed 'Top Drivers' in Effwun do it and get away with it on a regular basis then it filters down.
Senna started the trend and Schumacher made a career out of it ..... now it's 'expected' right on down to Karts.:kilroy:

[Ferry_vO]

It's something that happens in all sports; some soccerplayers get red or yellow cards sooner because they have a reputation for playing rough.

[Panther_99FS]

Stewart is a hothead, no doubt, but he really isn't doing anything new, in fact it was a lot worse back in the early days of Nascar. However, if you intentionally wreck someone at 180 or so MPH you are putting their lives in danger. If it happened anywhere else other than the racetrack someone would get charged with attempted murder!
The part I don't get is is that some drivers are treated differently than others by the Nascar Brass. You can bet if it was someone like J.J. Yeley or Jeremy Mayfield and they wrecked Stewart, Nascar would have probably suspended them indefinitely , it would not have been a slap on the wrist like they gave "Good 'Ol Tony."
Back when Earnhardt Senior was alive, he routinely wrecked people to win races and nobody said anything. In fact, he died blocking for his own cars so they could win at Daytona. The guy could do anything he wanted and it was chalked up to "just racin" but let anyone wreck "Good 'Ol Dale" and there was hell to pay. So it seems that nothing much has changed, certain drivers, like Stewart and Gordon can get away with more than others. It has been like that since I started following Nascar in the 1970s and it probably won't change anytime soon. IMO I think they should level harsher fines, but whether they do or don't do doesn't really matter in a meaningful sense because whatever they decide I will still be tuned in for this weekend's race:applause: :applause: :applause:

Excellent points Bismark....

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

The main flaw here is that it hasn't been proven as deliberate....Whereas you can definitely see deliberation when you intentionally wreck someone....
Panther I take you are one of the guys who assumes it was all coincidence. I don't think so. I think Martin is the kind of guy with enough blind loyalty to the Cat in the Hat that he would do what ever it took to get Roush his first Cup. I wouldn't want to win one that way.

-Ed-

PS Happy belated Birthway!

PSS Think we'll see either of the Twins in Cup?

[Panther_99FS]

Hey All,


Panther I take you are one of the guys who assumes it was all coincidence. I don't think so. I think Martin is the kind of guy with enough blind loyalty to the Cat in the Hat that he would do what ever it took to get Roush his first Cup. I wouldn't want to win one that way.

-Ed-

PS Happy belated Birthway!

PSS Think we'll see either of the Twins in Cup?


Thing is we can both believe what we want but we don't really know beyond a shadow of a doubt :)

[Panther_99FS]

But Ed,
You've got me curious now because I'm trying to figure out who you like as a driver that actually has a golden halo over their head and has done nothing 'wrong'....:ques:

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

LOL! :costumes:

I know of no driver with a complete halo over his/her head probably Schrader or Jeff Burton or in the past Bill Elliot would come the closest.

None of my three main drivers is perfect as they all drive hard and can be just a touch :costumes: aggressive and hard to get around. They are: the 12, 16 and 48. The 12 reminds me of Cale the 16 of I don't know who yet but I like his never ever say die attitude and the 48 well I think he is so good it doesn't really show. The car is always up front no matter what kind of race and never outta control - reminds me somewhat of IMO the best driver to ever sit behind the wheel of a Cup car - the Silver Fox - David Pearson. The 3 was second best although Dale was the best at getting the most out of a car that was just a bit off.

I also must confess to also being a fan of the 24 to a lesser extent as well as the 29 (now that he's quit being a punk), 31 and 07 and even the 8 and 9. But the first three are my main guys.

From the perspective of a manufacturer I'm a MoPar guy thru and thru! I just wish they had more good drivers and could get their spit together on the charger. I like the fact that Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth has many times shown themselves to be the most innovative manufacturer in NASCAR - often - well always actually - to their detriment - if you know the history you know what I mean.

From the perspective of owners well Penske, Evernham and Childress are my favorites. However every good thing that happens to the Petty's and Bobby LaBonte is a cause for celebration for me.

Now you know more about what I like in NASCAR than you probably ever wanted to hear. Like many fans I'm schizo as my owners, manufacturers and drivers don't line up very well. Most races though give me enough to cheer for that I come back the next week.

-Ed-

PS I like David Smith's analysis of drivers although I don't totally agree - check out this link:

http://www.davidsmithmotorsports.com/anatomy1.htm

[wombat666]

Keep an eye on a rookie who is learning the trade in the 'Crafstman' Truck series (at least, I think that's the one) by the name of Marcus Ambrose.
He's one of the best to come out of the V8 Supercar Series and is not given to throwing any form of hissy fit.
Marcus is also prepared to learn ...... a big plus.:kilroy:

[Panther_99FS]

...Now that I think about it, WARD BURTON was a "good guy" like Martin.....Hope he gets a ride...

[Daveroo]

hey ED...Please explaine to me how someone intentionally blows up an engine and why he would do that? im tellin ya now thats hard to do...i drove race cars for ten years and would never blow one up on purpose...and i dont believe martin would do that just to garuntee kenseth a win.
but please explaine how one would blow up an engine on purpose?...good god thats absurd man

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

Dave all you have to do is put the clutch in, floorboard the accelerator and hold it there and then hope she blows before the competition gets outta the pits. She will blow no doubt about that just a question of when. And considering he was in a Ford no doubt sooner rather than later. :costumes:

Looking foward to the Brickyard this Sunday! Can't wait to see what Tony tries this week.

-Ed-

[eddie]

I saw this quote at another racing forum, but have no idea as to who said it! But, I thought it was pretty good myself!:d

"If Stewart did to Earnhardt Sr what he did Sunday, Stewart's wrinkled-up car would have a grille full of concrete and a splotch of black paint on its rear bumper."

[Panther_99FS]

NASCAR needs to start docking points and forget the fines. This I assure you will have a profound effect...

And NASCAR needs to be even across the board in their penalties....