FS-KBT L-188 Electra full FSX out

[thunder100]

Have a look at Flightsim

Roland

[Navy Chief]

Downloading now. OH YEAH!!!


NC

[Wings of Gold]

There is a major error in the KBT model (IMHO). Underneath the fuselage and extending just past both inboard nacelles, there is some form of "flap" (or gravel guard) that is perpendicular to the flight path. This is not normal for a typical L-188. I am aware that Reeve had some form of gravel guard to allow operation with gravel strips in Alaska, but IF this supposed to represent that configuration, the "flap' also extends through the main gear strut in each nacelle. I have a lot of L-188 references - and have never seen anything like this. Anyone have any idea what this is supposed to represent (it is modeled well and has normal textues)?

Bill

[Slug Flyer]

LOL, I think we need a single definitive sticky thread for this.

[calypsos]

Hurray, a UK registered freighter too!!!

[DaveWG]

The VC seems rather flawed. Many switches don't seem to work, and lots share the same tooltips. Could only managed to start no.1 engine via the VC. The others could be started with the 2d panel.

Feels like a beta rather than a finished model.

[thunder100]

There is a major error in the KBT model (IMHO). Underneath the fuselage and extending just past both inboard nacelles, there is some form of "flap" (or gravel guard) that is perpendicular to the flight path. This is not normal for a typical L-188. I am aware that Reeve had some form of gravel guard to allow operation with gravel strips in Alaska, but IF this supposed to represent that configuration, the "flap' also extends through the main gear strut in each nacelle. I have a lot of L-188 references - and have never seen anything like this. Anyone have any idea what this is supposed to represent (it is modeled well and has normal textues)?

Bill

I dont have it Bill (SP2 ACC)

Can you post a picture?

Roland

[Tweek]

I'm not a fan of the bump mapping on this one. It seems a little too strong, especially around the windows. Obviously something like that can be edited, so I'm not too fussed about it, but it would be nice to see that area improved (this is on the Atlantic Airlines livery).

[harrybasset]

I couldn't find any documentation in the FSX download but the Readme refers to Paul Strogens L188 panel. I've downloaded that and there is quite a lot of information about the aircraft and panel. I am just printing it off now but I hope it will show how to start all the engines.

[CG_1976]

Been flying her for the last day or so. She's real fun and loves the cold climate.

[Wings of Gold]

Attached is a screen-shot of the "flap" that I see under the L-188. I now wonder if it's a SP2 / Accel versus SP1 problem (I use FSX SP1 by choice).

Bill

[DaveWG]

Just looked on mine, and there's no sign of the "flap" in your pic.
Same model & texture. Running FSX + Accel here.

[Lateral-G]

Can the KBT P-3C be far behind?

That's a favorite turbo prop of mine from FS9 days...

-G-

[Bjoern]

Stunning modeling and texturing, but if even the most basic systems like engine starters refuse to work properly...no, thanks.

I appreciate the effort though.

[tigisfat]

I'm happy with my Aero Union modified FS2004 P-3 version. It seems to be prettier than the new FSX one, actually. Those guys are great, and their FS2004 P-3 was probably the best looking aircraft of it's day, and it was free!

[thunder100]

Attached is a screen-shot of the "flap" that I see under the L-188. I now wonder if it's a SP2 / Accel versus SP1 problem (I use FSX SP1 by choice).

Bill

On SP2/acc its not there(at least visible)
If you know the texture of it you work the alpha channel and it will become invisible

It comes off the original P3 with lower radardome,probably the rear wall forgotten by the designer

Roland

[GypsyBaron]

I couldn't find any documentation in the FSX download but the Readme refers to Paul Strogens L188 panel. I've downloaded that and there is quite a lot of information about the aircraft and panel. I am just printing it off now but I hope it will show how to start all the engines.

My L-188 panel was designed for FS2004.

The KBT team asked my permission to use the panel
and I gave it. However, the starter code for FS2004 is
quite different from the FSX starter code and they would
have had to make changes to my code for it to work in FSX.

I a couple of brief emails from the KBT team they indicated that there 'were some problems' and that they
made changes. However they did not give me any details.

I have downloaded the 2 models but do not have time
now to look into any problems. Sadly I will be busy for
at least the next three weeks and will be away from
my 'sim' computer much of that time.

Paul Strogen

EDIT: I just installed the passenger model and did a quick checkout and
made a test hop.
I was able to start all 4 engines but it required using the 2D overhead
panel starter and engine select switches and 'flipping' the engine
select while the starter was engaged until the original selected engine
started. Then repeating that for each of the other engines.
This is because the starter code is my original FS2004 code.

I'm pretty certain I can 'fix' that so that the engine select and starter on the
2D panel work as they should.
However, the VC 3d switches/functions are hard-coded into the VC model
and I can't do anything to change the operation, or non-operation of those
switches.

I won't be able to get to this for a few weeks as I am hopping a plane early
Wednesday morning. I will get to it, so please be patient.

Paul

[Wild Bill Kelso]

I now wonder if it's a SP2 / Accel versus SP1 problem (I use FSX SP1 by choice).

It seems like!
Running SP1, this "flap" occurs here too.
I thought I did something wrong... :engel016:

Having logged lots of hours with the 2004 P-3C (and even more hours repainting the Aurora), I'm a little disappointed... :kilroy:

Cheers,
Markus.

[GypsyBaron]

OK, I had a little time today to investigate the KBT L-188
starter issues.

There is a disconnect between the VC starter switch and
engine select and the 2D upper panel starter switch and the engine select.

My starter code resides in the 2D upper panel. That is the
only starter code I have "access" to and could revise so that
it worked in FSX.

The code revision affects only one XML file:

L188_Starter.xml

This file is located in the folder "PS_L188"

Unzip the attached file and replace the existing "L188_Starter.xml".

To start the KBT engines you must open the upper 2D panel.
Locate the 5-position "START" engine select switch.
Use this switch to select the engine you wish to start.

NOTE:
The switch on the VC upper panel does not function!!

Also on the 2D upper panel, press the green button to
the right of the "START" engine selector.

The engine "starter engaged" light for the selected engine
should illuminate in the lamp panel between the "START"
selector and the green button.
The lamp will go out once the engine spools up above
8300 RPM.
The green button should also pop out at that point.

Repeat the procedure for the other engines.

DO NOT use the green "Starter Switch" on the VC upper
panel. This may interfere with the starter logic and, in
any case, will only start engine #1.

The XML code is 'quick and dirty' as I've very limited time
to spend on this right now.

Paul
9441

[Tim_Horton]

check for "advanced animations" is on.

[GypsyBaron]

check for "advanced animations" is on.

What post are you replying to? A bit of "context" would help.

Paul

[heywooood]

OK, I had a little time today to investigate the KBT L-188
starter issues.

There is a disconnect between the VC starter switch and
engine select and the 2D upper panel starter switch and the engine select.

My starter code resides in the 2D upper panel. That is the
only starter code I have "access" to and could revise so that
it worked in FSX.

The code revision affects only one XML file:

L188_Starter.xml

This file is located in the folder "PS_L188"

Unzip the attached file and replace the existing "L188_Starter.xml".

To start the KBT engines you must open the upper 2D panel.
Locate the 5-position "START" engine select switch.
Use this switch to select the engine you wish to start.

NOTE:
The switch on the VC upper panel does not function!!

Also on the 2D upper panel, press the green button to
the right of the "START" engine selector.

The engine "starter engaged" light for the selected engine
should illuminate in the lamp panel between the "START"
selector and the green button.
The lamp will go out once the engine spools up above
8300 RPM.
The green button should also pop out at that point.

Repeat the procedure for the other engines.

DO NOT use the green "Starter Switch" on the VC upper
panel. This may interfere with the starter logic and, in
any case, will only start engine #1.

The XML code is 'quick and dirty' as I've very limited time
to spend on this right now.

Paul
9441

Thank You very much for taking the time to address the issue and provide the fix.

Much Appreciated :guinness:

[Spikehughes]

Ditto,

And thank you for your Electra model - I have had a small time to fly it making a couple of approaches and take offs and so far one start up with the new XML file (works fine). The sounds and performance have been well done in my opinion

Spike

[Pepere]

Yes, very nice aircraft in all respects. Thank you very much.. :medals::medals:

David

[BananaBob]

A little something I've been working on here and there. From an old photo. :ernae:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3536/var1s.jpg

[JensOle]

Looks great!

I'm working on "LN-FOI" of Fred Olsens Air Transport as it looked in the mid 1970's.

[Roger]

Good to see you're back up and running Bob:applause:

[ColoKent]

....for this beauty?

Kent

[JensOle]

Really easy to make repaints even without a paint kit since most of the external texture details are part of the bumb and spec textures. I made my own new textures in a 3 hours time.

[JensOle]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Scrshot13762.jpg

[Navy Chief]

Gypsy,

A big THANK YOU for the starter mod. It works GREAT! I love flying this aircraft. The sound file is awesome. Just like the P-3 Orion, in my opinion. Although, according to specs, the L-188 used the Allison 501-D13 powerplant; the P-3 Orion's T-56 (at least soundfile-wise) sounds identical. I love that sound. It is unmistakable.

NC

[Navy Chief]

Have any other repaints been done yet for this wonderful aircraft?

NC

[cheezyflier]

nice, i've been wanting something like this.

i am having one little problem maybe someone can help?

i can't see out any of the windows in the vc.
when switching through the views with the "s" key, i can see out of the windows for about a second, and then they go back to being reflections.
anyone know how to fix that?

[Navy Chief]

I keep forgetting to ask about engine exhaust smoke. Is there a way to add this? I know the P-3s smoked, and imagine the Electra's did too.

NC

[JT8D-9A]

There is a update @Flightsim.com: http://www.flightsim.com/file.php?cm=SEARCH1&fsec=0&fname=L188_UPDATE_AND_FIX2.ZIP

Many thanks to the FS KBT Team and Paul Strogen :applause:

Has anyone added the CIVA INS to the VC?

EDIT: Are the Nav lights coupled with the Landing lights?

Regarding the smoke: the "fx_smoke_rx" which is used in the aircraft.cfg is missing (at least on my system), so you have to use a different effect file. For instance "fx_smoke_f6".

[gera]

A little something I've been working on here and there. From an old photo. :ernae:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3536/var1s.jpg

Perfect for my "Amazonas Air" series.....very nice indeed, when can we grab it?

[Navy Chief]

There is a update @Flightsim.com: http://www.flightsim.com/file.php?cm=SEARCH1&fsec=0&fname=L188_UPDATE_AND_FIX2.ZIP

Many thanks to the FS KBT Team and Paul Strogen :applause:

Has anyone added the CIVA INS to the VC?

EDIT: Are the Nav lights coupled with the Landing lights?

Regarding the smoke: the "fx_smoke_rx" which is used in the aircraft.cfg is missing (at least on my system), so you have to use a different effect file. For instance "fx_smoke_f6".



Thanks! I will try that!!!

NC

Gera, if you are asking where to get the base aircraft install, it is at: <center>1 files match the search criteria, here are the files 1 thru 1

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[familton]

On the IFR panel the switch that's labeled as GPS/NAV is actually the autopilot on/off switch. Just go into the panel.cfg Window03 and change it from the PS_L188!AP_Switch to the PS_L188!Navgps_Switch. Regards, Bob.

[Navy Chief]

Regarding the smoke: the "fx_smoke_rx" which is used in the aircraft.cfg is missing (at least on my system), so you have to use a different effect file. For instance "fx_smoke_f6".


Ok, I found a download with the suggested fx_smoke_f6" file. I modified the aircraft.cfg file, and it works. But is there a way to darken the smoke, so it shows up better? That would be perfect, if so.

NC

[GypsyBaron]

On the IFR panel the switch that's labeled as GPS/NAV is actually the autopilot on/off switch. Just go into the panel.cfg Window03 and change it from the PS_L188!AP_Switch to the PS_L188!Navgps_Switch. Regards, Bob.

Thanks for catching that, Bob.

Way back I made some mod's to the main and IFR panels
and I must have overlooked changing that switch when I
added the actual AP Master switch to the main panel.

Paul

[waka172rg]

do i need the update on flightsim.com it it works with fine what does that update do?
Thanks for nice plane
Waka172rg:ernae:

[familton]

Thanks for catching that, Bob.

Way back I made some mod's to the main and IFR panels
and I must have overlooked changing that switch when I
added the actual AP Master switch to the main panel.

Paul

Hi. You are more than welcome. I see that the autopilot section in the aircraft.cfg says there is autothrottle and that autothrottle arming is required. Is there any autothrottle available? Can the autopilot be used in the NAV mode? Regards, Bob.

[Slug Flyer]

Does anything on this aircraft work the way it's supposed to? :kilroy:

[falcon409]

Does anything on this aircraft work the way it's supposed to?
lol, it would appear not which is kind of a departure from what KBT is usually capable of. Most of the posts here are to explain how to bypass this or mod that and then a few who have said basically it's fine the way it is, lol.

[JensOle]

I have uploaded my Fred Olsen LN-FOI repaint today here at the SoH

[GypsyBaron]

Hi. You are more than welcome. I see that the autopilot section in the aircraft.cfg says there is autothrottle and that autothrottle arming is required. Is there any autothrottle available? Can the autopilot be used in the NAV mode? Regards, Bob.


I don't know about the autothrottle. I didn't have anything to do
with the aircraft.cfg or model. I just gave KBT permission
to use my panel which I had developed for the old Mike
Stone FS2004 L-188.

As for the autopilot, it should work OK in the NAV mode
but I see there is no HDG hold switch in the VC. You would
need to use the switches on the 2D panel windows to activate
the various modes. I know I've flown this L-188 with
the autopilot engaged to the runway threshold using
APPROACH mode.

Paul