Vanguard

[Collin]

Magnificos boats the French, hurts that they passed all the war raising I oxidize in the ports.

They did play an important role as a continueing threat to the Allies while they remained in Vichy hands. Beautiful? Maybe, in their unusual way, though their technology was basically WW1.

peperez
Vanguard It's the most beautiful Battleship ever built.


Hmmm...certainly business like, but Yamato and Ohio class had more gracefull lines.
Where she did score was her more advanced hull which was a superior gun platform, her armour plate fitting and her electronics.
Because of the new dominance of the carrier, she was finished off on the 'cheap'. Old but well proved guns were provided, same with the engines, though this meant she suffered from the age old RN problem of 'short-legs'.
It appears it was cheaper to finish her and get some use from her than to scrap her in her fitting out basin, perhaps if the war had lasted longer she would have been treated differently.
By the time of her completion, the war had finished and the RN had no longer to provide information to the USA on its latest technology due to the secret provisions of the "Lend Lease" programme. So her more advanced gunnery electronics and AA info was not released, nor her more uprated ancillary equipment and shock-proofing.
One is left to ponder on the thought of her and the Malta class carriers making up a fleet in the BPF if the war had continued.

regards Collin:wavey:

[crashaz]

I always thought the "age old RN problem of 'short-legs'" had to do with running out of rum rations? :costumes:

[Collin]

I always thought the "age old RN problem of 'short-legs'" had to do with running out of rum rations? :costumes:

That as well....and would you adam an eve it....the ships nowadays are non smoking areas.....jeeeez, yer can't even sneak a focsle whore aboard........wadda load of PC tripe.:banghead: :costumes:

regards Collin:ernae:

[crashaz]

What!? No more... "the smoking lamp is lit"????

Geez that is definitely not the case in my Navy.
:isadizzy:

[Jaxon]

That as well....and would you adam an eve it....the ships nowadays are non smoking areas.....jeeeez, yer can't even sneak a focsle whore aboard........wadda load of PC tripe.:banghead: :costumes:

regards Collin:ernae:

As long as they don`t touch their traditions(*) all seems pretty OK.


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Traditions of the Royal Navy being "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" :costumes:

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For the beauty: The Bismarck was a nice Ship, and the Yamato.
Both featured the "yacht-style" Atlantic bow.

[Collin]

For the beauty: The Bismarck was a nice Ship, and the Yamato.
Both featured the "yacht-style" Atlantic bow.


The Atlantic Bow was an addon for German ships, it was supposed to suppress the amount of spray coming over the bow, in this it failed miserably. The 'clipper' bow of the Yamato and Ohio class worked a bit better, but all became 'wet' at high speed no matter what the state of the sea was.
The Vanguard design was a 'flared' bow added on to a KGV class hull plus extra freeboard. This added to the transom stern which in effect digs the stern in and lifts the bow out at high speed proved to be a winner.

regards Collin:ernae:

[Jaxon]

You are right.
But they both add to beauty. The slimmer shape of the Yamato bow reminds me somehow of a Japanese sword.

It gives the ship a dynamic & agil appearance, though it was a damn huge pot.

[Collin]

I do agree with you Jaxon, beautiful looking vessels, I'm well impressed with the Yamato in particular. Lovely lines with her reversed whaleback decking, clipper bow upper and bulbous bow lower.
Brit ships were more 'functional' in their design, this started to improve during the war but only the Vanguard got off the drawing board.
The Malta class had one design were they would have 'clipper' bows, whereas another version had them with enclosed bows like the Colossus class.

regards Collin:ernae:

[dhasdell]

Re "Traditions of the Navy":
Rum and the lash might have been abolished, but in new PC Britain the third is not just accepted but pretty well encouraged.
:costumes:
On the subject of appearance, I've seen Bismarck descibed as being a World War One design with Bauhaus styling.

[Collin]

Re "Traditions of the Navy":
Rum and the lash might have been abolished, but in new PC Britain the third is not just accepted but pretty well encouraged.
:costumes:

Well the price of the alternative is fast getting out of reach on a sailors pay.:costumes:


On the subject of appearance, I've seen Bismarck descibed as being a World War One design with Bauhaus styling.

Thats strange as I'm led to believe that the Nazi's thought of the school as a communist stronghold, but I can understand the sentiment.


regards Collin:ernae:

[dhasdell]

I think the Bismarck reference was mostly intended to be a response to the traditionally held "unsinkable" view. She was a looker, though.

[fliger747]

USS Ohio? No WWII BB of that name. Iowa perhaps? The main reason the Iowa's were retained, after WWII was that they were the only ones to keep up with the carriers. The long fine bows were one of those compromises accepted to get the design speed on the SHP. Studies were undertaken to see if gas turbine technology could be adopted in the Massechusets and her ilk to provide the additional speed on their rather short hulls. Prop size and vibration issues as well as conversion costs left this one on the drawing boards.

The steam plants in the Iowa's were magnificent units for their day, and were taken out of the uncompleted class units and used (1/2 plant per ship) in new construction AOE's of the Sacremento Class in the 60's.

Much of the legs of American ships came from their advanced, (read high temperature) and relaible steam plants. I still remember the thrill of standing on the fantail of a Fletcher doing 35 Knots and watching the wake boil high above!

Cheers; Tom....

[Collin]

You are quite correct Tom....my apologise to all who have read this thread. I mean't Iowa class..........still if Clinton can get away with the same mistake...a little slip of the tongue????:costumes:

And as you have pointed out their excellent power plant provided them with adequate speed and endurance.:applause:

I also remember the high wake produced from high speed and the big vibration and noise as the screws came out of the water in rough weather.:isadizzy:

regards Collin:ernae:

[fliger747]

Had a chance to Revisit Missouri in Honolulu, which I hadn't seen since her days in the Reserve fleet (nee Mothball). Without the huge deckgang wielding chipping hammars and brushes dipped in redlead, she'l die a slow death in that warm, wet salty climate. A big job maintaing a ship of that size!

[Collin]

Ships of this size are always gonna be difficult to preserve. The mooring fees alone would bankrupt a third world country. Finding the right method of presentation is also problem.....do you say 'no vendors on the ship' and leave them on the quayside or do you let McDonalds take over the galley:costumes:

regards Collin

[hewman100]

Well the price of the alternative is fast getting out of reach on a sailors pay.:costumes:


They don't even have to go ashore for that now the RN is an equal opportunies employer.:costumes: