Team SAS / SAS / DC-6B CB-17 / Europe

[JockHA]

I will be a late starter, as I am on vacation in my sailboat with only a Mobile "Broadband" connection and no game PC on board.

I have started the planning though.

Planned start around 28 june.

Jock Andersen
Team AVSIM

[MM]

Hooray! Welcome Jock.

[JockHA]

TOW: 41,391 kgs = 91,267 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,524 kgs = 21,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 3200 kgs = 7,056 lbs

All this from FSX Fuel & Payload dialog.

[JockHA]

Safe down at EHAM
(only 4 kgs fuel in each of the two center tanks.)
How to get the DC6B to use fuel from the AUX tanks ?

Landing weight: 39,797 kgs = 87,752 lbs
Fuel used = 1,594 kgs = 3,5515 lbs
Flight time = 1:36:40


4209

4210.

[MM]

Congratulations on the shakedown cruise.

Real DC-6B pilots will chime in on the joys of fuel management. Here is a start. In the VC you will see a set of icons on the left side of the panel. The one with "wings" is the pedestal. You can pop it up by clicking on the icon.

On the top left of the "popup pedestal" you will see the four throttles. Next is a smaller lever with a red handle labeled "T". That lever switches your fuel tanks from MAIN to AUX to OFF. On the far right are your Cross-Feed levers. (As far as I know, these fuel-flow controls are not in the VC itself.) Hope this helps.

[JockHA]

Congratulations on the shakedown cruise.

Real DC-6B pilots will chime in on the joys of fuel management. Here is a start. In the VC you will see a set of icons on the left side of the panel. The one with "wings" is the pedestal. You can pop it up by clicking on the icon.

On the top left of the "popup pedestal" you will see the four throttles. Next is a smaller lever with a red handle labeled "T". That lever switches your fuel tanks from MAIN to AUX to OFF. On the far right are your Cross-Feed levers. (As far as I know, these fuel-flow controls are not in the VC itself.) Hope this helps.

Thanks I found them. Now I feel in better shape for the longer legs.

[JockHA]

After a major cockpit upgrade (Saitek Proflight yoke and pedals) and test flights (not all of them were good) and some repair,
here we go !

TOW: 40756 kgs = 89,866 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 2113 kgs = 4659 lbs

Edit: By night.

[JockHA]

Safe down at EGLL.

Landing weight FS : 39,676 kgs = 87,455 lbs
Landing Weight Duenna: 87,472 lbs
Fuel used FS = 40,756 - 39,676 = 1080 kgs = 2,381 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 2361.6 lbs

Flight time Duenna = 1:01:30

[svenks]

EGLL-LFBP, mostly to be where Jock is, if we team up for the next legs!

Fuel: 16% = 5962 lbs, payload 14540, GW=83702

/Sven

[svenks]

Ok, down safe!

Got a little chat with arrvoo and rob!

Fuel left: 3756, , spent 2206, LW 81496 (calculated)

/Sven
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[JockHA]

Sven,
was this a night flight ?
We need three, EHAM-EGLL was a night flight.

[svenks]

No it wasn't, and yes, I know.
I'm trying to set up for LFPB-LIML, but my PC is cranky.
Will you be able to join?

/Sven

[JockHA]

TOW: 40395 kgs = 89,071 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 1754 kgs = 6073 lbs

Night flight

[JockHA]

I just posted LFPB-LIML (did not see you on the Buzz FS Host)

[JockHA]

:redface:
I made a calculation error with the fuel.
Engines stopped at approx 1500ft AAL, I got them restarted, but did not manage to make a proper landing.

I will give figures later.

We will try once more another day.

To Race commitee: How will this flight count ?
I did finish and crashed at landing, but the engines stoped on fiiinal approach.

The error count en-route is due to engine stopped due to low fuel.
They were restarted but I failed the landing.

Landing weight FS : ?????
Landing Weight Duenna: 85,535 lbs
Fuel used FS ???
Fuel Used Duenna 3503 lbs
Fuel at landing was 1%.
I miscalculated 1000 kg (adding error, was too fast in the planning).

Flight time Duenna = 1:44:00

Crash penalty 2 hrs.

[Moses03]

"A crash on landing completes the flight right there without restarting. Simply post the

Duenna files while announcing the "crash landing" to be recorded in your logbook."

Jock- Thinking no need to refly leg as close as you were to landing. You can continue on with just the 2 hr penalty added. At the very worst you gave the passengers something to send a postcard home about.:engel016:

Will pass along to the others in the committee just to be sure.

Moses

[JockHA]

TOW: 40485 kgs = 89,269 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 1844 kgs = 4063 lbs, 12%

Night flight

[JockHA]

TOW Duenna : 89,235 lbs
Landing Weight Duenna: 87,231 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 2003 lbs

Flight time Duenna = 0:54:12

I landed on 04R, in order nor to hit the hills on approach to 22*.

[JockHA]

TOW: 43,493 kgs = 95,902 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 4,852 kgs = 10,700 lbs

[JockHA]

This was a rather long flight.
Landed after sunset (it was dark).

Landing Weight Duenna: 86529,9 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 9335,4 lbs

Flight time Duenna = 04:03:04

[svenks]

Excellent work, Jock!
Tried to reach you on TS around 2100, but you were 'away'.

BRGDS
Sven

[svenks]

Off to Africa....

Fuel: 6196, pay: 21160, gw:90346

/Sven

[svenks]

I hate it when NDB's are not there:pop4:, in this case CNY. And the 03 approach is based on CNY!
Good thing Jock was at GMMC and fired a flare so I could see him!

Down safe, LW 86258, fuel spent 4290, left 1906 - and I wish I could figure out the crossfeed system, if it's working or not!

/Sven

[JockHA]

TOW: 43,358 kgs = 95,604 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 4,716 kgs = 10,400 lbs

[Vicious]

Keep up the good work Jock! I just finished myself. I'll keep the drinks cold for ya.

[svenks]

Go, Jock, Go!!!!

/Sven

[svenks]

Vicious - I need to know: Does that thing you hold in the picture actually fly?????

/Sven

[JockHA]

Keep up the good work Jock! I just finished myself. I'll keep the drinks cold for ya.

I surely need that drink.
Sahara is loooong and dryyyy.
I nearly missed one of the few NDB's (they are only midle range),
most of the time I fly without any NDB signal.
On my way from NDB FR to NDB ZT.

[JockHA]

Go, Jock, Go!!!!

/Sven

Thanks Sven.

[JockHA]

Had make a turn around the airport before I could land.
Had nearly landed on a taxiway.

Landing Weight Duenna: 87162,8 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 8406,0 lbs

Flight time Duenna = 03:51:00

[Vicious]

Sven,

Yep, the jet I'm holding actually flies, or at least used to. It's 9 feet long, with a 6 foot wingspan and weighs about 32 lbs. We stopped performing with them just before the micro turbines came out, so this one is ducted fan powered so it would only do about 150 mph. Today's models are usually speed limited to 200. I still have one of these (we built seven total) hanging in my garagae over my car. It's a nice reminder of good times. :icon_lol:

[Vicious]

Here's a few pics of the Eagle in flight.

[svenks]

Hi viciuos

Wow, that's neat!:applause:
Thanks for sharing - and the pics!

BRGDS
Sven

[JockHA]

Perfect flight, but I forgot the Duenna.
Sorry Sven, we have have to redo.

[svenks]

Hey, great that you're taking us to the jump-off point for South America.
I'm planning to take us to SBRF monday around 1500Z.

BRGDS
Sven

[svenks]

Hi guys
Well, as you can see, we've suffered a setback...What you can't see is that we have suffered two!

My gaming rig has become increasingly unstable, so much that I've have taken the rather drastic step of installing Windows7 in a new partition. So I have spent the last 2 days installing and setting up FSX on this new installation - and it seems to work now. I'm not sure on multi-player, it may be W7's firewall, but I'm unable to connect to Buzz' FSHOST.

Other than that, I think I'm ready to give it a go later today!

BRGDS
Sven

[MM]

Good luck with it Sven.

[svenks]

Take 2, windows 7 - new setup!
Wish me luck!

PL=21160, FUEL=6497, GW=90858

BRGDS
Sven

[svenks]

I TOLD you to wish me luck!
About to pass SLO (last waypoint before Dakar) - SLAM!
FSX not responding!!!!!:rocket:

Man, I'm so mad!
That rig is going in for repair!!!

Brgds
Sven

[Vicious]

Bummer to hear Sven. I haven't had much luck with FSX either so I reinstalled FS2004 for the race. Hope the repairs get you flying again soon.

[svenks]

Take 3.

This time it's war!
Underclocked PC, FS2004 on XP!

PL=19160, Fuel=6600, GW=88955, MLW=88200

BRGDS Sven

[svenks]

Whew - Dakar at last!
And goodbye to FSX!!!!!!!

LW=84195, Fuel=1834

[JockHA]

Well done Sven.

Now we are ready for the transatlantic crossing.

I do not have time until the week-end.

[svenks]

This is the big one, especially on a PC bound for repair

Also, I might have to abort/divert due to real life issues!

Anyway, PL=14160, Fuel=17999, GW=95395 (just short of MTOW 95500).

/Sven

[JockHA]

I know there is no flying wing but anyway.

Payload 22,000lbs
TOW = 103,732 lbs (MTOW= 107,000 lbs)
FOB = 18522 lbs

[svenks]

This is the big one, especially on a PC bound for repair

Also, I might have to abort/divert due to real life issues!

Anyway, PL=14160, Fuel=17999, GW=95395 (just short of MTOW 95500).

/Sven

And it proved to big for my cranky PC:gameoff: - sudden reboot after about 4 hours!
Jock is taking over, and I hop you will let his leg count in my stead!

--- off to get drunk ---

BRGDS
Sven

[MM]

Gosh, horrible luck Sven.

Now pacing the floor waiting for Jock's arrival...

[JockHA]

I just got the NDD Calcanhar at Southamerica's NE point. I missed the island Fernando De Noronha.
Maybe it was at the time when the captain was in the pantry doing the dishwashing.

Now heading 190 dgr down the coast.

[JockHA]

Approaching the coast.

Now navigating on the NDB's.
Thats a good feeling.

[JockHA]

Started the descent

[JockHA]

FOB FSX 618 Kg.

LW Duenna: 86557,3 lbs (-17127,8 lbs)
Fuel used Duenna: 17127,8 lbs
Flight Time: 7:54:09

[Bry Rosier]

Nice one Jock :) It a great feeling to see that South American coastline after such a long featureless flight ! Enjoy the run down to Argentina :) The Alvear bar is still busy serving the pilots and crew and the BOAC Hermes team have just returned from a trip Back to RIO with some Dancing girls to compliment the fantastic Buenos Aires Senoritas :) See you soon

[svenks]

Great Work!!!!

It's all downhill from here - except... I'm afraid you'll have to go it alone, as I simply
don't trust that PC to do anything but crash!!

/Sven

[JockHA]

Ok, Sven.
I will fly the legs during the week.

I found out that I have one problem with VC and rain.

Even after installing the Flight 1 VC rain fix.
The VCRain* files in the texture folder is not updated.
I suspect that the fix does not work because I run Vista.

Do anyone have the converted VCRain* files,
so I can copy them to the texture folder ?

[JockHA]

Nice one Jock :) It a great feeling to see that South American coastline after such a long featureless flight ! Enjoy the run down to Argentina :) The Alvear bar is still busy serving the pilots and crew and the BOAC Hermes team have just returned from a trip Back to RIO with some Dancing girls to compliment the fantastic Buenos Aires Senoritas :) See you soon

Thanks Bry,

Please keep the bear cool and the girls hot.
See you.

[JockHA]

From where can I download twidgau.zip and dc3_bbzx.zip ?

[Great Ozzie]

Hi Jock,

Go to Flightsim.com Basic File Search (http://www.flightsim.com/file.php?cm=SEARCH) and search "File name" for twidgau.zip.

For the Sextant... same place (basic file search) just do a "Search for text" using the word "sextant" and the first / top return should have the file you're looking for.

HTH's
Rob

[JockHA]

Thanks for the help.

Another problem you maybe can help mewith ?

I found out that I have one problem with VC and rain.

Even after installing the Flight 1 VC rain fix.
The VCRain* files in the texture folder is not updated.
I suspect that the fix does not work because I run Vista.

Do anyone have the converted VCRain* files,
so I can copy them to the texture folder ?

[JockHA]

TOW: 42,494 kgs = 93,700 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 6,000 kgs = 13,230 lbs

[teson1]

Hi Jock,
good job for the atlantic crossing. :applause:
Man, I'm apprehensive of that leg (and my next one LPPT GCXO). Different thing to get out over the water with no clear position, and nowhere to turn to in an emergency...

When you arrive, have a look out that the lads leave me some booze...

[Great Ozzie]

Hey Jock,

I don't use Vista, however, from what I know of it, that sounds like it's related to admin / ownership rights of the folder being updated. Checkout this Shockwave/A2A Thread FSX - Rain FIXED!!! (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=9177&start=0&sid=eba7a259b9a9fabda50813f461667ebb)

Also, for just the VC Rain files, you can download them from this FSInsider Support: Add-on Aircraft Cockpits Opaque in the Rain Alert (http://www.fsinsider.com/tips/Pages/SupportAlertAdd-onAircraftCockpitsOpaqueintheRain.aspx)

[JockHA]

After a very quiet flight I had a horrible final approach ending in the water at the end of the runway.

On approach it started raining and I had not VC Rain fix installed yet.
So I installed the VC Rain texture files that while making an extra turn over the sea.
Climbed above the rain and went down again.
Now the rain looked ok.
See the picture.

Then I started the approach again.
Visibility was very low.
After two goarounds id went down.
Touched too late and rolled over the end of the runway into the water.
Crash.

There is one more error in Duenna that I do not understand.
Maybe becausee baton time say 14 hours ?????????

Correction to Payload = 7825 Kg = 17,254 lbs
I must have made an error when loading the payload.
This what FS showed just before landing.

Landing Weight Duenna: 83087,7 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 10564,8 lbs
Flight time Duenna = 04:40:45

[JockHA]

How does this flight count ?

[JockHA]

I will assume that I can continue with a 1 hour penalty for the crash/splash.
If it proves otherwise, I will refly the leg.

[JockHA]

TOW: 40,717 kgs = 89,780 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 2,080 kgs = 4,586 lbs

[JockHA]

Landing Weight Duenna: 87,590 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 2,169 lbs
Flight time Duenna = 01:00:20

Nice quit flight.

[Vicious]

Hi Jock,

I think you were correct on the race penalty. The flight is considered complete when crashed on landing and the penalty is added. I don't recall if the penalty was 1 or 2 hours however. I don't have the rules to check at the moment.

Good work on crossing the water! You guys have be having a tough time with the computer woes, it nice to see you not throwing in the towel. :applause:

[JockHA]

Thanks for the sheer up.
We are going all the way Buenos Aires (only 2 more legs).

The crash penalty is 2 hours, not 1 hour as I stated.
My problem is there was another Duenna error that I do not understand.

[Dangerousdave26]

Just when I thought I have seen all the possible error combinations the Duenna can throw at us...

That is a strange reading on the Duenna not sure how that could have happened.

For our part we know the baton time is wrong and per the rules does not matter anyway.

Therefore you are correct in accessing the crash bonus and flying on.

Of course I am not a committee member so they will have to correct or validate that statement.

No matter what you are correct in just continuing on and waiting for a response.

I think that airport is the one that caused me great pain in the 1941 event last year.

Cheers and good luck

[JockHA]

TOW: 41,937 kgs = 92,471 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 3,300 kgs = 7,276 lbs

[JockHA]

AT takeoff the landing retracted automaticaly.
The Aircraft touched the ground "gently", but no crash.
I hope no severe damage.
I have done a check by extending the gear.
All three were green. Then retracted again.

The gear handle was in Locked position, not in down.

I am still learning a lot, during the "race".

[JockHA]

Maybe some of the Duenna experts in the Race Committee can explain the error.

[JockHA]

Landing Weight Duenna: 87,730 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 4,684 lbs
Flight time Duenna = 02:10:19

Descened too late.
Was hot and high.
Made a goaround and a perfect landing.

[Moses03]

Sorry for the late reply Jock. Have brought the error issue to attention with the committee.

[MM]

Jock,

All looks good. That is, you take the "crash penalty" on the spot and continue.

The Duenna "Flight Time" is correct and that is the relevant time marker. No problem there.

However, you do ask a good question about the "Baton Time". It's not immediately obvious what John Mueller is measuring with "Baton Time".

Glad to see you had the ingenuity and the dexterity (and the cojones) to install the proper VCRain textures while in the landing pattern. Good flying.

Best,
Mike

[JockHA]

Thanks Mike.

It was rather exciting to do,
but I guess thats what makes this fun.
Some adrenaline shot.

[RFields]

There is one more error in Duenna that I do not understand.
Maybe becausee baton time say 14 hours ?????????

There is only one error in the text file - the crash when you went off the end of the runway.

Yes, the error count does show up on the same line as the Baton Time.

It does not show an error in the Baton Time.

The graphic makes a lot of compromises due to the need to keep it a readable size. The text file always has the official information, not the graphic.

John Mueller made a long explaination a while back about times and crashes.

Basically if my memory is right, the flight time can be calculated by Duenna because it has a start and stop time of the flight recorded from FS.

However Baton Time is a problem because FS does not give Duenna a chance to drop the baton - it resets the flight and messes up the timing tracker.

[RFields]

AT takeoff the landing retracted automaticaly.
The Aircraft touched the ground "gently", but no crash.
I hope no severe damage.
I have done a check by extending the gear.
All three were green. Then retracted again.

The gear handle was in Locked position, not in down.

I am still learning a lot, during the "race".

I think it was 1967 or 68. A pilot with VQ-1 arrived back in Atsugi Japan after six weeks on a carrier. He was called out the next morning to make a test flight in an EA-3B Skywarrior after something on the plane had been fixed by maintenance. He was the only A-3 pilot available that day.

While flying off the carrier, the pilots move the gear handle into the up position right before spooling the engines up for the cat shot. A solenoid stops the gear from moving as long as it measures compression on the gear. When the plane leaves the flight deck, the gear folds - FAST.

When he lined up for takeoff, he reached over and pulled the gear handle up. The Nav did not notice him doing it, and it was not on the checklist. At about 100-110 kts, the plane bounced a little and the gear started folding. The partially folded gear and fuselage made contact at least five more times with the runway before it became airborne in the next few seconds.

After making a no-gear takeoff, the pilot then had to make a no-gear landing.

The accident report which I saw in 1973 was - unflattering. I understand the pilot left the Navy a few months later.

[JockHA]

Thanks for the explanation.

[JockHA]

I was more lucky.
I had working landing gear, to make a good landing.

I do not intend to leave flight simming based on this incident.
I take it as one more learning.

[svenks]

Jock, thanks for keeping up the good work!

My rig is still in for repair, and I have been away on vacation and did not know what is going on.

Bring her home!

BRGDS
Sven

[JockHA]

TEAM SAS has arrived.
The bar was empty and the dancing girls had left.

Duenna will follow, is on my PC at home.
(I am at work now.)

[Vicious]

Jock,

The party isn't over. We've just moved it to another bar down the street. The bar we were in ran dry so we had to change venue.

Congrats on finishing the race! :ernae:

[arrvoo]

Congrats Jock and Sven. Welcome to the party

[MM]

Well done, Jock. Good to have you arrive!

[JockHA]

TOW: 41,937 kgs = 92,471 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 3,300 kgs = 7,276 lbs
-------------------------------------------------
Safe down at SAEZ

Landing Weight Duenna: 86,718 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 5,722 lbs
Flight time Duenna = 02:35:48