Live FSX Warbird Airshow anybody....

[Shylock]

Hey guys I was just wondering. Our sim team along with the help of a gentlemen by the name Martin "Foxy" from the FSX Thunderbirds have figured out how to broadcast a live FSX Airshow via a livestream. Our main goal is to broadcast maybe 2 live demonstrations a month at different airfields and for different sim based groups. We are already locked in for 2 of BVATC's events this year and have set a tentative schedule.

My question to you guys would be would anybody from here care to perform in a War birds type of weekend Airshow that we would broadcast live? We would provide everything needed for the livestream. Think this could be a great experience for all the simmers out there.

Formation flying seems to be catching on in FSX now with a few demonstration teams popping up and going full force. There is us, the FSX Blue Angels, FSX Thunderbirds, FSX Red Bulls, FSX Blue Eagles, the Blue Eagles are a real joy to watch with their 2 Bi-planes.

I would really like to see more teams like:
1- Red Arrows
2- Snowbirds
3- Geico Skytypers they use the T-6 Texan . Now that would be really cool if a group can figure that out. Imagine in FSX being able to type in the skys lol. Things you can do. <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrPJTe5zBbE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrPJTe5zBbE)<!-- m -->
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5- Aeroshell Aerobatic Team- <!-- m -->http://www.naat.net/ (http://www.naat.net/)
6- The Horsemen

So many possibilities out there and would really bring the FS community together. If you have a new plane your coming out with and want to promote it you have this platform. Please keep in mind this is not a post to get website hits or hopes of making money. We are all about Not for profit and doing good for others. At the same time paying tribute to those who have served in the military all over the world to fight for the freedoms their countries now have and to those who didn't come home.

I know their are a lot of vets on here. Let me know what you guys think or leave some suggestions.

:USA-flag:

[Matt Wynn]

sounds a great idea Shylock, are there any limitations on Aircraft Type? apart from FSX native of course?

[Roadburner440]

Are you looking for just classic propeller aircraft, or trying to do like a real show and have a mix of smaller GA aircraft all the way up to military types? This sounds like a really good idea. Do it using FRAPS, or are you talking live as in online flying?

[Matt Wynn]

live as in live stream i assume....

[Shylock]

Yes live as in Live stream. There are no limitations. The only thing needed would be to have the person doing the filming have the aircraft being used. The idea would be to have everything and anything going on. It would be a private direct connect multi player server we would set up so this way there's no lag or interference for the flier. Would have a schedule set up of routines for the day. Whats great is if you don't have FSX you can still see the flying and what FSX and developers have to offer via the live stream. You can have music and narration as well for the flight demo.

For example Smoothie you have a F-16 coming out and want to show it off before the release of it. Well you give a visual model or BETA version to the person doing the camera work and you strut your stuff for the world to see.

The goal is to give the viewer the feel of being at a real Airshow. The folks that fly the combat sim Lomac have their yearly VFAT that they live stream. However with this event we can do will not cost a dime to anybody and have great quality. The big plus coming out of it is a great platform for developers to promote their new up coming releases wether its planes or even scenery.

Any type of act would be welcomed as long as it is done realistic. Not just some 13 year old flying around in a hornet at Mach 2 with smoke on. Learn the real flight capabilities of the real plane and come up wit ha demo. Some of the sim teams plans are to do monthly shows of the full demonstrations of the Navy and USAF demo teams. But in between I would really love to see other sim groups such as our forums here put something together.

We can have a WWII Weekend. Then maybe even a civilian aircraft weekend, Vietnam etc. We can do anything. The old saying goes "The Sky's the limit"

Whats great for us is that with the limitations of other combat sims being able to do different shows, we can do a show anywhere in the world in any type of aircraft. I had been thinking of this for a long time now but wanted to wait until we figured out the live streaming to put the idea out there. And when I had seen a member from here trying to get together a grand flight of P-51's, I figured now is the time.

[hews500d]

That sounds like something I would be interested in possibly. Most likely I would do a demo with the P-51 or F-4U Corsair.

Darrell

[Kiwikat]

I'd happily be part of a warbird team!!! :ernae:

The Aeroshell T-6's are my favorite planes on earth. The modified Alphasim racer version would make a perfect T-6 for a display team. In fact there was a great Aeroshell paint released for it.

In fact, would anyone here be interested in trying out a T-6 team?

[flyingip]

I'd love that too! :jump:
I only have the SU T-6 but a virtual horsemen team would be very nice too :d

[Tweek]

I'd definitely get in on this. Used to co-organise such events over at Simviation, but I felt that a lot of people didn't really follow many of the rules we set in place, so it sort of detracted from the realistic atmosphere - things like sticking to the display lines we set. Planes don't fly above the crowd, inverted, at 50ft, in real airshows! So long as people did try to keep it as realistic as possible, by rehearsing the display and following all the rules put in place, then I think you could be onto a winner.

I'd be up for displaying anything, really. The P-51 and Spitfire would be high up on my list, seeing as I get most of my warbird stick time out of those two, but I'm open to anything that I have in my hangar.

[Panther_99FS]

This sounds quite interesting! :applause:

[Navy Chief]

Right now, I would not want to commit to anything such as a demostration team, BUT (Prowler, are you reading this??)........I bet RAZBAM could use an opportunity like a live, streaming airshow, to "showcase" one or more of their "soon to be released" aircraft for FSX.

The only question I have in that regard, is (unless I am mistaken) for an aircraft to show up on your screen, you have to it installed in your FSX, right?

NC

[Matt Wynn]

sounds like a good excuse to get practicing my old extra display in the Zlin :icon_lol: unless i get my extra back out.... tough call.....:icon_lol: me to the airfield >> :running:

[Rezabrya]

Kiwikat I would be interested although I need to do the mod again.

[Shylock]

The only person who would need the same aircraft as you would be the one filming. Nobody else would be in the session and everybody would tune into the live stream. I like everybody throwing out ideas here keep them coming. Once we get it figured out we'll set a date.

[Rezabrya]

I'm really liking these ideas for the community flights and events lately. The P-51 historical flight, this airshow. Keep em coming guys!

[Matt Wynn]

heres an idea.... pre-show have everyone parked up and the cameraman take a walk (as observer should work) to show the diverse selection (fingers crossed) of aircraft involved... that and custom scenery (ad hoarding etc...) that can be easilly placed using EZ-Scenery/Instant Scenery etc... we'll need something to mark show centre as thats a key reference point along with the crowdline....

Shylock if you want some ad hoarding let me know would only take a day to make a generic A-frame sign and building mounted sign....

[Navy Chief]

This REALLY sounds like a cool idea! And Prowler likes it too, I contacted him!

NC

[Shylock]

heres an idea.... pre-show have everyone parked up and the cameraman take a walk (as observer should work) to show the diverse selection (fingers crossed) of aircraft involved... that and custom scenery (ad hoarding etc...) that can be easilly placed using EZ-Scenery/Instant Scenery etc... we'll need something to mark show centre as thats a key reference point along with the crowdline....

Shylock if you want some ad hoarding let me know would only take a day to make a generic A-frame sign and building mounted sign....


Smoothie the idea of the opening shot is a great idea. But...theres always a but, here are some of the problems you would run into. You will need everybody that is performing be in the session at one time. What this does is will cause a great amount of lag. Trust me our team had tried doing 2 live full on demonstrations in public sessions. 1ST was for the folks over at BVATC and they had over 75 members parked at the airfield and plus another 25-30 plus contollers. And boy that gave our team 2-3 FPS which made it impossible to fly. 2nd demo was for the people over at the Fleet and that was the same thing.

So this livestreaming is what we have come up with to be able to do a live demo and be able to broadcast to a larger group of people and be able to have only the 10 members of the team in the session. o if you would like to have the show open like that it is not a problem. We would just need to make sure we get all the aircraft invovled and send them to my movie guy. From there we can have a opening video that is top notch and very tasteful. Heres a video of his work for the winter practice video he put together http://www.fsxblueangels.com/videoscreen%20elcentro%20practice.html

What did you mean by add Hoarding? I for one would like to stay away from any type advertising or anything that might seem as tho somebody stands to make a profit off of it. Unless its you as a developer that stands to make a profit off of your hard work and its your plane your demonstrating. Then thats fine. Sometimes you would leave a door open for people not doing anything with the show other then slapping their name on it. But keep in mind the more things you add into a scenery the more chances of there being lag for some of the fliers. Lag is a formation teams worste enemy.

As for a show center dont worry about that. Our team uses a tractor trailer for the show center marker. I had even went ahead and built a yellow trailer for use as one. I have also built Airshow type loud speakers that I have placed in our El Centro scenery that you can see here the pics of the trailer and the speakers http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=15303

[Kiwikat]

I'm really liking these ideas for the community flights and events lately. The P-51 historical flight, this airshow. Keep em coming guys!

I will like the ideas more if they can actually materialize into an event. Hopefully we will have good attendance at the P51 flight. I think we could get a good multiplayer community going.

[Matt Wynn]

by ad hoarding i mean like signs you see with things like 'Sim Outhouse' on and 'Online air display......(dots naming the airfield) etc...

[letsgetrowdy]

Here's a link to a post I made at A2A forum....

Hi There;
I specialise almost entirely on FSX formation flying, which you can see in my latest video on youtube "Past And Present- an FSX Film".
My greatest enemy in formation flying is of course low frame rates, which can really stuff up your formation shape if you freeze for a few seconds.
I was wondering if any one was interested in joining me and creating a virtual P-51 (or another warbird?) Display Team online. My Gamespy name is "ThatCrazyIdiot".
I have had a fair amount of practice both online and using Fs-recorder and am able to perform shape fly-byes and formation loops (just :D ).
Here are screenshots of some of my formation work,

P-51 Duet...
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv297/areureadytogetrowdy/2009-6-2_21-28-27-744.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv297/areureadytogetrowdy/2009-6-2_21-14-26-475.jpg
A still from my youtube movie "Past and Present"
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv297/areureadytogetrowdy/2009-6-6_21-8-25-911.jpg
Tiger Moths...
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv297/areureadytogetrowdy/TrioTakeOff.jpg
If any one is interested in creating a display team, either send a comment or a PM.
Thank you for reading...
Regards

[letsgetrowdy]

Would be very interested shylock...
we need a formation of warbirds, I mean, it's a must have.
Perhaps the A2A p-51....

[letsgetrowdy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF_BDsPy6yM

A video link showing a video of the Breitling fighters my dad took in 2000.

[flyingip]

I'd love to join a display team, espacially with P51's, corsairs, spit and other beauties like those :ernae:

[letsgetrowdy]

Orite, I will try to save your name as someone who can join. All we really need is three people.
Also which warbirds do you have for FSX.

[Shylock]

Great to see this is picking up steam. IF you guys haven't made up your mind yet then check out this video of the Horsemen http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=7 and tell me this doesn't motivate you. I watched it like 25 times since yesterday.

This whole Airshow livestream is gaining some speed. We are hoping to be doing our live demos starting August 2nd. If you guys need any help at all our team wil be glad to lend a hand.

http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=43ff41de

[flyingip]

Orite, I will try to save your name as someone who can join. All we really need is three people.
Also which warbirds do you have for FSX.
Well I got quite alot
Erm; IRIS P-40 , A2A P-40 , FSCAST B-17 , A2A WOPII P51D,P47,Bf109,SpitMK1 A2A WOPIII Razorback, Realair spitfire, A2A Corsair , Sky unlimited Harvard/Texan and that's all I think :ernae:

EDIT: I also have the Aerosoft Catalina, CH FW190 and a Hurricane

[letsgetrowdy]

That's a gr8 selection.
...liking the fact that you've got the IRIS P-40, we could use that for some reconstruction of the Breitling fighters.

[flyingip]

That would be great, I really love this idea.

[perrycody16]

i'd be interested in joining you guys. What program do you use to fly online with everyone else? I'm getting a P-51 from flightsim.com. Will that work?

[Shylock]

If you guys are really serious about putting together a P-51 Horsemen type of team we will help you out. We will help you out with website, forums, promotions, getting your demos broadcasted live, allow you guys to use our TS Server. You get the fliers we'll take all of the other stuff for you. Email at Shylock@fsxblueangels.com or Jimi@fsxblueangels.com

[anatolpopov]

If there is somebody who wants fly Extra 300 or Zlin or Christen Eagle or something pair or bigger group, I'm interested, contact me:jump:

maybe something like Blades http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edkta9JMuDE

[Matt Wynn]

the blades are a brilliant team for the best extra 300 team though look at the Royal Jordanian Falcons, larger formation and with their solo pilot :icon_lol: E300 is the only thing i fly at the moment, just to show you how it can be flown i'll point you to my video, but i like the idea of an E300 Team, so long as i get the solo role :icon_lol: its tricky barrel rolling around a fixed formation :jump: heres how the E300 can be flown excuse the landing approach finals you have to fly round a tree at my test site... generally i'm a solo display pilot but would welcome a team of E300, watch this space *puts sunglasses on and fires up the extra*

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[cheezyflier]

if i understand what you are talking about, it would be just like a real airshow, only 100% fsx? that's a really cool idea i think. don't leave out fly-by stuff like the b-25 (i know it's not native but still) and some dc-3 action, and maybe some off beat g/a stuff. there must be a way to do static displays, i just don't know how it would be done. i hope you will have an anouncer telling everyone the manuevers as they happen, where to get refreshments, find the restrooms, pick up your lost child, buy ride tickets, the sort of things you would hear at a real show over the pa system.

[Matt Wynn]

"would the owner of the neon green and white extra 300 please move their aircraft as it is blocking access to the beer tent"

*pick up ray-bans and starts running for the extra*, forget "scramble" running from inside the beer tent it'd be more "stumble":icon_lol::icon_lol:

[peter12213]

I'd like to do a formation of Bf109's if anyone has them either the Flight1 or a2a ones!
I only fly german warbirds really, well except the spitfire and hurricane of course!

[yago9]

Hey guys I was just wondering. Our sim team along with the help of a gentlemen by the name Martin "Foxy" from the FSX Thunderbirds have figured out how to broadcast a live FSX Airshow via a livestream.
:USA-flag:

From all the excitement and commotion produced by the idea I just missed the part in wich you explain how it,s actually gonna work, this livestream broacast.

[Shylock]

www.livestream.com/fsxblueangels (http://www.livestream.com/fsxblueangels) as you can see we have it running 24/7. So when we go to do a demo you hop to that site and you will see it live as it happens. Our number 8 guy will be running the broadcast and he uses a program to capture what is on his screen along with the Audio feed coming through our ventrilo server which will have the narration and show music coming in. So all together you have the complete demo (flying, narration and music) all live.

This enables those who do not have acceleration or FSX to able to view. Also the plus side if you have more then 10-15 people in FSX during multi-player its impossible to just fly in tight formation in a straight line as our team learned today for the BVATC charity flight.

If your looking for the step by step instructions on how to do it then send me a PM or a email at shylock@fsxblueangels.com I will be more then happy to walk you through it and set you up. Its very easy. But this posting was also not to get it started and leave you guys high and dry. It was to garner interest in it enough where we would take care of everything for everybody so all you have to worry about is logging on FSX and flying.

My other post up top in this page was to see if anybody wanted to put together a Horsemen team like they have in real life using the A2A P-51's. For this we will do everything as well as far as website, TeamSpeak server, Livestream, Hosting FSX server, promotions etc. All you need is the plane, the drive, the dedication and teamwork.

One reason why a lot of people who create flight sim teams don't last long is because in the big picture you have so much on your plate all it once you lose focus on your main goal. We are eliminating all that for you.

[peter12213]

Guys I really appreciate your views especially the pro's I would reallly like to bring XH558, the only flying vulcan to this airshow, I would expect to give a full briefing, a good few practice runs with you, and I can send my display route to you guys in advance when I find out the airfield, if its props only, then I'm sorry to have said it but, My father was a vulcan driver and me and him would certainly give good and thorough credit to this iconic cold war icon! P.s I'd talk my display through as we were doing it from the cockpit, theres nothing quite like a Vulcan!!!
Its the Iris vulcan B2 by the way!

[Matt Wynn]

cool your father was a vulc driver, my Grandfather (on my mums side) did a spell on the EE Lightning! (compared to my grandfather, fathers side was involved with designing aerospace rivets...nothing fascinating there ) :icon_lol:

[Snuffy]

My biggest problem with an "online" airshow would be the simple fact that without a complete list of every aircraft and possible paint scheme that'll be showing up, I'll be looking at a bunch of cessna's sitting there.

Frankly I can't afford the time (finding, downloading, installing, etc.,) nor the money (in some cases) to get every possible aircraft that could be at an event like this.

Sorry.

[Tweek]

My biggest problem with an "online" airshow would be the simple fact that without a complete list of every aircraft and possible paint scheme that'll be showing up, I'll be looking at a bunch of cessna's sitting there.

Frankly I can't afford the time (finding, downloading, installing, etc.,) nor the money (in some cases) to get every possible aircraft that could be at an event like this.

Sorry.

I think he was getting at a live stream rather than viewing from within the sim. With the shows I used to do with FS9, it wasn't too much of a problem as there was plenty of freeware out of there to choose from, and anyone who wished to could just download it at no cost to themselves.

As a lot of addons for FSX are payware, it would make more sense to have perhaps a couple of people who have all of the addons in question already, then have them record the event - streaming live over the net.

[peter12213]

cool your father was a vulc driver, my Grandfather (on my mums side) did a spell on the EE Lightning! (compared to my grandfather, fathers side was involved with designing aerospace rivets...nothing fascinating there ) :icon_lol:

Yeah smoothie he flew the vulcan before he left the RAF, he used to say how they could out turn the EE lightning at high altitude, I wish I could have been sitting next to him to see that, but I wasn't even born then lol!
Ive spent many hours just sitting in a museums vulcan we have near where I live, and we just found out that vandals have been throwing stones at it smashing some of the windscreens and damaging other parts of it, how anyone could do that just baffles me!
One of my first memories of sitting inside a vulcan as a 6 or 7 y/o child was picking up this small silver metal cup and asking "whats this for dad?" the answer I got off my dad was "thats the toilet son!!!" Errghhh!! lol

[Matt Wynn]

Damn! thats not on, should mount a CTR and catch the vandals, would serve them right.

[peter12213]

I know, I completely agree, I just don't get some people in this world at all!!

[Shylock]

My biggest problem with an "online" airshow would be the simple fact that without a complete list of every aircraft and possible paint scheme that'll be showing up, I'll be looking at a bunch of cessna's sitting there.

Frankly I can't afford the time (finding, downloading, installing, etc.,) nor the money (in some cases) to get every possible aircraft that could be at an event like this.

Sorry.

Snuffy misunderstanding. With Livestream you wont need any of the aircraft. All you are doing if you want to watch is tune in to the broadcast. Lets just say its like rather then spending the 300 bucks to go watch your favorite NFL team play live in their stadium, you can just stay home and watch it on TV.

This cost nothing to the public. Its covered and free.