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harleyman
May 7th, 2009, 19:49
Just finished it today...its so little and purty....LOL

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k404/harleyman52photo/Shop1.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k404/harleyman52photo/Shop2.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k404/harleyman52photo/Shop3.jpg

Wulf190
May 7th, 2009, 19:55
Killer! But I'd seriously replace the CPIU fan with something better.:bump:

harleyman
May 7th, 2009, 20:09
Killer! But I'd seriously replace the CPIU fan with something better.:bump:

I had thought of possibly doing that...But its just a E5200 stock now, not really built to be a gamer, just for my shop...Well, thats what I told the wife...truth is , I just wanted to see how cheaply I could build one for....

This was more than it needed to be..I put in a 3850 ATI for fun. And boosted the CPU up some to, both raising the price about 35-40 bucks....

olaf1924
May 7th, 2009, 20:17
sounds like a very good time indeed.:applause:

Kiwikat
May 7th, 2009, 20:33
That is cool!

Would you mind posting a parts list with their prices. I'm thinking of building a machine like this to mess around with different linux distributions. :monkies:

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 00:00
Sure.....Here is my wish list from NewEgg before I ordered...

Wish List:

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Lionheart
May 8th, 2009, 00:45
Nice unit Mason!

Have you put some games on it yet and let it flex its muscles?




Bill

Cazzie
May 8th, 2009, 01:46
See how easy that was Mason. I spent a little more on my parts, but I'm picky. I alspo wanted a good power supply and "lots" of fans and airy parts in the case.

Caz

kilo delta
May 8th, 2009, 03:34
Well done ,Mason....this pc building is becoming addictive,no?:icon_lol::icon29:

Speaking of new builds...I was offered a brand new i7 965 chip this week for €400. I could also get a new Evga X58 mobo for a low,low price ;)...have a spare case,hdd's,ddr3 memory,1kw psu, spare 8800gtx,optical drives etc. I mentioned it to the missus but she was less than impressed to have yet another pc in the house :kilroy::monkies: .
I wound up having a few of these :icon29: instead!! LOL

Bjoern
May 8th, 2009, 03:37
Not a bad deal for $420!

The sad thing is that this cheap-o-box perfectly outruns my ~$1260 IBM Thinkpad T60. :icon_lol:

Ah well, at least I can watch movies on the road...:d



- Edit: KD, I'd gladly take that i765, X58 and DDR3. Want my Q9450, P5QL and DDR2 in return? :d

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 04:22
@ Lionheart..... Today it gets some games installed..At least I hope so..LOL Depends on what *Honey Do* things pop up....:blind:


@ Cazzie... I heard that, The whole idea hear was to build a shop rig, and see what I could build for VERY cheap..Its my third computer in use for me..... Yea...I needed it for sure..:icon_lol:


@ Kilo Delta....YUP...Addictive is not the correct word for it..I am already planning another.... Hi !...My name is Mason and I have a building computers problem....HeHe
Oh..You passed on a good deal there..The little lady was not impressed...LOL
Hopefully the :icon29: was good and cold anyway...


@ Bjoern....Its a pretty responsive machine so far from what I see...It got a 3DMark score of 8500 (forget exazt number) but me thinks with a little tweaking it miht do a tad better....:jump:

Cazzie
May 8th, 2009, 06:56
@ Kilo Delta....YUP...Addictive is not the correct word for it..I am already planning another.... Hi !...My name is Mason and I have a building computers problem....HeHe
Oh..You passed on a good deal there..The little lady was not impressed...LOL
Hopefully the :icon29: was good and cold anyway...




And each step gets more expensive and more involved. No ten step program for the addiction either Mason, you'll have to live with it. :ernae:

My oldest son and I (well, he did it mostly, I just supervised and made sure all connections were tight and proper) just finished up a new tower for him. He's delighted now, his pecker's bigger than daddy's! :icon_lol:

Caz

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 07:54
He's delighted now, his pecker's bigger than daddy's! :icon_lol:

Caz


Now thats funny....... BUT......


With what I've learned from our very own txnetcop on OverClocking...

I just took this 70 dollar E5200@ 2.5 up to..........3.2 ....

Thats with slow speed ram at 800 too.....LOL

And its stable as all get out.....And runs idol temps @ 29-30....YEA


This is not *Ripleys Believe It Or Not* :jump:



FSX is next............. The saga will continue.....

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 08:10
Update.....

My first Vista Experience was 4.8...CPU caused the low score

Now OCed @ 3.2 it went to 5.5..With a CPU score of 5.5

My HDD was the cause of the low number this time



3DMark at stock was 8300

Oced it went to 1105


Now for FSX......

Kiwikat
May 8th, 2009, 08:11
Which PSU did you use?

It would be great to get another small machine like this running. I don't know where I'd put it, but I'd make room.

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 08:31
I used a 850 W I had..BUT You can buy a 500W at NewEgg for like 50-60 bucks, or find a case / PSU combo deal

Kiwikat
May 8th, 2009, 09:23
I used a 850 W I had..

Wow, thats one of the biggest cases of overkill I've ever heard of :icon_lol::isadizzy:

mike_cyul
May 8th, 2009, 09:32
Congrats on the computer; apparently all you need now is a desk! :d


Mike

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 10:05
Wow, thats one of the biggest cases of overkill I've ever heard of :icon_lol::isadizzy:



Yea.....I had it here and decided to just use it..


@ Mike.....LOL I do need a desk here...I have to stand to type as my workbenches are to tall for me in a chair....:isadizzy:

Odie
May 8th, 2009, 12:25
Nice job, harleyman ! Like the blue case front...adds a little color and price is definitely right. :applause:

Curious to see how FSX fares on it !

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 12:32
Well so far with FSX and just SP1 loaded..Settings med high...Nothing done in my graphics card settings or FSX config ,its holding 35 frames and looks good..Steady..

Kiwikat
May 8th, 2009, 12:35
I just configured one for about 450 bucks with a 3870 graphics card and power supply.

This would be a fun little project to do if I ever get a spare 500 dollars :mixedsmi:

Though I think a digital camera is higher up on the list. After the A2A cub, P-51, and F-4, naturally. :icon_lol:

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 13:03
So many wants..so little funds...LOL :isadizzy:


I lied..FSX settings for scenery are med....

Helldiver
May 8th, 2009, 13:45
$450 bucks is the right price for a computer. Spend any more than that, is a sheer waste of good money.
You failed to state what you used for a Power Supply. The best rig there is can be brought to it's knees with a insufficient power supply.
I would also spent a couple of bucks for a better cooling for the CPU.
I also would rather use Windows XP than all the bloatware of Windows Vista. It will eventually drive you right up the wall.
I got rid of it last winter. - My hands are still trembling.

harleyman
May 8th, 2009, 14:36
HD...I used a Thermaltake 850W that I had here already..The rig as configured will rune all day on a 500W though...


I'm OCed now from 2.5 to 3.2 on stock cooling and my temps in bios are 28-30... Fine with me right there...


Vista is OK...I ran FSX on it before and had no problems other than the vista lag that drove me nuts.......I went with Vista as its a display puter in my shop, and want folks to use it and perhaps like it????? Their choice..

I do have Win 7 32 and 64 bit and may partition my HDD and dual boot both.....

Lionheart
May 8th, 2009, 15:51
HD...I used a Thermaltake 850W that I had here already..The rig as configured will rune all day on a 500W though...


I'm OCed now from 2.5 to 3.2 on stock cooling and my temps in bios are 28-30... Fine with me right there...


Vista is OK...I ran FSX on it before and had no problems other than the vista lag that drove me nuts.......I went with Vista as its a display puter in my shop, and want folks to use it and perhaps like it????? Their choice..

I do have Win 7 32 and 64 bit and may partition my HDD and dual boot both.....




HM, you are amazing...!

You came into this forum wanting to fly and you ended up getting a computer made for FSX. You have had so many problems with computers. now look at you! The Obstacles made you their worst enemy! You have conquered them all and you have even started a computer business.... All from the yearning to fly virtually, lol..

Amazing..

We as virtual pilots, trying to get our computers to run FS faster, have been turned into computer geeks! (Well, geeks isnt the best term. Computer savy, computer experts, wise to how all these things run... Maybe that sounds a bit better).


:applause: :guinness: :applause:

harleyman
May 9th, 2009, 03:28
Not really amazing Bill....Just done out of desire...LOL



I did just discover one thing...

FSX does not need a 2 thousand dollar home built computer at all..

FSX is running fine on this puppy...

I will push it more later today after.........

Seeing the new StarTrek Movie...YEA :ernae:

harleyman
May 9th, 2009, 06:27
Hmmm.. Well I have loaded GEX and UTX...


With sliders at med and above with no config tweaks its holding 32-35 frames over KLAX....

Thats with traffic at 20%... Smooth as silk too..I am really starting to like this rig more and more...



http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k404/harleyman52photo/KLAXat34Frames.jpg

Bjoern
May 9th, 2009, 08:11
Wow, thats one of the biggest cases of overkill I've ever heard of :icon_lol::isadizzy:

Especially considering that a *good* 425W PSU would already cut it.

But when you have a spare PSU around...why not?

harleyman
May 9th, 2009, 08:50
So true.... It was here, new, and avaible....So in it went...LOL


I am running a Vision Tech 3850 and it requires a 500 watter I believe..Might get by with a 450 as I only have a DVD drive and 1 HDD in this little beast... And two fans..Well three counting CPU heatsink...:bump:

harleyman
May 9th, 2009, 10:21
Now you just gotta see this to believe it.....

Just loaded FEX ..So now its FEX..UTX..GEX..Traffic at 25% now too...

Its smokin FEX too.... I am loving this .... Frames holding steady at 35...

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k404/harleyman52photo/FEXSmoked.jpg

RyanJames170
May 9th, 2009, 17:31
Cool Mate :ernae:

Sundog
May 9th, 2009, 21:30
I did just discover one thing...

FSX does not need a 2 thousand dollar home built computer at all..

FSX is running fine on this puppy...

I will push it more later today after.........

Oh, sure, now you tell me! :isadizzy:

Just kidding, my rig is being built to hopefully handle SoW:BoB when it's released as well as FSX with everything maxed. Plus, my PC's generally have to last me a minimum of five years, before I consider getting another.

But this is a great thread, because my IT guy has been looking to build a low cost FSX box. I'm definitely going to send him to this thread.

I do like the look of that case as well. Although, it looks kind of small. ;)

harleyman
May 10th, 2009, 00:23
Sundog.....Its a mid ATX sized case with a micro ATX mobo in it. Its the size of a off the shelf HP or something like that.Believe it or not it has good cooling too.

It started off to be just a shop build , the plan being to see how cheap I could build one, and with an inexpensive upgrade of the CPU and Vid card I ended up with this set up.

I honestly believe it will out perform my big rig that costs over 2 grand for me to build.( mostly because that rig has a 4870X2 vid card that FSX hates)

harleyman
May 11th, 2009, 08:53
I liked this one ...


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k404/harleyman52photo/HeavyClouda.jpg

harleyman
May 11th, 2009, 09:12
Out of Kennedy Int in the rain of Building Storms.....




http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k404/harleyman52photo/2009-5-12_13-7-9-789.jpg

Kiwikat
May 11th, 2009, 09:30
Those screenshots must be photoshopped!!! No computer can run FSX!

:mixedsmi: :sleep:

kilo delta
May 11th, 2009, 09:35
Way to go,Harley.....now eek out some more gigahertz outta that chip :monkies::icon_lol::ernae:

harleyman
May 11th, 2009, 09:41
Way to go,Harley.....now eek out some more gigahertz outta that chip :monkies::icon_lol::ernae:




10 - 4 on that.... I am loving this...


As a matter of fact.. I took my big rig out to the shop and brought the little on into my house so I could sit and actually fly FSX now....LOL

The vid card holds up my big rig as its got a 4870X2 and FSX hates it ....

kilo delta
May 11th, 2009, 10:03
FSX hates my 790i mobo too. It has a habit of freezing for no reason. I've decided enough is enough and I'm gonna throw in a spare Asus P5E3 mobo and do a (well overdue) reinstall.

harleyman
May 11th, 2009, 10:53
FSX hates my 790i mobo too. It has a habit of freezing for no reason. I've decided enough is enough and I'm gonna throw in a spare Asus P5E3 mobo and do a (well overdue) reinstall.



I am an old pro at reinstalls.....got it down to a science...Hope the new mobo does you right :icon29: