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jdhaenens
May 2nd, 2009, 10:19
Seems that Aerosoft snubbed the United Kingdom when all the liveries for it's soon to be released Catalina were settled upon. There is only one RAF paint and it is from the 333 (Norwegian) Squadron. No native RAF paints exist as yet.

It's like giving a party and having no one come...I built RAF Oban and won't have an accurate Cat to fly there until someone does a repaint. 210 Sqn would be nice, but I'd settle for any native Coastal Command paint scheme. I'm desperately trying to find pictures (other than the grainy black and white ones I have) or drawings that show the scheme.

To be fair, Aerosoft did do a Pensacola model, an NAS Jacksonville model (at least their JI-P-30 model looks like the picture of JI-P-32 I have landing in the James River off NAS JAX), and a Black Cat as well, so the rest of my seaplane friendly airports are covered.

BTW: VERY early pic of my WIP Oak Harbor.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5827/oakharbor2.jpg

Note: The preceeding whine was accompanied by pouting and stamping of feet. If you didn't hear or see this demonstration in your locality, please contact your internet service provider for the "Watch Jim stamp his feet and pout" addon. Fees and restrictions apply...:crybaby:

Jim

Roger
May 2nd, 2009, 10:29
Hmmmm....yes Jim I had noticed. I seem to remember we had something to do with WWII (:kilroy:) and it would be nice to have CC camo and white underbelly version.

stiz
May 2nd, 2009, 11:02
I seem to remember we had something to do with WWII (:kilroy:)


ooo naugty Rog, you get your wrists slapped for saying that ya now :kilroy: :engel016:

jankees
May 2nd, 2009, 11:07
I'm anxiously awaiting this release, and as they promised us a paintkit too, I'll see what I can do, OK?
You just find us a couple of pics...

stiz
May 2nd, 2009, 11:28
ask and ye shall recive :engel016:

http://www.flyingclippers.com/postflight/pfimages/AM089-AR.jpg

http://www.flyingmule.com/img/prd/CG-AA36106_01_lrg.gif

jdhaenens
May 2nd, 2009, 13:38
Hmmm...saw those two and not sure I believe either. The lower one has the right roundel on the fuselage though.

Here's what I've found:

http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/about496.html&highlight=catalina
http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=12529&start=0
http://www.flyingmule.com/products/CG-AA36103
http://www.amazon.co.uk/PBY-Catalina-MK1VA-JX574-210-SQN/dp/B000P5RVES
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=404422&nseq=167
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=301075&nseq=177
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5934203&nseq=78

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4171/firstcatalina.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8550/catinbay.jpg

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/2179/catalinaonslip.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2686/consolidatedpby5catalin.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9646/51207385.jpg

I'd be partial to the darker one with the light colored bottom. Looks to match the original black and white pics better...and the painting.

Thanks !

grumpos
May 2nd, 2009, 17:29
Seems that Aerosoft snubbed the United Kingdom when all the liveries for it's soon to be released Catalina were settled upon. There is only one RAF paint and it is from the 333 (Norwegian) Squadron. No native RAF paints exist as yet.


Although comprised largely of Norwegians, 333 Squadron were a Coastal Command unit operating within the RAF. Their aircraft carried exactly the same colour scheme as every other UK based Catalina during the Second World War, their only unique feature being a small Norwegian flag painted on some, if not all of the aircraft.

I fail to see why having this particular Squadron as a representative of the RAF is such a problem. The Norwegians fought as hard as any other nation, and recognition for them is, IMHO, long overdue.

Given that the seller will be providing a paint kit, just how much time and effort will it take to change the code letters and serial?

Best wishes
Steve P

jdhaenens
May 2nd, 2009, 17:44
You misunderstand. I wasn't miffed because of who was included, I was amazed at who wasn't. ANYONE who will take an aircraft into the North Atlantic in the dead of winter and do low level recon and anti-submarine warfare has all the respect and admiration I can muster.

Jim

Nick C
May 3rd, 2009, 04:37
Yes, I think you got the wrong end of the Stick there Steve ;)

Jim, I've sent a begging letter to Dag. :kilroy:

jdhaenens
May 3rd, 2009, 05:10
Thanks, Nick and Jankees. By the way, the squadron code for the 210 Sqn was DA. Now JX874 (above) was supposed to be from 210 Sqn, but has no squadron markings. The letters by the aft roundel were plane identifiers to my recollection (which may not be reliable at times). I don't think 210 squadron went to the lighter camo until they transferred to Sullom Voe (1943?). I've got the statics at Oban in dark grey presently, obviously to match the black and white pics I had (LOL). I guess I'll get to repainting them now. Looking at Dag's 333 Sqn paint which is marvelous, Steve is right on: Change the squadron code, tail flash, and the decal under the pilot's window, and it's an Oban Squadron aircraft. Again, it's probably way more difficult than just that.

Nick C
May 3rd, 2009, 05:40
Jim. I've just got around to installing Oban which looks great, thank you. However, when the Cat is released, if you purchase you may want to look at the scale alongside your AI.



http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/aerosoft/cat/jim_cat.jpg

IanP
May 3rd, 2009, 05:44
Out comes the book... ;)

210 flew with a number of different codes during the war. They started it with "nil", but that was on Southamptons, Singapores, Sunderlands and Stranraers. 5/39 to 9/39 they used "VG" on Sunderlands, 9/39 to disbanding in 12/43 they used "DA" on, amongst others, Catalina Is.

Reformed on 01/01/44 (exactly a day after dispanding on 31/12/43) by renumbering 190 Squadron, they flew with Catalina Is and IIs with no squadron letters shown until the end of the war, when the disbanded again and were reformed at St. Eval with Lancasters using "OZ", "L" and finally "210" before being disbanded on 31/01/1957.

The only Catalina matched fuselage and tail codes I have for them are AH531 DA-A (Catalina I) and VA729 DA-P (IIA).

Edit: Add W8420 DA-O (Catalina I) to that list, from Combat Codes.

jdhaenens
May 3rd, 2009, 06:19
Thanks, Nick, I was flying blind on scaling the statics, and intended to update them after the Cats came out to match them up. The statics I have are set up as Cat I's (no wheels/with beaching gear...extra in the northern shed at Oban) And thanks for the info Ian.

grumpos
May 3rd, 2009, 07:03
Jim,

Have you seen this site? Click on the Catalina link on the left.

http://home.online.no/~vingtor/ (http://home.online.no/%7Evingtor/)

Nils is a first class historian, so the info will be pretty sound. The origins of 333 Squadron are quite interesting.

Best wishes
Steve P

jdhaenens
May 3rd, 2009, 07:50
Thanks Steve, that is a most impressive site!

Best,

Jim

warbird861
May 3rd, 2009, 08:09
Well the paintkits are really awesome and easy to use. I think there's actually going to be 11 different paintkits for each model variant. In that matter even I could do some paints for you, if I can just find good images of the paint.

Dag
May 3rd, 2009, 08:31
Hi,

Jim;

Have a look at what I wrote here:

http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=18150&view=findpost&p=158502

I like to do the paints as accurate as possible but I have a bit to little to go by on a 210 Sqn with DA¤* codes.

Thanks

jdhaenens
May 3rd, 2009, 11:34
Thanks, Dag. Look at Ian's post above. He has a couple of matching numbers, and if you look at my original pics (the black and white ones taken at Oban at the right time, there are no squadron codes at all, just tail numbers. I realize the need for prioritization. Thanks for your help.


Oban in 1940 (actually the slip on Kerrera)
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8284/obanthen.jpg

Scenery: I moved Sir Lipton's Ketch and the Duty shack. I understand this was a regular turn of events then as well.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3362/obanscenery.jpg

IanP
May 3rd, 2009, 11:46
I have a little horde of "just tail codes", if you want those - matched to aircraft type, but not colour schemes as they're just text, not photos.


9/39 - 12/43 period:
Ib: FP102
IIIa: FP536

1/44 - 6/45 period:
Ib: FP267
IVa: JV931
IVb: JX604

grumpos
May 3rd, 2009, 12:57
Another serial/code tie up:

Catalina I W8416 DA E

Camouflage scheme was early war - codes and individual aircraft letter underneath the mainplane with fuselage roundel (type A1) aft of the blister. Type B roundel on top of mainplane. I have a very small photo (awful quality) of this aircraft. I'll try and scan it later.

Best wishes
Steve P

grumpos
May 3rd, 2009, 13:55
Not the best photo of an early 210 Cat, but probably the best that will turn up:

Best wishes
Steve P

jdhaenens
May 3rd, 2009, 14:20
Wow, you're right about that. That's great, thanks a bunch.

I've repainted/resized the statics:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9674/newstat.jpg

Dag
May 4th, 2009, 04:16
Not the best photo of an early 210 Cat, but probably the best that will turn up:

Best wishes
Steve P


:applause:
What I needed to know really! Had to know the style/size of those code letters. Will see what I can do.
:applause:

I would gave wished for DA-G.... :toilet:

JensOle
May 4th, 2009, 04:43
Wow, you're right about that. That's great, thanks a bunch.

I've repainted/resized the statics:


Looks good! It will be a perfect place for flying the 333 skv Catalina from!
Great time period scenery/airfields makes the flying experience much more interesting.

Nick C
May 4th, 2009, 04:53
The image I have in a book here of No. 209 Squadron Catatalina GR.Mk IIA (VA703), shows the bottom of the wings and engines painted white.

grumpos
May 4th, 2009, 05:39
I would gave wished for DA-G.... :toilet:

Ah, the holy grail of flightsimming. :)

Best wishes
Steve P

grumpos
May 4th, 2009, 05:43
The image I have in a book here of No. 209 Squadron Catatalina GR.Mk IIA (VA703), shows the bottom of the wings and engines painted white.

I have a photo of a 210 Sqn Cat in that scheme as well, but it is mid-1944 and flying from Sullom Voe. The white scheme was a late war development, as illustrated by Nils on his Norwegian site linked to above.

Best wishes
Steve P

Nick C
May 4th, 2009, 05:44
Thanks Steve, I missed that.

jdhaenens
May 4th, 2009, 17:19
Ask and Ye shall receive...LOL. I figure if there was a DAA, well there had to be a DAG... Another new paint on the statics.


http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4411/statics.jpg

Dag
May 5th, 2009, 00:22
Ah, the holy grail of flightsimming. :)

Best wishes
Steve P


LOL.... well... I have researched Extra Dark Sea Grey and Dark Slate Grey a bit further. Expect the colours less vivid on DAE compared to 333 (N) Sqn one.
Aaaaannnndd! Have patience:isadizzy:

jdhaenens
May 5th, 2009, 02:55
Thanks, Dag.

Dag
May 8th, 2009, 08:43
And in progress, nothing to show yet... sorry:kilroy:

Thanks

Dag
May 9th, 2009, 07:39
Here's a screenshot of the No. 210 Sqn Catalina Mk. I I've been working on for a couple of days.

http://www.dagrs.net/screenshots/DAE_04.JPG

Thanks to all the good people here that helped me on finding reference material for this one. I guess it's a pretty straightforward scheme but I really needed to know what the codes looked like as there were so many styles in use. The b/w scans made by Steve P made my day, and decision for that matter .. :-)

Roger
May 9th, 2009, 07:42
Excellent!:icon29:

jdhaenens
May 9th, 2009, 08:12
Looks great, Dag! I might have to look for some info on Sullom Voe and Invergordon now. I think someone has already done Reykjavik, but I haven't got it installed so know nothing of the seaplane facilities. I am already well along on Oak Harbor, WA Seaplane Base.

Thanks!

Jim

stiz
May 9th, 2009, 09:25
very nice :applause:

Cazzie
May 9th, 2009, 10:49
You know, what is sad in my case, is that of all the planes in the Navy's repertoire, the one my father flew the most was a "Cat". The sad part is, there was no certain "Cat", it could have been many doing search, rescue, and repair during Iwo and Okinawa. He was on board an Attack Cargo Transport, AKA-78 "Trego". He was a Master Mechanic, Welder and Master Diver (hard hat) and when ships were damaged below waterline, it was his duty to fly out in a "Cat" with his team and repair damages.

I'm sure I could find some information on PBYs that serve in those campaigns and do one and chances are, he was on it.

It will have to go to top shelf on my wanna gets.

Caz

Dag
May 10th, 2009, 06:21
Hello there,

210 sqn repaint may be downloaded from:

http://www.dagrs.net/files/Cat_210sq_RAF.zip

I was unable to get to the upload section at SOH and the AVSIM file library was down so I resorted to my own site.

Thanks

italoc
May 10th, 2009, 06:48
Hello there,

210 sqn repaint may be downloaded from:

http://www.dagrs.net/files/Cat_210sq_RAF.zip

I was unable to get to the upload section at SOH and the AVSIM file library was down so I resorted to my own site.

Thanks

Thank you Dag, d/loading now.
Italo

gajit
May 10th, 2009, 06:55
Wow - looks great. :applause::applause:

DaveWG
May 10th, 2009, 07:27
Thanks Dag:applause:

Dag
May 10th, 2009, 09:44
You're all very welcome :jump:...... Back to researching Catalinas :icon_lol: