Canadian GP.

[huub vink]

Well its clear that Ferrari is lower in the Steward's ranking than Mercedes. It seems Formula One has become a jury sport. The drivers compete, but the stewards decide who will be on the podium in the end......

Cheers,
Huub

[fsafranek]

Agreed. It was a bad call and no one there was happy about it.
:ernaehrung004:

[Panther_99FS]

Any other driver other than Vettel and Ferrari, no one would have any problems with it - especially if the call was made on Lewis/Mercedes...Everyone would be saying it was a great call!

Seb was under pressure and made a mistake!

[Panther_99FS]

On a side note....
I can't help but wonder how fast Red Bull would have been since it looks like Renault has power.....

[speedy70]

Spoilt brats,bad sportsmanship and lawyers and they call it a sport.Niki would be very annoyed.

cheers chris

[Panther_99FS]

Spoilt brats,bad sportsmanship and lawyers and they call it a sport.Niki would be very annoyed.

cheers chris

One thing.....
Both Ricciardo and Max have shown that it's easy to get inside of Vettel's head. I'd argue that the only reason why Webber didn't was because Webber was diligent to team orders.
Seb has made mistakes before under while under pressure.

[Roxane-21]

Well... It is hard to tell if Vettel would have been able to stay more on the left. Maybe he was still out of control and could not do anything else, or maybe he got close to the wall on purpose to block Hamilton.

Nevertheless, he wouldn't have lost the race if he didn't make this mistake... again. This is the main différence between him and Hamilton. While under pressure, Hamilton doesn't make mistakes (see last Monaco GP) whereas Vettel looses is mind and makes many.

[jamminjames]

Seb was under pressure and made a error, but IMHO it was a cheesy call......

[wombat666]

Another reason why EffWun sucks compared to MotoGP.:banghead:

It's run by a committee and is influenced by 'inside interests' who care nothing for what was once the best open wheel racing on the calendar.
I only bothered with a quick look at the incident but I noticed the Canadian audience were cheering for Vettel in the aftermath, and they (mostly) know their racing business.
As for Hamilton, I still remain totally unimpressed, the image he presents alone is a poor one, while he has never driven an 'average' car.
At least Le Mans is almost upon us.

:redfire:

[Ferry_vO]

Stupid decision by the Marshalls, a penalty for a slight move to the right by Vettel after he regained car control. The second time a fight for the lead this season is decided by a penalty. As if F1 isn't boring enough this year with Mercedes winning everything.




As for Hamilton, I still remain totally unimpressed, the image he presents alone is a poor one, while he has never driven an 'average' car.
At least Le Mans is almost upon us.


It was Hamilton who (Together with Schumacher) made Mercedes the team that it is today, it wasn't exactly a winner when he got there. Many said he was stupid to leave McLaren at that time.

And Le Mans...? Toyota just need to finish without too many problems to win again, LMP2 is now mostly a cup series with most of the field using the same chassis, and next season Ford and BMW will leave the GT class with no replacement in sight. Time for some major rule changes there.

[wombat666]

Couldn't agree more re a serious regulation change for LM Ferry.
As for 'Mercedes', as 'Brawn' by another name they had a pretty good starting point. Button was the primary force IMHO.

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[Panther_99FS]

g business.
As for Hamilton, I still remain totally unimpressed, the image he presents alone is a poor one, while he has never driven an 'average' car.


1) McLaren went to garbage after Hamilton left.
2) Mercedes rose to World Champion status when Hamilton arrived.

'Nuff said.

[Panther_99FS]

As for 'Mercedes', as 'Brawn' by another name they had a pretty good starting point. Button was the primary force IMHO.


The only reason why Button has championship is due to Ross Brawn exploiting a rule that no other team did. After that, they went downhill until the arrival Hamilton. Remember, everyone thought Hamilton was crazy to leave McLaren for Mercedes?

Well McLaren went tho sh#$ after Hamilton left and Mercedes is well....'nuff said....

[wombat666]

Without too being partisan Ed, 'Formula 1' as it is today is steadily going further and further down the crapper thanks to Hamilton, aided in no small part to so-called 'Social Media' and the obscene amounts of $$$ spent by Mercedes Benz.

I started following Formula 1 as a small boy in the mid 1950s thanks to my father and my enthusiasm remained strong up to the 1990s when it became SOP to drive the opposition off the circuit while bending the rules way out of shape was the done thing at certain operations.
By the end of that decade I was really losing interest and today I keep track of the farce that is 'EffWun' to see just how bad it has become and how much further it can fall.
I should state that I have never ever had any respect for 'Race Control', 'Race Stewards' and the 'Committees' that seems to be omnipresent today.
Racers race, the rest become 'Officials'.
I must add that for 30+ years I was a committed CART fan, a series that was effectively rooted in 1996 by the IRL and still managed to carry on despite becoming a single make, single engine series.

As for Hamilton, I've never rated him and while he has the numbers on the board for what passes as a 'Championship' he is no 'Champion'.
He lucked in with his first title, moved to the current team and once Vettel was out of RBR the Mercedes juggernaut did the rest, rather along the lines of the 1930s.
The current generation are all guilty of getting on the horn if anything displeases them but Hamilton and Vettel are seemingly the worst offenders, indeed both seem to require constant pit wall coaching at every round.
Be nice if they were able to follow 'The Iceman's' lead and just get on with their own race.

The Champion's 'Champion' remains Juan Manuel Fangio, winning his titles aboard Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Mercedes Benz and Maserati, not always the best car, simply the best driver.
If Hamilton were to do a similar thing he'd be a real champion, but that won't happen because his over riding motivation appears to be financial.
Call my cynical (I am) but I think the image projected by a 30+ year old Hamilton is aimed at the current selfie-farce book generation.
Max Verstappen could give him lessons on maturity and personality.

Fortunately for me MotoGP provides real Motor Sport racing with a cast of decent and personable sportsmen.


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I'll go take my medication now.

[Ferry_vO]

The only reason why Button has championship is due to Ross Brawn exploiting a rule that no other team did.

Not true, both Toyota and Williams had similar designs.

As for Hamilton, I do like that he's not as stiff and boring like for example Rosberg was.. Seems he's pretty good at combining his busy social life with full commitment during a race weekend.

[b52bob]

F1 drivers have humongous egos, Max the worst. He’s a spoiled baby.

The stewards were going by the rule book and there was no flexibility there. If there was, a simple “change position” with Hamilton would have taken care of it. It would then be an exciting race although I think Hamilton still would have won.

F1 is rapidly going down the tubes. It supports whoever has the most money wins. Engines for most teams are bought and not developed in-house so those running as “second” teams don’t have the best. F1 prides themselves as having the greatest technology in the world which results in those having the most money for r&d always winning. I would love to see what percentage of the price of a new Mercedes, Ferrari, or Infinity goes into F1.

I have have lately become a big fan of Indy car racing. Competitive drivers and cars, lots of passing, and the most money doesn’t always win. Drivers have to learn road courses, city courses as well as ovals. Indy car pulled itself out of what’s happening to NASCAR today and rejuvenated the series.

Just my 5 cents with.

have a smurfy day,
Bob

[Roxane-21]

Not true, both Toyota and Williams had similar designs.

Red Bull as well...

[Panther_99FS]

Not true, both Toyota and Williams had similar designs.

As for Hamilton, I do like that he's not as stiff and boring like for example Rosberg was.. Seems he's pretty good at combining his busy social life with full commitment during a race weekend.

Rog on the chassis correction....:encouragement:

I've said many times that IMHO, Hamilton is a modern day James Hunt....and when the team tries to reel him in (i.e, to make him more "proper"), he doesn't perform as well.....

[Panther_99FS]

Without too being partisan Ed, '


You've already been too partisan....:mixed-smiley-010:

[wombat666]

I never thought much of Hunt.
James Hunt was known throughout the motorsport fraternity as 'Hunt the Shunt' due to his penchant for driving his opposition off the road.
This nickname rapidly morphed into 'Hunt the C----' after he started assaulting track marshals.
He certainly was not a great 'Champion' (as portrayed in the film) and post the McLaren years he was an epic fail with Walter Wolf's crackpot outfit.
Now there's a thought, Wolf and Stroll, both Canadians with more money than sense.
:biggrin-new:
I shall now retire from this forum.

[alx]

Well, some opinions from a big Ferrari fan:
Hamilton is a better driver than Vettel who is overextimated,
but none of them is a Champion (with capital C). A Champion is
someone who can do extraordinary things that make people dreaming.
Champions were Senna, Schumacker, Villeneuve (Gilles of course),
just to name the recent ones. And, Wombat, please read the history
of Nuvolari, talking about the Champion's 'Champion. :mixed-smiley-010:
Mercedes maintain the advantage of the new rules specifically written
some years ago. Other teams try to adequate, but Mercedes has the
research power to remain a little ahead.
Ferrari, after Brawn-Todt had a bad management time; Domenicali,
Mattiacci and Arrivabene were not up to the range of Todt. Beside
this, the choice of Raikkonen year after year was not the best.
Kimi seemed unmmotivated, and capable of good races only in renewal
engage time.
About the Canada G.P. "accident" please remember that in Monaco GP
2016 Hamilton did the same thing (in more malicious way) with no
consequences.
Mercedes "fair play": Do you remember last year when Ocon, just hired
by Mercedes for 2019, crahed into Verstappen car (1st) so allowing
Hamilton to win the race?
Last about James Hunt: a pilot who was allowed to do everything he
wanted, like overtaking with yellow flags, pushing other cars out
of the track and so on.