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hubbabubba
December 29th, 2005, 23:58
Hi guys!

Since we're close to New Year's Eve which is always a good time to look in our past, I wanted to share with you a conversation I had with my schoolbus driver when I was about 15 before it leaves my mind for good.

That old geezer - at least 60 year old! - was always telling me of his flying week-ends with one famous TV star (famous in Québec that is) and how easy it was to fly those Cessna, Bonanza and other "touring" a/c compared with his time during WWII when he was at the command of a "Mosquito".

Like most 15 years old boy, the mention of Mosquitoes and WWII was enough to keep me in the front seat of the bus asking question after question. I don't remember how long the conversation took. Maybe only one bus ride, maybe weeks.

But I do remember that the plane he went on describing was not the "Mosquito" I was aware of. He described to me a strange plane that had no ressemblance with that two-motor multi-crew I had seen in films.

It was a monomotor placed behind the pilot, it's only passenger. He told me that he was litterally riding over the prop shaft made out of solid wood, shaken as if he was sitting on a washing machine with an uneven load during the spin cycle.

He went on to told me that, everytime he was firing his guns, the cabin would fill with gunsmoke to the point of blocking any view from the exterior.

I was 15 and, like most boy of my age, thought I knew just about everything. That old bus driver was pulling my leg! I even started to doubt that he could fly anything, even a Cessna.

But now I'm 49 and I know that they're is a lot of things I do not know, and probably never will. But I now know of a plane that could fit his description : the Airacobra P-39. The nickname of "Mosquito" would aptly describe that bird with its dart coming from the spinner.

Back then I assumed that he was flying for the RAF or the RCAF, but he could have been flying under the American flag as did so many French-canadians at the time. Sorry, never thought to ask.

So guys, was he pulling my leg? Was he an old schoolbus driver trying to "showoff" a young impressionnable 15 years old boy or was he telling the truth? I'm asking because, each years passing-by, the story gets off my mind until a good snowstorm fell on us. That old bus driver took us to school once in such a huge storm that he was the only bus (out of about 75!) to get to destination. And he then went back and returned every students back to their homes!

I miss that old geezer...

Hubbabubba

Ralf Roggeveen
January 1st, 2006, 05:36
Hello, Bonjour & Happy New Year O Canada in particular & rest of the World in general! :wavey: :canada:

Interesting tale hubbabubba, interesting school bus driver!

We had some P-39 discussion here not so long ago...the driver's description fits that aeroplane up to a point, as you say. But it seems most unlikely that he'd call an Airacobra/Cobra a 'Mosquito'. Also, surely the '39's propshaft wasn't wooden?!?! And - defects though it did have - even the worst P-39 wouldn't fill with smoke from its own guns & cannon...

Do you remember WHERE he flew the mystery aircraft? (US ones were mostly in the South West Pacific/New Guinea area).

hubbabubba
January 1st, 2006, 06:07
Hi Ralf Roggeveen!:wavey:

I'm assuming that it was on the European Theater, maybe in North Africa. As I told you all, I never though to ask and I doubt that he could tell me now unless you believe in "Ouija" board.

Hubbabubba :ernae::netherlan

Ralf Roggeveen
January 1st, 2006, 10:34
Curiouser and curiouser...:confused:

No P-39s in Europe except those given to the RAF - which they didn't like, so they handed 'em on to the Russkis, who loved those P-39s & called it the KOBRA.

It occurred to me that your French-Canadian Otto - I mean Schoolbus driver - could have been with the French Normandie-Nieman Squadron in Russia...except that they flew mainly Yaks, never P-39s.

But from your remembrance of his mount, yes, it does seem to have been an Airacobra - certainly you feel the propshaft running through beneath you & certainly the centre of gravity is weird because the engine's behind. Also, he sounds critical of the aircraft - most non-Russian pilots were!

P.S: How's your weather? We've got cloudy, not much rain and quite warm in London, England - thanks to the Gulf Stream (may it last forever (or at least for the rest of my lifetime.)). :ernae: Santé!

hubbabubba
January 1st, 2006, 20:07
:snowman::snowman::snowman::snowman::snowman:
We had a 41 cm snowstorm just before Christmas and about everything else since then (rain, freezing rain, fine hail and, of course, more snow) with temperature going from +5 to -25 °C. Will trade mine with yours any time.

I'm sure he was not with Normandie-Niemen. Didn't Americans used some Airacobra in North Africa? The "wooden shaft" is one of these details that stick in memory like a tongue on bare metal at minus 20. But I forgot, you don't know what minus 20 is.:kilroy:

Hubbabubba

Ralf Roggeveen
January 2nd, 2006, 06:25
No, thank the Good Lord! (We get newspaper headlines when it goes down to less than half that.)

Hope you get time to see this before everything disappears...

Yes! Airacobras were in Algeria in '43 (350th Fighter Group). You may be interested in the book P-39 Airacobra aces of World War 2 by George Mellinger & John Stanaway, Osprey Aircraft of the Aces series, #36 (should be available from Amazon if not in any nearby bookstore).

Love your Bf108. I flew the FS9 one around Norway last summer - one of the best downloadable aircraft ever - maybe you designed it?

lefty
January 2nd, 2006, 06:48
Ralf

Some 165 Airacobras were used by the Free French in North Africa AND Europe - that's surely a possibility ?

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p39_21.html

regards

Lefty

hubbabubba
January 2nd, 2006, 22:51
Hi Ralf!

Nope. Mine is strictly CFS1 business. If you want to see more of it, go to "My debut as a CFS1 designer" in CFS1 general discussion forum, you will see some picture of it and, at the end, you could d/l a "slide show" in AVI format of what will be release in a couple of days. If you still have a copy of CFS1, it would be a good experiment to compare both. The FS9 is, in real life, a "reconditioned" Taifun equipped with modern instrumentation (your magnetic compass is missing BTW) and, if I remember, christened "Elly Beinhorn" in honor of the German's darling Aviatrix who gave its name to the Bf 108.

Hi lefty!

It's not because he was French-Canadian that he would have joined the Free French. For the most part, those who did fought with the French were in the "Résistance" and "Maquis" as secret agent in occupied France, their accent easily making them pass as coming from Normandy.

Apart from the RCAF and RAF, the only other country's aviation where French-Canadians enlisted was USA (USAAF, USN, USMC, etc...) as many wanted to fight the Nazis but not for "King and Country".

Is it possible that the shaft going from the motor to the gear reduction transmission could have been made out of wood?

Hubbabubba

Ralf Roggeveen
January 4th, 2006, 13:00
Don't know of Airacobras in Europe except for the rejected RAF ones. Some were in 'MTO' (Mediterranean Theatre of Operations), but only on the African side of that sea, obsolete by the time the Allies got into Italy. The wooden propshaft remains a possibility! A P-39 recently came out of a lake in Russia and I think it's now being restored in England, so I'll investigate...

Yes, D-EBEI is a modernised Taifun flown today by Lufthansa. In Reality I've seen their Ju-52 historic flight, but never the Bf-108 (yet). Great fun to fly in FS9; you were right to choose it for CFS1. And who doesn't enjoy seeing/flying/fighting from its sister, the immortal 109?

officered
January 4th, 2006, 16:41
I fugure based on your age and his age he would have to be a 30 something fighter pilot in early WW2. I was thinking maybe a T6-G pilot in Korea, the guys did forward air control called their modified Texans 'Mosquitos' but that does not fit the aircraft described at all plus he'd be 40 something. 30 something flying fighters in WW2 does not sound right at all. for the US anyway. Maybe a pre-war pilot flying some of the golden-age military birds? Maybe a USMC pre-war pilot flying against some of the jungle actions in South America or something?

hubbabubba
January 4th, 2006, 17:17
At 15, everyone over 20 is old!

hubbabubba
January 5th, 2006, 03:51
Just made a small calculation:

- I was born in 1956. Add 15 years and we are in 1971.
- From 1941 to 1971: 30 years.
- If my schoolbus driver was 20 in 1941, he would have been "only" 50 years old.
- As I told you, when you're 15, "old" has a very wide definition.

Make sense, isn'it?

officered
January 5th, 2006, 08:25
Very true. Plus add the quality of life in that era and in war = an even more aged look.