USS Bon Homme Richard (CVA 31) Vietnam era

[CIMOGT]

First test in the MCX to check mdl size and the textures added at the present stage

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[delta_lima]

Outstanding start!

Great place from which to fly and recover A-1s, A-4s, and F-8s .... :encouragement:

dl

[expat]

Great place from which to fly and recover A-1s, A-4s, and F-8s .... :encouragement:

Oh, yeah! This is such great news.

Yes, and A-3's too don't forget (quite the challenge).

[Mike71]

Oh, yeah! This is such great news.

Yes, and A-3's too don't forget (quite the challenge).

If you put a "Whale" in the Hangar Deck, don't forget to fold the tail or it won't fit! (Gotta check my model to se if the tail does fold - I forget --)

[CIMOGT]

Pending all animation and air wing

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[MrZippy]

Oh, yeah! This is such great news.

Yes, and A-3's too don't forget (quite the challenge).

A big +1 on the A-3s. My squadron on the Hancock relieved the "Bonny Dick" on Yankee Station in 1971. We flew the EK-A3b Skywaririor for VAQ-129.

[expat]

Be nice to have a Hancock and maybe Intrepid angle decked Essex carriers as well as the Bonnie Dick.

CIMOGT - would it be possible to simply swap out the ship numbers and name textures on your CVA-31 to do this?

[Dino Cattaneo]

One of my projects for 2019 might need an USS Lexington... ;-)

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[CIMOGT]

at this point I can do it, I will review the model textures to make it ready for the number change




Be nice to have a Hancock and maybe Intrepid angle decked Essex carriers as well as the Bonnie Dick.

CIMOGT - would it be possible to simply swap out the ship numbers and name textures on your CVA-31 to do this?

[IanP]

Dino: Any chance of a FASTFAC version of that, or will you just be sticking to the trainer variants? :)

Ian P.

[CIMOGT]

excellent model Dino, that will be the next project


One of my projects for 2019 might need an USS Lexington... ;-)

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[delta_lima]

One of my projects for 2019 might need an USS Lexington... ;-)

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What good news!!!

And back to the thread - looking forward to the CV-31!!

[gray eagle]

Pending all animation and air wing

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Nice Job!
I was on the "Bonnie Dick" Jan '67 - Aug '67
I've attached listing of carriers that air wing 21 was with including the Bon Homme Richard -
After you click on the link - scroll down to CVW-21 and you'll see all the aircraft onboard during the Jan 67-Aug 67 cruise with
the tail colors of each type aircraft.
Would like to see colors of the CAG-21 planes on board.
BTW - The USS Forrestal was our relief and was on Yankee station back then and caught on fire - McCain was onboard the FID then.
The Bonnie Dick and Oriskany both came to the aid of the FID (Forrestal). I saw the FID burning and was terrible mess.
FID was acronym of Forrestal motto for First In Defense.

http://www.wings-aviation.ch/24-Naval-Wings/1963/CVW-21.htm

[awstub]

That would be great.
Any possibility of getting the Ticonderoga (CV-14) added to the list as well?


at this point I can do it, I will review the model textures to make it ready for the number change

[CIMOGT]

Nice Job!
I was on the "Bonnie Dick" Jan '67 - Aug '67
I've attached listing of carriers that air wing 21 was with including the Bon Homme Richard -
After you click on the link - scroll down to CVW-21 and you'll see all the aircraft onboard during the Jan 67-Aug 67 cruise with
the tail colors of each type aircraft.
Would like to see colors of the CAG-21 planes on board.
BTW - The USS Forrestal was our relief and was on Yankee station back then and caught on fire - McCain was onboard the FID then.
The Bonnie Dick and Oriskany both came to the aid of the FID (Forrestal). I saw the FID burning and was terrible mess.
FID was acronym of Forrestal motto for First In Defense.

http://www.wings-aviation.ch/24-Naval-Wings/1963/CVW-21.htm


Thanks for the info

[CIMOGT]

In this model you only need change the number in the texture of the castle, the air wing and the deck


That would be great.
Any possibility of getting the Ticonderoga (CV-14) added to the list as well?

[awstub]

That's great news. Thanks! :applause:


In this model you only need change the number in the texture of the castle, the air wing and the deck

[Willy]

I'd really be interested the Lexington version. I was a crewmember on her from 76 to 78.

[harrybasset]

If you put a "Whale" in the Hangar Deck, don't forget to fold the tail or it won't fit! (Gotta check my model to se if the tail does fold - I forget --)

It appears the tail doesn't fold on the Alpha A-3. Were they ever parked on the flight deck but not taken down to the hangar deck?

[gray eagle]

It appears the tail doesn't fold on the Alpha A-3. Were they ever parked on the flight deck but not taken down to the hangar deck?

Maybe this will clear things up. I've seen them this way on the the two essex class carriers I served on. If memory serves, I think they could fit in hanger bay.
My logic would be why did the vert tail fold if not for that reason.

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[Bjoern]

A3Ds make all other carrier aircraft look like tinker toys. Well, maybe except for the A3J.

[harrybasset]

Maybe this will clear things up. I've seen them this way on the the two essex class carriers I served on. If memory serves, I think they could fit in hanger bay.
My logic would be why did the vert tail fold if not for that reason.

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Thank you for this picture but there is nothing to clear up for me. I know on real world A-3s the fin folded so they fit in the hangar decks of smaller carriers. I was suggesting a work round as the Alphasim A-3 fin does not appear to fold when the wings fold.

[gray eagle]

Thank you for this picture but there is nothing to clear up for me. I know on real world A-3s the fin folded so they fit in the hangar decks of smaller carriers. I was suggesting a work round as the Alphasim A-3 fin does not appear to fold when the wings fold.

Sorry, I read past the Alpha A-3. That would be a nice feature if the Sim version could assimilate the fully folded mode.

[CIMOGT]

finished all the lighting system of the ship, still pending the air wing, in this phase I not added any aircraft model to the deck and i am not sure yet but maybe this model Will be only for p3d v3 and v4

[navy81]

finished all the lighting system of the ship, still pending the air wing, in this phase I not added any aircraft model to the deck and i am not sure yet but maybe this model Will be only for p3d v3 and v4
Please no!
there are still many of us tethered to FSX for a variety of reasons, and would love working off a Bonnie Dick, Hancock, Lex, or Tico...
we would love to see this in FSX too, regardless of whale folding tail...

[Hooky722]

I entirely agree there's no way I could run or even afford p3d atm and I would love to get my hands on this model BTW very happy with the Doorman I barely fly off anything else atm

[Navy Chief]

Hi CIMOGT,

The model looks great!

Three questions. In the USS Gerald Ford, the static models are built-into the model, so are not removable.

Can you design this model so they can be removed (deselected), if desired?

And

Second question is, can you make it so the deck lighting can be adjusted?

Lastly,

Any chance you can make the lights on the ship's island brighter?

Thanks, NC

[CIMOGT]

yes, in the ford the static models are inside the 3d model, for the cva31 I think adding the air wing as an individual model, to be able to modify the lights i will modify the textures related





Hi CIMOGT,

The model looks great!

Three questions. In the USS Gerald Ford, the static models are built-into the model, so are not removable.

Can you design this model so they can be removed (deselected), if desired?

And

Second question is, can you make it so the deck lighting can be adjusted?

Lastly,

Any chance you can make the lights on the ship's island brighter?

Thanks, NC

[CIMOGT]

Testing some of the animation added to the ship, pending a lot of work with the night textures, air wing and control panel gauge

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[CIMOGT]

First test in the sim, to check the textures and the ambient animations of the model

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[DennyA]

Looking great!

[CIMOGT]

This is the first test of the lights in the hangar deck
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[Daube]

Superb ! :applause:

[tgycgijoes]

Really nice work!

[CIMOGT]

play a little with the lights, less bright, now i will add all light in the hull, flight deck and castle

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[CIMOGT]

Drivable version for this model? What do you think?

[tgycgijoes]

If it is not a problem, a driveable version would be really cool but with a real interior to the island equal to the quality of the rest of the model. I can furnish a lot of pictures from the America for you to use if you can't find enough detail online. Maybe someone out there with a Cruisebook from the "Bonnie Dick" will provide even more or better yet, go take a bunch of photos of the Yorktown in Charlestown or the Intrepid in New York for him to use.

[CIMOGT]

If it is not a problem, a driveable version would be really cool but with a real interior to the island equal to the quality of the rest of the model. I can furnish a lot of pictures from the America for you to use if you can't find enough detail online. Maybe someone out there with a Cruisebook from the "Bonnie Dick" will provide even more or better yet, go take a bunch of photos of the Yorktown in Charlestown or the Intrepid in New York for him to use.

yes, the interior of the model will be made, I would appreciate it if you can send me the photos by pm or my mail, now i testing the catapult animations

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[tgycgijoes]

After checking, the Kittyhawk class aircraft carrier bridge is way too large. I wrote to a friend for photos but will write again since he hasn't answered me for photos of the Essex Class bridge. I remember when I was aboard the USS Yorktown at Charleston SC how much smaller it was than the USS America's bridge. Will keep in touch here with you.

[Mike71]

It appears the tail doesn't fold on the Alpha A-3. Were they ever parked on the flight deck but not taken down to the hangar deck?

The A-3 would not fit in the Hangar Deck of an ESSEX and MIDWAY Class' without a folded tail; it could fit on the larger Carriers but not jacked up with the tail upright. An A-3 is nominally 22 plus ft high with the tail spread.

A-3s not going below would not be unusual, as I recall. They clobbered other Bay evolutions, so unless absolutely necessary they tended to stay on the "roof".

An ESSX / MIDWAY Class' Hangar Bay was only 17-1/2 ft clearance; larger Carriers were 25 ft until the NIMITZ Class, which is 26-1/2 ft. In addition Carriers typically carried/carry various items in overhead storage racks, especially drop tanks which made spotting a Whale on the Hangar Deck with an upright tail pretty dicey if even attempted. Also towing one across the typical expansion joints (2) with an upright tail would be very "if-ey" because it would bounce and pitch as the landing gear responded.

Hangar Deck height has a critical impact on a Carrier's stability. On US Carriers the Hangar Deck is the main, or primary strength deck and heavily armored. The Flight Deck is lightly armored and is actually considered a "platform" from the structural point of view. It lends little to the structural rigidity of the main hull. This promotes a lower cg but provides more "freeboard, which helps prevent the Flight Deck going awash in heavy seas.

[CIMOGT]

i still testing the animations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVhpgOBboc&feature=youtu.be

[CIMOGT]

night textures, first check

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[CIMOGT]

Testing in FSX animation and elevator hard deck

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[navy81]

This is looking great, CIMOGT!
Were you ever able to get the flight deck (LA - landing area) lights and fresnel lens (meatball) adjusted to fit the smaller deck of the 27C's? That was a discussion when you had released your modified Oriskany. Just curious.
Really nice work.

Deke (Navy81)

[CIMOGT]

This is looking great, CIMOGT!
Were you ever able to get the flight deck (LA - landing area) lights and fresnel lens (meatball) adjusted to fit the smaller deck of the 27C's? That was a discussion when you had released your modified Oriskany. Just curious.
Really nice work.

Deke (Navy81)

Hi Deke:
using the tools of the sim is a little bit complicated you have to move the positions that define the runway but due to the small size of the aircraft carrier some lights always appear outside the Ship at the end off the runway , but I prefer to leave it like that,
it's better to have the system with that little error

[CIMOGT]

In this model I am working the air wing separately, it will not be included in the same 3d model of the aircraft carrier, it will be an independent model, so the size of the carrier's mdl will not increase too much, is not complete yet , pending all squadrons repaint

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[CIMOGT]

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[tgycgijoes]

I noticed that your airwing which is Crusaders and Skyhawks etc has an SH3 Seaking. It should have a UH2 Seasprite. Here is a link to the Airwings on the BHR assigned by WestPac. From 1964 - 1971 until decommissioned there were no Seakings in her Airwings though they did fly back and forth from Danang I remember on the USS America. Page down the list of carriers on the list and click on the Bon Homme Richard. A lot of interesting airwings back to Korea.

:listening_headphone

http://www.wings-aviation.ch/22-USNavy-Carrier/Carrier-Basis-e.htm

[CIMOGT]

Today i check the textures of the ship and test the repaint for the Lexington

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[fliger747]

The pilot house on an Essex is nearly the size and arrangement of that of a Fletcher Class destroyer, pretty small for a fair sized ship because of the narrowness of the island. . I see that you did get the "Conflagration Station" in the hangar deck! There was also as I recall a large fire door that could divide the hangar deck in two.

Great ship!

[tgycgijoes]

The pilot house on an Essex is nearly the size and arrangement of that of a Fletcher Class destroyer, pretty small for a fair sized ship because of the narrowness of the island. . I see that you did get the "Conflagration Station" in the hangar deck! There was also as I recall a large fire door that could divide the hangar deck in two.

Great ship!

I remember when touring Yorktown down inCharleston how small it was compared to theKittyhawk class (USS AMERICA CVA-66)

[crashaz]

Mighty fine work!!! :applause::applause::applause:

[CIMOGT]

Testing all the animation and lights with the gauge

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[Seahawk72s]

Testing all the animation and lights with the gauge




Impressive...:encouragement:

[CIMOGT]

USS BON HOMME RICHARDS

USS LEXINGTON

USS HANCOCK

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[navy81]

Beautiful work!
If you need assistance with the Air Wing skins, let me know and i will gladly lend a hand.
Really looking forward to their launching.

Cheers!
Deke

BTW, if any of you have a spare 16 minutes (does anyone really), here is a recent youtube video of Oriskany- be gentle - my rig is in the autumn of its existence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH8ezfRjH0A

All the best.

[tgycgijoes]

Great video, TAKE 5 minutes (actually 15) to view it. I wish I could do video like that. I have trouble taking clear jpgs LOL

[CIMOGT]

hi Deke

thank you for the offer of help, as soon as the gauge is finished (i hope this weekend) i send you an PM to evaluate what scheme and squadrons will be reproduce, the formation in the deck at this time are:

f-8 crusader
a-7 corsair II
e-1 tracer
a-4c
a-4f
ka-3b

the aircraft have individuals textures to have different numbers in each plane

regards

Walter


Beautiful work!
If you need assistance with the Air Wing skins, let me know and i will gladly lend a hand.
Really looking forward to their launching.

Cheers!
Deke

BTW, if any of you have a spare 16 minutes (does anyone really), here is a recent youtube video of Oriskany- be gentle - my rig is in the autumn of its existence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH8ezfRjH0A

All the best.

[Corvette99]

Outstanding job ! Can't wait to add this beauty !!!

[tgycgijoes]

hi Deke

thank you for the offer of help, as soon as the gauge is finished (i hope this weekend) i send you an PM to evaluate what scheme and squadrons will be reproduce, the formation in the deck at this time are:

f-8 crusader
a-7 corsair II
e-1 tracer
a-4c
a-4f
ka-3b

the aircraft have individuals textures to have different numbers in each plane

regards

Walter If you setup a plane guard helo, use the same helo from Oriskany, UH2A Seasprite. You can find the Det's at the Carrier/Airwing site I linked above.

[CIMOGT]

Some of the animation added to the model

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D9dvMBtN_I&feature=youtu.be

[navy81]

hi Deke

thank you for the offer of help, as soon as the gauge is finished (i hope this weekend) i send you an PM to evaluate what scheme and squadrons will be reproduce, the formation in the deck at this time are:

f-8 crusader
a-7 corsair II
e-1 tracer
a-4c
a-4f
ka-3b

the aircraft have individuals textures to have different numbers in each plane

regards

Walter

Walter,
Sounds great! I am not sure if you are able to configure the Air Wings beyond where you have gone alrady, but if you have the A-4's, you might consider leaving out the A-7's - they never were together in any of the Air Wings on Lex, Hancock, or Bonnie Dick - and never even routinely served aboard them, but they made one deployment on Tico (together with A-4's), and did serve on Oriskany (but not together with A-4's) - if you want to go to the difficulty of making separate configurations.
I think I would create Skins for CVW-5 (NF) and CVW-21 (NP) for Hancock (2 separate sets), CVW-19 (NM), CVW-21 (NP), and CVW-5 (NF) for Bonnie Dick (3 sets). Lexington really did not deploy with the aircraft configuration you have set up - she was redesignated a CVS (from CVA) in early '60s - and then went only on a single 1 month deployment. For her, if you possibly could, change the static aircraft set to only TA-4's and maybe T-2's if they could be found. I have seen statics of those (if I recall correctly) by Guy Diotte over at Simviation in the past.
Anyhow - lots of potential here and I know many are really looking forward to the culmination of your hard work!
Many thanks and cheers!
Deke

[awstub]

Hopefully we will also see cleared deck and hangar bay versions of these carriers....so we can configure them for the new stuff coming out from Simworks Studios?

[expat]

CIMOGT:

Here is a useful web sit I use as a reference frequently that will show you how to configure historically accurate Air Wings. You can navigate to all the carriers and you need to look on each carrier's main page for the tab "deployments" that will then show the aircraft type and squadrons for each deployment.

https://www.navysite.de/cv/cv31deploy.htm

[expat]

The Hancock in certain years (eg 1958) had as many as six different main fixed wing type of aircraft, FYI.

[gray eagle]

Looking at frame 2:03 I noticed the elevator folding. Just an FYI; I was on this ship and the elevators never did that when I was aboard. :untroubled:



Some of the animation added to the model

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D9dvMBtN_I&feature=youtu.be

[fallenphoenix1986]

Looking at frame 2:03 I noticed the elevator folding. Just an FYI; I was on this ship and the elevators never did that when I was aboard. :untroubled:

Likely wouldn't have been done often but the edge lift on the Essex class were designed to fold as shown, presumably something to do with getting through the Panama canal?

Pretty sure I've also seen shots of the Iwo Jima and/or Tarawa class doing the same though haven't been able to confirm yet.

[CIMOGT]

Looking at frame 2:03 I noticed the elevator folding. Just an FYI; I was on this ship and the elevators never did that when I was aboard. :untroubled:

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[gray eagle]

Likely wouldn't have been done often but the edge lift on the Essex class were designed to fold as shown, presumably something to do with getting through the Panama canal?

Pretty sure I've also seen shots of the Iwo Jima and/or Tarawa class doing the same though haven't been able to confirm yet.

I stand corrected - The folding elevator was before my time (circa WWII). I've sailed on two Essex class carriers and they both may of previously had a deck edge elevator like that but they
never "folded" such as that during my cruises to Viet-Nam -We never had to sail thru the "big ditch" (Canal Zone) so I wouldn't of known.
I would always see them raise and lower -not fold; was not aware that the deck edge elevators did fold. Interesting. :sentimental:

EDIT: Pictures of carrier above ^ look to illustrate before they were retrofitted with angled deck (SCB-125) and allow operation of jet aircraft (SCB-27C) May 1953.
Ship Characteristics Board Program 27 explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCB-27

[Mike71]

Wal ……….. Lexington really did not deploy with the aircraft configuration you have set up - she was redesignated a CVS (from CVA) in early '60s - and then went only on a single 1 month deployment. For her, if you possibly could, change the static aircraft set to only TA-4's and maybe T-2's if they could be found. ----------- Deke

LEX was re-designated in her final years as an AVT, based out of Pensacola for training command use. In addition to T-A-4s and T-2s, the Rreplacement Air Groups (RAGs) for the A-4, A-7 and A-6 routinely used LEX for replacement pilots, getting 10 day and 6 night traps before going on to fleet squadrons. The F-4, F-14, RA-5, E-2 could not be handled, so they used fleet carriers assigned for CQ duty off the east/west coast.

AVT officially was a designation as "Auxiliary Aviation Training" ship, had no combat capability and was not counted as part of the official aircraft carrier force structure.

[Mike71]

Wal ……….. Lexington really did not deploy with the aircraft configuration you have set up - she was redesignated a CVS (from CVA) in early '60s - and then went only on a single 1 month deployment. For her, if you possibly could, change the static aircraft set to only TA-4's and maybe T-2's if they could be found. ----------- Deke

LEX was re-designated in her final years as an AVT, based out of Pensacola for training command use. In addition to TA-4s and T-2s, the east coast Replacement Air Groups (RAGs) for the A-4, A-7 and A-6 routinely used LEX for replacement pilots, getting 10 day and 6 night traps before going on to fleet squadrons. The F-4, F-14, RA-5, E-2 could not be handled, so they used fleet carriers assigned for CQ duty off the east/west coast.

AVT officially was a designation as "Auxiliary Aviation Training" ship, had no combat capability and was not counted as part of the official aircraft carrier force structure.

[CIMOGT]

Walter,
Sounds great! I am not sure if you are able to configure the Air Wings beyond where you have gone alrady, but if you have the A-4's, you might consider leaving out the A-7's - they never were together in any of the Air Wings on Lex, Hancock, or Bonnie Dick - and never even routinely served aboard them, but they made one deployment on Tico (together with A-4's), and did serve on Oriskany (but not together with A-4's) - if you want to go to the difficulty of making separate configurations.
I think I would create Skins for CVW-5 (NF) and CVW-21 (NP) for Hancock (2 separate sets), CVW-19 (NM), CVW-21 (NP), and CVW-5 (NF) for Bonnie Dick (3 sets). Lexington really did not deploy with the aircraft configuration you have set up - she was redesignated a CVS (from CVA) in early '60s - and then went only on a single 1 month deployment. For her, if you possibly could, change the static aircraft set to only TA-4's and maybe T-2's if they could be found. I have seen statics of those (if I recall correctly) by Guy Diotte over at Simviation in the past.
Anyhow - lots of potential here and I know many are really looking forward to the culmination of your hard work!
Many thanks and cheers!
Deke

In this model the air wing in deck is in a separated 3d model this make more easy edit the component of the squadrons, now i retired the a-7 and added more A-4

[navy81]

Very nice!
Can more than a single A-4 squadron skin set be done for each Air Wing? With Oriskany, there is only a single mat set for each type aircraft. Not sure if you that will be the case since you had indicated that each aircraft will have its own MODEX/side number. I wouldnt hold up the process for that, but that would make it that much more realistic to the actual Air Wing/Ship combination.
Standing by for this great work of yours!

Deke

[CIMOGT]

Very nice!
Can more than a single A-4 squadron skin set be done for each Air Wing? With Oriskany, there is only a single mat set for each type aircraft. Not sure if you that will be the case since you had indicated that each aircraft will have its own MODEX/side number. I wouldnt hold up the process for that, but that would make it that much more realistic to the actual Air Wing/Ship combination.
Standing by for this great work of yours!

Deke

in this case I'm trying to have each model have its individual textures, so you can put each aircraft with an individual number and the scheme you want

[CIMOGT]

in this case I'm trying to have each model have its individual textures, so you can put each aircraft with an individual number and the scheme you want
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64418&stc=1

[SkippyBing]

Have you thought about using decals* to do that? I did it on the Victorious (http://flyingstations.com/victorious-66.html)and it saves on textures quite a bit.

*ie a transparent texture with the numbers on.

[CIMOGT]

Have you thought about using decals* to do that? I did it on the Victorious (http://flyingstations.com/victorious-66.html)and it saves on textures quite a bit.

*ie a transparent texture with the numbers on.

in the models of the aircraft carrier i´m already using it,

[Seahawk72s]

Wondering how this project is coming..?

[CIMOGT]

Wondering how this project is coming..?

Hi
At this moment i am working in the air wing, the selected schemes and the year in wich they were used, in the case of the Bon Homme Richard i used the WestPac Cruise Book of the 1969 with the Air Wing 5

VF-51
VF-53
VA-22
VA-94
VA-144
VAW-111
VAQ-130
HC-1



http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64812&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64813&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64814&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64815&stc=1

This took me more time than I had planned

[kl791]

Hi
At this moment i am working in the air wing, the selected schemes and the year in wich they were used, in the case of the Bon Homme Richard i used the WestPac Cruise Book of the 1969 with the Air Wing 5

VF-51
VF-53
VA-22
VA-94
VA-144
VAW-111
VAQ-130
HC-1



http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64812&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64813&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64814&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64815&stc=1

This took me more time than I had planned

Might have taken you itme, but it looks GREAT!

[docjohnson]

Outstanding work! Can't wait to see this.

[modelr]

Looking great! Count me in on the list. :wiggle:

[CIMOGT]

Now i´m working on the air wing for the USS Hancock (CV-19) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hancock_(CV-19))i select the CVW-21 (october 1964-29 may 1965)

VF-211
VA-212
VF-24
VA-215
VA-216
VAH-4
VAW-11
VFP-63

[expat]

Good choice!

[awstub]

That's fantastic....we'll soon have all the CVA's necessary to recreate Operation Flaming Dart.

[CIMOGT]

Still working in the air wing for the USS HANCOCK

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65329&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65330&stc=1

[CIMOGT]

The texture USS HANCOCK´s air wing is ended

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65608&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65609&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65610&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65611&stc=1

For the Lexinton, only the TA-4J remains pending

[gray eagle]

Yup, just like I remembered it long ago when I was there. Looking good .:encouragement:

[PhantomP]

Looks great CIMOGT,nice work so far.

[CIMOGT]

Looks great CIMOGT,nice work so far.

thanks, this models has taken me much longer than others due to the amount of airwing aircraft since they have differents

[CIMOGT]

The air wing for the USS LEXINGTON are complete

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65961&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65962&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65963&stc=1

[simulloyd]

I just picked up the Essex Class carriers!

[TARPSBird]

I just picked up the Essex Class carriers!
Where does CIMOGT upload his ships?

[speedy70]

They are now payware at 30 euros a throw at Simmarket.

Cheers Chris

[TARPSBird]

Thanks, Chris. :encouragement:

[expat]

Not clear if it is a set of Essex carriers (e.g. Hancock) or just the Bonnie Dick?

[TARPSBird]

Not clear if it is a set of Essex carriers (e.g. Hancock) or just the Bonnie Dick?
According to the Simmarket description the package includes Bonnie Dick, Hancock, and Lexington.
https://secure.simmarket.com/cimogt-essex-class-aircraft-carrier-fsx-p3d.phtml

[CIMOGT]

Hello everyone, my apologies, I have not been able to connect here these days, the model is finished, includes the 3 aircraft carriers exposed in the post, in addition to the link to download the air wing for each model, available in

https://secure.simmarket.com/cimogt-essex-class-aircraft-carrier-fsx-p3d.phtml


thank you all for your comments and information shared in this post

CIMOGT

[navy81]

Walter, very nice!

One item i am finding a problem with. At night, the F-8 changes to a "glowing" version, using VF-84 livery.
This is for Hancock and Bonnie Dick (havent yet checked Lex).
I noted that there is a "F8_CRUS_NIGHTS DDS" file in the texture file, that seems to make every Crusader a ghostly Jolly Roger at night.
Is there a reasoning for that? Seems quite odd.

Otherwise, your efforts are quite awesome!
Thanks.
Deke

[navy81]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66059&stc=1Day
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66060&stc=1Night

[Mike71]

Walter, very nice!

One item i am finding a problem with. At night, the F-8 changes to a "glowing" version, using VF-84 livery.
This is for Hancock and Bonnie Dick (havent yet checked Lex).
I noted that there is a "F8_CRUS_NIGHTS DDS" file in the texture file, that seems to make every Crusader a ghostly Jolly Roger at night.
Is there a reasoning for that? Seems quite odd.

Otherwise, your efforts are quite awesome!
Thanks.
Deke
Flight Deck lighting via the "sox lights" array on Carriers typically did light up airplanes quite distinctly if they were in the lights footprint. However, they did cast only a slight amount of return when planes were far up on the bow, etc.

[CIMOGT]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66059&stc=1Day
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66060&stc=1Night




Thanks for the comment i send you a pm

[gray eagle]

Installed air wing for Essex carriers but are not visible on any carriers. I used the installer and pointed it to the root of P3D V3.3
All the carriers show in carrier AI but no aircraft. I also cannot find this panel mentioned in the read me:


I didn't find any panel folders for any of the carriers so I am confused as to where this panel is located.
The air wing aircraft do not show on any carriers, yes, I did use the installer - P3D V3.4

Thanks

Edit: how are the panels activated? What key/keys are used?

Are the elevators/hangers accessible in P3D V3?

[CIMOGT]

Installed air wing for Essex carriers but are not visible on any carriers. I used the installer and pointed it to the root of P3D V3.3
All the carriers show in carrier AI but no aircraft. I also cannot find this panel mentioned in the read me:


I didn't find any panel folders for any of the carriers so I am confused as to where this panel is located.
The air wing aircraft do not show on any carriers, yes, I did use the installer - P3D V3.4

Thanks

Edit: how are the panels activated? What key/keys are used?

Are the elevators/hangers accessible in P3D V3?




in this occasion I used two independent 3d models one for the aircraft carrier and another for the air wing to reduce the size of the aircraft carrier mdl, you must install the air wing with the installer for the chosen simulator, the gauge is already installed in the directory gauges, you just have to add it in the panel.cfg of the plane chosen,

[CIMOGT]

Installed air wing for Essex carriers but are not visible on any carriers. I used the installer and pointed it to the root of P3D V3.3
All the carriers show in carrier AI but no aircraft. I also cannot find this panel mentioned in the read me:


I didn't find any panel folders for any of the carriers so I am confused as to where this panel is located.
The air wing aircraft do not show on any carriers, yes, I did use the installer - P3D V3.4

Thanks

Edit: how are the panels activated? What key/keys are used?

Are the elevators/hangers accessible in P3D V3?

after run the 2 installers you will have this in the BOAT directory of the sim

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66132&stc=1

the hangar deck is only accesible in P3D v3 to v4, you can see the difference in the panel

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66133&stc=1

[gray eagle]

in this occasion I used two independent 3d models one for the aircraft carrier and another for the air wing to reduce the size of the aircraft carrier mdl, you must install the air wing with the installer for the chosen simulator, the gauge is already installed in the directory gauges, you just have to add it in the panel.cfg of the plane chosen,

As you can see there isn't a panel folder for the installed air wing.
So, do I create a panel folder for both airwing and airwing hancock?
If so what files do I put in them?
I would like to know how the carrier panels are activated - Keys used?

https://i.postimg.cc/wMmrQ4gf/Capture.jpg

[gray eagle]

after run the 2 installers you will have this in the BOAT directory of the sim

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66132&stc=1

the hangar deck is only accesible in P3D v3 to v4, you can see the difference in the panel

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66133&stc=1

I understand all of that and I have those directories in my P3D V3 - ^ How do I turn these panels on?

[CIMOGT]

I understand all of that and I have those directories in my P3D V3 - ^ How do I turn these panels on?



the panel to modify is the panel of the aircraft or helicopter that you want to use in the aircraft carrier, it must be in the aircraft folder, not in the models of the air wing, you need to add the entry in the panel.cfg to use the gauge

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66134&stc=1

[gray eagle]

the panel to modify is the panel of the aircraft or helicopter that you want to use in the aircraft carrier, it must be in the aircraft folder, not in the models of the air wing, you need to add the entry in the panel.cfg to use the gauge

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66134&stc=1

Okay, I understand that part. Now, I cannot see any of the planes on any of the carriers. I used the installer for the air wing planes and installed to P3D V3.4
The airwing files are in the Boats directory however, they don't show up on any of the carriers when selected.

[gray eagle]

Okay, I installed the panel file into one of my helos and landed on the CVA 31 - the panel comes to view and when chose one of the deck config, no aircraft are on the flight deck, yet
I did install the airwing files and they are in the P3D V3 boats directory.


EDIT: what ever flight deck config I choose from the panel, launch/recovery there are no aircraft visible both Hancock and Bonnie Dick.

I tried both FSX and P3D versions and no joy.

[gray eagle]

Issue resolved. The helo I chose for the carrier panel had a carrier panel from the Kitty Hawk therefore it was confused.
I chose another helo and the carrier panel config works just fine.

[delta_lima]

Hi - been so busy I still didn’t get this.

Does it / can it work with RFN Tacan and the other RFN gauges tied to the boat versus those tied to the aircraft?

Thanks.

DL

[CIMOGT]

Hi - been so busy I still didn’t get this.

Does it / can it work with RFN Tacan and the other RFN gauges tied to the boat versus those tied to the aircraft?

Thanks.

DL

yes, there should not be problems with compatibility

[delta_lima]

yes, there should not be problems with compatibility

OK, but doesn't the boat have to have a pre-programmed TACAN frequency "baked in" when created, such that later, when the RFN gauge is put in a given plane, it can be tuned to that particular boat's TACAN frequency?

I'm not sure how it could be added on retroactively. I admit, I'm no expert on the RFN gauges ...

[expat]

DL,

The RFN gauge has text document RFN.cfg I think. In that you can enter any AI boat you like and assign a TACAN or radio frequency to it.

Cheers.

[FlyingsCool]

If you're looking for cruise books and photos, this is an excellent resource Unofficial Navy Site (https://www.navysite.de/index.htm)

Edit: I missed that @Expat had previously mentioned this site, but I'll leave it anyway...

[kl791]

If you're looking for cruise books and photos, this is an excellent resource Unofficial Navy Site (https://www.navysite.de/index.htm)

Thanks - a very interesting link :D
Henrik

[xpelekis]

In simMarket's product page, states :

The static air wing for the 3 models can be downloaded free

Anyone knows the link for the air wings that can be downloaded for free ?
Thank's.

[Josh Patterson]

If you put a "Whale" in the Hangar Deck, don't forget to fold the tail or it won't fit! (Gotta check my model to se if the tail does fold - I forget --) If you have Virtavia's, yes it does!

[delta_lima]

Can someone who bought this confirm whether or not the static F-8 Crusader’s nosegear has what appears to A-7 twin wheels and a launch bar. I mean, really?

:banghead:

[Josh Patterson]

If you have Virtavia's, yes it does! My bad. It does not fold. The A-5 Vigilante's fin does as does Dino's S-3. Although I don't think either served on the BHR. (The Viking never did as its first flight was after Bonnie's last decomissioning.)

[Mike71]

My bad. It does not fold. The A-5 Vigilante's fin does as does Dino's S-3. Although I don't think either served on the BHR. (The Viking never did as its first flight was after Bonnie's last decomissioning.)
Viggies never deployed on 27C's. Records I have show they deployed on CV-59 and later class carriers (10 squadrons total).

The arresting gear and catapult capability on ESSEX class CVAs was likely the limiting factor. Although the nearly as heavy A-3 could operate on 27C's, the A-3 launch and recovery speeds were more benign, and its fuselage structure more robust. A hard landing in an RA-5C could cause serious damage to the underside fuselage in the area around the main landing gear. The 27C's had a 4 deg glideslope and 10 ft hook to ramp clearance - a lot to ask of an RA-5C pilot to handle.