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dhasdell

February 22nd, 2018, 03:38

https://www.justflight.com/product/dunkirk-spitfire

alehead

February 22nd, 2018, 03:59

Good to see...

The preview video on the JustFlight site has a bit of an anomaly though... the gear down indicators on the wings (the red pins visible on the upper surface of the wings) are visible although the gear is up...

I wonder how she compares in flight and handling in general to the A2A Spitfire I/II A/B series that is to be updated for P3D V4 soon...

A

IanP

February 22nd, 2018, 04:09

I'll almost certainly have to get this one, so I'll do some comparison flying once I do. Plenty of paint schemes for airfields that have already been WW2-ified in there, though, either by me or someone else. :)

It's a pity that Croydon is so difficult to recreate in period in the sim. I have a phenomenally basic versions and I think someone else has made a civilian pre-war version for FSX, somewhere, but all those unique hangars make it very difficult to do well. :(

Ian P.

bazzar

February 22nd, 2018, 12:10

Roger

February 22nd, 2018, 12:27

I've got to get this!:applause: Wonder if it glides as well as the Spit in the film Dunkirk does?:engel016:

IanP

February 22nd, 2018, 13:05

I've got it, only done one flight so far, but it's really nice to fly. To me, compared to the A2A aircraft, it appears a little higher performance: I can climb a lot more efficiently with this one than I can with the A2A Mk.Ia. It also seems a little faster in roll and pitch, but obviously, I can't fly both side-by-side (I don't have FSRecorder, sorry. ;) ) so that's hard to quantify. I'm also not quite so sure about the "zero boost" throttle setting, it seems a long way back towards idle, but they're all very subjective comments. The wobbly panel bits are a nice touch, the hand pump for the hydraulics is appropriately awkward to have to use - because of the position of the mouse and my joystick, I have to realistically swap hands and then use the mouse to pump the handle, while trying to maintain a climb out.

Modelling is nice, it "looks right" and there's plenty of detail. Texturing is nice. Weathering isn't overdone.

To me, who has never flown a real Spitfire but has flown a lot of pretend ones, I really like it. It's not on a par systems wise with Accu-Sim - nor does it pretend to be - but it's a really immersive aircraft and excellent fun to fly. It's also a lot cheaper than the Accu-Sim kite. :D

Personally, I'm more than happy with the purchase.

Ian P.

dmaloof

February 22nd, 2018, 13:10

got it and a beauty

Pips

February 22nd, 2018, 13:14

Stunning photo's on the JF site. Going to have to buy this, just can't pass up a Spitfire.

Easily the most beautiful aircraft design of the '30s and '40's IMHO.

Roger

February 22nd, 2018, 13:48

Screenshots in FsXA Dx10:

https://images2.imgbox.com/2e/3d/BqVlQz9q_o.jpg (http://imgbox.com/BqVlQz9q)

https://images2.imgbox.com/e3/29/BsaoKw9a_o.jpg (http://imgbox.com/BsaoKw9a)

https://images2.imgbox.com/3f/cb/PHGL7boM_o.jpg (http://imgbox.com/PHGL7boM)

https://images2.imgbox.com/1f/3d/y05kSUGT_o.jpg (http://imgbox.com/y05kSUGT)

bazzar

February 22nd, 2018, 14:18

Nice shots Rog. Tried "the glide" yet? Good luck on that one!. I tried it when testing and it was OK from about 5,000ft. but if I tried any aerobatics (pretending there might have been a Stuka around) I was in the drink PTQ. Keep your gear up and try a belly landing- it's fun. Also, try pumping that gear down on the approach along a beach... the movie version had both gear pump handle and hydro box controls!:engel016:

binarkansas

February 22nd, 2018, 14:20

Could someone post a screen shot from the VC using the view forward when you are flying straight and level?

Thanks you.

bazzar

February 22nd, 2018, 14:34

Here we go.:engel016:

binarkansas

February 22nd, 2018, 19:36

Here we go.:engel016:

Thanks, that's exactly the shot I wanted to see.

Barry

IanP

February 23rd, 2018, 00:53

I nearly parked unintentionally in a field, while trying a loop over West Malling, Baz? I did miss the trees on the other side - just. :D

The only problem I'm having at the moment, with the BoB Spitfires, the Dunkirk Spitfires and the Mk.V Spitfires installed, is telling which "Vickers Supermarine Spitfire" came from which pack!

Ian P.

bazzar

February 23rd, 2018, 01:10

With that lot installed Ian, you're going to have to rename a few. I have to admit, we've done a few of these lovely machines over the years.:engel016:

IanP

February 23rd, 2018, 01:36

If a WW2 European Theatre of Operations aircraft is released, I do tend to try and buy them. Unfortunately, like most people, I can't afford them all. This is why I tend to bug you so much about what liveries will be in packs, so I can try and ensure that I've made or updated somewhere for them to fly out of when they are released. Unfortunately, as you may have noticed from the projects I didn't do enough on for you a while ago, my messed up anatomy means that there's little point my trying to be an effective beta tester at present, so hence I don't even ask any more and just buy what I can afford after release. That still means I have a more than considerable number of WW2 aircraft installed... A lot of them saying "Aeroplane Heaven" in the developer box.

I have no idea whether anyone ever actually uses my sceneries, but the site seems to get a fairly steady string of visitors and downloads, so hopefully my attempts to match aircraft with bases are appreciated by some people and they don't download them, decide they're junk and delete them again! :p87: :adoration:

...which reminds me. Expect an e-mail shortly asking what liveries will be in the P-47 pack. :engel016:

Cheers,

Ian P.

bazzar

February 23rd, 2018, 01:47

Sure thing Ian. Also, I am a great fan of your work - always have been.

IanP

February 23rd, 2018, 02:05

Thankfully, this chap won't have far to go to escape the enemy approach... Except maybe the Station Warrant and his CO. :D

(It's pretty much slap bang in the middle of RAF Drem...)

Ian P.

edakridge

February 23rd, 2018, 03:41

Ian, your airbases are definitely NOT "Junk"! As you and I discussed quite a while back, I have converted many of your models into "Destroyable" objects for FSX@War. Unfortunately my North Africa Pack for FSX@War is taking me much longer than I ever anticipated. I still use many of your sceneries for my retro flying.

dhasdell

February 23rd, 2018, 05:26

Ian, I think your pilot, fresh from Gauntlets, simply forgot to lower his undercarriage. He won't have been the only one.

wombat666

February 23rd, 2018, 07:32

'Summer Scramble'.
OK.......it is P3D4.1 but the object of the exercise is to show off my new favourite aeroplane.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1374x744q90/r/924/ywPAxy.jpg

:triumphant:

alehead

February 23rd, 2018, 10:28

The promo video was made before the development was complete. The undercarriage electrical indicators do work as they should - extinguish when the gear is in transit and light when the gear is locked.:engel016:

That is not what I meant. I mean the red pins visible on the upper wing surfaces. They need to disappear into the wing when the undercarriage comes up. I see from one of the screenshots that the pins are now down in flight ...

A

Andrew Entwistle

bazzar

February 23rd, 2018, 12:34

It is the same reason. As I said, the video was produced before the production was complete. If you really want the reason (although do you hear anybody talking about why the landing gear pins stay up?) is that the gear process in the pump operated gear is special code. The video recording process used by the guy that did the video does not appear to record this correctly. So a "g" key arrangement was provided to allow him to raise and lower the gear for certain shots. I hope that explains it for you.:engel016:

Fireball6

February 23rd, 2018, 14:02

Hi Bazzar, just want to let you know that i have the "problem" with the red pins - as you can see on the attached pics, on the models with mirror mounted, the pin is showing when gear is up and on the models without the mirror they are not showing while gear is down.

I re-installed it twice and checked it a few times - with the same result. It seems that this happend only to the MK1A-Model.

Kind regards and many thanks for this fine Spit

Dirk

bazzar

February 23rd, 2018, 14:42

Bradburger

February 23rd, 2018, 17:22

Well, I picked up the new AH Spit last night, and using just over 8 quids worth of JF points that I had left, I got it for about half price!

In terms of the 3d Modelling, this is by far the best Spitfire AH have ever done, with some lovely textures, and as some very nice features also.

Good work chaps!

However, I have noticed a few 'squawks' as regards the 3d model.

1. The detail on the aileron textures depict the later metal skinned type, and not the fabric covered ones, as would have been fitted to the aircraft modeled, and all Spitfires up until early/mid 1941 when the metal ones where introduced.

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Plir9vYJY3P3xFH2)

2. The flare chute on the starboard rear fuselage is incorrectly depicted. This wasn't introduced until later marks. (The MK.I/II had a downward firing one fitted behind the pilot, aft of frame 11).

3. There are some problems/anomalies with the textures on the elevator horn balance, in that some metal texturing is represented on it that should actually be fabric, as per the elevator. There also appears to be some evidence of the incorrect extended horn balance textures still present on some textures as well.

4. The cockpit air vent opens the wrong way. That is to say that the outside vent flap should open facing the oncoming slipstream to let fresh air in, and not towards the tail as it does at the moment.

5. There is an extra metal patch at the rear of the cockpit rail on both sides of the fuselage that shouldn't be there.

6. The hydraulic tank (https://photos.app.goo.gl/QkY0c40fLnZXZggW2) (as fitted to the earlier hand pump undercarriage models) which was fitted behind the pilot, aft of frame 11, is not modelled - see this thread when I mentioned and discussed it with you : -

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/107943-Dunkirk-Spitfire-WIP-update

7. Is there any chance of removing the prop pitch engine off animation? The pitch of the blades would of course only move once the engine had started, and oil pressure was established.

Here's a link to some screenshots I took in MDL converter showing these issues for your reference: -

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1FN8hPdBnIvHUia73

And for reference/comparison to the above issues, below are some pictures from David Whitworth's Flickr album of N3200 at Duxford: -

Elevators 1 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwhitworth/13605359445/in/album-72157642955945255/

Stb Elevator - https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwhitworth/13625689733/in/album-72157642955945255/

Air Vent Open - https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwhitworth/14672747597/in/album-72157642955945255/

Port Fuselage Cockpit Section w/canopy rail - https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwhitworth/13876168785/in/album-72157642955945255/

Stb Fuselage Cockpit Section w/canopy rail - https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwhitworth/13625655063/in/album-72157642955945255/

Cheers

Paul

bazzar

February 23rd, 2018, 17:50

In response to your comment re the tank Paul, please see the attached. I will look at some of your other comments but would really prefer it if you emailed me instead of turning this into a support forum.

Bradburger

February 23rd, 2018, 18:16

Apologies Baz.

Yes, it would be better to use the official support channels, but I get so used to you and other developers being on here, it seems natural!

(I'll send the above via JF support).

To clarify, the hydraulic tank is actually the silver 'box' with the filler cap that is mounted approximately halfway on the starboard side of the fuselage behind the pilot's seat frame, as in the picture I took of it on P9374 that you show, part of a batch I linked in your announcement thread.

The black circular item is actually a different type of voltage regulator that was fitted to the pilot's seat frame behind the headrest on the early Spitfire MK.Is, as per P9374 & N3200, X4650 etc (i.e. all MK.Is produced up until the end of 1940).

(Reading again one of your replies in the thread that I mentioned the early hydraulic tank in, I now see were the confusion with the voltage regulator came from!)

Here is an example of one of the early voltage regulators, posted several years ago by someone involved with one of the MK.I restorations: -

https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?103220-Spitfire-early-voltage-regulator-12V-5C-984

Cheers

Paul

bazzar

February 23rd, 2018, 18:47

As usual we will be releasing updates for these models and I will incorporate what I can. The "tank" issue is a classic example of confusing components. You will find a voltage regulator mounted low down behind the pilot seat. I've obviously got that mixed up. I will remove it and add the silver box tank to the SP build. Thanks Paul.:engel016:

heywooood

February 23rd, 2018, 19:24

models of the most pivotal Warbirds draw such intense scrutiny and criticism from the community, and probably no other more than the MkI Spitfire - It's a wonder they are taken on as projects at all.
I'm not saying the fans of these planes of fame should do any less - a job worth doing is worth doing well..and a paying customer has the right to expect quality commensurate with the price tag.

But I am saying that it takes courage for a developer to take them on at all, knowing that they can expect reams of lets call it encouragement to get it 'right'

Also that it keeps happening despite every plea from every developer to use the proper method of reporting that those laundry lists of encouragements end up here..lol

Thank you to Aeroplane Heaven for taking them on - The little Spit is very welcome here in my hangar and I know you will support it (bearing in mind it did not cost me $60 to purchase it)

stovall

February 23rd, 2018, 19:58

Love the AH Dunkirk Spitfire!!!

http://www.myshasta.info/stovall/images/Spitfire/Spitfire_VS_BF109E2.jpg (http://www.myshasta.info/stovall/images/Spitfire/Spitfire_VS_BF109E2.jpg)

Bradburger

February 23rd, 2018, 20:40

Bazzar,

Looking back at that thread I should have course picked up on the confusion!

(I failed to mention it was silver and box shaped).

heywood is right in that these classics do indeed draw a level of attention quite possibly not seen with other types.

And it's interesting that it mirrors to an extent what today's owners and restorers of these classics are doing! (That is, trying everything down to minutest of details as correct and accurate as possible).

As a side note, all four of the MK.I Spitfires that have been rebuilt or ground up restored over the past few years, have had no expense spared by the restorers and owners trying to get things exactly right for the time period that their example was built/in service. Many of the Spitfire specialist companies that restore or were involved in them found that doing both P9374 & N3200 was something of challenge, purely because there wasn't so much in the way of documentation or other complete examples to study and were heavily into reverse engineering and building a lot more things from scratch compared to later marks of Spitfire.

For them, it was something of a learning curve!

So my hats off to Aeroplane Heaven for having a crack at the early MK.Is.

They have done a wonderful job so far, and correcting some of the smaller details will make it even better!

Cheers

Paul

bazzar

February 23rd, 2018, 21:58

Thankyou Paul, you can rest assured that we are as passionate about this beautiful aeroplane as any and we have every intention of making it the very best representation that we can. Stand by for more as we too learn and update.:engel016:

Fireball6

February 24th, 2018, 03:46

Fireball6

February 24th, 2018, 03:49

What i forget to mention is that i like the way she handles and fly - great work :applause:

All the Best

Dirk

WarHorse47

February 24th, 2018, 13:56

Hi Dirk and thankyou for the HU. I think I know what this is now. Can you tell me if it is there if you use the VC lever or just when using the "G" key?
I believe we can get better integration between the gear code and keystrokes so will be issuing a new model in a small SP soon. I also have a better sound for the gear pump. More anon.I can confirm Dirk's observation. I just flew the 1A model. After takeoff and using the VC lever, the red pins still show after the gear is retracted. The pins are not visible from the VC, but from all external views only.

Only other thing I noted is that the atc_id for the early model doesn't match the aircraft (from atc_id=6777 to atc_id=X9787). Not sure if that was intentional.

And, last but not least, I noticed that the text for the cover on the starter button for the 1A was inverted.

Thanks for the great aircraft. :encouragement:

bazzar

February 24th, 2018, 20:40

A question for Paul (Bradburger) for a change.

If N3200 is an early (1939) Mk1 with pump gear, why does the restored version apparently sport a later Mk1A "round" bubble canopy? :engel016:

Fireball6

March 7th, 2018, 11:54

Any news about the update ?

bazzar

March 7th, 2018, 13:04

Any update on any of our products has to go through the test process. The Spitfire is no exception and is in the beta test programme right now.:engel016:

eddie

March 7th, 2018, 14:54

Going to purchase it after the update bazzar, can't wait!! I'm busy collecting the classic British airliners and can't wait for the Caravelle, what I have seen of it, looks amazing so far!

Fireball6

March 7th, 2018, 23:10

Thanks for the information

Kind regards

Dirk

ferondoe

March 8th, 2018, 00:07

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58798&stc=1
I made the texture for the Douglas Bader Spit if anyone is interested I will uploaded it.
https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/11/50/01/05/screen35.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/11500105/2709)

https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/11/50/01/05/screen36.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/11500105/2710)

https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/11/50/01/05/screen37.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/11500105/2711)

https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/11/50/01/05/screen38.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/11500105/2712)
Marty

AussieMan

March 8th, 2018, 02:16

Upload please.

Fireball6

March 8th, 2018, 02:45

Yes, please upload it :applause:

Dirk

hairyspin

March 8th, 2018, 03:48

Aha, Dogsbody! Very nice. Although I think DB was on a Mk.II, not the Mks. I and Ia, so the prop spinner would be different. I couldn’t swear to it, but think it was ‘41 before Bader got clearance to put that code up.

huub vink

March 8th, 2018, 04:47

The Spitfire W3185 was actually a Spitfire Mk.Va, according to the packing of my ancient FROG modelkit (And how is that for an historic source?)

Bader preferred the version with just machine guns as his legs (well the remains of them) were very sensitive to the shocks the cannons created.

But its a nice repaint, so please upload. I not the purist people often think I am. And in the past I did build the FROG model as Mk.Ia and also as Mk.Va, as they were quite alike in my opinion.

Cheers,
Huub

WarHorse47

March 8th, 2018, 05:26

Yes, please upload. Looks great. :encouragement:

hairyspin

March 8th, 2018, 09:07

The Spitfire W3185 was actually a Spitfire Mk.Va, according to the packing of my ancient FROG modelkit (And how is that for an historic source)...

W3185 is the Spit Va Bader was shot down in, bravo FROG!

bazzar

March 9th, 2018, 12:43

huub vink

March 9th, 2018, 13:05

Bader flew a Hurricane in his earlier days with 242, with the famous "booting Hitler" nose art and code LE-D. His first Spitfire was a Mk11B with the cannon wings and his initials as codes. Nice repaint though.:engel016:

Yep and before the Hurricane........ well I guess we all know how that ended.

https://i.imgur.com/WX4oCT6.jpg

Any plans to create a new version of this one Bazz?

Cheers,
Huub

bazzar

March 10th, 2018, 13:12

Plans certainly Huub, timing unsure.:engel016:

huub vink

March 10th, 2018, 14:52

Plans certainly Huub, timing unsure.:engel016:

Well, that is already more than I dared to hope for :encouragement:. And don't worry I will be patient :engel016:

Cheers,
Huub

Mick

March 17th, 2018, 13:10

I've got to get this!:applause: Wonder if it glides as well as the Spit in the film Dunkirk does?:engel016:

There are gliders that don't glide as well as the Spitfire in Dunkirk! :biggrin-new:

heywooood

March 17th, 2018, 19:09

There are gliders that don't glide as well as the Spitfire in Dunkirk! :biggrin-new:

..that was quite a ratio lol

Fireball6

March 20th, 2018, 13:40

SP1 is out - realy good job from AH :applause: Thanks to Bazz and the Team from AH - love the Spit !!!

All the Best

Dirk

Roger

April 17th, 2018, 14:11

Just applied Dunkirk Spitfire v103 and have 9 "multiple objects with the same title names, JF_Supermarine Spitfire 19 squadron sim objects\Airplanes\JF_SpitfireMk1".

Any ideas?

AussieMan

April 17th, 2018, 14:55

Did you uninstall the previous version via the Control Panel?

I did it that way and have no problems.

Roger

April 17th, 2018, 14:57

No Pat, but I will try that next.

Cheers,

Roger.

WarHorse47

April 17th, 2018, 15:18

Roger,

Version 1.03 changes the names of the aircraft folder to JFD_SpitfireMk1, etc. in order to avoid conflict with the JF BoB Spitfire product as I recall from reading the specs on the JF Support page. If you didn't properly uninstall the prior versions you will have multiple copies of each texture version.

Panther_99FS

April 17th, 2018, 15:28

bazzar

April 17th, 2018, 21:10

G'day mate, miss you around here. Keeping well?:engel016: