Ships from German Navy - Bundesmaine

[klnowak]

The last couple of month i start to build up some ships of the German Navy since World War II. Some very nice model are on the I-Net till now and also Simdocks told about 1 1/2 year ago to start with new models.... but.... just could not wait for such a long time. So i tried to build up some models with SketchUp.
All thees models are not all my work. Mostly i change some existing models. Some of these models just get the hull of the origninal. (Did learn many new things during this process)

You just will get a first look. Some models are ready and i got all needed permission to put them out.... for some models i`m awaiting this permission shortly. Some models just started up the work on.

First to come out this weekend will be submarine class 206 and class 212 and the landing ship class 520 "Barbe". Build up 10 different models in this class.
Also the frigate class F122 "Bremen" is nearly ready and i started up testing her in FSX.

First shots of these models

Submarine Class 206

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Bundesmarine1f.jpg

Submarine Class 212

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Bundesmarine1k.jpg

Landingships Class 520 "Barbe"

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1a.jpg

[klnowak]

Landingship Class 520 "Barbe"

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1c.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1o.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1p.jpg

[klnowak]

And first shots from test run of frigate F122 Bremen class

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1g.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1i.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1k.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Barbe1m.jpg

[klnowak]

Frigate Class F122 ...in Background first try of Frigate F124 "Sachsen Class"

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Bundesmarine1j.jpg

Tender Röhn (Fleetoiler) (awaiting some part permission)

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Bundesmarine1i.jpg

And last one for now Tender Class 404 "Elbe"

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Bundesmarine1g.jpg

Hope to get all these ships ready before new year ....

Greetings
Klaus

[lazarus]

Great work, Klaus!

[CIMOGT]

good job with the ships

[klnowak]

Will also add some static models (.bgl) to place them in a scenery if you want.

Will look like this one. Two class 212 with crew on deck side by side.

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/sidebyside1.jpg

Greetings
Klaus

[JensOle]

Great stuff! You can soon put a Norwegian flag on the 212 as well :-)

[klnowak]

Upload the file with the ships to the libery in here. Think they will be there in a short time.

Greetings
Klaus

[seawing]

Cool! Finally more FGSs!! And a 122!! The bridge and bridge wings look slightly different from the original, but I am not sure, if you could change that. Anyway, if I can help you out with yard plans of the original, let me know!

Best regards,

Seawing

[klnowak]

First shots of the Sachen Class 124 frigate from german navy. Did them all new. Some things to do, (not to much) but it`s just a first look to them in FSX.

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124e.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124c.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124a.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124b.jpg

[klnowak]

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124f.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124d.jpg

Will not take to long to get them ready.

Greetings
Klaus

[kl791]

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124f.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124d.jpg

Will not take to long to get them ready.

Greetings
Klaus

Very nice Klaus :D Slowly the ships are taking over in the flightsim... I will soon release another bunch also :D Regards and Merry Christmas
Henrik

[klnowak]

Last shots before uploading ... Bremen Class 122 and Sachsen Class 124 frigate

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124m.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124k.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124l.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse124i.jpg

Merry christmas to all of you
Klaus

[klnowak]

Upload is just on the way.

Next to come is the Frigate Baden-Württemberg Class 125 and the fleet oilers 8but this will take a little time.

Greetings
Klaus

[klnowak]

Next one - the Baden-Württemberg-Class125 frigate.

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse125a.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse125b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse125c.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse125d.jpg

[klnowak]

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Klasse125e.jpg


Upload will come today.

Greetings
Klaus

[kl791]

Hi Klaus
Thanks for a great Christmas gift. Nice to see the full German navy coming up. But I have one suggestion - the models are extremely heavy for AI use - both texture sizes, draw calls and vertices. Even my ModelConverterX took time to open the models... It is a typical feature of Sketchup models imported from the web. You might gain a lot from combining some textures and also reduce the crew - the last ones are beautifully crafted but too detailed unless you are taking a walk around the ship or have a coffee with them.

To illustrate the point check the mdl sizes, draw calls, and vertices on these models:


http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/12/28//17122812123416112915427402.jpg

First up you frigate: mdl size 23.5 MB + 19 MB in texture with 140 drawcalls and more than 600.000 vertices

http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/12/28//17122812123416112915427401.jpg

Then a somewhat similar model from my next package - mdl size 2.1 MB and textures 16 MB but just 3 drawcalls and 10% of the vertices.

And with helicopter...

http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/12/28//17122812123316112915427399.jpg

the effect from the less people on the deck are obvious when looking at your model with a helicopter added but less people... the drawcalls and vertices though still high drops... conclusion the helicopter is better optimized than the people.



http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/12/28//17122812123316112915427400.jpg

while in my case the French built helicopter borrowed from a friend adds tremendously to the drawcalls (before optimizing) but not much to vertices. So what I will do is to remap some of the parts of the helicopter on to the main texture sheet, which still have some unused spots. This will reduce drawcalls significantly.

[klnowak]

Thanks for the tips. Will have alook and see what i can do. That`s the big difference. Your the profi... i`m just amateur :dizzy:
But step by step it will get a litle bit better.

Greetings
Klaus

[kl791]

Thanks for the tips. Will have alook and see what i can do. That`s the big difference. Your the profi... i`m just amateur :dizzy:
But step by step it will get a litle bit better.

Greetings
Klaus

Don't underestimate yourself. I love the sceneries you have put together :D And I don't think it is too much which needs to be done to change the result significantly.

Taking an X-ray in ModelConverterX it is obvious that the crew are the heavy ones in terms of vertices - they even have facial expressions and the ornament on the belt modelled. This is of course great if you are really close but if you fly by at 300 ft or more you won't notice any of this.

http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/12/29//17122906401616112915429541.jpg

You might wan't to limit the use of such detailed figures to the guys on the helideck - there they will be appreciated. Next, if you keep them, it is actually easy to make a small texture with the colors used in their uniforms and remap -that will save you at least around 20-25 drawcalls from what I can count.

http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/12/29//17122906401516112915429540.jpg

Anyway - these are just subjective suggestions - some might disagree, but personally I see ships in the Flight simulator as a decorative element to give immersion and add options for "missions", but they must never impact the performance and the flying experience.

[klnowak]

Your absolutly right.... the crew is just an eyecatcher and not needed for ai traffic. Will take them away from the models. Perhaps i can use them in static models for harbor scenery.
Every notice you made is well needed on my side to learn a little bit more about making this models.

Thanks
Klaus

[lazarus]

Really nice modelling, Klaus! Keep at it, and the scenery packages are terrific. The fight to keep the model's from dragging FPS, that's a tough one. Getting enough detail to look 'busy', but keeping the performance from dumping...that's my sole gripe with MCX- it seems to do funny things to models, sometimes nearly doubling the size, and I don't know why.
I tend to keep my boats on the spare side, even for my tastes, in order to keep the size down and minimise performance hit. A lot can be done with textures to simulate complexity, but nothing beats the look of 'greeblies'. I tried adding a few crew figures from time to time, but the FPS hit was bad.
Railings, tubes, chains, propellers and rigging are pretty nightmarish, too.

[klnowak]

Part 3 of German Navy ships... Fregate Baden Württemberg class 125 and Corvette Braunschweig class 130.

The corvette is without crew to get more frame friendly also with small textures.

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Korvette1f.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Korvette1e.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Korvette1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Korvette1a.jpg

Will try to get all ships more framefriendly and than upload in near future as a hole package. This time upload is for this two ships.

Greetings
Klaus

[cortomalteseit]

Amazing work! How can I start to create by myself some (italian) ships from google sketchup? Do you have some tips?
Thanks, and happy new year!

[klnowak]

First picture of floating crane Hiev Class 711.

Information for this origninal crane you can find here : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiev-Klasse

Nearly ready in ModelConverterX

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Schwimmkran.jpg

And first testing in FSX

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Schwimm1a.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Schwimm1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Schwimm1c.jpg




Greetings
Klaus

[PhantomP]

Nice work,I have been on vacation,so,I don't have a way to download then until around the 10th of January,but,I do prefer crew scenery over none at all,I always feel like,I am landing on a ghost ship without them LOL,just my 2cents.

[klnowak]

Next part to come tomorrow....

Floating crain Hiev Class

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1f.jpg

Supplyship Elbe Class

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1a.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1f.jpglbe Class with Fleet Oiler Rhön Class in background

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1g.jpg

The Rhön Class Fleet Oiler

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1i.jpg

[klnowak]

And the biggest ship of German Bundesmarine today ... the Supply Ship Berlin Class called "Einsatzgruppenversorger"

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1c.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1k.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Berlin1d.jpg

Hope you will have fun with those models

Greetings
Klaus

[klnowak]

And next part : all the Bundesmarine Minehunter Fleet. Hohlstablenkboot Ensdorf Klasse 352, Minenjagdboot Frankenthal Klasse 332, Minenjagdboot Kulmbach Klasse 333, Minentauchereinsatzboot Frankenthal Klasse 332b, Mienensucher Seehund Klasse.

Hohlstablenkboot Ensdorf Klasse 352

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Mine1d.jpg



Minenjagdboot Frankenthal Klasse 332

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Mine1a.jpg





Different Typs all together

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Mine1e.jpg


System in duty : Minehunter with 3 drone (Seehund)

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Mine1i.jpg

Upload will come today

Greetings
Klaus

[klnowak]

Upload done.

Next to come first shots in FSX

German Navy tug Nordstrand Klasse 725A

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Schlepp1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Schlepp1c.jpg


And German Navy "Living Ship" Wohnschiff Knurrhahn

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Schlepp1d.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Schlepp1e.jpg

Some others will be inside this package then

Living Ship Ohre Class and the "Intelligence ships" from Oste Class"

Greetings
Klaus

[klnowak]

Next one is the "Intelligence Ship" from Oste Class. These ships are called "Flottendienstboot"

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Oste1a.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Oste1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Oste1c.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Oste1e.jpg

Greetings
Klaus

[klnowak]

German Navy "Living Ship" Wohnschiff Ohre Class

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Ohre1a.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Ohre1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Ohre1c.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Ohre1d.jpg

All these ships will come up tomorrow.


Greetings
Klaus

[klnowak]

One of the next to come.

Dock C - a pressure dock of the Bundesmarine. In duty by the navy since 1965 for the submarines of class 206 till 2016. Then it was sold.

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/druckdock.jpg



It will come in static variants for scenery building too.

Greeings
Klaus

[blanston12]

One of the next to come.

Dock C - a pressure dock of the Bundesmarine. In duty by the navy since 1965 for the submarines of class 206 till 2016. Then it was sold.

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/druckdock.jpg



It will come in static variants for scenery building too.

Greeings
Klaus

What is the purpose of a 'Pressure dock'?

[klnowak]

The purpose is to find little damages to the hull of a submarine and you can test max depth for submerge without loosing your sub and crew.

There is a nice statement for this on net...but it is in german... you have to translate this on. There are photos of the origninal inside.

https://ww2.dsm.museum/DSA/DSA25_2002_253268_Lehmann.pdf

Photo 15 and 16 ...

And the original.
http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/images/kn/schleswig-holstein/wirtschaft/1000.-u-boot-gewartet-millimeterarbeit-in-der-roehre/16865253-1-ger-DE/1000.-U-Boot-gewartet-Millimeterarbeit-in-der-Roehre_pdaArticleWide.jpg

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/images/kn/news/aktuelle-nachrichten-kiel/nachrichten-aus-kiel/marinearsenal-eine-kieler-aera-endet/327451704-1-ger-DE/Eine-Kieler-Aera-endet_ArtikelQuer.jpg



Greetings
Klaus

[PhantomP]

Cool stuff.:very_drunk::very_drunk: Cheers

[klnowak]

After doing most modern ships of the German Navy i started to do the first base of the "Bundesmarine". It is called "Eckernförde". Homebase of the german submarines, some suplyships and also base of the german Seals called "Kommando Spezial Kräfte Marine (KSK M). In former times they have been called "Kampfschwimmer"

First shots from ScetchUp

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Eckernfoerde Base1a.jpg


Greetings
Klaus

[klnowak]

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Eckernfoerde Base1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Eckernfoerde Base1c.jpg

[kl791]

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Eckernfoerde Base1b.jpg

http://www.caribican.de/Brasilien/Eckernfoerde Base1c.jpg

How is it going with this one? I suppose you will end up by putting the whole thing together including navy traffic?

Henrik