Wishing...

[Cees Donker]

... some developer would do a state of the art Bf 109e.

Sigh.....

Cees

[stovall]

I second that wish Cees, a Bf-109E would be fantastic. In fact the G and K models would do nicely.

[Taco]

Yep! I sure would like one.

[Cees Donker]

I second that wish Cees, a Bf-109E would be fantastic. In fact the G and K models would do nicely.

Tom,

There is already a great K model! Flight Replicas did one.

:wavey:

Cees

[Daube]

Indeed !

http://sapdaube.free.fr/p3d/daube_image0434.jpg

http://sapdaube.free.fr/p3d/daube_image0435.jpg

http://sapdaube.free.fr/p3d/daube_image0436.jpg

[stovall]

Tom,

There is already a great K model! Flight Replicas did one.

:wavey:

Cees

Yep, definitely own this beauty. I guess I was thinking about upgrading to P3D and especially P3D v4. I also love the P-40N from Flight Replica.

[grunau_baby]

The Emil is my favourite model and I still enjoy A2A´s version with FSX, but I´d also rather have something with a little more up to date touch. Maybe something like this (which is a blast, but a completely different story...)

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55709&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55710&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55711&stc=1

But an even bigger wish for me would be a 109B (Berta). I always felt the later versions looked completely overdeveloped like on steroids:-)

Regards
Alex

[dvj]

No more Nazi aircraft. We need a good B-24. :a1089:

[blanston12]

I have the JustFlight "Battle of Britain - Me 109" and quite like it.

[Cees Donker]

I have the JustFlight "Battle of Britain - Me 109" and quite like it.
That's the last one developed for FSX, and it is from 2010, seven years old.

Cees

[Bjoern]

Early Bf-109s?! Real Messerschmitts have CURVES!


(And covers, but you get my point.)

https://i.imgur.com/uHugehH.jpg


Curvy Messerschmitts also have friends!

https://i.imgur.com/Rg3VvJ3.jpg


:engel016:

[Fishbed]

or Buchon will be great....and two seat Spitfire as well

[Cees Donker]

Early Bf-109s?! Real Messerschmitts have CURVES!


(And covers, but you get my point.)

https://i.imgur.com/uHugehH.jpg


Curvy Messerschmitts also have friends!

https://i.imgur.com/Rg3VvJ3.jpg


:engel016:

Where is this Bjoern?

Cees

[hairyspin]

or Buchon will be great...

No, a Buchon is an ugly hybrid. Like these motorbikes with a Chevy V8 bolted on, ugh. I’ve seen Buchons display and a Gustav at the same time: it was like a greyhound among pigs.

[grunau_baby]

Even though I have a weak spot for the buchon (grew up with this "battle of britain" movie), the upright Merlin just wasn´t made for the wonderful outlines of the BF109. In this ccase I do still prefer the F series. No bulges, just plain elegant lines.

Alex

[Bradburger]

Another vote for a Buchon.

(Yes please Mike/FR!)

I've never understood the dislike, disgust, and general distaste shown by many for it. :running:

After all, it's only a 109G-2 airframe, built under licence to the requirements of the Spanish AF, and which happened to have been fitted with a different engine! :cool:

And great performance as well, with a reported 5,580 ft/min initial rate of climb at +18lbs boost, plus a top speed of around 420 mph at around 14000 ft.

(I'd love Mike to update his 109F/G models to FSX native too).

Cheers

Paul

[Cees Donker]

A B-1 or a D-1, with the Jumo engine....

:biggrin-new:

Cees

[michaelvader]

Hallo Cees,

there was once a Bf-109D done by Corrado la Posta with a specific panel done by me.
I was done for CFS2 - but should also fly in FS9.
It is at flightsim.com - i4109d26.zip
It is old ! It is from 10-11-2001

Yours
Papi

[mikezola]

Greetings-
I would have to agree that a 109B/C/D would be nice, or even a package that covered some of the prototypes and early marks...
To Bradburger's question about why all the hate for the Buchon... for me, it's pure aesthetics... that upright v12 nose on that airframe just isn't right somehow... for example, the transplanted Jumo engine on the Avia fighters doesn't look as out of place...
But, hey- the Buchon couldn't have been that bad... look at how long Spain kept them in service!
Saludos! - Mike Z.

[michaelvader]

Hallo,
in french one say "colors and likings can not to be discused"
So the estethic of a buchon hmmm
Perhaps in flightsim it is not very much liked due to it's critical behavior as real bird.
Very much non sense was written on the 109, all based on the behavior of the Buchon, without respecting why things was as they was.
At first the spanish license builder of the 109 had to find a replacement for the original DB 605 engine.
This engine had clockwise rotation.
As replacement they tryed to fit the Hispano-Suizza engine,
this engine turen counter clockwise.
So the spanish changed the vertical tail and rudder profile to match the oposite rotation of the engine.
later they adopted the Merlin engine, this one turned as same as the DB605 clockwise
But they did not change the vertical tail rudder profile
So the airflow at the end of the plane was completly wrong.
You can imagine that in start or landing situation this causes some trouble.
This lead to make the reputation of the 109 much more bad as the original was.
The 109 was certainly not an easy bird, more as said Adolf Galland as a race horse which needed to be respected

Yours Papi

[Cees Donker]

Hallo Cees,

there was once a Bf-109D done by Corrado la Posta with a specific panel done by me.
I was done for CFS2 - but should also fly in FS9.
It is at flightsim.com - i4109d26.zip
It is old ! It is from 10-11-2001

Yours
Papi

I know Papi, I flew that one in the sim!

:applause:

Cees

[Bjoern]

Where is this Bjoern?

Messerschmitt-Museum. Got a pretty exclusive tour of it (it wasn't long enough and I wasn't allowed to sit in a cut off Bf-109 cockpit section though).
All aircraft shown except the model hanging from the ceiling and the HA-300 next to it are (or will be) flyable. Saw the HA-200 (not shown) fly in the area once in a while throughout the summer. The Me-163 apparently flew once as a glider and the 109 and 262 are familiar faces to airshow attendees. The 108 has been stripped down to the fuselage and is undergoing major restauration.

As to why I got the tour in the first place...well, it's classified. :biggrin-new:




I've never understood the dislike, disgust, and general distaste shown by many for it. :running:

Have you SEEN that thing? The 109G wasn't the most beautiful pick of the litter with its fixed tail wheel, bulges and old canopy until the G-6/AS and G-14, but CASA totally raped what little beauty the airframe had left with those bloody ugly box of an engine and the flimsy prop to go with it. If it's got to be a non-DB60x version, give me the "Mule" (S-99) any day over this aesthetical atrocity!


P.S:
The Spaniards only kept them that long because the country was politically isolated until the late 50s.

[Naismith]

A B-1 or a D-1, with the Jumo engine....

:biggrin-new:

Cees

I'm sure you must be aware A.F.Scrub did a B and D messerschmitt_bf109b-d.zip which looks nice (I'm no Bf expert) flies OK buy very twitchy on the ground. I neutered the rudder to stop it falling over. It's from 2012 and would benefit from a makeover from some clever person.

I have't read evry word of this thread so if I missed mention of it I apologise,

[Cees Donker]

I'm sure you must be aware A.F.Scrub did a B and D messerschmitt_bf109b-d.zip which looks nice (I'm no Bf expert) flies OK buy very twitchy on the ground. I neutered the rudder to stop it falling over. It's from 2012 and would benefit from a makeover from some clever person.

I have't read evry word of this thread so if I missed mention of it I apologise,

Thanks for the suggestion. But would you classify these as 'state of the art' addons?

I don't think I've kept a plane from A.F Scrub beyond the first flight.


I don't bother to even look nowadays.

Cees

[gastonj]

Thanks for the suggestion. But would you classify these as 'state of the art' addons?

I don't think I've kept a plane from A.F Scrub beyond the first flight.


I don't bother to even look nowadays.

Cees

Oops! AF scrub will be happy to read that.

JMC

[Bomber_12th]

It may seem funny, but I've always wanted a quality Buchon in FS2004/FSX as well. Perhaps simply for the fact that for a while they were/have been the most flown/active example of the Bf-109 family.

The Messerschmitt Foundation/Museum (EADS/Airbus Group sponsored) in Germany, which Bjoern posted photos from, owns three Bf-109G's, all of which were converted from Buchons with DB 605 powerplants - these being the "Bf-109G-4" D-FWME, the "Bf-109G-6" D-FMBB, and the "Bf-109G-10" D-FDME (as seen in Bjoern's first photo). Unfortunately none of them are currently flying, since they are all down for repairs and/or major servicing at this time. The last time D-FMBB flew was way back in 2007 (if I recall correctly, it suffered a ground loop that year) and has been reported to be undergoing restoration/extensive overhaul ever since. The last time D-FDME flew was way back in 2008, when it suffered a ground loop - the aircraft has been repaired and repainted, but last I've heard work is still being done on the engine. D-FWME, perhaps one of the unluckiest aircraft, was involved in a takeoff accident last year and has been undergoing airframe repairs, engine overhaul, etc. (this marked the fourth accident this aircraft has been involved in since just 2005, requiring airframe repairs/restoration/engine repairs/new props, etc., each time).

There is a converted Buchon that has been actively flying in Germany over the past couple years, owned by the Air Fighter Academy/Hangar10, registered D-FMGZ, which was converted as a Bf-109G-12 (two-seater). The aircraft was rebuilt with the ability to swap in/out the QEC section (everything firewall-forward), so within a reasonable amount of time, the aircraft can be fitted and flown with either a DB 605 engine with original cowls, or the Merlin engine with Buchon cowls. The Air Fighter Academy/Hangar10 also owns a registered and airworthy Bf-109G-6 (all new build, based on original identity), fitted with a DB 605. Although it has been test run and taxied on a number of occasions, it has yet to be flown. Within the past year, the Air Fighter Academy/Hangar10 also purchased the stock Buchon G-AWHE, which had previously been very active in England (based at Duxford and Humberside, and painted in tan desert markings). I believe the rumor I heard was that this aircraft will get a DB 605 engine and Bf-109G cowls - but perhaps receive the same type of firewall-area modifications as D-FMGZ, so that a DB 605 or Merlin QEC could be installed/swapped on the aircraft at any given time, depending on what the owner desires.

Also in Germany, the restored/airworthy Bf-109E WkNr.1984 had its first engine runs/taxi tests this past summer. I'm not sure if it has flown yet. This one I believe is the third and final Bf-109E that was restored by Craig Charleston (all but the wings, which were rebuilt by another company), and is regarded as perhaps the finest.

In England, the Buchon G-AWHK, operated in conjunction with Historic Flying Ltd. and ARCo, based at Duxford, is flown often and routinely each year. The Bf-109E G-CIPB, in the care of the Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar (for a different owner), finally had its first test flight (since 2010) earlier this year, but they are still working out some squawks. Also in England, Air Leasing is very close to flight-testing the two-seat Buchon G-AWHC (it will be the first to fly of the Buchons sold by Connie Edwards a couple years ago).

In the US, the Flying Heritage & Combat Armor Museum's Bf-109E (N342FH) flies several times each year. The Military Aviation Museum, based in Virginia Beach, owns/operates a converted Buchon powered by a DB 605, registered under the identity of an original Bf-109G-4 (N109GY). The Erickson Aircraft Collection owns/operates an Allison-powered Buchon (N90602), that was converted to look, outwardly (and in the cockpit), as only that of a stock Bf-109G-10, and it really pulls it off - they did such a superb job with it, and it is such an innovative accomplishment, that it is perhaps my favorite of all of the "109's" flying today.

Many more than this - Buchons and genuine original Bf-109's - are under restoration to fly, in both Europe and the US.

[TuFun]

Interesting about the Buchon. Ronnie was working on one over at Military-Meshes on a Buchon nose for a 3d printer.

This kit will allow conversion of a 1/32 Hasegawa Messerschmitt Bf 109 G kit into an accurate Buchon.

http://www.digitalaviationart.com/forums/Buchon/Buchon_wip02a.jpg

http://www.digitalaviationart.com/forums/Buchon/Buchon_wip02e.jpg

http://www.digitalaviationart.com/forums/Buchon/Buchon_wip02c_wire.jpg

http://www.military-meshes.com/forum/showthread.php?7624-Buchon-1-32-conversion-kit-design

[Fishbed]

Also in England, Air Leasing is very close to flight-testing the two-seat Buchon G-AWHC (it will be the first to fly of the Buchons sold by Connie Edwards a couple years ago).



She's alive:applause:

[mikezola]

Greetings to all...
Tell you what though... as much as I don't really care for the look of the Buchon, I really don't mind its immediate predecessor, the HA-1112 K1L 'Tripala', which got the Hispano engine. To me, it's a better fit to the Bf-109's airframe...
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55995&stc=1
I guess this variant starred in a movie called Der Stern von Afrika about Hans-Joachim Marseille...

-Mike Z.

[Pips]

I've always considered the 'E' model to be the best looking of the Bf109 range. :)

[Cees Donker]

I've always considered the 'E' model to be the best looking of the Bf109 range. :)
Oh yes, a state of the art 109e would be an immediate buy for me.

:pop4:

Cees

[Bjoern]

she's alive:applause:

My eyes! My eyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!