Flying the Hump and c47 repaints

[avedis]

Hi all,

First post here hope im in right forum section.

having the superb c47 i started geting interested in cbi etc,question is was there a specific paint for these aicraft,

thanks to all you guys who provide all the excellent goodies on S.O.H,

Richard Druce.

[BendyFlyer]

Yep, there are a couple. Jankees has done a couple of the C-47's that flew the hump (JK RAAF FD-D) and Jeansy has as well ( An Aussie C-47 I think). So the ones I have and use are (and I have used while I have been doing some hump flying):

The JK-RAAF FD-D (This is a representative paint of the allied C-47 colour scheme used in the CBI theatre.
JK 1st ACG
Canucks Unlimited Burma Star

Not sure about US or RAF paints for this theatre of operations in WW2 but basically any of the olive drab for the USAF would do but I am not sure if there have been any other specialised paints for the C-47 used in this theatre. There are a few about for the C-46 as well. As for the C-54 I am content with the basic olive drab repaint. The HUMP Scenery CBIX is well worth installing and gives you the navaids and airfields and some great route charts from the period. I have not found a repaint or a picture of General Stillwell's American C-47 which would have been nice, because he shuttled back and forth in a C-47 through out the early days between China and India and all points in between almost weekly sometimes. I am currently away and cannot access my storage drive where I keep all the HUMP stuff etc. But will check again in a few days.

[avedis]

Thanks for information ,i cant seem to find the jk RAAF FD-D paint in the library i am using fsx,

I have the cibix scenery etc and the excelent c47 from the Jan visser team i will keep searching for the repaint,

and get organised to fly the hump,have just started reading Otha C. Spencers book very interesting.

Richard.

[AussieMan]

JK and Jeansy only upload to the OZx site http://aussiex.org/forum/.

[BendyFlyer]

Thanks for information ,i cant seem to find the jk RAAF FD-D paint in the library i am using fsx,

I have the cibix scenery etc and the excelent c47 from the Jan visser team i will keep searching for the repaint,

and get organised to fly the hump,have just started reading Otha C. Spencers book very interesting.

Richard.

There are a couple of the aerodromes in CBIX which are out on their lat and long but some of the scenery and other stuff put in is a real treat and adds to the experience. If you can find the book I highly recommend " The Burma Campaign" by Frank McLynn, Vintage Books 2011. Very well researched and gives you a behind the scenes look at the cluster that was the CBI campaign, you pick up a lot of detail about hump flights and the use of air transport in that theatre just from the story. Basically they could not run that campaign against the Japanese Army any other way.

I think the mesh-global scenery for that area does need improvement but given it is a project not unlike ORBX's Pacific Northwest, lots of mountains etc. I am chasing LC an Meshes that may improve it but so far not much, trouble is you have a part of the world that is unknown and not given much attention in the sim world, the Himalayan Mountain ranges, Burma and Western China. REX weather does a good job of loading the real weather and it can be well - diabolical. Have fun.

As far as I am concerned you have not pushed or appreciated the flight sim experience until you do HUMP flights in the C-47. A must for any serious simmer and C-47/DC-3 affecionado. It is why having a first class rendition of the C-47 via Jahn and the Visser Team has really made this one great.

[jankees]

Here's a few:
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4992-manfred-jahns-douglas-c-47-raaf-34-sqn-fd-d/
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4956-manfred-jahns-douglas-c-47-v2-angel-wings-cbi/
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4441-manfred-jahns-douglas-c-47-v2-1st-air-commando-group/
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4219-manfred-jahns-douglas-c-47-v2-assam-air-lines/

and should you want more, just let me know

[avedis]

Thank you all for your help,i am no expert and as the milage goes up it gets more difficult so its great to have your assistence thank you.

Bendyflyer i have ordered the book thanks.

jankees thanks very much for the repaint links, do these need any help installing them in the latest jan visser team c47,

again thanks gents.

Richard.

[jankees]

I'm not sure, these are for version 2, but they probably work for V3 as well

[ncooper]

Hello,
They work with V3, you need only change this line in the aircraft.cfg entry.
Sim = Douglas_DC3_V1.5
I see in the one I tried, the thumbnail.jpg is named th.jpg and will need to be renamed to thumbnail.jpg
to see its picture in the aircraft menu.

[avedis]

Thanks to all,
repaints installed all working perfect, repaints are superb!!
so off to fly the hump!!!! and learn the c47 at the same time!
i will be busy.

Thanks again,

Richard.

[BendyFlyer]

Here's a few:
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4992-manfred-jahns-douglas-c-47-raaf-34-sqn-fd-d/
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4956-manfred-jahns-douglas-c-47-v2-angel-wings-cbi/
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4441-manfred-jahns-douglas-c-47-v2-1st-air-commando-group/
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4219-manfred-jahns-douglas-c-47-v2-assam-air-lines/

and should you want more, just let me know

I have these, great paints.

I am chasing down pictures of General (Vinegar Joe) Stillwell's C-47 if I find a good one that would be a must for me. Stillwell did some serious mileage in the C-47 over the Hump and in the CBI theatre. Given Stillwells character it was probably a standard coloured transport with no trimmings at all. All I have is a picture of the tail with the number 2100611 and it looks like it was plain aluminium with the US insignia right at the end of the fuselage. This is interesting because a serial number beginning with 21 would indicate an American military aircraft of the 1920-1930 period, so it is very different to the usual numbering for US military aircraft so Stillwell's number actually may be a personalised number based on his graduation from West Point perhaps. Anyway I digress.

[jankees]

Actually, 2100611 stands for 42-100611. The first digit is never included in the tail number.

I think Stillwell's C-47 was called uncle Joe's chariot. I have a picture of the noseart, but not the serial.

edit:
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/FFDXN6/stilwell-plane-c1943-nemmit-j-ty-theisen-waving-from-the-cockpit-of-FFDXN6.jpg

that sure looks like 42-100611, doesn't it? But this is in OD, while this one:
https://oldsaltbooks.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/lemay001.jpg
looks more like bare metal. Same serial though, so maybe they stripped the paint later.
It's even been to Brussels! : http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Air-Force/Douglas-VC-47A-Skytrain-(DC-3)/2102709

and to Senegal: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UIclUja48Y4/S4KulL424TI/AAAAAAAAHQs/fn4JRBDVXKw/s1600-h/C47+6W-SAF+611.jpg
and France as F-GEFU: http://s30.photobucket.com/user/skytrain_c47/media/DC-3s/F-GEFU_01.jpg.html, in the end they cut it to pieces,
but the cockpit still exists, in the UK, where it was used for Band of Brothers: http://www.wingsmuseum.co.uk/douglas_c_47.htm

I'll see what I can do this weekend...

[BendyFlyer]

Interesting Jan. Thanks for the tip about serial numbers did not know they did this. Your right there one is in camouflage and the other polished metal, my hunch is it started in olive then was probably stripped on a major overhaul and left at aluminium. The tail shot is of Vinegar Joe with Chennault who he thought was an idiot. No rush but this will be an interesting paint.

[jankees]

Isn't that Curtis LeMay?

[roger-wilco-66]

Isn't that Curtis LeMay?

Indeed, that's Stillwell to the left with LeMay!

[BendyFlyer]

Indeed, my error, it is Le May, this was taken in 1944 when Le May introducing the B-29's into China to target Japan.

[jankees]

here's my first attempt at Uncle Joe's Chariot:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/C-47/jk951.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/C-47/jk951.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/C-47/jk952.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/C-47/jk952.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/C-47/jk957.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/C-47/jk957.jpg.html)

[wombat666]

Isn't that Curtis LeMay?

Good old 'Bomb Them Back to the Stone Age' Le May.
:dizzy:

[jankees]

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/C-47/jk973.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/C-47/jk973.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/C-47/jk989.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/C-47/jk989.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/C-47/jk990.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/C-47/jk990.jpg.html)

try it for yourself: http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/6049-manfred-jahns-c-47-usaaf-cbi-uncle-joes-chariot/

[jankees]

I couldn't resist this of course, same aircraft, but now based in Brussels during the 1950's, over my town, with Brussels in the background:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/C-47/jk1015.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/C-47/jk1015.jpg.html)

I can just see my house at the bottom of the picture..

[SSI01]

Indeed, my error, it is Le May, this was taken in 1944 when Le May introducing the B-29's into China to target Japan.

Stilwell died soon after the war of stomach cancer. Given his personality it seemed apt, he was known to be a straightforward speaker and if you wanted his opinion on something, you got it plain and unvarnished, and with the bark on. His handle was "Vinegar Joe." Note the guy in the background walking around with a campaign hat on, strap around his jaw. Must be a staff officer of Stilwell's. That cover went out of style early in WWII, Stilwell was the only major commander I'm aware of who used it as regular headgear. Stilwell and Chennault could not stand each other, which was a pity since both were highly independent.

The film "Merrill's Marauders," with Jeff Chandler, is an excellent record of the American experience in Burma. An actor portraying Stilwell - and closely resembling him, too - makes a brief appearance in the film.

I almost forgot - the film "1941" has Robert Stack portraying Stilwell - way, way out of character but it's fun to watch how Stack plays the part.

is that Phil Cochran waving out of the pilot's window in Stilwell's bird?

[BendyFlyer]

Nice job on Joes Chariot Jan, thanks a lot, proudly joins my C-47 fleet and will now get a workout doing the shuttle between China and India and further west. Amazing that aircraft survived for so long and at least the cockpit section still remains.

[BendyFlyer]

Stilwell died soon after the war of stomach cancer. Given his personality it seemed apt, he was known to be a straightforward speaker and if you wanted his opinion on something, you got it plain and unvarnished, and with the bark on. His handle was "Vinegar Joe." Note the guy in the background walking around with a campaign hat on, strap around his jaw. Must be a staff officer of Stilwell's. That cover went out of style early in WWII, Stilwell was the only major commander I'm aware of who used it as regular headgear. Stilwell and Chennault could not stand each other, which was a pity since both were highly independent.

The film "Merrill's Marauders," with Jeff Chandler, is an excellent record of the American experience in Burma. An actor portraying Stilwell - and closely resembling him, too - makes a brief appearance in the film.

I almost forgot - the film "1941" has Robert Stack portraying Stilwell - way, way out of character but it's fun to watch how Stack plays the part.

is that Phil Cochran waving out of the pilot's window in Stilwell's bird?

Looks like Cochran. Thought Cochran was a P-40 pilot. Hard to know what to make of Stilwell he was volunteered for the CBI campaign by Arnold and was caught between a rock and hard place (The British and Corrupt Chinese). Did a foot march out of Burma back to India with the troops and probably flew along the hump routes as frequently as some of the crews. He was frustrated at every turn and asked to manage a vipers pit of contrary allies in some of the most inhospitable country in the world, the Himalayas and the Burmese jungle.

If I recall there was another film called the 'Purple Plain' set in Burma in WW2 with Gregory Peck (?) about a RFCAF Mosquito pilot forced down in the jungle after and engine fire. Guess I will have to get the JF Mossie and have a go at that as well.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48565&stc=1

[SSI01]

You know, you're right and I remember seeing that film with Peck. Can't remember who the romantic interest was, though. Kind of an out-of-the-way place to find an RCAF guy but they got around, too.

Re: Stilwell, Marshall is supposed to have said he purposely gave the assignments he did to Stilwell, knowing his temperament would ensure the job would get done regardless. There were very very few American troops under his command and he pushed them hard - some would say without mercy. The history I read said just about the only way off the line for Americans in his command was to be invalided out, be wounded, or die. He used up his Americans and kept them up front until they were practically wiped out. Dearth of resources, I suppose. His reputation sure suffered, though.

[menef]

Sorry mates, I'm not English, so what's the meaning of Flying the Hump?:mixed-smiley-010:

[simondix]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hump


Hope this helps.

[menef]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hump


Hope this helps.

Yes, it did it thank you:very_drunk:

[BendyFlyer]

You know, you're right and I remember seeing that film with Peck. Can't remember who the romantic interest was, though. Kind of an out-of-the-way place to find an RCAF guy but they got around, too.

Re: Stilwell, Marshall is supposed to have said he purposely gave the assignments he did to Stilwell, knowing his temperament would ensure the job would get done regardless. There were very very few American troops under his command and he pushed them hard - some would say without mercy. The history I read said just about the only way off the line for Americans in his command was to be invalided out, be wounded, or die. He used up his Americans and kept them up front until they were practically wiped out. Dearth of resources, I suppose. His reputation sure suffered, though.

Yep, bastard of a theatre for everyone as far as I can tell. I had a late uncle flew Spitfires in the RAAF out of Burma, got a few and a DFC but he had nothing much to talk (too many painful memories I think) about other than it sure aged young guys prematurely and living conditions were primitive and harsh. He used to tell me about flying the Spit, he loved flying that aeroplane although he said it would bite hard in combat and snap into a full spin on you if you were too reckless, did some time on Boomerangs too (hated them said they were hopeless fuselage blanketed the rudder in a turn at low speed). Told me though they met their match when they came up against Focke-Wolfs 190's in Europe later. He thought they were a pretty classy aeroplane. Not too many kind words about the Poms (Limeys) either. But the Hump sure wasted a lot of crews and aeroplanes.

Tough area to fly, like out of Kunming, your already at 6000 ft elevation at takeoff and the old C-47 sure struggles with a load from there on.

[J.M.CASTILLA]

Hello,
They work with V3, you need only change this line in the aircraft.cfg entry.
Sim = Douglas_DC3_V1.5
I see in the one I tried, the thumbnail.jpg is named th.jpg and will need to be renamed to thumbnail.jpg
to see its picture in the aircraft menu.
You can also edit in the aircraft.cfg
A new line ui_thumbnail= ****.jpg
And place the image in the main folder of the plane